Rasco - Rascoe - Roscow Mark Rasco MR564@comcast.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not an addressee or otherwise authorized to receive this message, you should not use, copy, disclose or take any action based on this e-mail or any information contained in the message. If you have received this material in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. P Please consider the environment before printing this email. > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:46:27 -0400 > From: mmaker52@aol.com > To: ncbertie-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NCBERTIE] Surname Listing > > > I am requesting that we get our surname listing updated that each of you are researching along with an updated email address for each of you, that you would like used as a contact. It has been awhile since this has been updated in our system and while we are correcting and updating I feel we should also knock this out. This is a great tool for helping people find each other. The below listed is the URL to the site. > > > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncbertie/surnameresearchers.htm > > It is my hope that we can keep this up to date. Please send your surname list to me and I will make sure it is updated. > > Please help us all get this project on the road again and being the "BEST" around > > Claudia Harrell Williams > Mmaker52@aol.com > CC Bertie County > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCBERTIE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Horace, Is that the same Peele family as the Robert Peale who got a land grant in Nansemond Co, VA in early 1700s? -----Original Message----- From: Horace Peele <horace@peele.info> To: ncbertie@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2009 9:02 pm Subject: Re: [NCBERTIE] Surname Listing Peel, peal, peele, peelle, etc. Sweety. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mmaker52" <mmaker52@aol.com> To: <ncbertie-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:46 PM Subject: [NCBERTIE] Surname Listing > > I am requesting that we get our surname listing updated that each of you > are researching along with an updated email address for each of you, that > you would like used as a contact. It has been awhile since this has been > updated in our system and while we are correcting and updating I feel we > should also knock this out. This is a great tool for helping people find > each other. The below listed is the URL to the site. > > > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncbertie/surnameresearchers.htm > > It is my hope that we can keep this up to date. Please send your surname > list to me and I will make sure it is updated. > > Please help us all get this project on the road again and being the "BEST" > around > > Claudia Harrell Williams > Mmaker52@aol.com > CC Bertie County > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCBERTIE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCBERTIE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
English origins of Perry, Hunter, Askew.
Smithwick, Williams, Langdale, Barnacastle with various spellings, Shaw, Leicester (possibly Lester as well) and Harden. Email address has not changed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mmaker52" <mmaker52@aol.com> To: <ncbertie-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:46 PM Subject: [NCBERTIE] Surname Listing > > I am requesting that we get our surname listing updated that each of you > are researching along with an updated email address for each of you, that > you would like used as a contact. It has been awhile since this has been > updated in our system and while we are correcting and updating I feel we > should also knock this out. This is a great tool for helping people find > each other. The below listed is the URL to the site. > > > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncbertie/surnameresearchers.htm > > It is my hope that we can keep this up to date. Please send your surname > list to me and I will make sure it is updated. > > Please help us all get this project on the road again and being the "BEST" > around > > Claudia Harrell Williams > Mmaker52@aol.com > CC Bertie County > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCBERTIE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
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I am requesting that we get our surname listing updated that each of you are researching along with an updated email address for each of you, that you would like used as a contact. It has been awhile since this has been updated in our system and while we are correcting and updating I feel we should also knock this out. This is a great tool for helping people find each other. The below listed is the URL to the site. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncbertie/surnameresearchers.htm It is my hope that we can keep this up to date. Please send your surname list to me and I will make sure it is updated. Please help us all get this project on the road again and being the "BEST" around Claudia Harrell Williams Mmaker52@aol.com CC Bertie County
