Hi All! And especially to all those descendants of Pierre MORIN-dit-BOUCHER and Marie MARTIN who have communicated with me over the years. I realize it’s been quite some time and I still haven’t gotten through all the wonderful sources, references, etc. sent to me as much as a couple of years ago but I just wanted everyone to know that I’m still slowly working my way through them, and I’ll eventually get to yours and communicate again. Not to make excuses, but I’ve gone through a lot of very painful episodes over the last couple of years with my kidneys and prostate which have kept me much slower over sometimes many months at a time. But I’m starting to feel better now so you should begin to notice something soon. I thought Pierre and Marie’s descendants would be interested in this: http://morintrek.ning.com/ It’s a Trek being run by Gérard BOYER (Gerard - 1st “e” accented*) who lives fairly close to the Antoine MORIN (my G-GPa) property and Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. He is connected through Antoine’s son Philippe and grandson George and was born in Rockland (which is where my maternal GPa was born) and grew up there and in Cumberland. For you English-only individuals, he is also a fully bilingual French-English-Canadien and will handle translation problems (along with others who will show up I’m sure) during the trek through Quebec and the Maritimes to Annapolis-Royal. Personally I’m still in the situation where I’m trying to determine if my own health is good enough yet to attempt this, so I haven’t confirmed yet. At the moment my wife doesn’t feel I’m able so I guess it depends on whether I listen to her or not/believe her or not. Al Doherty (Mother was a MORIN) Pickering, Ontario, Canada P.S. * I’ve started to note French accented words as above because of the mangling some servers the messages go through do to the language. I’d suggest others on the list do the same.

Osiyo, I read with a great deal of interest your post to Renee about the Susquehannock Tribe. I noted that you are a member of the Ani-Giduhwa O'Ouka of the Tsalagi tribe. I have been trying to figure out the tribal affiliations of my Newberry family for about fifteen years. The family stories say Tsalagi and the DNA says Tsalagi/Haudenosaunee or a great lakes area tribe. It's isn't specific enough and it certainly doesn't give me much about the people themselves. My family was from CT through NY to PA and Ohio - eventually they ended up in SW Iowa. This over a 150 year period 1740 to 1880. They seem to have avoided sticking with the tribes, but were early Mormons, which is the ONLY way I have found anything concrete on their ethnicity. My great grandfather personally knew their prophet and his brother. Giduhwa has come to me many times in my work as being important, though I have no idea what to make of it. I have studied the Cherokee but the answers have not really become clear. Do you have any suggestions on where I can continue to search to find this info? Thanking you in advance for your kind consideration of my query. Wado, Sue

