----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry W. Manuel" <swman@centurytel.net> To: <mswilkin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [MSWILKIN] Zachariah Smiths continued Linda, some of the information Jackie has gathered from various sources including internet, published works, correspondence with individuals, cite Joshua Ambrose II and Judith A. Spann as Zachariah's parents, and Christopher Smith III and Catherine Snelson as gr. parents. Jackie is sporadically looking for proofs of these statements, though they do seem feasible. Also, one published record: Ancestors and Descendants of Smiths" compiled and indexed by Linda G. Cheek, Easley S.C., cites the Zachariah Smith Bible, in Louisiana, as a source. I presume this would be the Cupit in Rosepine, LA. Do you have this information? The tree referred to Barbara, is the one you had copied for us all in BR. > Hi Barbara > Please never hesitate to question anything I do. That is the only way I > can get fresh perspective to find the right answers to our puzzles. > This Smith family has had much work done on it but there remain many > puzzles. > Oh how I wish some of the direct male descendants of Zachariah and your > William M. (Did John Lovelace Smith have any sons?) would do a cheek > rubbing and give us a DNA Sample. We could then have a basis for further > research. I keep close tabs on the Smith project waiting for these > smiths to show up on the list but to no avail as yet. I have gotten a > Smith cousin to provide a sample for Peter Smith. I just need some > Zacahriah and Christopher Kit Smith samples to compare it with. > Your William M's close association with the Lovelace, Wall and Lightner > families was my first clue he might be a part of Zachariah's family. > The family Tree that Nan has is probably the source of all the old lists > that show William M. (Son of Zachariah and Francis) children as > Zachariah, Frances Augusta, William, Betty, Barbara, Elizabeth, Augusta > Matilda, William Henry and Adolphus Frederick. I have been able to find > no records of the first five in any of the records I have abstracted > until I ran into the possibility that your William M. of Sicily Island > might be his son William. > I do not believe that William and Prudence came to Natches district with > their families. I know he was in the Bahamas in1791 from his daughter > Elizabeth's birth record recorded in the St. Martville Catholic Church > records at the time of her marriage to Robert Armstrong.(he may be a > Natches native also) My William M does not show up in Wilkinson records > until 1794 when James' two oldest sons are apprenticed to him. He is > granted land in the Feliciannas in 1797 and buys the property in New > Iberia from Nicholas Hebert in 1798. From there is trail is clearer > until his death in 1811 in what was then St. Martin Parish, Louisiana. > (The family owned the property where Shadows on the Tech now sits in New > Iberia.) > William M son of Zachariah was born 16 September 1757 according to the > dates from the Zachariah Smith bible record. So he would have been > married and having children when your William M. was born. > Other than that until I find more records it is just my theory. There > are too many William Smiths in Natches district. > Will be glad to help any way I can to sort the puzzle out. > Thanks! > Sherry > > -----Original Message----- > From: mswilkin-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:mswilkin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Haigh > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:16 PM > To: mswilkin@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MSWILKIN] Zachariah Smiths continued > > Sherry, am very interested in the theory that Wm M.Smith is son of > Wm.Smith and Prudence Bonner-or at least that my Wm.M.Smith was this > son. If WMS isn't named in W.Smith's will, where is it stated that he > was a son? > Please don't misunderstand...I'm not questioning, just want to be > sure. > WMS was very wealthy over in Catahoula Parish before his death in > 1821. Both he and Patience died young, leaving 5 daughters. Patience was > a double-first cousin of Martha Kirkland, wife of Thomas Marsden Green > of Springfield Pltn. in Jefferson Co. Patience and Martha each named a > daughter Laminda. Laminda Green became wife of Thomas Hinds. Laminda > Smith became my gt-gt-grandmother. > Thanks for any info you can give me. > Barbara > > "Sherry W. Manuel" <swman@centurytel.net> wrote: > John Smith did not come with them. Or at least I have not been able to > find any indication in the Natches or Wilkinson County Records that he > did. Nor have I been able to find him in North or South Carolina where > the family came from. > I am not sure William came with the extended family to Natches. He may > have arrived later. There are so many Williams in Natches records it is > impossible to place many of them. He appears to have had a merchant ship > and traveled extensively. He was in the Feliciana's but there are few > records