My father told me that Pitt County housed German prisoners of war and that he gave a soldier a candy bar one time. I've never seen anything in print about it. Paula Baker Researching Cole, Wilkerson, Norman, and White in Georgia, South Carolina, and Louisiana and Baker, Tyson, Manning, and Stocks in North Carolina "We are not free, separate, and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way." Thomas Mann ________________________________ From: Roger E. Kammerer <kammerer@hotmail.com> To: PCFR PCFR <nc-pcfr@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:27:59 AM Subject: [NC-PCFR] Geronimo's kin sue Skull and Bones for return of his bones Geronimo's kin sue Skull and Bones; Relatives of legendary Apache want secret Yale group to turn over remains updated 7:23 p.m. ET, Wed., Feb. 18, 2009 HARTFORD, Connecticut - Geronimo's descendants have sued Skull and Bones — the secret society at Yale University linked to presidents and other powerful figures — claiming that its members stole the remains of the legendary Apache leader decades ago and have kept them ever since. The federal lawsuit filed in Washington on Tuesday — the 100th anniversary of Geronimo's death — also names the university and the federal government. Geronimo's great-grandson Harlyn Geronimo said his family believes Skull and Bones members took some of the remains in 1918 from a burial plot in Fort Sill, Okla., to keep in its New Haven clubhouse, a crypt. The alleged graverobbing is a longstanding legend that gained some validity in recent years with the discovery of a letter from a club member that described the theft. "I believe strongly from my heart that his spirit was never released," Harlyn Geronimo said. Bushes, Kerry are members Both presidents George W. Bush and his father, George H. W. Bush, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry and many other men in powerful government and industry positions are members of the society, which is not affiliated with the university. After years of famously fighting the U.S. and Mexican armies, Geronimo and 35 warriors surrendered to Gen. Nelson A. Miles near the Arizona-New Mexico border in 1886. Geronimo was eventually sent to Fort Sill and died at the Army outpost of pneumonia in 1909. According to lore, members of Skull and Bones — including former President George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush — dug up his grave when a group of Army volunteers from Yale was stationed at the fort during World War I, taking his skull and some of his bones. Harlyn Geronimo, 61, wants those remains and any held by the federal government turned over to the family so they can be reburied near the Indian leader's birthplace in southern New Mexico's Gila Wilderness. "I want them to understand we mean business," said Harlyn Geronimo, who lives in New Mexico. "We're very serious. We're tired of waiting and we're coming after them." Their lawsuit also names President Barack Obama, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Army Secretary Pete Geren as defendants. Neither members of Skull and Bones, who closely guard their secrecy, nor the Russell Trust Association, the organization's business arm for tax purposes, could not be reached for comment. Justice Department spokesman Andrew Ames said the government will "review the complaint and respond in court at the appropriate time." Fort Sill spokeswoman Nancy Elliot declined to discuss the lawsuit, but said officials have always maintained there is no evidence supporting the descendants' claims. Yale officials declined to comment Wednesday, saying they had not yet seen the lawsuit. Membership into Skull and Bones marks the elite of the elite at the Ivy League school. Only 15 Yale seniors are asked to join each year. Fodder for conspiracy theorists Members swear an oath of secrecy about the group and its strange rituals, which include devotion to the number "322" and initiation rites such as confessing sexual secrets and kissing a skull. The atmosphere makes Skull and Bones favorite fodder for conspiracy theorists. Its most enduring story is the one concerning Geronimo's remains, and in 2005, Yale historian Marc Wortman discovered a letter written in 1918 from one Skull and Bones member to another that seemed to lend validity to the tale. The letter, sent to F. Trubee Davison by Winter Mead, said Geronimo's skull and other remains were taken from the leader's burial site, along with several pieces of tack for a horse. "The skull of the worthy Geronimo the Terrible, exhumed from its tomb at Fort Sill by your club and Knight Haffuer, is now safe inside the T — together with is well worn femurs, bit and saddle horn," Mead wrote. Wortman, however, has said he is skeptical the bones are actually Geronimo's. Geronimo's descendants say in their lawsuit that they want to uncover any information that people know, but have been keeping to themselves. If the bones at Yale aren't those of Geronimo, Harlyn Geronimo believes they belonged to one of the Apache prisoners who died at Fort Sill. He said they should still be returned. _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 Pitt County Family Researchers website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpcfr/ Message archives address: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=nc-pcfr ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NC-PCFR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Paula, My Dad used to talk about German POWs being housed close by. I think he told me they were at the prison in Maury in Greene Co. That was so many years ago that he talked about that......and he passed away 22 yrs. ago. I could be remembering "wrong". I can't answer any questions about it and this may not be accurate because these are very old and vague memories. Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula Baker" <paulabaker69@yahoo.com> To: <nc-pcfr@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 5:46 PM Subject: [NC-PCFR] WWI > My father told me that Pitt County housed German prisoners of war and that > he gave a soldier a candy bar one time. I've never seen anything in print > about it. > Paula Baker > Researching Cole, Wilkerson, Norman, and White in Georgia, South Carolina, > and Louisiana and > Baker, Tyson, Manning, and Stocks in North Carolina > > > "We are not free, separate, and independent entities, but like links in a > chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went > before us and showed us the way." > > > Thomas Mann > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Roger E. Kammerer <kammerer@hotmail.com> > To: PCFR PCFR <nc-pcfr@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:27:59 AM > Subject: [NC-PCFR] Geronimo's kin sue Skull and Bones for return of his > bones > > > Geronimo's kin sue Skull and Bones; Relatives of legendary Apache want > secret Yale group to turn over remains > > > > updated 7:23 p.m. ET, Wed., Feb. 18, 2009 > > HARTFORD, Connecticut - Geronimo's descendants have sued Skull and Bones — > the secret society at Yale University linked to presidents and other > powerful figures — claiming that its members stole the remains of the > legendary Apache leader decades ago and have kept them ever since. > The federal lawsuit filed in Washington on Tuesday — the 100th anniversary > of Geronimo's death — also names the university and the federal > government. > Geronimo's great-grandson Harlyn Geronimo said his family believes Skull > and Bones members took some of the remains in 1918 from a burial plot in > Fort Sill, Okla., to keep in its New Haven clubhouse, a crypt. The alleged > graverobbing is a longstanding legend that gained some validity in recent > years with the discovery of a letter from a club member that described the > theft. > "I believe strongly from my heart that his spirit was never released," > Harlyn Geronimo said. > > Bushes, Kerry are members > Both presidents George W. Bush and his father, George H. W. Bush, > Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry and many other men in powerful government > and industry positions are members of the society, which is not affiliated > with the university. > After years of famously fighting the U.S. and Mexican armies, Geronimo and > 35 warriors surrendered to Gen. Nelson A. Miles near the Arizona-New > Mexico border in 1886. Geronimo was eventually sent to Fort Sill and died > at the Army outpost of pneumonia in 1909. > According to lore, members of Skull and Bones — including former President > George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush — dug up his grave when a > group of Army volunteers from Yale was stationed at the fort during World > War I, taking his skull and some of his bones. > Harlyn Geronimo, 61, wants those remains and any held by the federal > government turned over to the family so they can be reburied near the > Indian leader's birthplace in southern New Mexico's Gila Wilderness. > "I want them to understand we mean business," said Harlyn Geronimo, who > lives in New Mexico. "We're very serious. We're tired of waiting and we're > coming after them." > Their lawsuit also names President Barack Obama, Defense Secretary Robert > Gates and Army Secretary Pete Geren as defendants. > Neither members of Skull and Bones, who closely guard their secrecy, nor > the Russell Trust Association, the organization's business arm for tax > purposes, could not be reached for comment. > Justice Department spokesman Andrew Ames said the government will "review > the complaint and respond in court at the appropriate time." > Fort Sill spokeswoman Nancy Elliot declined to discuss the lawsuit, but > said officials have always maintained there is no evidence supporting the > descendants' claims. > Yale officials declined to comment Wednesday, saying they had not yet seen > the lawsuit. > Membership into Skull and Bones marks the elite of the elite at the Ivy > League school. Only 15 Yale seniors are asked to join each year. > > Fodder for conspiracy theorists > Members swear an oath of secrecy about the group and its strange rituals, > which include devotion to the number "322" and initiation rites such as > confessing sexual secrets and kissing a skull. The atmosphere makes Skull > and Bones favorite fodder for conspiracy theorists. > Its most enduring story is the one concerning Geronimo's remains, and in > 2005, Yale historian Marc Wortman discovered a letter written in 1918 from > one Skull and Bones member to another that seemed to lend validity to the > tale. > The letter, sent to F. Trubee Davison by Winter Mead, said Geronimo's > skull and other remains were taken from the leader's burial site, along > with several pieces of tack for a horse. > "The skull of the worthy Geronimo the Terrible, exhumed from its tomb at > Fort Sill by your club and Knight Haffuer, is now safe inside the T — > together with is well worn femurs, bit and saddle horn," Mead wrote. > Wortman, however, has said he is skeptical the bones are actually > Geronimo's. > Geronimo's descendants say in their lawsuit that they want to uncover any > information that people know, but have been keeping to themselves. > If the bones at Yale aren't those of Geronimo, Harlyn Geronimo believes > they belonged to one of the Apache prisoners who died at Fort Sill. He > said they should still be returned. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to do more with Windows Live? 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