Greetings. I regret my remarks were considered patronizing. My intent was solely to remind ourselves of the important purpose of this group and to urge that we deal with anything else on a person-to-person basis rather than through the network. Best regards. Rarihokwats <four_arrows@canada.com> sadercat wrote: > > I fail to understand your patronizing remark. The last time I checked I was > perfectly calm. The man posted a false statement that anyone who just > happens to belong to a non-profit group would cause the group to lose its > tax-exempt status for expressing their opinion. He is wrong. Unless the > person making those statements is acting as an agent of a group when doing > so, any comments made belong to the individual, not the group. As such, his > statement is wrong. People who don't know how the laws work and then spread > their false beliefs mislead others and should be corrected. There are > enough falsehoods put out on these lists. I would think you would > appreciate someone making sure the information is correct. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rarihokwats Rarihokwats <four_arrows@canada.com> > To: <NATIVEAMERICAN-DELMARVA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 8:22 AM > Subject: A good Spring morning to everyone! > > > Greetings, everyone. This is grandpa speaking. Time to have a smudge of > > sweetgrass and a good cup of tea, calm down, and then get back to our > > important work of genealogy. If we don't, who will? > > > > Best regards to you all. > > > > Rarihokwats > > <four_arrows@canada.com> > > > > > > > > sadercat wrote: > > > > > > Unless you are acting as an agent of the organization, you do not speak > for > > > it, hence this is untrue. Someone could try to make a case for it, but > > > private citizens have the right to voice their opinions. I would > suggest > > > not having a signature line that advertises your 501(c)(3) (not just c3) > > > group. > > > > > > As for encouraging people to lie about their origins, I think most of > the > > > posts here have been more in favor of NOT claiming something you can't > prove > > > than the other way around. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Thomas F Brown <tombrown@jhu.edu> > > > To: <NATIVEAMERICAN-DELMARVA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 8:25 PM > > > Subject: Re: Subject: FACT SHEET 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > Is your organization a c3 nonprofit? If so, you are illegally engaging > > > > in political lobbying by continually posting here and encouraging > people > > > > to subvert the Census Bureau's attempt to collect accurate data. > > > > Your organization's non-profit status could be revoked for > > > > such actions. > > > > > > > > Not to mention that you're encouraging people to be dishonest > > > > about who they are and where their families came from. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > > > > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > > > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > > > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > > > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > ============================== > > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

I fail to understand your patronizing remark. The last time I checked I was perfectly calm. The man posted a false statement that anyone who just happens to belong to a non-profit group would cause the group to lose its tax-exempt status for expressing their opinion. He is wrong. Unless the person making those statements is acting as an agent of a group when doing so, any comments made belong to the individual, not the group. As such, his statement is wrong. People who don't know how the laws work and then spread their false beliefs mislead others and should be corrected. There are enough falsehoods put out on these lists. I would think you would appreciate someone making sure the information is correct. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rarihokwats Rarihokwats <four_arrows@canada.com> To: <NATIVEAMERICAN-DELMARVA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 8:22 AM Subject: A good Spring morning to everyone! > Greetings, everyone. This is grandpa speaking. Time to have a smudge of > sweetgrass and a good cup of tea, calm down, and then get back to our > important work of genealogy. If we don't, who will? > > Best regards to you all. > > Rarihokwats > <four_arrows@canada.com> > > > > sadercat wrote: > > > > Unless you are acting as an agent of the organization, you do not speak for > > it, hence this is untrue. Someone could try to make a case for it, but > > private citizens have the right to voice their opinions. I would suggest > > not having a signature line that advertises your 501(c)(3) (not just c3) > > group. > > > > As for encouraging people to lie about their origins, I think most of the > > posts here have been more in favor of NOT claiming something you can't prove > > than the other way around. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Thomas F Brown <tombrown@jhu.edu> > > To: <NATIVEAMERICAN-DELMARVA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 8:25 PM > > Subject: Re: Subject: FACT SHEET 2000 > > > > > > > > Is your organization a c3 nonprofit? If so, you are illegally engaging > > > in political lobbying by continually posting here and encouraging people > > > to subvert the Census Bureau's attempt to collect accurate data. > > > Your organization's non-profit status could be revoked for > > > such actions. > > > > > > Not to mention that you're encouraging people to be dishonest > > > about who they are and where their families came from. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > > > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > > > > > > ============================== > > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >

Greetings, everyone. This is grandpa speaking. Time to have a smudge of sweetgrass and a good cup of tea, calm down, and then get back to our important work of genealogy. If we don't, who will? Best regards to you all. Rarihokwats <four_arrows@canada.com> sadercat wrote: > > Unless you are acting as an agent of the organization, you do not speak for > it, hence this is untrue. Someone could try to make a case for it, but > private citizens have the right to voice their opinions. I would suggest > not having a signature line that advertises your 501(c)(3) (not just c3) > group. > > As for encouraging people to lie about their origins, I think most of the > posts here have been more in favor of NOT claiming something you can't prove > than the other way around. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Thomas F Brown <tombrown@jhu.edu> > To: <NATIVEAMERICAN-DELMARVA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 8:25 PM > Subject: Re: Subject: FACT SHEET 2000 > > > > > Is your organization a c3 nonprofit? If so, you are illegally engaging > > in political lobbying by continually posting here and encouraging people > > to subvert the Census Bureau's attempt to collect accurate data. > > Your organization's non-profit status could be revoked for > > such actions. > > > > Not to mention that you're encouraging people to be dishonest > > about who they are and where their families came from. > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/

Kathy...what a great site! I will let you know if i find anything...thanks! kris

Hello, Thought I would let you all know that I have been working on my Native Genealogy Resources page, now includes over 85 links specifically for those of Native American heritage. Feel free to browse the site, hopefully find a link to something useful in your search, and suggest a link if you like. And feel free to pass the link on to those who you think might get use of it. http://members.tripod.com/~KHuish/native.htm Enjoy! Kathy ---- <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~KHuish/index.html">Firstmom's Genealogy Resources and Records</A> as seen on: <A HREF="http://www.worldwide-top100.net/tops5/rankem.cgi?action=in&id=firstmom"> WorldWide Top 100 Genealogy Sites</A>

Hello and thanks to everyone who answered my questions on Native Americans in the Delmarva Peninsula. The Heite site was very informative, and I will soon be getting Rountree's book on this topic. I'm also hoping to make my first trip to the area in Summer 2001, and will ask later for suggestions for that. Jacqui in Massachusetts

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I have been writng a story ,and doing research on them ..these are some good sites =) ~Wnd <A HREF="http://www.web-savvy.com/river/schuylkill/schuylkill2.html">The Schuylkill River Watershed</A> <A HREF="http://www.web-savvy.com/river/schuylkill/new_lenape.html">The Lenape Language</A> <A HREF="http://www.delawaretribeofindians.nsn.us/index.html">Delaware (Lenape) Tribe of Indians: Homepage</A> <A HREF="http://www.dickshovel.com/dela.html">Delaware</A> <A HREF="http://www.academic.marist.edu/papers/lenape/lenape.htm">Native Americans in the Hudson Valley</A> <A HREF="http://www.lenape.org/">Lenni Lenape Historical Society / Museum of Indian Culture - Welcome</A> <A HREF="http://www.web-savvy.com/river/Schuylkill/lenape.html">Lenni Lenape< /A> <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/Donh523/navapage/lenni.htm">The Flag of the Lenni Lenape or Eastern Delaware</A>

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Does anyone have information about Delaware Indians and Gouldtown New Jersey?

>Thanks, Marge, for this really very interesting, well done paper or >link. Don't know yet where my West Virginia Cisco, Francisco, Sisco >line came from, but found this discussion fascinating. Also noted the >Muntz/Munce surname and others like Butcher that I have seen on other >lists.... Does anyone know about the Native and Swedish population of >Cecil County, Maryland? There are several lines of Siscos (and related spellings). The one originating in Delmarva begins with John Francisco, who lived in Northampton Co. as a free Negro by 1650 or so. See Douglas Deals' book. Also see Paul Heinegg's website for more on this line. There are other lines originating farther north, in NJ and NY, but I don't know anything about them.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1435D27A95 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CHARLES MOUNTS ANDERSON, Indian Trader, is anyone familiar with this man and his area??? Brenda --------------1435D27A95 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <38B2491B.69B7@sssnet.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 00:30:19 -0800 From: "Bruce D. Sampsel" <bsam@sssnet.com> Reply-To: bsam@sssnet.com Organization: Stark Summint SuperNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AMERIND-US-SE-L@cultures.rootsweb.com Subject: Cecil Co. Maryland Indian Traders Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following link discusses Israel Friend, Madame La Tort, Charles Mounts Anderson, and the area of Cecil Co., Maryland. Is any one familiar with these traders and this area? Thanks, Brenda http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvclay/israel.htm --------------1435D27A95--

