This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2UB.2ACI/2233 Message Board Post: both my grand parents had the last name smith. my grandmother was sarah lena smith. thomas smith.was her father,her mother name was armeta pemilia brown.after my grand mothers mom died my grand father thomas remarried a cene bunting of tarboro north carolina i am looking for any in fro on my grand mother brother and sisters celie brown she was married to ben keeter he either died or they divorce one or the other we not sure which and she remarried to a will jones they have twoson albert and carlton william smith was her brother he was married to a minnie last name unknown pearlie l.smith was married to william m.vanhorne dont know if he died and she remarried or what she was also married to joseph raynor armeta lee smith was married to a first name unknown searcey if any one has any info on any of these plz email me.ty

More good info from an accimplished researcher. Thanks Quan ----- Original Message ----- From: Quan Pruitt Need Help to Find Slave Market Paul and Nancy, Nancy, You didn't give his name or the year so--It was a business and as you search for information on your family ancestor keep an open mind and always remember to find the money, Slaves were considered money. First I would check the census index for both names in the Selma area. This might get you a first name. Tax list for both names. This will be a job but it will be an interesting journey for you. The Alabama slave trade market season begin in December - April as most areas did. Ads in the local newspapers and court records during that time might help locate your ancestors business. But if he was a migratory slave trader then you may never find records or they could be in many counties around Selma, Alabama. This was a way for a trader not to pay taxes on the slaves and the money they made. Search Selma area. There are three areas that I have read about in Alabama Mobile, Bluff Port and Montgomery. Quan ----- Original Message ----- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 4565 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

Subject: Re: Need Help to Find Slave Market Hi, again, Nancy. Your question is a GOOD one, and what search methods you use should be of interest to all researcher, especially professionals. One must view the market in slaves as a business; nothing more, nothing less. It was perfectly legal in most of the states south of the Mason-Dixon Line, and those in that business sought buyers and sellers just as we do automobiles, houses and farm implements. Because if one was to grow his business, advertising both locally and any nearby town of even small numbers having a need for slaves in their tobacco business, you must look in the classified ads of all newspapers within 50-75 miles, especially any larger community in that area. In addition, since some buyers demanded a bill of sale, it would be wise for you to check under his name in the deeds and "miscellaneous" records in all of the surrounding counties. Also remember that many buyers traveled many miles up or down major rivers as they sought the best selection, prices and for dealers with reputations as dealers in able-bodies slaves who were not incorrigible or were known to be prone to run away. The buyers shopped the Blacks exactly as they did their horses, cattle and fine dogs. Sellers who had a reputation for inferior Blacks tried, as now with used cars, to sell such at the best price and any place where their a reputation for honesty or truthful representation was not known. Finally, a retail seller bought his stock in trade - Blacks - from the best and most economical sources known to him to be suppliers of that quality that was wanted. As now, some bought Cadillacs and others beat up used cars. There were wholesalers in virtually all seaports, and again, since some buyers, including dealers as was your man, you need to search for ads in the seaports closest to where your man lived. Selma was mid-state and on a navigable stream, but was not viewed as a seaport, so you need to look at ads for sales and for ships docking at such as Mobile and New Orleans. You likely will find slaves for sale or at auction and on the docks as the ships sought to unload. Again, it was a business, and what we think of it has no relevance whatever to genealogists/researchers. As a business, the better and more astute merchants/dealers in Blacks, succeeded, and those who were not, failed. I hope this helps. Paul From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 8:57 PM Subject: Need Help to Find Slave Market Paul, Hope you might be able to suggest way to find my husbands ancestor who owned a slave market. We have been stumped for years. His last name was either Brown or Aldrich. We know no first name. He probably was in Selma Alabama area or somewhere else in Alabama. Any help would begreatly appreciated! Nancy Brown Santa Ana, Ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 4565 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

