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    1. Re: [MTGEN] roots web message board not working
    2. Karen De Groote
    3. Oh dear, hope they get those massive message boards back up. Can you imagine the loss of queries with pertinent information in them? I am wondering if they will eventually merge them with GenForum. After all they took away Genconnect and put them on RW. On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Nancy Thornton <[email protected]> wrote: > FYI, My link to my message board just goes to a free trial page for > ancestry.com. The link on roots web.com does the same thing. It’s always > something lately. > > > Regards, > Nancy Thornton - Live Long and Prosper > Teton Co. MTGenWeb coordinator > www.rootsweb.com/~mtteton > "Let us meet in a space with no fences" — Kate Potter. > "The first step in accomplishing something is showing up." > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

    07/01/2014 03:50:28
    1. [MTGEN] roots web message board not working
    2. Nancy Thornton
    3. FYI, My link to my message board just goes to a free trial page for ancestry.com. The link on roots web.com does the same thing. It’s always something lately. Regards, Nancy Thornton - Live Long and Prosper Teton Co. MTGenWeb coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~mtteton "Let us meet in a space with no fences" — Kate Potter. "The first step in accomplishing something is showing up."

    07/01/2014 02:23:18
    1. [MTGEN] June 2014 COUNTY OF EXCELLENCE
    2. Mike & Jane Keppler
    3. The surfing committee is pleased to announce Park County is the COUNTY OF EXCELLENCE for June 2014. Congratulations to county coordinator Alicia Littlejohn. Please check out Park County at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mtpark/ Park County is so user friendly and patrons would have an easy time finding information. Great Job!!! Everyone have a safe Independence Day weekend!! Jane Keppler

    07/01/2014 02:09:43
    1. [MTGEN] USGenWeb Election & Voting
    2. Shirley Cullum
    3. This message was sent out by the Election Committee: Voting for this years election will begin at 12AM EDT tonight Jul 1, 2014 and run until July 31, 2014. You can get your voting password and vote at http://usgwelections.org/ You will also find a link on the on the main elections page at http://usgenweb.org/usgwelections/ Shirley

    06/30/2014 05:07:46
    1. [MTGEN] Voting Results
    2. Shirley Cullum
    3. Thank you to everyone who participated in the discussion and voting on the proposal requiring all MTGenWeb county websites to have a last update date that is less than 6 months old on the main page. Your input and your votes are important to maintaining the integrity of the MTGenWeb. The proposal passed by a 13 to 1 vote. The requirement will be added to our Policies page immediately but there will be a 30 day grace period to allow time for the update date to be added to your county websites. Beginning on August 1st, 2014 all websites must have a current update date to be compliant with the rules of the MTGenWeb. Shirley

    06/30/2014 04:18:04
    1. Re: [MTGEN] Requirement to Update
    2. Mike & Jane Keppler
    3. Shirley is out of pocket right now and doesn't have email and ask me to send this out. Due to Rootsweb being down, the voting is extented until Monday, June 30 MIDNIGHT..... Jane Keppler On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Shirley Cullum <[email protected]> wrote: > After the discussion on a requirement for updating county websites, we need > to vote on the issue. > > The proposed new requirement for the MTGenWeb Project is: > > All MTGenWeb county websites must be updated at least once every 6 months > and must have the last update date on the website. > > Please vote yes or no on this proposed requirement. Just hit reply so that > your votes are posted on the mail list. > > The voting will begin at noon today, June 13, 2014 and will continue for 14 > days (through noon June 27, 2014). > > Shirley > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Be on guard. Stand firm in the faith. Be courageous. Be strong. And do everything with love. ~ 1 Corinthians 16:13-14, NLT

