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For those who might need to use a genealogy type calculator without logging on to the Internet, the author of the calculator at http://www.pulpgen.com/gen/calc/ permits the calculator to be saved for personal use. Read his terms of use on the help screen for full details. You also need to save the help file to comply with his request. I just saved both files to a 3.5" floppy disk so that I can use the calculator even on another computer. Seems to work fine for me running right off the floppy. Try it yourself and see if it works. Bill Scott -----Original Message----- From: Billy W. Scott [mailto:billscot@flash.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 12:07 PM To: NCBERTIE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NCBERTIE] On-line genealogy calculator Another on-line calculator that I have found helpful is at http://www.pulpgen.com/gen/calc/ Bill Scott ==== NCBERTIE Mailing List ==== Bertie County Archives page http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nc/bertie.htm Cemeteries, deeds, wills, Bible Records and more. We need your info! Send to me, Virginia Crilley, varcsix@hot.rr.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Brenda and Virginia thanks very much for sharing these formula tips with everyone! Marianne

COUNTY OF BERTIE, AUGUST 9, 1860 POST OFFICE - MARY HILL WM. A. FERGUSON - ENUMERATOR Page 51B (household con't from page 51A) 817 Bazemore, Mariah, 25 Bazemore, William, 3 818 Phelps, Henry, 52, farmer Phelps, Mary, 46 Phelps, Mariah, 15 Phelps, William H., 13 Phelps, Harriet D., 11 819 Phelps, Mary, 46, farmer Phelps, William T., 19 Phelps, Judy C., 19 Phelps, Mary Ann, 16 Phelps, John, 13 Phelps, Tayloe, 11 Phelps, Penelope, 9 Phelps, Avy, 7 820 Winborn, Ben, 47, mulatto, farmer Winborn, Martha, 50, mulatto Winborn, William, 4, mulatto 821 Dempsy, Frances, 55, mulatto, farmer Dempsy, Mariah, 20, mulatto Dempsy, Bettie, 14, mulatto 822 Smithwick, William, 47, farmer Smithwick, Caroline (Allen), 33 Smithwick, Alfred, 21 Smithwick, William, 19 Smithwick, John, 16 Smithwick, Joseph, 11 Smithwick, George (Henry), 10 Blount, Clara, 17 Morris, Abner, 19 Dempsy, Dick, 18, mulatto Dempsy, John, 16, mulatto 823 Britt, (James) Monroe, 40, farmer Britt, Mary Ann, 31 Britt, Thomas, 9 Britt, Margaret, 5 Britt, S. Jonathan, 3 Britt, Franklin, 1 824 Shaw, Sarah, 52, farmer Shaw, Martha, 11 (household con't on page 52A) end of page 51B

Another on-line calculator that I have found helpful is at http://www.pulpgen.com/gen/calc/ Bill Scott

COUNTY OF BERTIE, AUGUST 9, 1860 POST OFFICE - MARY HILL WM. A. FERGUSON - ENUMERATOR Page 51A 811 Gray, Wm., 44, farmer Gray, Elizabeth, 37 Henderson, Emelina, 65 Gray, James, 9 812 Dempsy, Josiah, 45, farmer Dempsy, Justiny, 50 Dempsy, John H., 13 Dempsy, Mary, 12 813 Freeman, James C., 28, farmer Freeman, Margaret C., 21 Freeman, Milly H., 2 Freeman, Isaac R., 1 Redditt, Harriet, 48, farmer Mardre, John W., 18 Collins, Mary, 43 814 Pierce, Richardson, 46, farmer Pierce, Susan, 37 Pierce, Penelope C., 19 Pierce, Elizabeth A., 13 Pierce, Sarah C., 11 Williams, James, 21 815 Cobb, Thomas, 43, farmer Cobb, Sally, 41 Cobb, Jessee B., 19 Cobb, Susan A., 17 Cobb, Mary E., 15 Cobb, George W., 12 816 Cobb, Mounne?, 5, female (probably should be in the above household but this is how it is listed) Phelps, John D., 46, farmer Phelps, Caroline, 36 Phelps, John W., 18 Phelps, Sarah, 16 Phelps, Penelope, 12 Phelps, Harriet, 10 Phelps, William G., 7 Phelps, Mary C, 2 Phelps, Franklin R., 3/12 817 Powell, Martha, 25, farmer Bazemore, Penelope, 65 Bazemore, Harriet A., 30 (household con't on page 51B) end of page 51A

