This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Stillwell, Stilwell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5UB.2ACI/2694.1 Message Board Post: Middleton Stilwell is in the Burke County census for 1850. He lived in the George Hildebran area. In 1850 he is listed as 44 years old. His wife Delila is 37. Children include Ludlow? 17, Essex 15, Mary13, Minerva 6, Louis 4, and Pinkney 3 months. Middleton is a farmer, born in NC. Delilah is born in South Carolina. They are listed in the 1860 census as 56 and 53 years of age. They are listed again in 1870 and 1880. In 1860 the family is listed as white. In 1880, Delilah is listed as a mulatto as are her children and grandchildren.

Hi Larkin, 1. The names of the veterans are engraved in the bottom of the Conferedarte monument at the court house. I took some photos when I was up there a couple of years ago. 2. and 3. So far as I've ever searched, Forest Hills and Oak Grove cemeteries are not on line but I believe both are probably published in the cemetery books that the Burke Co. Genealogical Society prepared. Perhaps a kind soul who has access to them will do a look up for you. Audrey Orlando, FL In a message dated 02/23/2004 6:00:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 19:43:31 -0500 From: "Larkin Dellinger" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: [NCBurke] Burke County Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got some questions that maybe some one would have the answers. 1. Is there a list of the veterans listed on the Cofederate Monument there at the court house. If so, where? 2. Is there a list on the internet of the cemetery of Oak Grove Baptist (or Methodist) Church up the road from South Mountain Institute? 3. Is there a listing on the internet for the Forest Hills Cemetery there in Morganton.

Got some questions that maybe some one would have the answers. 1. Is there a list of the veterans listed on the Cofederate Monument there at the court house. If so, where? 2. Is there a list on the internet of the cemetery of Oak Grove Baptist (or Methodist) Church up the road from South Mountain Institute? 3. Is there a listing on the internet for the Forest Hills Cemetery there in Morganton.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5UB.2ACI/2701 Message Board Post: DNA tests needed on male SELLERS from BURKE and CHATHAM CO, NC and their male descendants. http://showcase.netins.net/web/sellers2/sellers_dna.htm Use this link to join the project and purchase your DNA test. http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=B24965 Thank You for helping. marie, iowa [email protected]

Your right about the migrations. Many of the families came from Virginia into the Carolinas near the end of the Revolutionary War. Then the first wave went the northern route and the second wave went the southern route. Then came the next wave. At least in several of my families. The Georgia families migrated into Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma and Texas. And the Northern branches came to Georgia, etc. and settled. and many joined their cousins in the westward movement all the way to the Pacific ocean. Leota ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [NCBurke] Migration to Georgia > Yes, you do find a large group of related family lines who are connected to > those families in old Burke and Rutherford Co., NC migrated to many of the > northern Georgia counties, Rabun, Towns, Gilmer, Murray, Union, Habersham, White, > etc. > > While there are several reasons for these migrations, as you pointed out, the > land lotteries, discovery of gold, removal of the Cherokee in 1835 to > Oklahoma, along with population growth, economics, there were a few other reasons > which don't get as much historical mention, which appears to have been part of > the motivation. > > This movement began prior to 1830, when you find the first large group of > these same families moving into Haywood (the area which became Macon in 1828). > You have to take into context that in 1791 Buncombe Co., NC was formed from old > Rutherford and part of old Burke Co., NC and covered the whole of what is > today western North Carolina. Subsequently this area formed several other > western counties, which is the area that abuts North Georgia, and east Tennessee. > When Macon Co., NC was formed in 1828 from old Haywood, it was the only county > on this western tip of the state - Cherokee wasn't formed until 1839, Jackson > 1851, Clay and Transylvania 1861. > > Without getting into the migration movement from old Burke and Rutherford > into Buncombe (and the lands contained in the mentioned later counties) of these > connecting families, which was the first wave, with some migration into east > Tennessee, KY, Indiana, and Missouri, the