    06/27/2014 05:04:42
    1. Re: [MTGEN] Voting Time Frame -Re: Requirement to Update
    2. Karen De Groote
    3. Yes I tested the mailing list this morning as my websites were up last night but it came back to me and then a short time later Pam's post so I must have just missed it. Also it had a weird reply on it like "I may be crazy....." but when I went to the message that text was not there! Glad to have the list working once again! Karen On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Nancy Thornton <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for replying, it showed that the mailing list was working again. I > was very much aware that rootsweb.com with all MY websites! was down for > EIGHT days, Jue 16-23, and even tho they got up, the mailing list didnt, > until now apparently. > Nancy > Teton County MTGenWeb > > > > > > Well, better late than never I guess. > > > > I vote Yes, but I have to agree with Nancy that I would be more > > comfortable with a once a year requirement. Especially since I am one of > > those who haven't updated their sites in quite a while. > > > > When I took over the Daniels and Sheridan County sites in 2006, I knew > > nothing about html or how to set up a site. I took a basic html course > and > > used it to help me set up the sites as they are today (hand coded)and > VERY > > BASIC. I have been going to revamp them for some time, but haven't had > the > > time to figure out how I can easily do so. > > > > Nonetheless, I have been lax about checking my links and doing other > > updating. I hope that with a 6 (or 12) month update requirement, that it > > will force me to be more diligent. > > > > (I delayed replying since I had hoped to get both sites updated. That > > didn't happen although Sheridan County is mostly updated. My goal is to > > have them both updated (links at least) by the 10th of July. > > > > Pamla Hendrickson > > Daniels and Sheridan Counties > > > > > >> Since some votes were sent in before noon, the voting period is amended > > to > >> "9:00 AM today, June 13, 2014 and will continue for 14 days (through > > noon, > >> June 27, 2014)." > >> Shirley > >> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Shirley Cullum <[email protected]> > > wrote: > >>> After the discussion on a requirement for updating county websites, we > > need to vote on the issue. > >>> The proposed new requirement for the MTGenWeb Project is: > >>> All MTGenWeb county websites must be updated at least once every 6 > >>> months and must have the last update date on the website. > >>> Please vote yes or no on this proposed requirement. Just hit reply so > >>> that > >>> your votes are posted on the mail list. > >>> The voting will begin at noon today, June 13, 2014 and will continue > > for > >>> 14 days (through noon June 27, 2014). > >>> Shirley > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

    06/26/2014 04:06:52
    1. Re: [MTGEN] Voting Time Frame -Re: Requirement to Update
    2. Karen De Groote
    3. I am quite sure that with Ancestry's DDOS attack and Rootsweb going down for over a week that you are not late Pam. I am pleased to hear what you have done to learn HTML so that you can take care of your counties. Updating once every six months means to add something, even if it is a small cemetery or a couple of obits or a historical photo. It doesn't mean the entire site has to be updated every six months. The index page should be the page to keep updated and of course any new pages will be updated if you date them when they are added. I have started doing this. Fixing broken links when you hear about them is a big help to researchers too. Sounds like you will be able to manage just fine. Who needs bells and whistles when they are doing genealogy? I know I would prefer simple text pages as long as it has the documentation! LOL Karen On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 1:40 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, better late than never I guess. > > I vote Yes, but I have to agree with Nancy that I would be more > comfortable with a once a year requirement. Especially since I am one of > those who haven't updated their sites in quite a while. > > When I took over the Daniels and Sheridan County sites in 2006, I knew > nothing about html or how to set up a site. I took a basic html course and > used it to help me set up the sites as they are today (hand coded)and VERY > BASIC. I have been going to revamp them for some time, but haven't had the > time to figure out how I can easily do so. > > Nonetheless, I have been lax about checking my links and doing other > updating. I hope that with a 6 (or 12) month update requirement, that it > will force me to be more diligent. > > (I delayed replying since I had hoped to get both sites updated. That > didn't happen although Sheridan County is mostly updated. My goal is to > have them both updated (links at least) by the 10th of July. > > Pamla Hendrickson > Daniels and Sheridan Counties > > > > Since some votes were sent in before noon, the voting period is amended > to > > "9:00 AM today, June 13, 2014 and will continue for 14 days (through > noon, > > June 27, 2014)." > > Shirley > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Shirley Cullum <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> After the discussion on a requirement for updating county websites, we > need to vote on the issue. > >> The proposed new requirement for the MTGenWeb Project is: > >> All MTGenWeb county websites must be updated at least once every 6 > >> months and must have the last update date on the website. > >> Please vote yes or no on this proposed requirement. Just hit reply so > that > >> your votes are posted on the mail list. > >> The voting will begin at noon today, June 13, 2014 and will continue > for > >> 14 days (through noon June 27, 2014). > >> Shirley > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