Martin Ring 1735 born in Granville area before it became a County, North Carolina and Thomas Ring 1757 born in Granville county, North Carolina. Have a good day, Jon Wenzel --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Mmaker52 <mmaker52@aol.com> wrote: From: Mmaker52 <mmaker52@aol.com> Subject: [NCBERTIE] Surname Listing To: ncbertie-l@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 12:46 PM I am requesting that we get our surname listing updated that each of you are researching along with an updated email address for each of you, that you would like used as a contact. It has been awhile since this has been updated in our system and while we are correcting and updating I feel we should also knock this out. This is a great tool for helping people find each other. The below listed is the URL to the site. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncbertie/surnameresearchers.htm It is my hope that we can keep this up to date. Please send your surname list to me and I will make sure it is updated. Please help us all get this project on the road again and being the "BEST" around Claudia Harrell Williams Mmaker52@aol.com CC Bertie County ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCBERTIE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Peel, peal, peele, peelle, etc. Sweety. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mmaker52" <mmaker52@aol.com> To: <ncbertie-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:46 PM Subject: [NCBERTIE] Surname Listing > > I am requesting that we get our surname listing updated that each of you > are researching along with an updated email address for each of you, that > you would like used as a contact. It has been awhile since this has been > updated in our system and while we are correcting and updating I feel we > should also knock this out. This is a great tool for helping people find > each other. The below listed is the URL to the site. > > > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncbertie/surnameresearchers.htm > > It is my hope that we can keep this up to date. Please send your surname > list to me and I will make sure it is updated. > > Please help us all get this project on the road again and being the "BEST" > around > > Claudia Harrell Williams > Mmaker52@aol.com > CC Bertie County > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCBERTIE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I have just received via mail two postcards that are in almost mint condition from Sue Clark of Hillsbourgh. They have beautiful painted river scenes of the Roxobel NC. These cards are circa 1930's. The following is the message on the post cards: The Mail Bag Program Station W.P.H.R Petersburg, VA Roxobel, NC Nov 3 1936 Miss Margaret Burkette request, "My Dear" or "I Love You Truly" for her sister, Mildred, who just got married to Mr. Garland Jernigan of Aulander, NC. Mr and Mrs Jernigan will make home in Aulander. I sent in a request before but it wasn't announced. I will thank you kindly if you sing and announce this Thursday. The Mail Bag Program Station W.P.H.R. Petersburg, VA Roxobel, NC Dec 3, 1936 Miss Margaret Burkette request, "I Can't Escape From You" for her little sister, Frankie Ed, who will be 7 years old Saturday the 5th. Please sing this Saturday morning. If anyone would like I can scan and send you copies of these. Does anyone know who this is? Claudia Harrell Williams Mmaker52@aol.com CC Bertie County
My surnames are Jenkins, Perry, Terry, Register, Dunfords, and Killebrews Jim redlemon@carolina.rr.com
Amiee, I am so sorry to hear about your father. Times like this for you is never easy. Anything I can help or do for you, please let me know. faye wallace --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Mmaker52 <mmaker52@aol.com> wrote: From: Mmaker52 <mmaker52@aol.com> Subject: [NCBERTIE] Fwd: Help To: ncbertie-l@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 10:41 PM In a message dated 07/21/09 22:38:42 Eastern Daylight Time, Mmaker52 writes: Just received the below listed email from Amiee Tynes-Floyd Hall. Amiee we are all sorry to hear of the passing of your father. Please accept my sympathy and prayers for you and yours Claudia Harrell Williams CC Bertie County An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! Subj:RE: Help Date:07/21/2009 10:35:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time From:Amiee12345 To:Mmaker52 Hello Claudia, I have just came home from Windsor, NC, Bertie County. I can't get on to site where people ask about many lines? Help!!!!!!! IN MEMORY GEORGE RUDOLPH FLOYD b. 4/4/24 d. 7/14/09 I lost my father last Tuesday at 9 PM. I would like Kin and Genealogy friends to know. Amelia Tynes-Floyd Hall Amiee A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCBERTIE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wgn183 Surnames: White, Tom Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.northcarolina.counties.bertie/638.640.688/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for the parents of James Thomas White born in bertie co in 1770. Just wondered if he might be the son of Luke are one in that family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