COUNTY OF BERTIE, AUGUST 9, 1860 POST OFFICE - MARY HILL WM. A. FERGUSON - ENUMERATOR Page 50B (household con't from page 50A) 804 Thomas, Jas. H., 4 Thomas, Wm. John, 2 Keeter, Bettie, 20 805 Phelps, Micaja, 44, farmer Phelps, LW, 18, male Phelps, Henry, 16 Phelps, Martha R., 14 Phelps, Ruthy A., 7 Phelps, Silvey, 47 Phelps, Martha A., 32 Phelps, GW, 41, male Phelps, Preston R., 11 Phelps, George A., 1 Page, Martha, 35 806 Askew, Cullen, 54, miller Askew, Lidia, 48 Askew, Levina E., 17 Askew, Esther E. 14 Askew, Henderson W., 12 807 Piland, Isaac, 43, merchant Morris, Jos. B., 23, clerk 808 White, Hezekiah, 30, farmer White, Susan, 26 White, Jessee W., 1 Lawrence, Nancy, 14 809 Johnston, John, 59, farmer Keeter, Elizabeth J., 29 Johnston, Penny, 24 Johnston, Jennet C., 17 Johnston, Samuel, 22 Johnston, John W., 19 Johnston, George W., 15 Keeter, Sarah, 3 Keeter, John T., 2 Keeter, George A., 1 810 Smith, James, 28, farmer Smith, Mary J., 23 Smith, Wm. R., 1 Johnston, George, 12 Sanderlin, Caroline, 22, mulatto, field hand end of page 50B

1910 UNITED STATES FEDERAL CENSUS NORTH CAROLINA ENUMERATION DISTRICT: 3 COUNTY: BERTIE CITY/TOWNSHIP: INDIAN WOODS ENUMERATOR: James Allen Page 45, Sheet No. 5B Windsor Road OUTLAW, Lewis, head, M, Mu, 28, M OUTLAW, Sallie, wife, F, B, 18, M OUTLAW, Thomas, son, M, Mu,11,S OUTLAW, Nellie, daughter, F, Mu, 7, S OUTLAW, John W., son, M, Mu, 4, S OUTLAW, Lewis H., son, M, Mu, 1, S BERRY, Mack, head, M, B, 32, M BERRY, BurNettie, wife, F, B, 33, M BERRY, George, son, M,B, 7, S BERRY, Nora G., daughter, F, B, 5, S BERRY, Thomas, son, M, B, 3, S BERRY, Lizzie, neice, F, B, 12, S HILL, Iepa(?), head, (?), B, 48, Wd The sex was written over--the given name might be Etta RASCOE, Ellen, daughter, F, B, 18, S MOORE, Jane, head, F, B, 45, S SMALLWOOD, Gertrude, daughter, F, B, 15, S SMALLWOOD, Anthony T., son, M, B, 13, S SMALLWOOD, Samuel, son, M, B, 10, S SMALLWOOD, Rosettie, daughter, F, B, 8, S CHERRY, Loureane, head, F, Mu, 40, S CHERRY, Lillie, daughter, F, Mu, 20, S CHERRY, Turner, son, M, Mu, 19, S CHERRY, Lovey, daughter, F, Mu, 14, S DUDLEY, Helen, daughter, F, Mu, 23, D GILLIAM, Whit, head, M, B, 46, M GILLIAM, Mary, wife, F, B, 37, M GILLIAM, Rebbecca, daughter, F, B, 17, S GILLIAM, Estella, daughter, F, B, 14, S GILLIAM, James W., grandson, M, B, 3, S GILLIAM, Whit, grandson, M, B, 2, S SMALLWOOD, Percy, daughter, F, B, 23, D FIELDS, Sarah, head, F, Mu, 53, Wd SMALLWOOD, Sarah, neice, F, B, 23, D SMALLWOOD, Hardy, grand nephew, M, B, 4, S SMALLWOOD, Andrew, grand nephew, M, B, 1, S SMALLWOOD, Ashley, head, M, Mu, 48, M SMALLWOOD, Mary B, wife, F, Mu, 40, M SMALLWOOD, William, son, M, Mu, 23, S SMALLWOOD, Eva, daughter, F, Mu, 20, S SMALLWOOD, Hattie, B., daughter, F, Mu, 18, S SMALLWOOD, Joseph, daughter(?), F, Mu, 9, S SMALLWOOD, Thadeous, son, M, Mu, 7, S SMALLWOOD, Locke, son, M, Mu, 4, S SMALLWOOD, Jimmie, son, M, Mu, 3/12, S PUGH, Julia, head, F, B, 88, Wd PUGH, Katie, daughter, F, B, 35, S PUGH, Martha, grand daughter, F, B, 17, S PUGH, Herman, grandson, M, B, 22, S JOYNER, Queenie, head, F, Mu, 30, S WILLIAMS, Melton, head, M, B, 62, Wd End of page Trudy Swain