    06/26/2014 10:10:41
    1. Re: [MTGEN] RW is Back UP!
    2. Suzanne Andrews
    3. Oh good. Thanks. On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 09:06:58 -0500 Shirley Cullum <[email protected]> wrote: > RootsWeb is back up and functional. > > Shirley > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Suzanne Andrews [email protected] Volunteer - Butte-Silver Bow Archives Volunteer - MTGenWeb County Coordinator for Butte-Silver Bow, Anaconda-Deer Lodge, and Powell counties, Montana http://www.mtgenweb.com/silverbow/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    06/26/2014 10:05:46
    1. Re: [MTGEN] Voting Time Frame -Re: Requirement to Update
    2. Nancy Thornton
    3. Thanks for replying, it showed that the mailing list was working again. I was very much aware that rootsweb.com with all MY websites! was down for EIGHT days, Jue 16-23, and even tho they got up, the mailing list didnt, until now apparently. Nancy Teton County MTGenWeb > Well, better late than never I guess. > > I vote Yes, but I have to agree with Nancy that I would be more > comfortable with a once a year requirement. Especially since I am one of > those who haven't updated their sites in quite a while. > > When I took over the Daniels and Sheridan County sites in 2006, I knew > nothing about html or how to set up a site. I took a basic html course and > used it to help me set up the sites as they are today (hand coded)and VERY > BASIC. I have been going to revamp them for some time, but haven't had the > time to figure out how I can easily do so. > > Nonetheless, I have been lax about checking my links and doing other > updating. I hope that with a 6 (or 12) month update requirement, that it > will force me to be more diligent. > > (I delayed replying since I had hoped to get both sites updated. That > didn't happen although Sheridan County is mostly updated. My goal is to > have them both updated (links at least) by the 10th of July. > > Pamla Hendrickson > Daniels and Sheridan Counties > > >> Since some votes were sent in before noon, the voting period is amended > to >> "9:00 AM today, June 13, 2014 and will continue for 14 days (through > noon, >> June 27, 2014)." >> Shirley >> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Shirley Cullum <[email protected]> > wrote: >>> After the discussion on a requirement for updating county websites, we > need to vote on the issue. >>> The proposed new requirement for the MTGenWeb Project is: >>> All MTGenWeb county websites must be updated at least once every 6 >>> months and must have the last update date on the website. >>> Please vote yes or no on this proposed requirement. Just hit reply so >>> that >>> your votes are posted on the mail list. >>> The voting will begin at noon today, June 13, 2014 and will continue > for >>> 14 days (through noon June 27, 2014). >>> Shirley >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

    06/26/2014 09:14:38
    1. Re: [MTGEN] Voting Time Frame -Re: Requirement to Update
    2. Well, better late than never I guess. I vote Yes, but I have to agree with Nancy that I would be more comfortable with a once a year requirement. Especially since I am one of those who haven't updated their sites in quite a while. When I took over the Daniels and Sheridan County sites in 2006, I knew nothing about html or how to set up a site. I took a basic html course and used it to help me set up the sites as they are today (hand coded)and VERY BASIC. I have been going to revamp them for some time, but haven't had the time to figure out how I can easily do so. Nonetheless, I have been lax about checking my links and doing other updating. I hope that with a 6 (or 12) month update requirement, that it will force me to be more diligent. (I delayed replying since I had hoped to get both sites updated. That didn't happen although Sheridan County is mostly updated. My goal is to have them both updated (links at least) by the 10th of July. Pamla Hendrickson Daniels and Sheridan Counties > Since some votes were sent in before noon, the voting period is amended to > "9:00 AM today, June 13, 2014 and will continue for 14 days (through noon, > June 27, 2014)." > Shirley > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Shirley Cullum <[email protected]> wrote: >> After the discussion on a requirement for updating county websites, we need to vote on the issue. >> The proposed new requirement for the MTGenWeb Project is: >> All MTGenWeb county websites must be updated at least once every 6 >> months and must have the last update date on the website. >> Please vote yes or no on this proposed requirement. Just hit reply so that >> your votes are posted on the mail list. >> The voting will begin at noon today, June 13, 2014 and will continue for >> 14 days (through noon June 27, 2014). >> Shirley > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