I want to tell you a story/legend involving the Susquehannock Tribe and one of my ancestors. I am still looking for the tribal name of my Osborn ancestor and any available information. I am a member of the Ani-Giduhwa O'Ouka of the Tsalagi tribe. My contact TenBears is now deceased. He never did give me the direct lineage of 'Chief' Osborn nor his tribal name, etc. -1663 From The Maryland Genealogical Society Bulletin, Winter 1992, Volume 33, Number 1: The Osborne Question by A. Russell Slagle: �[William] Osborne�s eldest son was stolen by the Susquehannock Indians. Pursuit was made and the Indians were followed across the bay, but the child was never recovered. Osborne never saw his son again, but the captive was kindly treated. The father was informed by an old chief that the lost boy was living and had become a chief among the red men, and he is said to have signed a treaty between William Penn and the Indians in 1682.� In this article Mr. Slagle speculates that �the kidnapped Osborne boy�s name was probably Thomas�, he goes on to write, �At all events Thomas was kidnapped by Indians in 1663, at the time of the Indian Massacre.� and �The William Osborne of Bush River was probably married for the first time around 1653, and Thomas was born shortly afterwards [1654-1655].� -1682 From The Benzetown Bard March 11, ???? Lost Towns on Bush River: Mr. McKinsey wrote �What was perhaps the earliest case of kidnapping in the State of Maryland took place at Old Baltimore, but the kidnappers were a far craftier type of villains than the modern streamlined snatchers of children and old men. They were Indians, in this case Susquehannocks, their act being attributed to vengeance. In June 1637 the Nanticoles complained to the whites at �Old Baltimore� that one of their members, whom they described as the �mad Indian� had been murdered at Bush River by three white men, one of whom was a servant of Mrs. Stansberry, who lived there. The Indians complained that these men had not been properly punished for their crime and so they started counter-outrages, beginning by murdering the head of a family named Evock, on Middle River. The Susquehannocks then took up the cudgels for the persecuted Red man and succeeded in kidnapping the eldest son of William Osborne, who had built the first house in Old Baltimore and owned the ferry there, which was operated for him by Philip Phillips, a member of the family, whose old burial grounds is one of the present landmarks aiding in the location of the vanished town. The kidnappers were vigorously pursued, even being followed across the Chesapeake , but Osborne never saw his son again, though in later years he was informed by an old chief that the lost boy was living, was kindly treated, and had become a chief among the Red Men; and the legend even goes further, goes, in fact to the extent of saying that it was this adopted chieftain, of the Susquehannocks, that signed the treaty between Penn and the Indians in 1682� Note: William Penn - Treaty With the Indians 1682 at Shackamaxon �the verbal treaty made between William Penn and an Indian Chief, regarding the land, Pennsylvania, which had been granted to Penn by the King of England. (Shackamaxon or Shakamaxon was a village inhabited by Delaware (Lenape) Indians, located in what are now the borders of the city of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. In 1682, William Penn reportedly signed a treaty with the leaders of the Delaware village � although this treaty cannot be conclusively authenticated) -1744 From TenBears (Gordon Para Wa Samen O'Owatie, Paramount Principal Chief Ani-Giduhwa O'Ouka of the Tsalagi) has told me, in reference to the kidnapped Osborne boy: �Your ancestor is listed as being of descent of John Rolfe and Pocahontas, whose mother was Tsalagi (Cherokee). In your case, the Osborne [boy] was passed off to the Tsalagi (Cherokee), and was raised as a Tsalagi, and married into the Tsalagi. The Osbornes married into the Tsalagi (Cherokee) Mattripony, Panmunkeys, and Catawba Nations. Your affiliation shakes out in the Cherokee Nation. We also doubled checked the Dr Emmett Starr directory to make sure, and then shook down a few more trees to be doubly sure. He did sit at a treaty of 1744 in Lancaster, Penna in the Houdensaunee Delegation. Last we track him he is with Dragging Canoe in 1774. You have a line that goes back a long way, beyond the 1300's if you will only listen and accept." Note: The Treaty of 1744 [June] The focus of this treaty was a land dispute between Virginia, Maryland, and the Iroquois League. Pennsylvania arranged the treaty council in an attempt to play the role of honest broker. Virginia and Maryland agreed to attend because the Iroquois threatened to forcibly extract payment from frontier settlements, which they claimed had encroached upon their lands. This threat was relayed through Pennsylvania. (The Haudenosaunee, a confederation of Nations comprised of the Mohawk Nation, Oneida Nation, Onondaga Nation, Cayuga .Nation, Seneca Nation and Tuscarora Nation.) Note: Tsi'yu-gunsini (Dragging Canoe) was born ca. 1738 Died: March 1, 1792 Note: If Thomas �Chief� Osborn was born in 1664 he would be 80 years old in 1774 -1774 Dragging Canoe... and the Quebec Act of 1774�. The last day of the Lancaster Treaty Council was in the Courthouse in Lancaster on July 4, 1774� Posted: April, 2009 On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:56:04 EDT Reneelwaring@aol.com writes: Hi Everyone. ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOVoIXZ5FrDe0ROSQwbcQIyZ3rRql3PuYfh96XOT4ilJhqLFhOzrK/

Hi Everyone. The "Indian Lands" county park in York County, PA is having it's grand opening ceremony on Oct. 17th, 2009 from 9am to 3pm. This park is located on the last known site of an ancient Susquehannock village and grave yard and has been preserved by they county of York. The word is getting out and many descendants will be there. If you are interested contact me and I will send you maps to get there. Renee L. Waring

