My family (whom I never met) lived in Woodville. They were neighbors to a family with the last name of "Duncan." That last name is also shown as a witness on a marriage license. Did your DUNCAN family lived in Woodville? merilou@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chandra Duncan-Scott" <chandra.scott@strayer.edu> To: <MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 2:26 PM Subject: RE: [MSWILKIN] The Woodville Republican > Would this include information on African-Americans from Woodville? > > Chandra Duncan-Scott > Academic Assistant > Strayer University, Morrow Campus > 3000 Corporate Center Drive > Morrow, GA 30260 > (678) 422-4111 / chandra.scott@strayer.edu > (678) 422-4130 / fax > > We Fit Your Life > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hdanw@aol.com [mailto:Hdanw@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:22 PM > To: MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MSWILKIN] The Woodville Republican > > Good news, for those who missed out purchasing the books which were > abstracts [selected] from the newspaper The Woodville Republican. > > These were published by Heritage Books, now located in Westminster, MD. > > Do a google.com search for heritage books > > Then your search terms - woodville republican > > I see that the first five volumes are on CD-ROM. I did not get the > price. > > Vol. 6 seems to be a new addition, and again, I did not check the price. > > My Wilkinson Co. folks had either 1) died and the probates need to be > researched or 2) relocated to Copiah Co., MS and later to TX or 3) appear > in the > records which are on microfilm at the Family History Library--and perhaps > at > the Mississippi Dept of History and Archives (or whatever its name is > now--politicians always change names if they can). > > The Woodville Republican snippets frequently give dates of death, marriage > dates and persons officiating and at whose home the marriage occurred, > etc. > > Lots of info about epidemics, etc. These are essential for those > searching > > for people in Wilkinson Co. and perhaps adjoining counties (or parishes). > > E.W.Wallace > > > > ==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== > unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com > unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com > admin: MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com > Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin > archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Tina Halls webpages: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > ==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== > unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com > unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com > admin: MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com > Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin > archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Tina Halls webpages: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

By all accounts, he was "eliminated." Whether or not he was omitted from the book has not been determined. Probably sad in either case. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry or Chuck Bearden" <bearden12@yahoo.com> To: <MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [MSWILKIN] Crimes in the county, how were they recorded in 1879? > The Woodville Republican excerpts do contain persons of color and also > contains births, deaths, marriages, arrests, releases, accidents, > burglaries, dog bites, insults, killings, shootings, feuds, fevers, > elections, meetings, and so much more. It would be worth it to me, > though, to read the full coverage films or micro-fiche. > Many articles have "colored" after the name. The books are indexed > by names and pages. Easy reference. > If one wants to take a walk back in time, I recommend these books by > Heritage Books Inc. of the compilations of this local newspaper.. > Did you give the name of your ancestor? I will gladly look him up in > these books, although he could have been eliminated and may be on film if > he is there at all. But for a feel of his time and life back then, you > should still read the above. Sherry Bearden > > kdberr1@aol.com wrote: > HI: > If someone was murdered in 1879 in Wilkinson Co., how was the crime > reported? What crime records were kept? Where should I look to find out > about the murder of my ancestor in the county? I have a death record but > nothing else but it says it was a hanging so I know it was a murder. Was > there a sheriff or any kind of policing force back then? > Thanks, > Kberry > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and > IM. All on demand. Always Free. > > > ==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== > unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com > unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com > admin: MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com > Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin > archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Tina Halls webpages: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== > unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com > unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com > admin: MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com > Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin > archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Tina Halls webpages: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

The Woodville Republican excerpts do contain persons of color and also contains births, deaths, marriages, arrests, releases, accidents, burglaries, dog bites, insults, killings, shootings, feuds, fevers, elections, meetings, and so much more. It would be worth it to me, though, to read the full coverage films or micro-fiche. Many articles have "colored" after the name. The books are indexed by names and pages. Easy reference. If one wants to take a walk back in time, I recommend these books by Heritage Books Inc. of the compilations of this local newspaper.. Did you give the name of your ancestor? I will gladly look him up in these books, although he could have been eliminated and may be on film if he is there at all. But for a feel of his time and life back then, you should still read the above. Sherry Bearden kdberr1@aol.com wrote: HI: If someone was murdered in 1879 in Wilkinson Co., how was the crime reported? What crime records were kept? Where should I look to find out about the murder of my ancestor in the county? I have a death record but nothing else but it says it was a hanging so I know it was a murder. Was there a sheriff or any kind of policing force back then? Thanks, Kberry ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com admin: MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Tina Halls webpages: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

