hello. my family is descended from one Elizabeth Bowden , b. 1825 in Oak Orchard,DE. d. 1919 in Maryland //she married Solomon Powell, b. 1828 in Worcester,MD to Levin Powell & Unknown d. 1909 in Maryland ( most of remnant family lived in Snow Hill - Boxiron- Girdletree area ) a daughter, Nancy Elnora b. 1861 in Maryland, d. 1943 in Maryland, married Peter T. Watson b. 1859 MD d. 1938 MD. personal family records do not extend beyond Elizabeth or Solomon. would appreciate any hints or info.

A Lister asked this question ... >> ... the Mingo Tribe in and around VA, and Chief John Logan, .c1770. >> Does anyone know what major group the Mingo tribe is part of (i.e. Shawnees)? ... and later commented : > Thanks to one and all who responded to my question about the Mingo Tribe. > Obviously, this is an mongrelized word. It should have been > Mingled, rather than Mingo. They seem to have been a conglomeration of > Indians, anticipating the average American's background. An amplification, and a book recommendation Mingo are indeed the independent, western Iroquois who, as i noted, shared kinship & social organization with the eastern Iroquois of what we know as the Six Nations Confederacy -- that is, Seneca, Cayuga, Oneida, Onondaga, & Mohawk -- but their villages would have included Miamis (Delawares), Shawnee, & others living / visiting / trading / adopting / inter-marrying. Despite the variety -- which was what you would find in just about every Great Lakes Indian village, whether of Algonquoin or Iroquoin linguistic culture -- make no mistake, these are a distinct people, not a 'mongrelized' <sic> or hodge-podge group. They were indeed Iroquois, albeit politically independent bands. Another lister supplied this quote, which when carefully read makes clear that Mingo were a distinct people. >"Even as the last of the Fox retired to their Wisconsin homeland, wandering >bands of Shawnee began moving back to the Ohio Valley. Other groups were >filtering in as well - Huron from the area around Detroit, Delaware >refugees from the Eastern seaboard, Munsee from New Jersey and even some >Iroquois splinter groups known as Mingos. " Finally, remember that what we now recognize as a "tribe," either in a formal, legal sense or as an historical term, among Great Lakes communities kinship and band are the forces behind cultural grouping; "tribe" can be somewhat meaningless when trying to distinguish, for instance, between Odawa & Ojibway at Michillimackinac. Richard White's THE MIDDLE GROUND: INDIANS. EMPIRES, AND REPUBLICS IN THE GREAT LAKES REGION, 1650-1815 demonstrates how far modern scholarship has taken us beyond the literature of Francis Parkman -- a real eye-opener. Regards - rdw < rdwinthrop@a1access.net >

>From the book, "Through Indian Eyes" The Untold Story of Native American Peoples, published by The Reader's Digest: "White Battles, Red Blood" "Even as the last of the Fox retired to their Wisconsin homeland, wandering bands of Shawnee began moving back to the Ohio Valley. Other groups were filtering in as well - Huron from the area around Detroit, Delaware refugees from the Eastern seaboard, Munsee from New Jersey and even some Iroquois splinter groups known as Mingos. At the same time, the first English traders began to arrive...." This is the only mention of Mingos in this book. Peggy, Maryland>Michigan ---------- > > ... the Mingo Tribe in and around VA, and Chief John Logan, .c1770. > > Does anyone know what major group the Mingo tribe is part of (i.e. Shawnees)? > > 'Mingo' refers mainly to western Iroquois who shared kinship & > social organization with the Six Nations Confederacy, but who > were politically independent of them -- generally Seneca, Cayuga > (including Logan's father), Oneida, Onondaga, & Mohawk, although > could also include Miamis & others, even stray Shawnee, living in > their villages. > > Regards - rdw < rdwinthrop@a1access.net >

Dear Listers, Thanks to one and all who responded to my question about the Mingo Tribe. Obviously, this is an mongrelized word. It should have been Mingled, rather than Mingo. They seem to have been a conglomeration of Indians, anticipating the average American's background. Tom