    06/26/2014 06:40:21
    1. Re: [MTGEN] Delinking rule?
    2. Karen De Groote
    3. Testing to see if our mailing list is back up since our RW web sites are. We should continue the discussion and vote on this topic. Perhaps we should also set an end of discussion and vote counting. I would like to see late Monday or Tuesday. Karen On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Shirley Cullum <[email protected]> wrote: > I do not find it on the new USGenWeb site either. State projects are left > to decide that for themselves so we can either let the SC (current or > futture) decide how long is long enough or set a time frame requirement > that everyone will abide by. > > Shirley > > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Nancy Thornton <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > just to be clear, I do not see on the national or state site, the 14 day > > rule > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

    06/25/2014 06:40:51
    1. [MTGEN] RW is Back UP!
    2. Shirley Cullum
    3. RootsWeb is back up and functional. Shirley

    06/24/2014 03:06:58
    1. Re: [MTGEN] Delinking rule?
    2. Shirley Cullum
    3. I do not find it on the new USGenWeb site either. State projects are left to decide that for themselves so we can either let the SC (current or futture) decide how long is long enough or set a time frame requirement that everyone will abide by. Shirley On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Nancy Thornton <[email protected]> wrote: > just to be clear, I do not see on the national or state site, the 14 day > rule > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

    06/15/2014 01:05:12
    1. Re: [MTGEN] Delinking rule?
    2. Shirley Cullum
    3. Nancy, I was mistaken about rule # 10. The way the Rules page is written, it is a rule. And whether this particular proposal passes or not, rule #10 definitely needs to be amended. Shirley On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Karen De Groote <[email protected]> wrote: > All excellent points Nancy. We have needed a set of rules for the > MTGenWeb project for a while and I am glad to see us talking about it > and getting a start. I am not sure where our rule #10 comes from to > be honest and am surprised to read "We do check those if they haven't > been updated within a month or so". I think that is excessive and > would like to see us settle on the once every 6 months and leave it at > that. No need to check on a monthly basis. Thank you for posting > that. > > As far as delinking, the USGenWeb rules do have guidelines that > prevent a CC from being delinked unfairly. If a CC is treated > unfairly they can file a grievance against the SC which is heard and > decided upon by the Grievance Committee of the National Advisory > Board. Yes notices must be sent but I do not think they rise to the > level of nagging. Merely a set time for compliance unless someone has > a reason they cannot comply. > > I would like to see our rules edited point by point and voted on. I > believe that the additional rule can be added to the bottom of the > document until such time that the rules are edited to refresh > guidelines that we operate under. At that point it can be > incorporated in the appropriate area. > > Yes Nancy, that sticky wicket has been around for the life of the > project. It is an attempt to protect the donators against an > unscrupulous CC that would take data submitted to the USGenWeb > project. It allows the submitter to remove their donations if the > site is no longer a USGW site or if they merely have a change of > heart. One must use utmost prudence in these situations. > > Keep in mind that we cannot make rules for every situation and one > must use common sense in this organization. > > Great discussion, > Karen > > On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Nancy Thornton <[email protected]> > wrote: > > My vote is still “No” but Karen’s reply is food for thought and opens > further discussion. Nancy, Teton County > > > > Here goes: One official national rule is > > > > G. The state project shall have the responsibility to remove any links > to websites which fail to meet The USGenWeb Project/XXGenWeb Project > established guidelines/standards. > > > > > > > > Moving on to the MTGenWeb Project, our rule 10. says: > > > > IT IS ESSENTIAL that your site be well-maintained and updated as > frequently as possible. Every site needs to have some basic research > resources, i.e. Courthouse offices addresses, phone numbers, fees, etc., > library, historical society, newspaper, cemetery names & addresses, funeral > homes, etc. Many have also provided a bibliography page showing reference > books available for their county and much more. Your site needs to be > checked often for bad links, new ideas, etc., and the update "date" > changed. We do check these and inquire of county coordinators if we find > sites that have not been updated within a month or so. If you are ill, > going on vacation, or having some temporary problems, the State Coordinator > would like to know and, of course, we make exceptions for those times. > > > > > > > > So here is the state coordinator’s nomination for a new rule: > > > > The proposed new requirement for the MTGenWeb Project is: > > > > > > > > All MTGenWeb county websites must be updated at least once every 6 months > > > > and must have the last update date on the website. > > > > > > > > > > > > So let’s have a discussion on where this possible new sentence will > appear in the wording of our rules. Do we amend rule 10? > > > > > > > > Karen also suggested that delinking would occur with noncompliance, but > we don’t have a due process rule for that. Does the SC give the CC a > warning, a nag, three warnings, three nags? Also, if that CC has really > abandoned the site, he or she would not bother to remove the official logos. > > > > > > > > And another thing, the national rule says, D. If a Local Coordinator can > no longer perform their duties for any reason, those sections of the > website submitted or donated by contributors other than the website > coordinator, shall remain with the website, unless the > submitter(s)/contributor(s) indicates otherwise. > > > > > > > > So the county website might not be “owned” completely by the CC. That’s > another sticky wicket. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

    06/15/2014 03:27:06
    1. Re: [MTGEN] Delinking rule?
    2. Shirley Cullum
    3. I agree with Karen that the MTGenWeb rules do need to be updated. The rules page is basically the same as it was when I became SC, except for 1 change we voted on in 2012. Shirley On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Karen De Groote <[email protected]> wrote: > All excellent points Nancy. We have needed a set of rules for the > MTGenWeb project for a while and I am glad to see us talking about it > and getting a start. I am not sure where our rule #10 comes from to > be honest and am surprised to read "We do check those if they haven't > been updated within a month or so". I think that is excessive and > would like to see us settle on the once every 6 months and leave it at > that. No need to check on a monthly basis. Thank you for posting > that. > > As far as delinking, the USGenWeb rules do have guidelines that > prevent a CC from being delinked unfairly. If a CC is treated > unfairly they can file a grievance against the SC which is heard and > decided upon by the Grievance Committee of the National Advisory > Board. Yes notices must be sent but I do not think they rise to the > level of nagging. Merely a set time for compliance unless someone has > a reason they cannot comply. > > I would like to see our rules edited point by point and voted on. I > believe that the additional rule can be added to the bottom of the > document until such time that the rules are edited to refresh > guidelines that we operate under. At that point it can be > incorporated in the appropriate area. > > Yes Nancy, that sticky wicket has been around for the life of the > project. It is an attempt to protect the donators against an > unscrupulous CC that would take data submitted to the USGenWeb > project. It allows the submitter to remove their donations if the > site is no longer a USGW site or if they merely have a change of > heart. One must use utmost prudence in these situations. > > Keep in mind that we cannot make rules for every situation and one > must use common sense in this organization. > > Great discussion, > Karen > > On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Nancy Thornton <[email protected]> > wrote: > > My vote is still “No” but Karen’s reply is food for thought and opens > further discussion. Nancy, Teton County > > > > Here goes: One official national rule is > > > > G. The state project shall have the responsibility to remove any links > to websites which fail to meet The USGenWeb Project/XXGenWeb Project > established guidelines/standards. > > > > > > > > Moving on to the MTGenWeb Project, our rule 10. says: > > > > IT IS ESSENTIAL that your site be well-maintained and updated as > frequently as possible. Every site needs to have some basic research > resources, i.e. Courthouse offices addresses, phone numbers, fees, etc., > library, historical society, newspaper, cemetery names & addresses, funeral > homes, etc. Many have also provided a bibliography page showing reference > books available for their county and much more. Your site needs to be > checked often for bad links, new ideas, etc., and the update "date" > changed. We do check these and inquire of county coordinators if we find > sites that have not been updated within a month or so. If you are ill, > going on vacation, or having some temporary problems, the State Coordinator > would like to know and, of course, we make exceptions for those times. > > > > > > > > So here is the state coordinator’s nomination for a new rule: > > > > The proposed new requirement for the MTGenWeb Project is: > > > > > > > > All MTGenWeb county websites must be updated at least once every 6 months > > > > and must have the last update date on the website. > > > > > > > > > > > > So let’s have a discussion on where this possible new sentence will > appear in the wording of our rules. Do we amend rule 10? > > > > > > > > Karen also suggested that delinking would occur with noncompliance, but > we don’t have a due process rule for that. Does the SC give the CC a > warning, a nag, three warnings, three nags? Also, if that CC has really > abandoned the site, he or she would not bother to remove the official logos. > > > > > > > > And another thing, the national rule says, D. If a Local Coordinator can > no longer perform their duties for any reason, those sections of the > website submitted or donated by contributors other than the website > coordinator, shall remain with the website, unless the > submitter(s)/contributor(s) indicates otherwise. > > > > > > > > So the county website might not be “owned” completely by the CC. That’s > another sticky wicket. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