Good suggestion, and right you likely are, Marie, however Nancy said she had looked "everywhere". As the experienced researcher she truly is, I did not imagine but that she had examined the 1850 and 1860 censuses, as well as the tax records, both of which might shed light on her problem. Still, thanks, and for the benefit of all others, I should have mentioned those additional sources stated by you. In addition, Frank Drake has correctly added, "Like any business, it may have been that your ancestor's was involved in lawsuits over debts, unsatisfactory contracts, etc. Consider checking the antebellum civil litigation index in the city or county(ies) where you suspect he did business. You might find records that way. You might also find he went bankrupt right after the war", as did many. Finally, though consignments did occasionally happen, most sales by other than owners were done by folks acting as "agents" for those sellers. ----- Original Message ----- From: marie yeager If he owned a slave market, would he not have been the owner of the slaves until they were sold, excluding for lack of a better term "consignment transactions"? If that were the case, Wouldn't the slave schedules of the federal census to be a place to look? One dealing in slave trade should own a numerous amount above the norm i would think? Just a suggestion marie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 4565 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

Hi, again, Nancy. Your question is a GOOD one, and what search methods you use should be of interest to all researcher, especially professionals. One must view the market in slaves as a business; nothing more, nothing less. It was perfectly legal in most of the states south of the Mason-Dixon Line, and those in that business sought buyers and sellers just as we do automobiles, houses and farm implements. Because if one was to grow his business, advertising both locally and any nearby town of even small numbers having a need for slaves in their tobacco business, you must look in the classified ads of all newspapers within 50-75 miles, especially any larger community in that area. In addition, since some buyers demanded a bill of sale, it would be wise for you to check under his name in the deeds and "miscellaneous" records in all of the surrounding counties. Also remember that many buyers traveled many miles up or down major rivers as they sought the best selection, prices and for dealers with reputations as dealers in able-bodies slaves who were not incorrigible or were known to be prone to run away. The buyers shopped the Blacks exactly as they did their horses, cattle and fine dogs. Sellers who had a reputation for inferior Blacks tried, as now with used cars, to sell such at the best price and any place where their a reputation for honesty or truthful representation was not known. Finally, a retail seller bought his stock in trade - Blacks - from the best and most economical sources known to him to be suppliers of that quality that was wanted. As now, some bought Cadillacs and others beat up used cars. There were wholesalers in virtually all seaports, and again, since some buyers, including dealers as was your man, you need to search for ads in the seaports closest to where your man lived. Selma was mid-state and on a navigable stream, but was not viewed as a seaport, so you need to look at ads for sales and for ships docking at such as Mobile and New Orleans. You likely will find slaves for sale or at auction and on the docks as the ships sought to unload. Again, it was a business, and what we think of it has no relevance whatever to genealogists/researchers. As a business, the better and more astute merchants/dealers in Blacks, succeeded, and those who were not, failed. I hope this helps. Paul From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 8:57 PM Subject: Need Help to Find Slave Market Paul, Hope you might be able to suggest way to find my husbands ancestor who owned a slave market. We have been stumped for years. His last name was either Brown or Aldrich. We know no first name. He probably was in Selma Alabama area or somewhere else in Alabama. Any help would begreatly appreciated! Nancy Brown Santa Ana, Ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 4562 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 4565 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

I have available the following Bertie Deed Books Vol. 1 - Oct 1722 - May 1725 Vol. 2 - May 1725 - May 1727 Vol. 3 - May 1727 - Aug 1728 Vol. 4 - 1728 - 1730 These books are $13.00 each, and are very generous abstracts. They all have indexes with the names of every person mentioned in the deed, including witnesses. If you are interested in these or the Bertie County Wills books that I also have, just e-mail me. Thanks. Laura Willis Simmons Historical Publications P. O. Box 108 Mayfield, Ky 42066 _________________________________________________________________ Call friends with PC-to-PC calling -- FREE http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2UB.2ACI/2231.2.3 Message Board Post: Please See the detailed info I posted from the family Bible.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2UB.2ACI/2040.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Please see Spivey/Sessoms & White/Watford. I have a Fannie and trying to find out where the Whites fit in. I have a W.S. White.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2UB.2ACI/2119.1 Message Board Post: I have a letter undated from Patti Mizell it was to Fannie to tell Maggie White to please have a picture of Robert Pickuse enlarged. The bible was from 1892. She was in P____, VA Hard to read the letter it's faded. My great-great grandmother lived in Bertie Co. See Spivey/Sessoms & White/Watford