HOW TO FIGURE A BIRTHDATE REMEMBER THIS NUMBER 8870 This is not an error: It is the number to remember when you want to find the birthdate of someone when you only have the date of death and age. How do you figure the birthdate? Suppose the person died May 6, 1889, at the age of 71 years, 7 months, 9 days. 1. Write the year, month, day as:->18890506 2. Subtract the age at death:------->710709 3. This gives the figure:--------->18179797 4. Now subtract 8870:----------------->8870 5. The result is:----------------->18170927 Year 1817, 9th month (Sept), 27th day or 27 Sept, 1817                                                                                      Brenda Sessoms

COUNTY OF BERTIE, AUGUST 9, 1860 POST OFFICE - MARY HILL WM. A. FERGUSON - ENUMERATOR Page 50A (household con't from page 49B) 797 Oder, Myilla, 23 Oder, Reuben, 28 Oder, Nazareth, 22 Oder, Wm. Ann, 9, female 798 Love, Sally, 54, black, farmer Love, Mary M., 21, black Love, Martha F., 20, black Love, Sally Ann, 19, black Love, Harriet, 15, black 799 Bowen, Jessee, 56, farmer Bowen, Margaret, 57 Bowen, Thomas, 25 Bowen, William, 23 Bowen, Fredrick, 20 Bowen, George A., 19 Bowen, Celia F., 16 Bowen, Mariah, 13 Lawrence, Lenny, 11 800 Gill, John, 42, farmer Gill, Harriet, 35 Gill, Henry, 17 Gill, William E., 13 Gill, Mary A., 11 Gill, Sally, 9 Gill, Thomas, 7 Gill, John, 5 Gill, James, 7/12 801 Bowen, Cornelius, 55, farmer Bowen, Susan, 32 Bowen, Margaret, 25 Bowen, Marcus, 17 Bowen, John H., 12 802 Bowen, Joshua, 59, farmer Bowen, Martha, 59 Bowen, Fanny, 29 Bowen, Harriet, 21 803 Bowen, Humphry, 32, farmer Bowen, Frances A., 26 804 Thomas, Lewis, 35, farmer Thomas, Eithen, 37 (household con't on page 50B) end of page 50A

Thanks, Brenda for that helpful information. In the meantime I discovered this http://searchforancestors.com/utility/birthday.html It is listed as for Tombstones, but might also work... for Census. At 10:25 AM 1/16/2002 -0500, Hombre10@webtv.net wrote: >HOW TO FIGURE A BIRTHDATE >REMEMBER THIS NUMBER >8870 >This is not an error: It is the number to remember when you want to find >the birthdate of someone when you only have the date of death and age. >How do you figure the birthdate? >Suppose the person died May 6, 1889, at the age of 71 years, 7 months, 9 >days. >1. Write the year, month, day as:->18890506 >2. Subtract the age at death:------->710709 >3. This gives the figure:--------->18179797 >4. Now subtract 8870:----------------->8870 >5. The result is:----------------->18170927 >Year 1817, 9th month (Sept), 27th day or 27 Sept, 1817 Virginia Crilley