Munea, Thanks so much for the information. I would like to know more about the Muncie... where did the name come from? Brenda Munea Redfeather wrote: > > He'Everyone, > In the Lenape' Nation there were several dialects spoken, two of them > were Unami and Muncie. Unami was spoken along the southern bands along > beaches. Muncie was spoken in the northern stony parts among Upper Pa, > NY areas. > Good be to you. Munea > > http://community.webtv.net/MRedfeather/RedfeathersLodge

Not for profit or gain...I would like to find out for my husband and for my kids what if any Cherokee blood they have....the story and some census records go back to Randolph County WV...there was some kind of battle...an infant of the Cherokee tribe was hidden by the mother...the infant was found and adopted by the white family who found him...it is his granddaughter that my husband descends from...what kind of proof would there be of this?...how do I find it?...the surname of the adoptive family was McCauley and the supposed child's name is found in the 1860 census for that area...infact there is a jr and sr with this name...so possibly he gave his name to adoptive son...just a thought and would appreciated any help... April Brown pab@cfw.com

I have enjoyed the post on the Kent Delaware and other area's on Indian and other mixed marriages and other interesting information. . I just could not stop reading all the good information. I kept thinking of my ancestor John Bethard born Kent Co Delaware in about 1824- 1826 . It is reported his grandmother was Indian. Thanks MW

Thanks, Marge, for this really very interesting, well done paper or link. Don't know yet where my West Virginia Cisco, Francisco, Sisco line came from, but found this discussion fascinating. Also noted the Muntz/Munce surname and others like Butcher that I have seen on other lists.... Does anyone know about the Native and Swedish population of Cecil County, Maryland? Thanks, Brenda Margaret Green wrote: > > From being on several lists in the past couple of months, > Indians intermarried both black and white. When the persecution > was bad, many who were mixed white blood "passed" for white and > blended into the neighborhood. Much of the time the records only > contained the choices of black, white, mulatto, free persons of > color. Indians didn't count and were thrown into the other > designations. For a discussion of racial designations of Indians > and an interesting genealogy/archaeology report, "Delaware's > Invisible Indians" see > http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html > Marge Green > > JEPOISSON@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Yesterday I was reading in Whitelaw's Virginia's Eastern Shore, published > > 1951. He said about Native Americans in the area that "Their blood remains > > only as a mixture with that of the Negro race." > > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

From being on several lists in the past couple of months, Indians intermarried both black and white. When the persecution was bad, many who were mixed white blood "passed" for white and blended into the neighborhood. Much of the time the records only contained the choices of black, white, mulatto, free persons of color. Indians didn't count and were thrown into the other designations. For a discussion of racial designations of Indians and an interesting genealogy/archaeology report, "Delaware's Invisible Indians" see http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html Marge Green JEPOISSON@aol.com wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Yesterday I was reading in Whitelaw's Virginia's Eastern Shore, published > 1951. He said about Native Americans in the area that "Their blood remains > only as a mixture with that of the Negro race." >

Look here Mr Brown, you want to talk about dishonesty. Well the US Government told my sister when she was signing up to be a census taker "if a person says that they are white and look black, put down black. If they say they are black and look white put down white. The same with Indian's." So do not talk to me about dishonesty. Nothing more than conversation is going on on this list. That, is still a first amendment right.

Unless you are acting as an agent of the organization, you do not speak for it, hence this is untrue. Someone could try to make a case for it, but private citizens have the right to voice their opinions. I would suggest not having a signature line that advertises your 501(c)(3) (not just c3) group. As for encouraging people to lie about their origins, I think most of the posts here have been more in favor of NOT claiming something you can't prove than the other way around. ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas F Brown <tombrown@jhu.edu> To: <NATIVEAMERICAN-DELMARVA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 8:25 PM Subject: Re: Subject: FACT SHEET 2000 > > Is your organization a c3 nonprofit? If so, you are illegally engaging > in political lobbying by continually posting here and encouraging people > to subvert the Census Bureau's attempt to collect accurate data. > Your organization's non-profit status could be revoked for > such actions. > > Not to mention that you're encouraging people to be dishonest > about who they are and where their families came from. > > > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi >