Michael, thank you for posting such wonderful information. I enjoyed looking at it and plan to print it out and read it tonight. I was able to obtain a copy of Our Collins-Ives-Stokes-Venters- Hartsfield Family by Ralph S. Collins in the late 1980s or early 1990s. I had taken information from it to add to my database. I am not sure if Swan Ives was related to this family. I knew him as he had an insurance business in Bethel. To show how things are in life. I talked with him early one morning and the announcement of his death was in the paper the next day. My only problem with your posting is that I will be up tonight adding it to my database. But that will be fun. Again thank you. Bill