I've looked at the Dawes lists, contacted people who are on the Hart side of the family and attempted to find information in the U.S. Federal Census in Indiana, years 1830 and up regarding the Samuel McWhorter Young family.  My ggreat grand mother, Mary Young Hart, died in Oklahoma, ca 1910.  What other information do you need?  Mary Young's father was Joseph M. Young. Thank you ---- Original Message ----- rom: <Goldsage@aol.com> o: <na-family-legends@rootsweb.com> ent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:38 PM ubject: Re: [NA-FAMILY-LEGENDS] Cherokee-white marriage You need to give more information than what you have provided to expect an answer. Where have you looked? We can possibly offer suggestions if there was more to go on. In a message dated 6/1/2009 6:32:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nancyinreston@aol.com writes: I am looking for the name of a Cherokee woman who married a white man.? This Cherokee woman was my great grandmother's great grandmother.? My great grandmother's maiden name was Hart. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NA-FAMILY-LEGENDS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NA-FAMILY-LEGENDS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NA-FAMILY-LEGENDS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

I am trying to find the parents of my gg grandmother whose name before marriage was Ruth McMenis/McMinis. She was born in 1817 in Tennessee. I don't know the county. dsteele07@windstream.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <Goldsage@aol.com> To: <na-family-legends@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [NA-FAMILY-LEGENDS] Cherokee-white marriage > You need to give more information than what you have provided to expect > an > answer. Where have you looked? We can possibly offer suggestions if > there > was more to go on. > > > In a message dated 6/1/2009 6:32:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > nancyinreston@aol.com writes: > > I am looking for the name of a Cherokee woman who married a white man.? > This Cherokee woman was my great grandmother's great grandmother.? My > great > grandmother's maiden name was Hart. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NA-FAMILY-LEGENDS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ > diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. > (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml > cntnew00000007) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NA-FAMILY-LEGENDS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You need to give more information than what you have provided to expect an answer. Where have you looked? We can possibly offer suggestions if there was more to go on. In a message dated 6/1/2009 6:32:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nancyinreston@aol.com writes: I am looking for the name of a Cherokee woman who married a white man.? This Cherokee woman was my great grandmother's great grandmother.? My great grandmother's maiden name was Hart. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NA-FAMILY-LEGENDS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007)

I am looking for the name of a Cherokee woman who married a white man.? This Cherokee woman was my great grandmother's great grandmother.? My great grandmother's maiden name was Hart.

Her first name was Ellen and she often went by Ella. Her father was Josephus Wilson, her mother Martha "Patsy" Oliver. She married Charles L. Johnson in Buffalo, Dallas County, MO. Where she resided with her uncle John S. Wilson and his wife Missouri Eoff Wilson. According to her obituary, Ellen was born 27 Feb 1868 in Toronto Mills, Missouri She married Charles L. Johnson (son of William Johnson and Sabra Ann McKinney) 27 August 1889. She died in 1932 in Stover, Missouri while living with her son, William. Her father was born 15 Aug 1846 in Camden County, Missouri the son of Sampson Wilson Born 1813 in unknown location and Eliza Givens born 1821 in Pulaski County, Missouri. I've been able to trace her grandmother and her mother back several generations and am unable to locate any NA blood. I know her paternal great grandfather came to Missouri in the very early days of the territory. His wife's name was Sarah and census information says she was born in Georgia. That's all I know about them. James would have been born approximately 1789 and his wife was born about 1794. Any help you can provide would be VERY appreciated!! Thanks Norma In a message dated 5/16/2009 10:04:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Jacnrg@aol.com writes: Was her first name Lucy? Married name Green? otherwise give me any known names places and dates. I found an M. Wilson b in Missouri in 1868, in Kansas in 1875, a married Lucy M. to teacher Elaska Green in Missouri with 2 sons at home in 1920. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377005x1201454319/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May Excfooter51609NO62)

Was her first name Lucy? Married name Green? otherwise give me any known names places and dates. I found an M. Wilson b in Missouri in 1868, in Kansas in 1875, a married Lucy M. to teacher Elaska Green in Missouri with 2 sons at home in 1920. Eagle Little In a message dated 5/16/2009 3:04:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, na-family-legends-request@rootsweb.com writes: My great great grandmother put in her family Bible that she was one half Ojibwa. I've found both her lineage and the only missing piece who "COULD" be NA would be her grandfather. But even if he were full blood, she would only be 1/4. However, I cannot for the life of me figure out why she would say she was NA if she wasn't. She was in Missouri, born 1868. Her maiden name was Wilson and she claimed her middle name of Montez was her NA name... Anyone have any ideas?? **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377005x1201454319/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May Excfooter51609NO62)

