This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Carmichael/Ingram Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RSB.2ACE/601.1.1 Message Board Post: Tammy, You can find info on Mary, D/o Duncan Carmichael Jr, at my home page (take the link to John's Family History): home.earthlink.net/~proudscot . I can't help you with Vatchel except that he did marry Mary and died a few years later.