second wave of serial migration is > the one that produced the movement in north Georgia. You find a concentration > of these families first in old Macon Co., NC by 1828 (Haywood prior) with Macon > serving as the funnel for the move into those north Georgia counties. It is > the typical serial migration pattern with related families, and with this group > in western NC, one strong reason was the spread of religion. > > While the two primary groups of settlers to early Burke and Rutherford Co., > NC were the Scotch-Irish Presbyterians and the German speaking Lutherans, the > Baptist message was being spread with intensity and the religion took a strong > hold in the western region of NC. One of the more charismatic Baptist > preachers who gained a strong following was the Rev. Humphrey Posey. He had moved into > the area of Rutherford Co., NC by 1789 (the portion of the county which later > became McDowell). > > In October of 1817 the Baptist Board of North Carolina sent Rev. Posey to the > Cherokee area of Valley Town to establish a mission to minister to the > Cherokee. A large group of Rev. Humphrey Posey's followers in Burke and Rutherford > accompanied him to begin the missions of spreading the Baptist faith. By > 1825, the Methodist, had also began to move into the same area with their mission > message. The Baptist and Methodist had developed a strong rivalry in the > attempt to gain converts, although the Baptist continued to be the prominent > messenger. > > When you start unraveling the familial connections between those in those > north Georgia counties and old Burke and Rutherford Co., NC, the impact of the > connections becomes very pronounced. You find them buried in hundreds of little > Baptist, along with a few Methodist and other competing religions, graveyards > all through those north Georgia counties. The names inscribed on tombstones, > on land deeds, written on censuses. Names of Erwin, McDowell, Mashburn, > Garrett, Morgan, Stroud, Hall, Chastain, Burrell, McClure, Cathey, Ownbey, Kimsey, > Souther, Noblett, Sellers, Hensley, Jones, Smith, Pendergrass, Painter, > Helderman, Raburn, Plott, Burnett, Corn, Carter to name a few. As time progressed, > with letters home and visits back and forth, nephews, nieces, cousins, and > neighbors packed up and moved also. > > You later find these same families making progressive serial moves. Some into > the adjacent upper Alabama counties which abuts the area in northern Georgia. > About 1835 there was a smaller migration of these same connecting family > groups into the eastern counties of the Republic of Texas. Around the mid 1840s > there was another mini migration to the counties around Yell and Van Buren Co., > AR. Later you find some of these families who had migrated from western NC > into GA, Alabama, Mississippi, and Arkansas, then move to join their relatives > and neighbors who had established themselves in Texas. > > I find these migrations fascinating. > > > > ==== NCBURKE Mailing List ==== > NCBURKE-L [Co., NC] Mailing List - Sharing information on Historic Burke Co., NC > For further info, see http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncburke/ > Our thanks to RootsWeb.com for hosting this list and web page >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5UB.2ACI/2656.3.1 Message Board Post: Ted, I looked in all 3 volumes of the cemetery books for McDowell County, and the surname you have inquired about is not listed. I check all three spellings. Wish I could have been more helpful. Good luck in your research. Anita

Yes, you do find a large group of related family lines who are connected to those families in old Burke and Rutherford Co., NC migrated to many of the northern Georgia counties, Rabun, Towns, Gilmer, Murray, Union, Habersham, White, etc. While there are several reasons for these migrations, as you pointed out, the land lotteries, discovery of gold, removal of the Cherokee in 1835 to Oklahoma, along with population growth, economics, there were a few other reasons which don't get as much historical mention, which appears to have been part of the motivation. This movement began prior to 1830, when you find the first large group of these same families moving into Haywood (the area which became Macon in 1828). You have to take into context that in 1791 Buncombe Co., NC was formed from old Rutherford and part of old Burke Co., NC and covered the whole of what is today western North Carolina. Subsequently this area formed several other western counties, which is the area that abuts North Georgia, and east Tennessee. When Macon Co., NC was formed in 1828 from old Haywood, it was the only county on this western tip of the state - Cherokee wasn't formed until 1839, Jackson 1851, Clay and Transylvania 1861. Without getting into