By googling around, I finally got some information on Shelby Co., TN public library and its catalog. I was looking for newspapers, but I found this listed instead: List of Deaths in the City of Memphis, May 1848 - Dec. 1859 (WPA, 1936) I wonder if your correspondent might find some clues in a publication such as this. Since the compilation only goes up to 1859, perhaps the information is too early to be of help. I did not find a listing for newspapers, but there may be some for that time period. He/she might contact the reference librarian [specify reference librarian, the well-trained one] about conducting some research and offering a donation (or fee, as the case may be). Genealogy is NOT free always, and I would rather spend my money on a document or a book than something frivolous like a notable cup of coffee, but that's my choice!!! Everyone traveling on the Mississippi River seemed to be familiar with Memphis!!! E.W.Wallace E.W.Wallace

Thanks so much, Judy, for your evaluation of the selection of information in the Woodville Republican books. I have all 6 volumes and had found a lot on our Whites in them. A cousin had asked me to try to help him find information on the death of his ancestor, George Helmer, Sr., who was supposed to have been killed trying to stop a gunfight in Memphis, TN after 1850 and before 1860. Not finding anything to help him in newspapers here or in the Shelby Co. death records, I thought of trying the Woodville Republican, since surely an occurrence of such magnitude to a citizen and family of Wilkinson Co. would have made headlines in the Woodville Republican! I couldn't find any mention of it in the issues available in Volume 3, covering January 8, 1848-January 9, 1855 (with all of 1849 missing), so perhaps we should search the microfilms for 1850 to early 1855. However, the information he needs was probably in the missing issues for early 1855 to 1860, since Volume 4 picks up again with June 22, 1878. If anybody has any information on this incident, please let Kenny Helmer know. I am sorry that I can't give you a current e-mail address to reach him, though he probably still lives in TX. Kathryn Schultz kathysschultz@earthlink.net >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:19:36 -0500 >From: Judith A Trolinger <hoberta@trolinger.com> >To: MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MSWILKIN] The Woodville Republican > >A word to the wise....These books left out much more than they put >in! I don't know what criteria the author used in her selections-but >it was extremely random! I highly recommend you go thru the >original newspapers -filmed by FHL > >Judy

In a message dated 6/21/2006 5:00:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MSWILKIN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Don't know if this will give you any clues to your quest.... http://academic.evergreen.edu/p/pfeiferm/lynching_criminaljustice.html HI: I've already checked this site several times and have talked by phone to the researcher who created the site. He told me he has used New Orleans newspapers to research lynchings in LA. I'm considering whether to figure out how to get the lynching recorded on the site because my ancestor was a LA resident who was killed in MS. Incidentallly, my ancestor's lynching seems to fall outside the dates that lynchings are recorded on the Web -- 1880 and later seems to be the date that all of them start with. Kberry