Amelia I just read that your father had passed away. I am sorry to hear that. I used to see him a lot at the rest home when he visited with your grandmother. Martha Gillam Price P O Box 425 Windsor, NC 27983 252-325-0450 mprice@coastalnet.com -----Original Message----- >From: Lou Craig <lcraig@myglnc.com> >Sent: Jul 21, 2009 11:15 PM >To: ncbertie@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NCBERTIE] Fwd: Help > >Amelia > >I was in Windsor today and saw Jane Bowen and she told me of your daddy. I >am very sorry to hear of his death; I was thinking of him on the way to >Windsor and wanted to ask him about my uncle who is dead, Ulrich Mizelle. He >and Ulrich were in the service together and were very good friends. > >Lou Lyon Craig, Jr >4106 Princess Anne Cr >Wilson, NC 27896 >252-237-5737 >lcraig@myglnc.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mmaker52" <mmaker52@aol.com> >To: <ncbertie-l@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:41 PM >Subject: [NCBERTIE] Fwd: Help > > >> >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 07/21/09 22:38:42 Eastern Daylight Time, Mmaker52 >> writes: >> Just received the below listed email from Amiee Tynes-Floyd Hall. Amiee >> we are all sorry to hear of the passing of your father. Please accept my >> sympathy and prayers for you and yours >> >> Claudia Harrell Williams >> CC Bertie County >> >> >> >> >> >> >> An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! >> >> >> Subj:RE: Help >> Date:07/21/2009 10:35:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time >> From:Amiee12345 >> To:Mmaker52 >> >> >> Hello Claudia, >> >> I have just came home from Windsor, NC, >> Bertie County. >> >> I can't get on to site where people ask >> about many lines? Help!!!!!!! >> >> >> IN MEMORY >> GEORGE RUDOLPH FLOYD >> b. 4/4/24 d. 7/14/09 >> >> I lost my father last Tuesday at 9 PM. >> I would like Kin and Genealogy friends to know. >> >> >> >> Amelia Tynes-Floyd Hall >> Amiee >> >> >> >> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCBERTIE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCBERTIE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Amelia I was in Windsor today and saw Jane Bowen and she told me of your daddy. I am very sorry to hear of his death; I was thinking of him on the way to Windsor and wanted to ask him about my uncle who is dead, Ulrich Mizelle. He and Ulrich were in the service together and were very good friends. Lou Lyon Craig, Jr 4106 Princess Anne Cr Wilson, NC 27896 252-237-5737 lcraig@myglnc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mmaker52" <mmaker52@aol.com> To: <ncbertie-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: [NCBERTIE] Fwd: Help > > > > > > In a message dated 07/21/09 22:38:42 Eastern Daylight Time, Mmaker52 > writes: > Just received the below listed email from Amiee Tynes-Floyd Hall. Amiee > we are all sorry to hear of the passing of your father. Please accept my > sympathy and prayers for you and yours > > Claudia Harrell Williams > CC Bertie County > > > > > > > An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > > > Subj:RE: Help > Date:07/21/2009 10:35:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From:Amiee12345 > To:Mmaker52 > > > Hello Claudia, > > I have just came home from Windsor, NC, > Bertie County. > > I can't get on to site where people ask > about many lines? Help!!!!!!! > > > IN MEMORY > GEORGE RUDOLPH FLOYD > b. 4/4/24 d. 7/14/09 > > I lost my father last Tuesday at 9 PM. > I would like Kin and Genealogy friends to know. > > > > Amelia Tynes-Floyd Hall > Amiee > > > > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCBERTIE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Thanks, Virginia for inspiring so many since the early 1980s. No one could have been more helpful and encouraging as you were to me in 1987. Many people all over the US that I communicate with marvel at the Bertie site. I am deeply appreciative for all that you did, and continue to do. And Claudia has already done a ton of work for us on the site since she has taken over the helm. Angels, both! Shoulars wrote: > Virginia, I am a subscriber to the Bertie web site and am ashamed to admit > it but that is the truth. I donated some photo's to the classes of Roxobel/ > Kelford school, since I donated them to the site my e-mail has changed, how > do I get it changed on those pages? Julius Shoulars jshoulars @ cox.