You wrote on Sat, 29 May 1999 19:38:57 -0700: >Dear Listers, > ... the Mingo Tribe in and around VA, and Chief John Logan, .c1770. > Does anyone know what major group the Mingo tribe is part of (i.e. Shawnees)? 'Mingo' refers mainly to western Iroquois who shared kinship & social organization with the Six Nations Confederacy, but who were politically independent of them -- generally Seneca, Cayuga (including Logan's father), Oneida, Onondaga, & Mohawk, although could also include Miamis & others, even stray Shawnee, living in their villages. Regards - rdw < rdwinthrop@a1access.net >

Dear Listers, I forgot the quote in my previous email: The frontier plantation was a scene of hardship and terror during a considerable part of Col. Noble's residence there, and probably up to his death in 1780, aged 65, at the home of his brother in Charles County. When the two young men built their cabin the Indians of the region were mainly peaceful, under the influence of that friend of the whites, Chief John Logan. In 1770 he had removed beyond the Ohio, and was then or sometime thereafter chosen chief of the Mingo tribe. Even this honor, and Logan's growing fondness for the white man's firewater did not alter his friendship with the settlers. Tom Tom, a descendant

Dear Listers, The following quote from an article about Lt Col. George Vallandingham brings up the Mingo Tribe in and around VA, and Cief John Logan, ca 1770. Does anyone know what major group the Mingo tribe is part of (i.e. Shawnees)? Lt Col Vallandingham appears to have wed one of the Indian ladies and produced several 1/2 Indian descendants. Tom Tom Tom

This might be helpful to someone: On the Delaware web site there is a letter from Ned Heite about Native Americans in the area. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/8074/state_de.htm There's more on the Heite Consulting (Cultural Resource Management/Archaeology) web site about finding "invisible" Indians. He gives ideas on census records, etc. Basically, while doing an archaeology project, they found that the descendants of the earlier Native Americans were still living in the area. It tells how they found out about them. http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html Marge Green

Does anyone know of the existence of any Native Americans in Harford County MD from 1840 - 1860? My older relatives claim my GGGrandmother was an indian and she was most likely born in that area - close to the PA border. Thanks, Leslie

RD, As regards the linguistic part of your query, the Anishinabe (Chippewa/Ojibwa) language would not be intelligible to a speaker of Virginia Algonquian, and vice-versa, of course, although they were relatively closely related (somewhat like English and German). Additionally, in Virginia the native languages had died out by the time of the Civil War, though vocabularies were collected from them which enables schalars to reconstruct certain aspects of them, such as grammar and the placement of them in the overall classification of the Algonquian family. Charles

sorry - i KNOW how to subscribe. just stupid tonight.... .... researching ROUGHCORN, RUFFCORN.... from MD, supposedly.... my gggg grandmother was Hester ROUGHCORN/RUFFCORN b MD about 1779, died westmoreland co, PA after 1850, before 1870... have been told she was native am - i am having a tough time of it ... i believe that she was the daughter of a Christian ROUGHCORN whom was living in frederick MD in the 1790 census records... as was the family of Peter SHANER. Hester ROUGHCORN married Daniel SHANER around 1798 (?) and had 2 of their 6 children in Maryland... (other people think she was the daughter of Simon RUFFCORN, who may have been living in the same household in 1790, and who was found in Fayette Co, PA (next to Westmo. Co) in the early 1800's... anyone searching these names??? any help would be appreciated... che zuro whiting