the migration movement from old Burke and Rutherford into Buncombe (and the lands contained in the mentioned later counties) of these connecting families, which was the first wave, with some migration into east Tennessee, KY, Indiana, and Missouri, the second wave of serial migration is the one that produced the movement in north Georgia. You find a concentration of these families first in old Macon Co., NC by 1828 (Haywood prior) with Macon serving as the funnel for the move into those north Georgia counties. It is the typical serial migration pattern with related families, and with this group in western NC, one strong reason was the spread of religion. While the two primary groups of settlers to early Burke and Rutherford Co., NC were the Scotch-Irish Presbyterians and the German speaking Lutherans, the Baptist message was being spread with intensity and the religion took a strong hold in the western region of NC. One of the more charismatic Baptist preachers who gained a strong following was the Rev. Humphrey Posey. He had moved into the area of Rutherford Co., NC by 1789 (the portion of the county which later became McDowell). In October of 1817 the Baptist Board of North Carolina sent Rev. Posey to the Cherokee area of Valley Town to establish a mission to minister to the Cherokee. A large group of Rev. Humphrey Posey's followers in Burke and Rutherford accompanied him to begin the missions of spreading the Baptist faith. By 1825, the Methodist, had also began to move into the same area with their mission message. The Baptist and Methodist had developed a strong rivalry in the attempt to gain converts, although the Baptist continued to be the prominent messenger. When you start unraveling the familial connections between those in those north Georgia counties and old Burke and Rutherford Co., NC, the impact of the connections becomes very pronounced. You find them buried in hundreds of little Baptist, along with a few Methodist and other competing religions, graveyards all through those north Georgia counties. The names inscribed on tombstones, on land deeds, written on censuses. Names of Erwin, McDowell, Mashburn, Garrett, Morgan, Stroud, Hall, Chastain, Burrell, McClure, Cathey, Ownbey, Kimsey, Souther, Noblett, Sellers, Hensley, Jones, Smith, Pendergrass, Painter, Helderman, Raburn, Plott, Burnett, Corn, Carter to name a few. As time progressed, with letters home and visits back and forth, nephews, nieces, cousins, and neighbors packed up and moved also. You later find these same families making progressive serial moves. Some into the adjacent upper Alabama counties which abuts the area in northern Georgia. About 1835 there was a smaller migration of these same connecting family groups into the eastern counties of the Republic of Texas. Around the mid 1840s there was another mini migration to the counties around Yell and Van Buren Co., AR. Later you find some of these families who had migrated from western NC into GA, Alabama, Mississippi, and Arkansas, then move to join their relatives and neighbors who had established themselves in Texas. I find these migrations fascinating.

Just an observation, although I'm certainly no expert on this matter. Some of the Burke Countians who settled in GA may have been fallout from migrations to points farther west. My ancestors, for instance, travelled from western NC (Burke, Haywood) through GA on their way to Wright Co., MO. They stayed long enough in Habersham Co., GA to appear on the 1850 census and for my gr-grandfather to be born there in 1851. I suspect this southern route to the west was to avoid having to travel over the mountains. Ruth Ann Researching Craig, Connolly, Mingus, Stillwell in western NC In a message dated 2/20/2004 10:16:48 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Fellow researchers and Carolinian kinsmen, I've been researching branches of my family tree and it appears that there was a lot of migration from Burke County and the surrounding counties to Northern Georgia. In particular, two Georgia counties (Habersham and White) seem to be full of Burke County emigrants who relocated between 1830 and 1860.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5UB.2ACI/2656.3 Message Board Post: If you could...please have a quick look for the surname Francum (Frankum/Francom). We had kin in McDowell Co. Thank you;-)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Frankum Francum Francom Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5UB.2ACI/2700 Message Board Post: Fellow researchers and Carolinian kinsmen, I've been researching branches of my family tree and it appears that there was a lot of migration from Burke County and the surrounding counties to Northern Georgia. In particular, two Georgia counties (Habersham and White) seem to be full of Burke County emigrants who relocated between 1830 and 1860. I've looked on a several old maps to determine the fluctuating county lines but the counties in NC and GA aren't next to each other so I'm wondering why there was an exodus. Has anyone else noticed this? One reason may have been Pres. Jackson kicking the Cherokee from their lands and there were land lotteries? Also a gold rush? I'd love to learn more about this.