COUNTY OF BERTIE, JUNE *, 1860 POST OFFICE - MARY HILL WM. A. FERGUSON - ENUMERATOR Page 49B (household con't from page 49A) 786 Sutton, John, 17 Sutton, Plammis?, 14, male Sutton, Henrietta, 22, Sutton, Wm. 2/12 Cook, Betsy, 38, seamstress 787 Capehart, Cullen, 71, farmer Amstead, Sophia, 46 788 Capehart, WG, 49, male, farmer Capehart, Susan B., 45 Capehart, Susan M., 18 Capehart, Sophia, 16 Capehart, Mary, 12 Ringe, Sophia, 22, teacher, born in Maryland Sanderling, Nancy, 53, black, servant 789 Bayley, Thos., 35, farmer Bayley, Elizabeth, 21 790 South, Sarah, 40, farmer South, Ann M., 14 South, Claery L., 12 791 Lawrence, Mary, 48, seamstress Lawrence, James B. 17 Pierce, Henry D., 29, farmer 792 Pierce, Ja**e, 28, female Pierce, James, 10 Pierce, Thos., 5 Bayly, Thos., 2 793 Davis, Jos. O., 28, farmer Davis, Sarah F., 25 Davis, William H., 3 Davis, Emery Jane, 1 794 Pierce, Edward, 40, baptist minister Pierce, Cynthia, 54 Finch, Henreitta, 11 795 Overton, Darby, 46, black, farmer Overton, Ann Eliza, 35, black Overton, Sally, 5, black Overton, Tobitha A., 2, black 796 Overton, Rachel, 95, black, cake baker 797 Oder, WA, 35, male, farmer Oder, Mary, 65 (household con't on page 50A) end of page 49B

COUNTY OF BERTIE, AUGUST 9, 1860 POST OFFICE - MARY HILL WM. A. FERGUSON - ENUMERATOR Page 49A 780 Bowen, Elisha, 34, mechanic Bowen, LD, 9, male Bowen, Susan, 8 Bowen, Harrit, 9 Bowen, Henry, 4 Bowen, Martha, 3 781 Capehart, Wm. H., 48, merchant Capehart, James, 17 Capehart, Wm. A., 13 Capehart, Hill, 10 Capehart, Mary E., 8 Bowen, James L., 21 782 Williford, Jos. W., 44, farmer Williford, Patsy R., 43 Williford, Jos. N., 18 Williford, Mary F., 16 Williford, Sarah, 14 Williford, Robert H., 12 Williford, Clara A., 10 Williford, Richard B., 8 Williford, Jno. T. 6 Williford, Osbern, 4 Williford, Virginia A., 2 783 Sanderlin, Aley, 37, black, laborer Sanderlin, Nancy, black, 15 784 Pierce, Abington, 57, B. Smith Pierce, Harriet, 58 Pierce, Harrit E., 21 Pierce, Henrietta, 6 785 Freeman, RP, 59, male, farmer Freeman, Sarah Jane, 44 Weston, Thos., 35 Weston, Anne, 8 Weston, Sarah W., 6 Bayley, Jane W., 17 Lawrence, Assy E., 15 786 Sutton, Wm. T., 50, farmer Sutton, Mary, 43 Sutton, Stark, 23, farmer Sutton, Wm., 21 (household con't on page 49B) end of page 49A

http://www.ancestry.com/search/io/main.htm This is a site that gives the Districts of all the Census for the counties... This is a FREE portion....you don't need to be a member. http://www.ipums.umn.edu/~pipums/voliii/tEnumInstr.html This site gives helpful information --instructions to the Enumerators. http://www.ipums.umn.edu/~pipums/voliii/tQuestions.html This gives the questions that were asked.... Virginia Crilley