existing for him there. The only definite records I get are in > St. Martin, Iberia, and St. Mary Parishes of Louisiana from about 1797 > until his death in 1811. > All of the rest of the family appear to have arrived with Zachariah or > shortly thereafter. Most came with their in laws in tow. > The only one of Zachariah's children who I have not been able to get a > handle on their spouse's family is Peter. I know nothing about Joanna > Goodby's parents or history though I would love to. > Sherry > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mswilkin-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:mswilkin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nan > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:05 AM > To: mswilkin@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MSWILKIN] Zachariah Smiths continued > > It just occurred to me that I have gone on the premise that all of the > 1st and 2nd generation offspring of Z & F traveled with them from N.C.- > Adams Co.-Wilkinson Co. Perhaps some were born and remained in Anson > County or elsewere. > > Sherry, as to the first 5 children of William, have you checked Adams > Co. records. Moses Bonner had a tract of land bordering our Widow Mary > Foster here on St. Catherine Creek which was also very near the tract > Zachariah purchased from Wm Penrice in 1783 and later sold to James > Foster before removing to Wilkinson Co. You might also wonder, was > there an epidemic in between the dates of birth of these children. So > many children died in these epidemics. At least Barbara can account for > Wm Martin Smith. > > > I have a copy of some research done by Carolyn Brendt of Birmingham, AL > She is a descendant of Capt Peter Smith through his daughter Frances > Matilda. Are any of you familiar with this? > Nan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MSWILKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MSWILKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. 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The accepted opinion is that the parents of Zachariah are Ambrose Joshua and Judith Ann Spann. If you search the web today there is an equal amount of entries that say Ambrose Joshua Smiths wife was Judith Anderson. I can find many things that point to Judith Spann including the fact that the Spanns showed up in the Natches District as Spains. I have yet to be convinced about Judith Anderson. However though Ambrose Joshuas list of children is long the only proven child of his is Christopher Kit Smith all of the others are there by association only. I am afraid that without some DNA testing on those lines we will never know for sure. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: mswilkin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mswilkin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nan Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:00 PM To: mswilkin@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MSWILKIN] Zachariah Smiths continued ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry W. Manuel" <swman@centurytel.net> To: <mswilkin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [MSWILKIN] Zachariah Smiths continued Linda, some of the information Jackie has gathered from various sources including internet, published works, correspondence with individuals, cite Joshua Ambrose II and Judith A. Spann as Zachariah's parents, and Christopher Smith III and Catherine Snelson as gr. parents. Jackie is sporadically looking for proofs of these statements, though they do seem feasible. Also, one published record: Ancestors and Descendants of Smiths" compiled and indexed by Linda G. Cheek, Easley S.C., cites the Zachariah Smith Bible, in Louisiana, as a source. I presume this would be the Cupit in Rosepine, LA. Do you have this information? The tree referred to Barbara, is the one you had copied for us all in BR. > Hi Barbara > Please never hesitate to question anything I do. That is the only way I > can get fresh perspective to find the right answers to our puzzles. > This Smith family has had much work done on it but there remain many > puzzles. > Oh how I wish some of the direct male descendants of Zachariah and your > William M. (Did John Lovelace Smith have any sons?) would do a cheek > rubbing and give us a DNA Sample. We could then have a basis for further > research. I keep close tabs on the Smith project waiting for these > smiths to show up on the list but to no avail as yet. I have gotten a > Smith cousin to provide a sample for Peter Smith. I just need some > Zacahriah and Christopher Kit Smith samples to compare it with. > Your William M's close association with the Lovelace, Wall and Lightner > families was my first clue he might be a part of Zachariah's family. > The family Tree that Nan has is probably the source of all the old lists > that show William M. (Son of Zachariah and Francis) children as > Zachariah, Frances Augusta, William, Betty, Barbara, Elizabeth, Augusta > Matilda, William Henry and Adolphus Frederick. I have been able to find > no records of the first five in any of the records I have abstracted > until I ran into the possibility that your William M. of Sicily Island > might be his son William. > I do not believe that William and Prudence came to Natches district with > their families. I know he was in the Bahamas in1791 from his daughter > Elizabeth's birth record recorded in the St. Martville Catholic Church > records at the time of her marriage to Robert Armstrong.