The last time I spoke to anyone in the archives [it's been years] they did not charge for research if you lived in Mississippi. They charged $15 an hour for others. It would be cheaper to pay for several hours than make a trip from out of state. Having said that, I would still like to go as I am sure I would find things I never thought I wanted. Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delores Tousinau" <tousinau@bellsouth.net> To: <MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [MSWILKIN] MS dept of archives and history > You can write to the MS Archives and for a small search fee they will > search the names you send for one hour and send you a record of what > they find. You can then order copies for a small copy fee. We have > found many records this way. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Virginia Ewing" <vewing65@ctesc.net> > To: <MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:43 PM > Subject: [MSWILKIN] MS dept of archives and history > > >> http://zed.mdah.state.ms.us/F?func=find-b-0 >> >> This URL will take you to the Jackson Archives webpage. There is an >> interesting list of materials available at the archives, including >> several Woodville church records. Unfortunally only the names and >> discriptions are on line but at least you will know what is available >> before you make the trip. >> >> Virginia >> >> >> ==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== >> unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com >> unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com admin: >> MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com >> Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin >> archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >> Tina Halls webpages: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== > unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com > unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com admin: > MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com > Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin > archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Tina Halls webpages: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Don't know if this will give you any clues to your quest.... http://academic.evergreen.edu/p/pfeiferm/lynching_criminaljustice.html Google found this.. Judy At 09:30 AM 6/20/2006, you wrote: >HI: > >I can see that I need to clarify my question. > >My great-great grandfather was lynched in Sept. 1879. He was taken from a >house and hanged. His death was not the result of a legal execution. >He was the >victim of a crime. > >His murder was written about in the Woodville Republican newspaper in Sept. >1879. > >I want to find out if this murder was recorded in the legal system in any >way, and what records I should check. The death was recorded in the U.S. >Mortality Census, so that is at least one official source. > >Since he was a black man, I seriously doubt that anyone was prosecuted for >killing him. But I want to research his murder as thoroughly as >possible and it >seems to me that crime records should be searched. > >Thanks for all help. >Kberry > > >==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== >unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com >unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com >admin: MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com >Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin >archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >Tina Halls webpages: >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

A word to the wise....These books left out much more than they put in! I don't know what criteria the author used in her selections-but it was extremely random! I highly recommend you go thru the original newspapers -filmed by FHL Judy At 04:22 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote: >Good news, for those who missed out purchasing the books which were >abstracts [selected] from the newspaper The Woodville Republican. > >These were published by Heritage Books, now located in Westminster, MD. > >Do a google.com search for heritage books > >Then your search terms - woodville republican > >I see that the first five volumes are on CD-ROM. I did not get the price. > >Vol. 6 seems to be a new addition, and again, I did not check the price. > >My Wilkinson Co. folks had either 1) died and the probates need to be >researched or 2) relocated to Copiah Co., MS and later to TX or >3) appear in the >records which are on microfilm at the Family History Library--and perhaps at >the Mississippi Dept of History and Archives (or whatever its name is >now--politicians always change names if they can). > >The Woodville Republican snippets frequently give dates of death, marriage >dates and persons officiating and at whose home the marriage occurred, etc. >Lots of info about epidemics, etc. These are essential for those searching >for people in Wilkinson Co. and perhaps adjoining counties (or parishes). > >E.W.Wallace >

You can write to the MS Archives and for a small search fee they will search the names you send for one hour and send you a record of what they find. You can then order copies for a small copy fee. We have found many records this way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia Ewing" <vewing65@ctesc.net> To: <MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:43 PM Subject: [MSWILKIN] MS dept of archives and history > http://zed.mdah.state.ms.us/F?func=find-b-0 > > This URL will take you to the Jackson Archives webpage. There is an > interesting list of materials available at the archives, including several > Woodville church records. Unfortunally only the names and discriptions > are on line but at least you will know what is available before you make > the trip. > > Virginia > > > ==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== > unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com > unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com admin: MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com > Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin > archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Tina Halls webpages: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

http://zed.mdah.state.ms.us/F?func=find-b-0 This URL will take you to the Jackson Archives webpage. There is an interesting list of materials available at the archives, including several Woodville church records. Unfortunally only the names and discriptions are on line but at least you will know what is available before you make the trip. Virginia