We would like to invite you to re-visit our website, The POORHOUSE STORY (a clearinghouse for information about 19th century American poorhouses) at http://www.poorhousestory.com Please excuse the cross postings, but we just published poorhouse information about a great many counties in NORTH CAROLINA. Our partial list of counties known to have poorhouses includes: Beaufort/Buncombe/Burke/Cabarrus/Caswell/Cleveland/Craven/Cumberland/Davidso n/Duplin/Edgecombe/Granville/Guilford/Halifax/Iredell/Johnston/Lenoir/Lincol n/Mecklenburg/Montgomery/Moore/Nash/NewHanover/Northampton/Orange/Richmond/R ockingham/Rowan/ Rutherford/Stokes/Surry/Warren/Wayne Our list of counties for which the NC State Archives has poor relief and/or poorhouse records includes: Alexander/Ashe/Bertie/Beaufort/Buncombe/Carteret/Chatham/Cherokee/Cleveland/ Craven/Currituck/Davie/Edgecombe/Granville/Guilford/Hyde/Iredell/Lincoln/Mon tgomery/Nash/NewHanover/Northampton/Orange/Pasquotank/Perquimans/Person/Polk /Rowan/Rutherford/ Sampson/Stanley/Surry/Union/Wake/Wayne/Yadkin We have provided more historical notes from the archives on the page with their holdings listed. DIRECTIONS: At the homepage (link above) click on POORHOUSES BY STATE, then on NORTH CAROLINA on the table of states. If you will scroll down to the section on "Local Notes", you will find the poorhouse list; and then scrolling down to "Records", you will see the archives holdings list. These entries are marked with yellow NEW arrows. (NOTE: If you have visited the site recently, you may have to click on REFRESH on your browser to see the new information.) There are other pages on the site which may give you some interesting perspective on poorhouses. They are off the homepage and include: the HISTORY page and the LETTER TO GENEALOGISTS as well as FEATURED ARTICLES. There are great tips for researching poorhouse records for yourself on the RECORDS page; and you might want to subscribe to our (almost) monthly newletter (which you can do in the lower right corner of the homepage). The information on our site will only grow through the submissions of generous readers. If you would like to e-mail me ... please do so off-list because I cannot maintain subscriptions to as many lists as we post messages on. (You can use an e-mail link off one of our web pages.) We hope you enjoy the site! Thanks, Linda Crannell (aka=The Poorhouse Lady)

Virginia, It seems there is a formular to determine the year of a persons birth by the census reports. For Example" I have a greatgrandmother Ella Nora Green Bn. 8-4-1883 and Dd. 2-9-1969. Her husband James Walter Terry Dd. 8-21-1941. According the 1920 Census-Mitchell Township, Aulander Town: shows Terry, J.W. head/M/W/40/M. How would I establish his Date of Birth? Thanks, Jim

I've seen those charts....but don't have a url handy. maybe someone else does.... These charts actually let you use the month/day and then come up with the birthdate. However, what I do is just subtract the age from the date of the Census....which gives an estimated date by the year. (I don't think this is your question though) Comparing the various years of census can show you the variations....and many times even the age they gave the enumerator was incorrect....depending on who actually gave the information and how accurate they wanted to be. Probably by 1920 they were giving more accurate information. At 07:17 AM 1/16/2002 -0500, Jim Jenkins wrote: >Virginia, >It seems there is a formula to determine the year of a persons birth by >the census reports. For Example" I have a greatgrandmother Ella Nora >Green Bn. 8-4-1883 and Dd. 2-9-1969. Her husband James Walter Terry Dd. >8-21-1941. >According the 1920 Census-Mitchell Township, Aulander Town: shows Terry, >J.W. head/M/W/40/M. >How would I establish his Date of Birth? >Thanks, >Jim > > >==== NCBERTIE Mailing List ==== >Bertie County Page http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncbertie/index.htm >Many pages of information on-line. I welcome yours as well! >Be sure to "search" on this page! Send to me: varcsix@hot.rr.com > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 Virginia Crilley