(he may be a > Natches native also) My William M does not show up in Wilkinson records > until 1794 when James' two oldest sons are apprenticed to him. He is > granted land in the Feliciannas in 1797 and buys the property in New > Iberia from Nicholas Hebert in 1798. From there is trail is clearer > until his death in 1811 in what was then St. Martin Parish, Louisiana. > (The family owned the property where Shadows on the Tech now sits in New > Iberia.) > William M son of Zachariah was born 16 September 1757 according to the > dates from the Zachariah Smith bible record. So he would have been > married and having children when your William M. was born. > Other than that until I find more records it is just my theory. There > are too many William Smiths in Natches district. > Will be glad to help any way I can to sort the puzzle out. > Thanks! > Sherry > > -----Original Message----- > From: mswilkin-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:mswilkin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Haigh > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:16 PM > To: mswilkin@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MSWILKIN] Zachariah Smiths continued > > Sherry, am very interested in the theory that Wm M.Smith is son of > Wm.Smith and Prudence Bonner-or at least that my Wm.M.Smith was this > son. If WMS isn't named in W.Smith's will, where is it stated that he > was a son? > Please don't misunderstand...I'm not questioning, just want to be > sure. > WMS was very wealthy over in Catahoula Parish before his death in > 1821. Both he and Patience died young, leaving 5 daughters. Patience was > a double-first cousin of Martha Kirkland, wife of Thomas Marsden Green > of Springfield Pltn. in Jefferson Co. Patience and Martha each named a > daughter Laminda. Laminda Green became wife of Thomas Hinds. Laminda > Smith became my gt-gt-grandmother. > Thanks for any info you can give me. > Barbara > > "Sherry W. Manuel" <swman@centurytel.net> wrote: > John Smith did not come with them. Or at least I have not been able to > find any indication in the Natches or Wilkinson County Records that he > did. Nor have I been able to find him in North or South Carolina where > the family came from. > I am not sure William came with the extended family to Natches. He may > have arrived later. There are so many Williams in Natches records it is > impossible to place many of them. He appears to have had a merchant ship > and traveled extensively. He was in the Feliciana's but there are few > records existing for him there. The only definite records I get are in > St. Martin, Iberia, and St. Mary Parishes of Louisiana from about 1797 > until his death in 1811. > All of the rest of the family appear to have arrived with Zachariah or > shortly thereafter. Most came with their in laws in tow. > The only one of Zachariah's children who I have not been able to get a > handle on their spouse's family is Peter. I know nothing about Joanna > Goodby's parents or history though I would love to. > Sherry > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mswilkin-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:mswilkin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nan > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:05 AM > To: mswilkin@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MSWILKIN] Zachariah Smiths continued > > It just occurred to me that I have gone on the premise that all of the > 1st and 2nd generation offspring of Z & F traveled with them from N.C.- > Adams Co.-Wilkinson Co. Perhaps some were born and remained in Anson > County or elsewere. > > Sherry, as to the first 5 children of William, have you checked Adams > Co. records. Moses Bonner had a tract of land bordering our Widow Mary > Foster here on St. Catherine Creek which was also very near the tract > Zachariah purchased from Wm Penrice in 1783 and later sold to James > Foster before removing to Wilkinson Co. You might also wonder, was > there an epidemic in between the dates of birth of these children. So > many children died in these epidemics. At least Barbara can account for > Wm Martin Smith. > > > I have a copy of some research done by Carolyn Brendt of Birmingham, AL > She is a descendant of Capt Peter Smith through his daughter Frances > Matilda. Are any of you familiar with this? > Nan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MSWILKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MSWILKIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. 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