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Virginia Ruffin" <v_ruffin@yahoo.com> > To: <ncbertie@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:58 AM > Subject: [NCBERTIE] Our wonderful Bertie List! > > > >> A big thank you to all of you faithful contributors and especially Claudia >> for this Bertie List and getting it going again. >> >> All of our life circumstances change, and some years >> we're more inclined to work on Bertie history and genealogy than >> others --- but everyone's help is always welcome and very much needed. >> >> I'm so glad that Claudia is paying attention to the broken links. It is >> so frustrating when you go to a page hoping for a possibility of something >> "really good" only to get the notice "Page not found". I confess that >> this was never my strong suit ! >> >> These broken links may be "errors in the coding" (any of you who have ever >> done HTML know how that might happen) or pages that MOVE !! It >> does seem like so many of our good pages connecting to NC Archives or >> Libraries keep right on growing, and as they grow, they reorganize and the >> result is that URL links get changed! >> >> So anytime you're on a page and find a link not working, do pass it along >> to this List or directly to Claudia. Giving the URL (just copy it out of >> your browser) for the page you are on when you discovered the link is >> critical. Below it give the specific link which isn't working. >> >> Rest assured that the basic material contributed by everyone is still >> there -- rarely is anything lost off a server -- so we just need to work >> to get the corrections made. >> >> We still have 277 Bertie Subscribers! Did you know the 1st message goes >> all the way back to 1980 -- Mike DeLoach posted it. He was our very first >> web master. >> >> Want a trip down memory lane -- you can Browse the List. >> >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncbertie/index.htm >> >From our MAIN page, look for the Search Box, and in small letters below >> >>> it, there are links to Browse and Search Mailing list. >>> >> Lots of people have contributed over the years -- some of which sadly are >> no longer with us except with their spirit -- and I know I appreciated so >> much working with all of you. >> >> So pass along the news to all your Bertie friends that we want to do some >> more building and adding to what has already been put on-line. >> >> If you are a NEW subscriber, then by all means, speak up and ask your >> questions. This is the friendliest list I've ever been on. Lots of help >> to anyone who asks. >> >> Meanwhile, even though I am no longer that active with Bertie, my heart is >> still with you all. >> >> Virginia Crilley >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NCBERTIE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCBERTIE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
In a message dated 07/21/09 22:38:42 Eastern Daylight Time, Mmaker52 writes: Just received the below listed email from Amiee Tynes-Floyd Hall. Amiee we are all sorry to hear of the passing of your father. Please accept my sympathy and prayers for you and yours Claudia Harrell Williams CC Bertie County An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! Subj:RE: Help Date:07/21/2009 10:35:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time From:Amiee12345 To:Mmaker52 Hello Claudia, I have just came home from Windsor, NC, Bertie County. I can't get on to site where people ask about many lines? Help!!!!!!! IN MEMORY GEORGE RUDOLPH FLOYD b. 4/4/24 d. 7/14/09 I lost my father last Tuesday at 9 PM. I would like Kin and Genealogy friends to know. Amelia Tynes-Floyd Hall Amiee A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps!
Just received the below listed email from Amiee Tynes-Floyd Hall. Amiee we are all sorry to hear of the passing of your father. Please accept my sympathy and prayers for you and yours Claudia Harrell Williams CC Bertie County
searching for my ggfather HOARD.? if you see this name i would like to know.? bob hoard -----Original Message----- From: ELIZABETH SCHOEB <schoeb2@msn.com> To: ncbertie@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 10:24 pm Subject: Re: [NCBERTIE] New Update Hi, Fot those worried that the Conaritsa Cemetary being overgrown it is not. I was by there today on the way from Aulander to Windsor to see my mothere and it has been cleaned off. I will be going by there in a week or so and will stop by and photograph the headstones if anyone needs the info. Elizabeth Johnson Schoeb ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCBERTIE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Virginia, This is Faye Wallace. I appreciate all the hard work you put into the Bertie Site over the years. I also appreciate all the hard work Claudia has been putting into the site. HTML is like greek to me-I know nothing about it. It takes special people like you, Claudia and all the other people who take interest and help to make this site number 1. --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Virginia Ruffin <v_ruffin@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Virginia Ruffin <v_ruffin@yahoo.com> Subject: [NCBERTIE] Our wonderful Bertie List! To: ncbertie@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 11:58 AM A big thank you to all of you faithful contributors and especially Claudia for this Bertie List and getting it going again. All of our life circumstances change, and some years we're more inclined to work on Bertie history and genealogy than others --- but everyone's help is always welcome and very much needed. I'm so glad that Claudia is paying attention to the broken links. It