COUNTY OF BERTIE, AUGUST 9, 1860 POST OFFICE - MARY HILL WM. A. FERGUSON - ENUMERATOR Page 48B (household con't from page 48A) 772 Cofield, Ruffin W., 12 Cofield, Augustus, 10 Cofield, Lermeza?, 5 773 McGlawhon, Wm. F., 44, farmer McGlawhon, Julia Ann, 27 McGlawhon, Ann, 19, teaching school McGlawhon, Mary, 9/12 McGlawhon, Thos. Perry, 19 Mardra, Martha, 19 Davidson, Betsy, 80 774 McGlawhon, John W., 35, farmer 775 Gregory, David, 48, farmer Gregory, Sarah, 46 Gregory, Alfred, 19 Gregory, Samuel, 17 Gregory, Joseph, 12 Gregory, Thy E., 9 Gregory, Isaac, 6 776 Gregory, Wm. L., 24, farmer Gregory, Mary Jane, 19 777 Gaskins, David, 55, farmer Gaskins, Ellen, 48 Gaskins, WT, 21, male Gaskins, Ann H., 18 Gaskins, Jos D., 16 Gaskins, Mary E., 13 Gaskins, Harriet, 10 Gregory, John T., 21 778 Ward, George W., 42, farmer Ward, Clarisy, 37 Ward, Mary, 45 779 Davidson, Harriet, 48, farmer Butler, Mary, 23 Butler, Catharine, 21 Butler, James, 2 Butler, Polly, 77 Butler, Nancy, 17 Butler, Kader, 26, farmer Dempsy, Henry, 7 end of page 48B

COUNTY OF BERTIE, AUGUST 9, 1860 POST OFFICE - MARY HILL WM. A. FERGUSON - ENUMERATOR Page 48A (household con't from page 47B) 764 Nicholls, Eryine J., 4 Nicholls, Clara, 2 Burns, Andrew, 10 765 Bayly, Ann, 48, farmer Bayly, Lenora, 23 Bayly, Lucy, 18 Bayly, Miles, 19 766 Evins, Lucky, 38, farmer Evins, Martha, 32 Mitchell, Margaret A., 13 Mitchell, Wright Evans, 8 Mitchell, William Thos., 6 Mitchell, Charles N., 4 Mitchell, Mary F., 2 Mitchell, George W., 1/2 767 White, David, 23, farmer White, Frances J., 15 768 White, Frances, 45, farmer White, Van Buran, 19 White, Priscilla, 18 White, Bashy Perry, 32 769 Bird, Wm. W., 39, farmer Bird, Ruthy, 20 770 Pierce, David, 47, farmer Pierce, Lewey, 40 Pierce, James R., 14 Pierce, David W., 12 771 Pierce, Isaac, 34, farmer Pierce, Mary, 41 Pierce, Lodwrise, 19 Pierce, Quinton, 17 Pierce, William, 12 Pierce, Belinda, 10 Pierce, Rachel, 8 Pierce, Isaac T., 6 Pierce, Jos. W., 4 Pierce, Augustus A., 1 772 Cofield, Delily, 38, farmer Cofield, Martha Ann, 16 Cofield, Alfred B., 15 (household con't on page 48B) end of page 48A

COUNTY OF BERTIE, AUGUST 9, 1860 POST OFFICE - MARRY HILL WM. A. FERGUSON - ENUMERATOR Page 47B (household con't from page 47A) 758 Webb, Clara, 27 759 Bowen, Henry, 39, farmer Bowen, George, 36 Bowen, Celia, 42 Bowen, Penelope, 50 760 Phelps, Reubin, 43, farmer Phelps, Harriet, 46 Phelps, Jonathan, 19 Phelps, Mary, 16 Phelps, Penelope, 14 Phelps, John, 12 Phelps, Jervis, 8 Phelps, Miles, 5 Phelps, Harriet, 5/12 761 Bowen, Amandy, 28, farmer Butler, Starky, 37, waterman Butler, Harriet, 26 Butler, John, 7 Butler, Bettie, 5 762 Morris, John, 43, farmer Morris, Mary, 38 Morris, Orra, 15 Morris, Emily, 13 Morris, Mary, 11 Morris, William Ann, 9, female Morris, John T., 6 Morris, Sally, 1 Morris, George, 10 763 Rhodes, John J., 38, farmer Rhodes, Adaline, 34 Rhodes, Susan, 15 Rhodes, William, 13 Rhodes, Thomas, 11 Rhodes, J. Hill, 4 Rhodes, Ann E., 2 Rhodes, Paul, 3/12 764 Nicholls, Jos. B., 39, farmer Nicholls, Martha C., 35 Nicholls, Janus B., 10 Nicholls, Mary E., 6 (household con't on page 48A) end of page 47B