Would this include information on African-Americans from Woodville? Chandra Duncan-Scott Academic Assistant Strayer University, Morrow Campus 3000 Corporate Center Drive Morrow, GA 30260 (678) 422-4111 / chandra.scott@strayer.edu (678) 422-4130 / fax We Fit Your Life -----Original Message----- From: Hdanw@aol.com [mailto:Hdanw@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:22 PM To: MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MSWILKIN] The Woodville Republican Good news, for those who missed out purchasing the books which were abstracts [selected] from the newspaper The Woodville Republican. These were published by Heritage Books, now located in Westminster, MD. Do a google.com search for heritage books Then your search terms - woodville republican I see that the first five volumes are on CD-ROM. I did not get the price. Vol. 6 seems to be a new addition, and again, I did not check the price. My Wilkinson Co. folks had either 1) died and the probates need to be researched or 2) relocated to Copiah Co., MS and later to TX or 3) appear in the records which are on microfilm at the Family History Library--and perhaps at the Mississippi Dept of History and Archives (or whatever its name is now--politicians always change names if they can). The Woodville Republican snippets frequently give dates of death, marriage dates and persons officiating and at whose home the marriage occurred, etc. Lots of info about epidemics, etc. These are essential for those searching for people in Wilkinson Co. and perhaps adjoining counties (or parishes). E.W.Wallace ==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com admin: MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Tina Halls webpages: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Good news, for those who missed out purchasing the books which were abstracts [selected] from the newspaper The Woodville Republican. These were published by Heritage Books, now located in Westminster, MD. Do a google.com search for heritage books Then your search terms - woodville republican I see that the first five volumes are on CD-ROM. I did not get the price. Vol. 6 seems to be a new addition, and again, I did not check the price. My Wilkinson Co. folks had either 1) died and the probates need to be researched or 2) relocated to Copiah Co., MS and later to TX or 3) appear in the records which are on microfilm at the Family History Library--and perhaps at the Mississippi Dept of History and Archives (or whatever its name is now--politicians always change names if they can). The Woodville Republican snippets frequently give dates of death, marriage dates and persons officiating and at whose home the marriage occurred, etc. Lots of info about epidemics, etc. These are essential for those searching for people in Wilkinson Co. and perhaps adjoining counties (or parishes). E.W.Wallace