is so frustrating when you go to a page hoping for a possibility of something "really good" only to get the notice "Page not found". I confess that this was never my strong suit ! These broken links may be "errors in the coding" (any of you who have ever done HTML know how that might happen) or pages that MOVE !! It does seem like so many of our good pages connecting to NC Archives or Libraries keep right on growing, and as they grow, they reorganize and the result is that URL links get changed! So anytime you're on a page and find a link not working, do pass it along to this List or directly to Claudia. Giving the URL (just copy it out of your browser) for the page you are on when you discovered the link is critical. Below it give the specific link which isn't working. Rest assured that the basic material contributed by everyone is still there -- rarely is anything lost off a server -- so we just need to work to get the corrections made. We still have 277 Bertie Subscribers! Did you know the 1st message goes all the way back to 1980 -- Mike DeLoach posted it. He was our very first web master. Want a trip down memory lane -- you can Browse the List. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncbertie/index.htm >From our MAIN page, look for the Search Box, and in small letters below it, there are links to Browse and Search Mailing list. Lots of people have contributed over the years -- some of which sadly are no longer with us except with their spirit -- and I know I appreciated so much working with all of you. So pass along the news to all your Bertie friends that we want to do some more building and adding to what has already been put on-line. If you are a NEW subscriber, then by all means, speak up and ask your questions. This is the friendliest list I've ever been on. Lots of help to anyone who asks. Meanwhile, even though I am no longer that active with Bertie, my heart is still with you all. Virginia Crilley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NCBERTIE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Virginia, I am a subscriber to the Bertie web site and am ashamed to admit it but that is the truth. I donated some photo's to the classes of Roxobel/ Kelford school, since I donated them to the site my e-mail has changed, how do I get it changed on those pages? Julius Shoulars jshoulars @ cox.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia Ruffin" <v_ruffin@yahoo.com> To: <ncbertie@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:58 AM Subject: [NCBERTIE] Our wonderful Bertie List! >A big thank you to all of you faithful contributors and especially Claudia >for this Bertie List and getting it going again. > > All of our life circumstances change, and some years > we're more inclined to work on Bertie history and genealogy than > others --- but everyone's help is always welcome and very much needed. > > I'm so glad that Claudia is paying attention to the broken links. It is > so frustrating when you go to a page hoping for a possibility of something > "really good" only to get the notice "Page not found". I confess that > this was never my strong suit ! > > These broken links may be "errors in the coding" (any of you who have ever > done HTML know how that might happen) or pages that MOVE !! It > does seem like so many of our good pages connecting to NC Archives or > Libraries keep right on growing, and as they grow, they reorganize and the > result is that URL links get changed! > > So anytime you're on a page and find a link not working, do pass it along > to this List or directly to Claudia. Giving the URL (just copy it out of > your browser) for the page you are on when you discovered the link is > critical. Below it give the specific link which isn't working. > > Rest assured that the basic material contributed by everyone is still > there -- rarely is anything lost off a server -- so we just need to work > to get the corrections made. > > We still have 277 Bertie Subscribers! Did you know the 1st message goes > all the way back to 1980 -- Mike DeLoach posted it. He was our very first > web master. > > Want a trip down memory lane -- you can Browse the List. > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncbertie/index.htm >>From our MAIN page, look for the Search Box, and in small letters below >>it, there are links to Browse and Search Mailing list. > > Lots of people have contributed over the years -- some of which sadly are > no longer with us except with their spirit -- and I know I appreciated so > much working with all of you. > > So pass along the news to all your Bertie friends that we want to do some > more building and adding to what has already been put on-line. > > If you are a NEW subscriber, then by all means, speak up and ask your > questions. This is the friendliest list I've ever been on. Lots of help > to anyone who asks. > > Meanwhile, even though I am no longer that active with Bertie, my heart is > still with you all. > > Virginia Crilley > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NCBERTIE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message