My great great grandmother put in her family Bible that she was one half Ojibwa. I've found both her lineage and the only missing piece who "COULD" be NA would be her grandfather. But even if he were full blood, she would only be 1/4. However, I cannot for the life of me figure out why she would say she was NA if she wasn't. She was in Missouri, born 1868. Her maiden name was Wilson and she claimed her middle name of Montez was her NA name... Anyone have any ideas?? In a message dated 5/14/2009 9:45:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kdonahue@centurytel.net writes: Given that it was not a popular thing to be Indian in white communities before, say, the Vietnam War, or the 1960's, stories of Indian blood in families should be regarded as true. If there was Indian blood, before that time, the story of it was usually suppressed; or passed on from generation to generation, quietly or secretly. There was no gain in being Indian in white society; only on Indian reservations or where Indian enrollment was concerned, was it important to be "really" Indian. Otherwise, before the 1920's Indians were not US Citizens and, therefore, were not to own land or vote or be enumerated on the US Census (though many were). In white society, where land was survival, itself, mixed blood Indian families kept their ethnicity quiet or secret; passing as mulatto (mixed black and white), Black Dutch, Black Irish.....never Indian, if they could help it. Stories of Indian blood that survive today ought to be taken as truthful, given the difficulty in keeping th! em alive, especially if they were whispered by relatives who were born before the 1920's.....or, even, before the 1960's. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823239x1201398650/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May Excfooter51509NO62)

In my family I have a distant cousin who has been studying our shared line. He said that his family always maintained that a certain person (sister to my great-grandmother) was part Native American. As he researched, he found out that this was not true. Now he is researching to see if there is a Native American a little further back (mid-1700s KY area). Question: anyone have an idea as to how often these family stories of Native American ancestry are just not true? Growing up, I had been told my Mom's family descended from a Creek Chief in AL. That Chief was part white and part Creek, so he had a "white" name. His last name was the same as my Mom's family. I suppose that is why they thought he was our ancestor. I do not have a link to his father yet, but I have enough to know he was a distant cousin rather than an ancestor! Even though he was only a cousin, I will claim as family him anyway. JimS **************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222627952x1201458914/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819460%3B36680227%3Bi)

It obviously depends on the family. If you have a tradition that is handed down from one generation to another, then it is worth looking into. In my case, the stories have persist in two geographic regions for 200 years. Another question for you would be, if these stories are not true, then why would people start them? Let me explain. First, it is considered COOL now days to have American Indian in your family line - therefore, people fabricate stories as wannabes - when there is probably no truth to them. These people are generally trying to replicate the spirituality of the indigenous people, unable to find satisfaction in their own. However, if you see a persistent story, don't discount it out of hand. People of the 18th and 19th centuries were fighting for their very existence. They deliberately disappeared, because of the forced marches to reservations. Therefore, when the census taker came along and they could lie to one that was either compassionate to their plight, or flat out ignorant, they became WHITE in the white man's records. Also there was a lot of interracial marriage. If there was one person in the family who was white - they all became white. I have done some work on these stories, and have talked to other native people, who like my own, became invisible to the government. One interesting story is from a Dakota man with whom I spoke a while back. He said that his whole family looked at possible extinction as government troops came to remove them to mandated reservations. They quietly disappeared into a neighboring county and found German families to live among. Neither spoke the other's language, so the Dakota people masqueraded among the German immigrants, dressed in European clothing, farming and continuing life under assumed identities. Census takers generally spoke English, so they seldom questioned these families past the obvious. Many Indian families threatened their own children (and continued to do so) that they must never reveal their ethnicity. Every tribe and family had their own way of surviving. Because of this, many of us will never be recognized by tribes, but our families were, at some point, none-the-less, part of the indigenous people of the American continent. In a message dated 5/14/2009 9:34:10 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, JENNY.D.GRAHAM@saic.com writes: Hi, everyone. In my family I have a distant cousin who has been studying our shared line. He said that his family always maintained that a certain person (sister to my great-grandmother) was part Native American. As he researched, he found out that this was not true. Now he is researching to see if there is a Native American a little further back (mid-1700s KY area). Question: anyone have an idea as to how often these family stories of Native American ancestry are just not true? Thanks. - Jenny ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NA-FAMILY-LEGENDS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002)