----- Original Message ----- From: Donald W. Fisher To: rdwinthrop@a1access.net ; NATIVEAMERICAN-DELMARVA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 06, 1999 9:30 PM Subject: In response to Carter: Civil War era Hello. I am new to the DelMarVa list, so I am not aware of previous discussions. However, your recent posting raised curiosities from my genealogical files. I am working on lines of mixed-blood folks who came from DE to MI in the 1850s. The surnames are mainly Perkins and Counsellor (and other spellings), but include Dean, Sisco, Durham and Sammons. Unfortunately, I have no records of Carter connections. There are some Cartys in Chicago who have married into the Perkins lines, and they are believed to have come from DE. I have in my files papers showing the records of a Thomas Counsellor who was killed in Civil War action 6/17/1864 at PETERSBURG VA. His parents were Elisha Counsellor (d. 3/12/1864) and Rebecca Dean Counsellor; Rebecca remarried to Mitchell Perkins in 1872. Thomas was 17 or 18 at his death. He was in Company C, infantry volunteers of Michigan, having enlisted early in 1864 and having been inducted in April or May. He and his family were located in Fulton Twp., Gratiot Co., MI. I also have papers regarding Rebecca's application for a mother's pension. The death location in your post is what caught my attention. Thomas was not listed as "colored", though he was described in the papers as having hazel eyes, brown hair, and a dark complexion. In the censuses, the family was usually referred to as mulatto. Also, you mentioned that you are in Lansing. Last fall, I visited the State of Michigan Library in Lansing. They have virtually all of the US census records from all of the states for all of the years; they also have both ONT and QUE censuses from Canada. If you aren't aware of this resource on your doorstep, please check it out. I will be travelling to MI in June and plan a couple of days at the library there. While I have an excellent genealogical library here in St. Louis, their holdings of census records doesn't begin to measure up to the library in Lansing. You asked several questions about census records; most of the answers should be available right there in Lansing. That is where I found most of the census info about my DE ancestry and its MI connections. I was completely unaware of any Indian connections regarding Walpole Island and that area. There were DE mixed blood people named Sammons who settled in Dresden ONT just a little to the east of Wallaceburg and Walpole Island. They were from the same DE community as my direct ancestry. And some of my Fisher ancestry (not directly connected with DE Indians except by marriage) is associated with Sandwich outside Windsor and with Chatham - also to the east nearer Niagara Falls. There are many Fishers associated with Lambton Co. and Sarnia, though I cannot at present connect them to my Fishers. About me, you should understand that I live now in St. Louis, MO, but I spent most of my adult life and raised my daughters in Chicago, IL. However, I myself was born and raised in Detroit, leaving there at age 26. It is just coincidence that my daughter has remained in Ann Arbor after attending college and then marrying there. I will spend my time in June visiting them but also chasing down cemeteries and doing some library work in Lansing. I have no data and no known connections with folk named Carter, but if I can be of any help to you, do not hesitate to ask. If you know of Perkins or Counsellor connections, I would be most happy to know about it. Don Donald W. Fisher dwfrft@mindspring.com

Dear Listers, There are many tales in my Shipp family about being descended from Ms Pocahontas. They center on one woman who married Thomas Shipp in Essex or Carloine Co., VA about 1747. Her first name was Rachel and we do not know her last name. Ther are only a few families she could be from and still be a descendant of Ms P. That means about a four generation difference between her and her famous ancestor. The first generation is easy--Rolfe, her only child. Then there are the Bollings and a few others. It shhouldn't be hard to prove or disprove. But I haven't been able to do either. It makes a difference to me and to President Truman's family, because Rachel was an ancestor of his as well as mine. Ideas would always be welcome. Tom