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2UB.2ACI/2121.1.1 Message Board Post: I am of the Sessoms line from Brooklyn N.Y. would appreciate any info. Also I posted much info see Spivey/Sessoms & White/Watford

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2UB.2ACI/2141.1 Message Board Post: I have a Fannie Outlaw married John E. Spivey 11/10/1924

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2UB.2ACI/2232 Message Board Post: Found in my great-great grandmothers family Bible from 1892 Birth page: John S. Spivey born 4/19/1875 Fannie J. Spivey born 10/?/1877 ( my great great grandmother) Thomas Asnew born 5/29/1892 George E. Spivey born 5/29/1897 Lonnie G. Sessoms born 8/?/1898 Lettie E. Spivey born 1/18/1899 - 4/30/71 (my great grandmother) William W. Spivey born 6/28/1903 John E. Spivey born 5/5/1905 James H. Spivey born 4/10/1907 Silvester Spivey born 7/28/1909 David R. Spivey born 4/2/1912 Joseph B. Sessoms born 7/13/1917 - 4/12/1997 (my grandfather) C.C. Sessoms born 5/6/1919 Doris Sessoms born 12/13/1920 Rosebud Arline Sessoms 2/17/1923 L. E. Sessoms born 1/13/1925 Bernadine Elizabeth Sessoms 10/16/1936 - 11/25/1970(my mother) Doris E. Spivey born 7/7/1938 The death page: Simon White died 2/19/1916 Annie White 4/10/1917 C.C. Sessoms 11/9/1920 Nettie Mitchell 1/23/1921 Doris Sessoms 7/19/1923 Marice A. White 11/24/1924 W.J. Watford 11/28/1924 Pruio Sessoms 4/29/1930 her name sounded like Prudie William Spivey 3/1/1934 Joseph White 7/3/1934 Martha Harrell 3/2/1936 Lonnie Sessoms 3/5/1939 John E. Spivey 12/27/1941 Silvester Spivey 4/22/1945 John S. Spivey 8/28/1948 Fannie Spivey 12/27/1954 Lorraine S. Pettiford 4/7/1956 David R. Spivey 7/15/1972 The Marriage page: Fannie & Johns S. Spivey was married 12/10/1896 Thomas Askew was married 3/18/1914 Lonnie Sessoms & Lettie Spivey 10/29/1917 W.W. Spivey was married 7/10/1924 John E. Spivey & Fannie Outlaw 11/10/1924 James Pettiford & Lorraine Spivey 3/26/1950 WRITTEN ON A PAPER (Births) Judson Watford 5/30/1861 Grant White 8/4/1866 Mary L.C. Watford 11/6/1868 Maggie White 3/27/1874 Fannie Spivey 10/1877 Arthur White 7/24/1879 Alviner White 9/?/1884 James Watford 11/18/1891 Calvin Watford 10/?/1892 ??? Watford 8/4/1894 W.S. White 5/18/1896 G.G. Spivey 5/29/1897 L.E. Spivey 1/18/1899 John S. Spivey 4/19/1875

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2UB.2ACI/2231.2.2 Message Board Post: Every year there's a family reunion around the 4th of July in Ahoskie. I have been there twice but not to the family reunions.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2UB.2ACI/2231.2.1 Message Board Post: Hi Betty, Here goes...I have a Fannie Outlaw who married John E. Spivey on 11/10/1924. He was my g-grandmas brother. My William W. Spivey was born June 28, 1903 he was my great grandmothers brother. He died March 1, 1934. He was married July 10, 1924. That's all I have. I believe they all live in Ashokie/Colerain.Before moving to N.Y. Hope this helps. William Spivey mother was Fannie J born 10/1877 and the father John S. Spivey born April 19, 1875 they married Dec 10, 1896. They had 7 children.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/2UB.2ACI/2231.2 Message Board Post: I have been trying to put together my lineage thru the Spivey line of Bertie Co, NC. According to my deceased cousin's info from trips there, I have the following info: 1. Thomas Cherry married Rachel Outlaw 1794 2. William Spivey married their daughter Molly Cherry 3. Susan Spivey their daughter married Whitmil T. Sharrock 1835 and she died 2 yrs. after giving birth to one daughter (Sarah) d. 1838 Bertie Co. 4. Sarah Winifred Sharrock married Samuel Hyman Gill in Bertie Co. 1856. They both died in TN. 5. Whitmel James Gill was my gfather. Does any of this connect with your Spivey line in Bertie Co?