Hi Jenny: Given that it was not a popular thing to be Indian in white communities before, say, the Vietnam War, or the 1960's, stories of Indian blood in families should be regarded as true. If there was Indian blood, before that time, the story of it was usually suppressed; or passed on from generation to generation, quietly or secretly. There was no gain in being Indian in white society; only on Indian reservations or where Indian enrollment was concerned, was it important to be "really" Indian. Otherwise, before the 1920's Indians were not US Citizens and, therefore, were not to own land or vote or be enumerated on the US Census (though many were). In white society, where land was survival, itself, mixed blood Indian families kept their ethnicity quiet or secret; passing as mulatto (mixed black and white), Black Dutch, Black Irish.....never Indian, if they could help it. Stories of Indian blood that survive today ought to be taken as truthful, given the difficulty in keeping them alive, especially if they were whispered by relatives who were born before the 1920's.....or, even, before the 1960's. Kathie ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham, Jenny D. To: na-family-legends@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:33 AM Subject: [NA-FAMILY-LEGENDS] Family stories - true, not true? Hi, everyone. In my family I have a distant cousin who has been studying our shared line. He said that his family always maintained that a certain person (sister to my great-grandmother) was part Native American. As he researched, he found out that this was not true. Now he is researching to see if there is a Native American a little further back (mid-1700s KY area). Question: anyone have an idea as to how often these family stories of Native American ancestry are just not true? Thanks. - Jenny ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NA-FAMILY-LEGENDS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, everyone. In my family I have a distant cousin who has been studying our shared line. He said that his family always maintained that a certain person (sister to my great-grandmother) was part Native American. As he researched, he found out that this was not true. Now he is researching to see if there is a Native American a little further back (mid-1700s KY area). Question: anyone have an idea as to how often these family stories of Native American ancestry are just not true? Thanks. - Jenny

Thanks List Mom! and I appreciate the other DNA tests links. We can all learn from each other, since the old stories written from the white man's view only give us a glimmer of what native culture and intelligence was before the invasions. EagleLittle In a message dated 5/13/2009 1:54:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, na-family-legends-request@rootsweb.com writes: Little Eagle I wanted to complement you on your answer, what you said in my opinion is the way to learn. When we know nothing about the tribe, we have to teach ourselves. Many sites offer information about tribal histories and after you have visited all the old tribal information it is then time to visit the actual tribal site. I hate to say it, but much of the information can be different because what was written all those years ago was from a white man's view and this differs from the Redman's view. It is up to each of us to find the common ground. You are also right this isn't the list for this kind of discussion, but as list mom I do get to say what is discussed here and unless the topic goes far astray, this may be discussed. Judy **************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221972443x1201442012/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819441%3B36680237%3Bi)

I would like to add another testing group who will interpret your test results in a written report. Go to http://dnaconsultants.com/ I am personally being tested with this company. I have used some of the others with disappointing results after a lot of money was spent. Additionally, the president of this company is also NA. That sounds great......For those than can afford to have those tests preformed! I am trying to live on SSD and believe me, it does not go that far. JimS **************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221972443x1201442012/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819441%3B36680237%3Bi)

