I too talked to Herrin and she was very evasive. I wasted untold numbers of hours searching for the publisher, contacting sellers of old and antique books, libraries, etc. to find a 2nd copy. There are NO other copies. I too offered her whatever she wanted for a photocopy of the "book" and she declined. The copyright has long expired. I do not think there is any information in the data she posted to Ancestry.com that cannot be found on the Bertie site and archived Bertie forum messages. When I started about 2 or 2 1/2 years ago I sent out messages that contained what I though was true about my Holders that I now know is wrong. Her book contains the wrong info. Where else could she have gotten that info? Personal details like brawling, drinking, illicite love links and the like come right from the Church minutes posted on the Bertie site. I believe Herrin violated the copyright held by the Bertie site (rootsweb). I do have to admit when she first came out with her book she had many of us excited, only to disappoint us. Let's say, just for conversational purposes, that the data she posted is mostly accurate --- what right does Ancestry.com have to post information taken right off the Bertie site and forum? We should be able to access it for free. Quite a number of generous people have spent hours, days, weeks of thier time to post that data for the free use of Bertie County researchers. Can you imagine the time invested by Virginia Crilley? If Ancestry.com charges for accessing the data they should at least pay the people who posted it first. Jim Holder