I must have been blind when I looked for the Davis/Leak marriage. Yes, the Mary Francis who married William Truax was Mary Francis Davis. > > From: Sherry or Chuck Bearden <bearden12@yahoo.com> > Date: 2006/06/20 Tue PM 02:06:25 EDT > To: MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Re: [MSWILKIN] Westberry file [Changed subject: Filmed Original Records] > > The marriage of Lucy Davis and Alexander P. Leek, 4-9-1853, is listed in the Vol II Journal of Wilk. Co. History as taken from the courthouse. (Book I (letter after H), page 202. This spelling is as the Journal has it. > > By the way, my father tells us that Mary Francis married a William Truax. Could this be the Francis Davis listed as marrying William "Tmax", 4-22-1854, Book I,, page 297? Anyone know? Sherry Bearden > > tdelancy@bellsouth.net wrote: > I did most of my research in the 1980s when I was not working. I went back to work in 1991 so basically I didn't get any research done until recently, when I retired. I have made several trips to Woodville and need to make several more. They are the only courthouse I know that will not reply to written requests for records. All the other courthouses I have contacted have sent me a list of the records available (I specify the individual or time frame I am interested in), I order what I want and send them a check. One "unorthodox" method I found that when dealing with a rural area or small town, a letter written to the postmaster with an SASE enclosed, requesting a listing of a particular surname from the local phone book, always complied with the request, as well as writing about what they knew about the family. Sometimes the post master would go talk to the family in person, and send me his findings. Unfortunately, I do not live anywhere near an LDS center. I do li! > ve close to the state archives in Jackson, MS, but right now I've got "breakthroughs" on so many lines I'm going nuts. > > I do know that there are records missing from the Woodville Courthouse. I looked in vain for the record of the marriage of Alexander Leak and Lucy Davis and never found it. I mentioned the fact to a Wesberry/Leak relative in Wilkinson County (a sweet little elderly lady) and she sent me a clipping from the Woodville Republican from their "100 year ago column", etc. > > I did have many, many books, microfilm/fiche and reader and everthing a genealogist could possibly want. However, after going back to work I got severely depressed and realized that even my "hobby" was about death, so I gave everything to a girl I knew who was supposed to get what she needed and then donate them to the local library. You can imagine my shock and horror when I discovered three years ago that this never happened, she has left the state, and there's nothing I can do about it. And I could really use some of that information right now! > > Incidentally, I live approximately 30-45 minutes from Hazlehurst, so if you need any research done in Copiah, just let me know. My husband is descended from several families there so I'm very familiar with their library and courthouse. And for some reason, which I've never really looked into, a lot of the "Copiah" families were also in/still in Lawrence County. > > Thanks for the advice. > > Lucy > > > > From: Hdanw@aol.com > > Date: 2006/06/14 Wed AM 12:36:36 EDT > > To: MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [MSWILKIN] Westberry file [Changed subject: Filmed Original Records] > > > > Brenda has written of some published compilations of marriages of Wilkinson > > Co., MS. By all means, if your people lived and married there, you may want > > to collect other relatives. So I urge you to add to your library. > > > > However, when I began my research of my South Carolinians who migrated to > > Wilkinson Co., MS--Feliciana Parish, LA ca 1812-1815 [they trickled in--the > > eldest brothers coming first], I wrote to the county clerk, sent my money for a > > marriage record of a Feliciana resident who married across the State line. > > The record which I received was a 20th century form with the *blanks* filled > > in. > > > > Later, as I had more leisure, I ordered films of Wilkinson Co., MS to my > > local LDS center. Lo and behold, here is the marriage bond of my ancestor, with > > the name of the bondsman--the brother-in-law of the bride!!!! This latter > > information was missing from the record I received in the 20th century!!! > > > > So, begin your research with the published lists, but, if your schedule > > permits, order the films of the handwritten records of Wilkinson Co. (and also > > Feliciana Parish) to your local FHC and read them for more details. > > > > Probate records in both jurisdictions, as well as deeds, court records, etc. > > have certainly enriched my genealogical knowledge of my families. In > > Louisiana, of course, one has to know that the legal terminology is different, and > > sometimes there are records there which you will not see in > > Mississippi--notarial records for example. It was from the latter source that I learned of > > the middle name of a brother whose first name was William (with a quite common > > surname). > > > > Some legal terms in Louisiana > > > > Succession--probate > > > > Tutorship - guardianship > > > > And so on. > > > > E.W.Wallace > > who has ancestors from both jurisdictions who packed up and went to Copiah > > Co., MS > > > > > > ==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== > > unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com > > unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com > > admin: MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin > > archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > Tina Halls webpages: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > > New content added every business day. 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Sherry, Brenda (Okay I'm confused) I think I just answered this question on my previous post. However, I did put the Family Tree Maker CD Family File in the mail yesterday, and this should explain the Truax-Carter-Leak- connection. If not, let me know and I'll do some digging. I know I have the information in my files. > > From: Brenda White <brendywhite@bellsouth.net> > Date: 2006/06/20 Tue PM 02:32:41 EDT > To: MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MSWILKIN] Westberry file [Changed subject: Filmed Original > Records] > > on 6/20/06 1:06 PM, Sherry or Chuck Bearden at bearden12@yahoo.com wrote: > > > By the way, my father tells us that Mary Francis married a William Truax. > > Could this be the Francis Davis listed as marrying William "Tmax", 4-22-1854, > > Book I,, page 297? Anyone know? > > > Sherry, > > I have Mary Francis Davis b. abt. 1839 married William James Sr. b. abt. > 1811 on the above date. > > Now, what I really would like to know is why is she in the below listed > Carter family....and idea? > > 1860 Wilkinson Co. Census > HH 315 > Carter, Cynthia A., 21, F, MS > Enlow, Jane, 69 F, MS (this is Jane Floyd Carter Enlow) > Carter, Isaac, 17, M, planter, MS > (grandson to Jane & son of Jesse Abraham & Eleanor E. Lanehart) > Carter, David, 11, M, MS > (grandson & son of Jesse Abraham & Eleanor E. Lanehart) > Carter, Lydia R, 7, F, MS > (granddaughter & daughter of Jesse Abraham & Eleanor E. Lanehart) > Carter, Ellen A, 1, F, MS > (granddaughter & daughter of Jesse Abraham & Cynthia Ann Lanehart) > Truax, Frances, 21, F, MS > --Wm. J., 4, M, MS > --Mary L., 2, F, MS > > Brenda McCurley White > > > ==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== > unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com > unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com > admin: MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com > Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin > archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Tina Halls webpages: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

