I thought this group was here to help each other. I am new to this group and so far have found it helpful. The list Kim posted and I recieved was truely appreciated. I was not on here in June, and did not know it was given out before. I am probably not the only person who is new to this group and appreciated the help. Thank You for the help 8^) Ed ____________________________________ ancient@ptdprolog.net (Prolog) Come to the cliff, he said. They said they are afraid. Come to the cliff he said. They came. He pushed them. And they flew. Teachers get to push.