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Frankum Francum Francom Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5UB.2ACI/2699 Message Board Post: Has anyone come across this family from Burke County? They are listed on the 1790 Census and some of the following census records. Parts of the family emigrated to White County and Habersham County, Georgia.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5UB.2ACI/2698.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Sounds right. He had 2 daughters Nina and Mary. I will have to see if the Dallas Library has the cemetery books.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Todd, Kincaid Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5UB.2ACI/2698.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Sophia Kincaid is buried in Forest Hill Cemetery in Morganton. If you have access to the Burke County Genealogical Society published cemetery volumes, see Volume III, page 11. The information recorded on Sophia's gravestone is that she was born in 1824 and died in 1894. Her second husband Milton Wilburn Kincaid and his first wife Mary Abigail Bristol are buried in a private Kincaid cemetery in Burke County. You may be interested in knowing what I found on page 13 of Volume III: "Nina Todd, Died 2-14-1880, Age about 24 years, wife of J.L. Todd". Is this the first wife of James Lee Todd? Unfortunately, there is no maiden name given or hinted at.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5UB.2ACI/2698.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Do you know where she is buried? I could not find Wiliiam W. Todd in the fairfield Cemetery. JOhn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Todd, Kincaid Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5UB.2ACI/2698.1.1.1 Message Board Post: In response to the last part of your message, there must be something wrong with the birth date for William A. Todd. I have a birth date for him of 1842. A birth date of 1833 would have meant that Sophia was only about 9 when he was born. Your message shows her birth date as 1824 and I have a date of 1823.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5UB.2ACI/2620.1 Message Board Post: I am from this line, thru his son William Hamil, my ggrandfather, I would like to here from you about you side of the family. As for Samuel, he was Absolum' brother. Their father was William, brother to Peter G. Sons of John, Sr. I have most of the family begining from England. Will share with you but I would like to know how you are connected to Absolum and Anna Lloyd. Write me and let me know.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5UB.2ACI/1172.1694.2 Message Board Post: Hello V. Barber, If you are still out there. I am sure you are referencing the John and Martha Rutherford Corpening family. I have extensive information on that family and can put you in touch with living descendants if you are interested.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5UB.2ACI/1172.1694.1 Message Board Post: Hello V. Barber, If you are still out there. I am sure you are referencing the John and Martha Rutherford Corpening family. I have extensive information on that family and can put you in touch with living descendants if you are interested.

Dear Listers, Would you forward the following letter to any Fincher or Fincher descendants you might know of. At one time or another Finchers lived in your county, hopefully some still do. We really appreciate your help, Joy Fincher Atkinson Dear Finchers, We are at a brick wall in our Fincher Family Tree research. We can go back no farther than 1812 in our line, and I think a good many of you are having the same problem. It is generally thought that most Finchers in America are related but the proof is either lost, destroyed or just plain never existed. Recently, we found out about a new tool to determine whether or not we are related. Genealogy by genetics (DNA) is being used by many family organizations to determine kinship. It is now possible to determine how far back you have to go in order to find your most recent common ancestor. Armed with this knowledge, we have established a Fincher family DNA project with Family Tree DNA. A company that specializes in the use of DNA for genealogical research. The purpose of this project is to connect the different Fincher lines. We hope to break through the brick walls and establish the connection between the various branches of the Fincher family. Since there is documentation to connect certain lines to the original immigrant, Francis Fincher, we hope that DNA will connect other lines to him as well. The test is simple and painless. Your genetic test kit consists of a cheek scraper and a collection tube. In about five minutes, you will be able to read the instructions and perform a painless cheek scraping. The effect of using the scraper is about the same as brushing your cheek with a soft bristle toothbrush. A backup scraper and tube is included to insure that a good sample is obtained by the lab. They intend that you use them both! There are two requirements to participate in the DNA project: (1) you have to be male (because only men carry and pass along the Y-Chromosome) and (2) you have to have the Fincher last name from your father not your mother. Only one male needs to be tested from each Fincher line. Thanks to Ann Fincher's book, FINCHER 300 YEARS IN THE USA, there is now a published genealogy of most of the Fincher branches. In order to save money, you may wish to check with your kin to make sure that two men from the same line are not being tested. Family Tree DNA offers two possible tests, a 12 marker test for $99.00 and a 25 marker test for $169.00. The company suggests starting with the 12 marker test to establish kinship and later upgrading to the 25 marker test to find the most recent common ancestor. Since we suspect that most Finchers are kin, unlike Smiths or Joneses, it is probably more cost effective to order the 25 marker test to begin with. Since it cost $90.00 to upgrade the 12 marker test to the 25 marker test, there is a $20.00 savings to order the 25 marker test initially. If you're already convinced you can order your kit at http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=S79430&special=True If you have questions you can find answers at http://www.familytreedna.com/ or by contacting Joy Fincher Atkinson at [email protected] . Looking forward to working with you, Hugh M. Fincher, III and Joy Fincher Atkinson

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5UB.2ACI/2698.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks. From James Lee Todd I got this: Descendants of Sophia Moore --------------------------- 1-Sophia Moore b. 1824, NC +William W. Todd b. 26 Jun 1819, d. 15 Jan 1854, bur. Fairfield Cemetery, Burke Co., NC, m. 1841 |--2-Mary Ann Todd b. 1847, NC | +Lambert Augustus Bristol b. 1846, Burke Co. NC, par. Benedict Bristol and | Elizabeth McCall | |--3-Mary Lou Bristol b. Apr 1881, Burke Co. NC | |--3-Benedict Bristol b. Jul 1883, Burke Co. NC | |--3-Charles Todd Bristol b. 1886, NC | |--3-Grace M. Bristol b. Dec 1889, Burke Co. NC | |--3-Margaret Bristol b. Apr 1896, Burke Co. NC |--2-James Lee Todd b. 1 Feb 1852, Lenoir, Caldwell County, North Carolina, d. | 7 Oct 1924, Collin County, Texas, bur. Pecan Grove Cemetery, Collin | County, TX | +Unknown Unknown d. 13 Feb 1880 | |--3-Mary Todd b. Aug 1877, NC | |--3-Nina Todd b. Jan 1880, NC | +Mary D. Adams b. 1862, Garrand County, KY, d. 25 Oct 1936, Collin County, | TX, bur. Pecan Grove Cemetery, Collin County, TX, m. 23 Jan 1885, Lebanon, | Collin County, Texas, par. John D. Adams and Elizabeth A. Anderson | |--3-Jack Todd d. 15 Dec 1888, bur. Pecan Grove Cemetery, Collin County, TX |--2-William A. Todd b. 3 May 1833, d. 25 Jul 1862 |--2-Charles S. Todd b. 1848, NC +Rebecca Elizabeth Kincaid b. 1829, NC, m. 16 Dec 1868, Burke Co. NC, par. John Kincaid and Unknown |--3-James Todd b. 1872, NC +Milton Wilburn Kincaid b. 10 Dec 1807, NC, d. 29 May 1868, Burke Co. NC |--2-Luticia Rebecca Kincaid | +Briton |--2-Finley Milton Kincaid Sr. b. Apr 1861, Burke Co. NC | +Alice B. Unknown b. Feb 1863, GA, m. 1883 | |--3-Kate Kincaid b. Nov 1887, GA | |--3-Gussie Kincaid b. Aug 1891, GA | |--3-Finley M. Kincaid Jr. b. Oct 1889, GA | |--3-Alice Kincaid b. Sept 1894, GA | |--3-Emeline Kincaid b. Feb 1884, GA | |--3-Roy R. Kincaid b. Jan 1885, GA |--2-Alonzo Kincaid b. Aug 1865, Burke Co. NC | +Mollie Unknown b. Sept 1867, Arkansas, m. 1886 | |--3-Burt Kincaid b. Aug 1886, TX | |--3-Bessie L. Kincaid b. Feb 1888, TX | |--3-Ade L. Kincaid b. Mar 1890, TX |--2-Sarah Catherine Kincaid b. Dec 1866, NC +William Washington Devault b. 13 Nov 1856, Burke Co., NC, d. 28 Aug 1928, m. 16 Mar 1886, Burke Co. NC |--3-Katherine Devault b. 1896, NC |--3-William R. Devault b. Dec 1886, NC |--3-Ray Edward Devault b. Oct 1890, NC |--3-Annie E. Devault b. Oct 1889, NC On the 1880 census he is listed a Leeroy Todd. Have not been able to located the 1850 census with Rev W.W. todd listed. If Rev Todd and Sophia Moore got married in 1841 it is odd that they a child in 1833 William A. Todd. John