Marcy, Very beautiful photography. Where are the Painted Hills located? The 50's was a different time in the way people treated other people, so please forgive your birthmother for not wanting to open an old topic that could affect her life today. She did not know you for the person you are, she just rejected the circumstances, not you as an individual. The Bear does sound like your native american spirit animal, and s/he can lead you to your native roots in your dreams, so think about that dream each night as you go to sleep, and pay attention to the details, maybe start a dream diary. Look for the surrounding land marks, the rocks, and the flowers, the other animals and birds, types of trees, they may be hints from your spirit animal or the tribe of your birthfather. Go to this link to see Oregon tribes. _http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oregon/_ (http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oregon/) Learn about them, connect with members, volunteer at events, go to PowWows or churches in those areas. Look for your face among them, you may find a cousin or uncle or aunt that can help you reconstruct history. Another path is to have your DNA tested for native blood. The results may not show you native heritage because it was your father that was native, and that test is for Y-DNA. The female markers they currently test are mitochondrial DNA (mt-DNA) which would show your birthmother's lineage. The cheaper tests tell you some basic info, but they are developing other tests that are more specific. Here are 3 to consider: National GENOgraphic Project by National Geographic Society probably has the most diverse sample of DNA from around the world that could help you narrow your focus to an area. Your birthfather could have been from Oregon or elsewhere, so this could focus your efforts. _https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/lan/en/journey.html_ (https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/lan/en/journey.html) another resource, more expensive is _http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/adopted-project.aspx_ (http://www. familytreedna.com/landing/adopted-project.aspx) Ancestry.com has a DNA project, and discounted testing, check it out here _http://dna.ancestry.com/viewConsole.aspx;jsessionid=C7DAD612EC159AB1381CEC6 5D0946937.dna03_ (http://dna.ancestry.com/viewConsole.aspx;jsessionid=C7DAD612EC159AB1381CEC65D0946937.dna03) Marcy, learn as much as you can about native american ways, and you will discover your ancient roots and honor your ancestors. Best of Luck. EagleLittle In a message dated 5/13/2009 3:04:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, na-family-legends-request@rootsweb.com writes: Today's Topics: 1. Adoptee searching - tips or suggestions? (Marcy Ugstad) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:18:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcy Ugstad <mugstad@yahoo.com> Subject: [NA-FAMILY-LEGENDS] Adoptee searching - tips or suggestions? To: NA-FAMILY-LEGENDS@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <834487.43162.qm@web54403.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello, ? I am hoping someone can give me some ideas or suggestions on where I could search for information. ? I am a female adoptee - was born in the 1950's in Corvallis, Oregon. Long story short - my birthmother was separated from her husband, had 2 children living at home, and worked as a bartender/cocktail waitress over on the Oregon coast in Newport, Oregon. She met a man "socially" and ended up pregnant with me. She decided to put me up for adoption as she was trying to get back together with her husband. ?My non-identifying information in my adoption records (Oregon has closed records) states my birthfather was part "American Indian" and in "good health". Through some odd events and through the internet, I found name of my birthmother. I tried to contact her but she refuses contact and said she did not want to meet me and would not give me any information on my birthfather. ? I have "known" all my life I was of Native American ancestry. I didn't know why, but even when I was a small child and someone asked about my "real" parents, I always said my "real" father was NA. Nobody ever told me, I just knew. I also always had a close connection to NA friends, went to powwows with them and was so drawn to the drums and singing/dancing - I felt so much at peace and knew this was a part of me. ? I have been told that back in the 50's people didn't tend to travel as much as they do now, so I wondered if it is likely the man who is my birthfather may have been from a tribe in Oregon or the northwest? I know there are several NA tribes on the Oregon coast, but for some reason, I know I'm not from a coastal tribe. I really don't care for the coast, I've always been drawn to the east side (high desert part of Oregon) and feel close to the Mountains. I don't feel right if I don't live where there are mountains. Is this strange? ?I've also had strange dreams and have kind of an "ESP" thing going on all my life. I told a NA teacher about some of them - one of a grizzly bear running along side me and the vision of him was so clear I could count every hair of his coat. She said she thought this might be my "spirit animal". ? Anyway, I know this is a bit different then a "legend" but am hoping someone might have some suggestions on how I could find out more about my background. I feel it is of great importance that I find this part of my family - just don't know what I can do. ?Thanks for any help, suggestions, etc - all are appreciated. Marcy Ugstad (maiden name - adoptive parents last name) Redmond, Oregon www.highcascadesphotography.com ------------------------------ To contact the NA-FAMILY-LEGENDS list administrator, send an email to NA-FAMILY-LEGENDS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the NA-FAMILY-LEGENDS mailing list, send an email to NA-FAMILY-LEGENDS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NA-FAMILY-LEGENDS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of NA-FAMILY-LEGENDS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 9 *********************************************** **************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! 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