Tim has asked about the "rent rolls" of colonial Stafford County, VA. I think the answer may benefit many since particularly the Northern Neck was involved. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Drake Hi,Tim. The word "rents" in the English legal system is a thousand or more years old, and it meant simply money paid by someone to another person for the use of land. As you might guess, when the precise meaning became part of the common language and was broadened in meaning (as haved thousands of words), the term came to mean as it had previously, but also included taxes. The word "rolls" then meant simply a "list" or a tax or fee for land use determined and reduced to writing. An example known to all of us are the "Quit Rents of VA, 1704". However, as in early MD, those rents for the Northern Neck Proprietorship, which included Lancaster, Northumberland, Westmoreland, Richmond, and your Stafford Cos., were rents as we now know the term, and were payments to the owner of the proprietorship for use of his land. Such land was often given to men of affluence by the Crown in order that the land be settled as population was increased, thereby increasing the income of the Crown or whoever else. At the same time, the owner of the proprietorship usually profited, and still owned the land without working it to any substantial degree. While some of such "rents" were the price paid (usually annually) for such terms as use for the "life of the tenant" or for such uses that were stated to end after some specified number of years (usually a long term), in my own family, there was a use to end when the last of any of three men - my ancestor and his two sons - died. By such terms, some uses could last MANY years, if father and sons were long-lived, many of such "rents" later were converted to what we now know as "forever" - or outright ownership. Then too, a few of the arrangements provided almost automatic ownership at the end of the declared term, rather like our "land contracts" or "purchase money mortgages". Same too, when the original proprietorship ended. So, only a title search seeking out a chain of title for yor ancestor will adequately reveal the nature of his tenancy and from whom he gained title. Sadly, many of such records are not to be found by reason of the loss/deterioration of records across the 250 years since the 1760 date you mentioned in the query. Hope this helps. Paul -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 4528 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2UB.2ACI/2231.1.1 Message Board Post: I have Martha Harrell passing 3/2/1936

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Rasco, Spivey, Harrell, Outlaw Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2UB.2ACI/2231.1 Message Board Post: I have a Jacob D. Rascoe marrying a Sarah Francis Spivey c. 1805 in Bertie Co, NC. A Lilly Belle Spivey marrying a William Acuff Rasco in TX around 1922. Also William Rasco marrying a Rachel Harrell Bertie Co. NC around 1777. An Edward Ralph Outlaw that married Lucy Rascoe in NC around 1868 If you find any more connections to these names please let me know. MArk

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Spivey/Sessoms Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2UB.2ACI/2231 Message Board Post: I have my great-great grandmothers family bible. Her name Fannie G. Spivey maiden name unknown born 1877. She was married to John S. Spivey born 1875,owned land in Bertie County 1908. In the bible are the names Watford, White,Mitchel and Harrell. Births & Deaths. My grandfather Joseph Sessoms born 1917 his father Lonnie Sessoms born 1898 and my great-grandmother Lettie Elizabeth Spivey born 1899 daughter of Fannie and John. White Township, Colerain, N.C. The bible is very very old. Found in the bible are papers with names Pettiford and Askew. Also a Fannie Outlaw married John E. Spivey 1924. Since I have this information maybe someone can help me put the pieces of the puzzle together.

>Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 06:22:19 -0700 >From: "e.bunch" <[email protected]> > >doing genealogy on smithwick family, am trying to find a smithwick >involved in the revoluntary war. some of the smithwick's are john thos. >smithwick, william c , john smithwick etc. thanks.