Hoping to identify origins & family of Civil War veteran CHARLES CARTER who, in 1864, enlisted in an all-Anishnaabek (Odawa / Ojibway / Potawatomi) Company of the First Michigan Sharpshooters and shortly thereafter was killed in the Battle of the Crater, Petersburg VA. Here's what I have : Muster papers make clear CARTER was about age 21, "Indian," fairly tall, dark-complected with black hair. For purposes of the wartime draft, he was credited as a Maryland enlistment, and there is mention in the Michigan Adjutant General's report for the year as being from Walpole Island, a significant Ojibway reserve on the Canadian side of Lake St. Clair, near Detroit. Suspect that CARTER was from Virginia only because it is a common-enough name to the area, and <somewhere ?> ran across some Powhatan names that appeared to be "borrowed," including CARTER. A look through Helen Rountree's historical work on Virginia & DelMarVa Indians and a little help from my friends has produced four research paths to follow, and I'd appreciate any & all information, recommendations, free advice anyone cares to offer me. #1 Rountree's EASTERN SHORE INDIANS OF VIRGINIA AND MARYLAND (1997) indicates Carters living near the tip of the DelMarVa Peninsula (Northampton Co., VA) as 17th century Gingaskins. Could have been a "citizen Indian" enlisting in a unit which had many like-minded men. Can anyone check census data from 1840-1860 for Indian (or, perhaps, "colored") CARTERs? #2 Rountree's POCAHONTAS'S PEOPLE (1990) confirmed that Pamunkey and Chickahominey expatriates made their way into Canadian Ojibway populations (Walpole Island was one of the larger Ojibway communities between Niagara and Detroit). Anyone know where I might look into these expatriates, again in period 1840-60, on chance CARTERs were among these migrants? #3 Same source also noted that local Pamunkey joined federal forces in 1863, and several were expelled from rolls of Colosee Baptist Church. Rountree cites Minute Book of church, which I assume is still in its possession -- can anyone locate the Minutes Book or provide an address of the church? #4 The possibility of a Cumberland Co. North Carolina origin. If anyone has access to the 1850 & 1860 NC (Cumberland Co.) census rolls and cares to check for Carters, I"d appreciate it. I have a "genealogy" question, and two general questions that I'd appreciate advice on as well. *** ? Are there online sources I should investigate ? *** ? How much difficulty would an Anishnaabek have speaking to a Powhatan, vice-versa ? Language stock is the same, but how much difference is there in practice between Great Lakes and the Tidewater ? *** ? In census data of 1840 - 1860, would Indians be enumerated as Indian, or as "colored" or would there be no such designation ? How might data from Maryland and Virginia differ in this regard ? How about in North Carolina ? [All I know of Virginia "racial identity" law & custom is from Rountree, which suggests shifting and uncertain enumeration.] Again, appreciate anyone taking time to help me with this -- I'm located in Lansing, Michigan and able to reciprocate if anyone needs some help with data I can find up here. Regards, R D Winthrop < rdwinthrop@a1access.net >

Dear Listers, Through years of accidental discoveries, I have determined that my fifth greatgrandfather sired a half-Indian son in 1761. He lived in Fairfax Co., VA. The father was Lt. Col. George Vallandigham, b. 1737. He was in Dunmore's War and the Rev. War. Therefore he was around the Indians of Delaware and VA about 1760 when he was looking for a wife. Later, George had a second family with Eliz.Noble. A grandson, Clement Vallandigham, was the real "Man Without a Country." The second family never admitted to the first one. I have no idea which tribe the first wife came from. She could have been a daughter of Cornstalk, for all I know. Ideas for research would be most appreciated. Tom

Every since I can remember, I have known there was an Indian in my family background. But, I don't know what tribe he was from or anything about him. The story goes that his name was Nut Mohawk from a tribe in Virginia. He married a young lady who was not Indian and was not looked on with favor by his tribe, so he changed his name to Hull Wroten (Wroten was his wife's maiden name. Does anybody have any information about this person. I would greatly appreciate knowing if this story is true. Barbara Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathleen Burnett <kathleenburnett@earthlink.net> To: <NATIVEAMERICAN-DELMARVA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 7:23 PM Subject: [NativeAmericanDelmarva] From List Mom - Special Roll Call > Dear List Members, > > Lets have a special Roll Call. I would like for each of you to let your > fellow list members know some of the following. > > What state you are from. > How long you have been on the list. > How long you have been researching your Native American ancestry. > What Native American Tribe do you descend from or are researching. > > > I look forward to hearing from each of you. > > Kathleen Burnett > List Mom > Logan, Utah > 2 years as List Mom > Have been researching my Native American ancestry for over 30 years > Can't prove my connection. As close as I can get is my Great Grandmother > Broom was known as "Black Dutch" and came from Pickens and Oconee Co., > SC. >