    06/15/2014 03:02:18
    1. Re: [MTGEN] Delinking rule?
    2. Karen De Groote
    3. Nancy, if there is no rule on a state basis the national rules are the default rules. Karen On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Nancy Thornton <[email protected]> wrote: > That 14 day rule is great but it is nowhere on the mtgenweb.com site. The only page I see for rules is our “Policies” page. > Nancy > Teton County > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    06/15/2014 02:30:36
    1. Re: [MTGEN] Delinking rule?
    2. Karen De Groote
    3. All excellent points Nancy. We have needed a set of rules for the MTGenWeb project for a while and I am glad to see us talking about it and getting a start. I am not sure where our rule #10 comes from to be honest and am surprised to read "We do check those if they haven't been updated within a month or so". I think that is excessive and would like to see us settle on the once every 6 months and leave it at that. No need to check on a monthly basis. Thank you for posting that. As far as delinking, the USGenWeb rules do have guidelines that prevent a CC from being delinked unfairly. If a CC is treated unfairly they can file a grievance against the SC which is heard and decided upon by the Grievance Committee of the National Advisory Board. Yes notices must be sent but I do not think they rise to the level of nagging. Merely a set time for compliance unless someone has a reason they cannot comply. I would like to see our rules edited point by point and voted on. I believe that the additional rule can be added to the bottom of the document until such time that the rules are edited to refresh guidelines that we operate under. At that point it can be incorporated in the appropriate area. Yes Nancy, that sticky wicket has been around for the life of the project. It is an attempt to protect the donators against an unscrupulous CC that would take data submitted to the USGenWeb project. It allows the submitter to remove their donations if the site is no longer a USGW site or if they merely have a change of heart. One must use utmost prudence in these situations. Keep in mind that we cannot make rules for every situation and one must use common sense in this organization. Great discussion, Karen On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Nancy Thornton <[email protected]> wrote: > My vote is still “No” but Karen’s reply is food for thought and opens further discussion. Nancy, Teton County > > Here goes: One official national rule is > > G. The state project shall have the responsibility to remove any links to websites which fail to meet The USGenWeb Project/XXGenWeb Project established guidelines/standards. > > > > Moving on to the MTGenWeb Project, our rule 10. says: > > IT IS ESSENTIAL that your site be well-maintained and updated as frequently as possible. Every site needs to have some basic research resources, i.e. Courthouse offices addresses, phone numbers, fees, etc., library, historical society, newspaper, cemetery names & addresses, funeral homes, etc. Many have also provided a bibliography page showing reference books available for their county and much more. Your site needs to be checked often for bad links, new ideas, etc., and the update "date" changed. We do check these and inquire of county coordinators if we find sites that have not been updated within a month or so. If you are ill, going on vacation, or having some temporary problems, the State Coordinator would like to know and, of course, we make exceptions for those times. > > > > So here is the state coordinator’s nomination for a new rule: > > The proposed new requirement for the MTGenWeb Project is: > > > > All MTGenWeb county websites must be updated at least once every 6 months > > and must have the last update date on the website. > > > > > > So let’s have a discussion on where this possible new sentence will appear in the wording of our rules. Do we amend rule 10? > > > > Karen also suggested that delinking would occur with noncompliance, but we don’t have a due process rule for that. Does the SC give the CC a warning, a nag, three warnings, three nags? Also, if that CC has really abandoned the site, he or she would not bother to remove the official logos. > > > > And another thing, the national rule says, D. If a Local Coordinator can no longer perform their duties for any reason, those sections of the website submitted or donated by contributors other than the website coordinator, shall remain with the website, unless the submitter(s)/contributor(s) indicates otherwise. > > > > So the county website might not be “owned” completely by the CC. That’s another sticky wicket. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    06/15/2014 02:28:40
    1. Re: [MTGEN] Delinking rule?
    2. Nancy Thornton
    3. just to be clear, I do not see on the national or state site, the 14 day rule

    06/15/2014 02:25:15
    1. Re: [MTGEN] Delinking rule?
    2. Nancy Thornton
    3. That 14 day rule is great but it is nowhere on the mtgenweb.com site. The only page I see for rules is our “Policies” page. Nancy Teton County

    06/15/2014 12:42:10