I don't know if this will help, but Frances Truax and her children William and Mary was a sister to Eliza Ruth Davis Wesberry and Lucy Davis Leak. The Leakes and the Carters are related. And I also remember getting electricity! > > From: Hdanw@aol.com > Date: 2006/06/20 Tue PM 02:57:40 EDT > To: MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MSWILKIN] Strangers in the Censuses > > Brenda wonders why Francis is in the household of the Carters in the 1860 > census. She gives this inforamtion > > 1860 Wilkinson Co. Census > HH 315 > Carter, Cynthia A., 21, F, MS > Enlow, Jane, 69 F, MS (this is Jane Floyd Carter Enlow) > Carter, Isaac, 17, M, planter, MS > (grandson to Jane & son of Jesse Abraham & Eleanor E. Lanehart) > Carter, David, 11, M, MS > (grandson & son of Jesse Abraham & Eleanor E. Lanehart) > Carter, Lydia R, 7, F, MS > (granddaughter & daughter of Jesse Abraham & Eleanor E. Lanehart) > Carter, Ellen A, 1, F, MS > (granddaughter & daughter of Jesse Abraham & Cynthia Ann Lanehart) > Truax, Frances, 21, F, MS > --Wm. J., 4, M, MS > --Mary L., 2, F, MS > > Brenda McCurley White > > > > > Confession: I really have not studied the instructions given to the > census-takers of 1860 census, but with some research, I probably could help you > further. This is what I have experienced, however, in reading censuses for my > ancestors: > > In order to complete my DAR application, I needed to find out more about my > great-grandmother (who lived to be 98 and died in the 1940s). The 1850 > census was no help--she had been born in Oct 1850, after the census had already > been taken--or only those persons in the household during the census-month were > counted. > > In 1860, I found her and her sister who had a similar name, in the household > of a stranger who lived in town. My great-grandmother's family lived on a > ranch (Texas size) far from schools. I am of the opinion that the children of > school age were boarded in town for their educations, and that is why these > two girls were *in town* with a strange family, who seemed unrelated. All > the relatives of these girls also lived on big ranches with no schools. (At > least that is my reasoning for her appearance in the census with a strange > unrelated family. > > We all form hypotheses as we go along in this crazy hobby, but don't be > glued to such hypotheses.) > > By 1870, my great-grandmother was married and not with her parents (her > father was deceased, anyway, soon after the Civil War). Had my cousin not helped > me find her obituary, which named her parents, in an old newspaper, I would > have had to have switched Patriots!!! Probably had I dug around in the > Probate papers of her father, I may have found some documentation of the > relationship. > > If I were a proper genealogist, I would be doing some research on the host > family with whom GGrMo was living to learn if there was indeed a > relationship--perhaps back in Mississippi or Louisiana where both her parents were born. > > Just a hint. This experience of mine not be true of your ancestor at all!!! > If no occupation is given, such as a teacher, then your guess is as good as > anyone's. In country counties, teachers boarded with families--I find lots > of such instances of boarders in rural censuses. In some instances, when I > was a youngster, and rural families sometimes lived FAR from the school (no > busing in those days), the family would hire a governess, and the student would > suddenly show up in our school to take exams. Where did that kid come from, > we *townies* would wonder. Way out there in the country!!! > > In fact, in researching the 1930 census for my maternal grandparents, I find > a teacher is boarding in their house. My mother, who came from a family of > eight children, said teachers frequently boarded with her family. There were > four bedrooms, a sleeping porch, and a bath house. Also, running water, but > not for toilets, only for the kitchen sink, where the water for dishes had > to be heated on a wood stove. > > E.W.Wallace > an aging genealogist who remembers when electricity was a novelty for most > families > > > > > > 1860 Wilkinson Co. Census > HH 315 > Carter, Cynthia A., 21, F, MS > Enlow, Jane, 69 F, MS (this is Jane Floyd Carter Enlow) > Carter, Isaac, 17, M, planter, MS > (grandson to Jane & son of Jesse Abraham & Eleanor E. Lanehart) > Carter, David, 11, M, MS > (grandson & son of Jesse Abraham & Eleanor E. Lanehart) > Carter, Lydia R, 7, F, MS > (granddaughter & daughter of Jesse Abraham & Eleanor E. Lanehart) > Carter, Ellen A, 1, F, MS > (granddaughter & daughter of Jesse Abraham & Cynthia Ann Lanehart) > Truax, Frances, 21, F, MS > --Wm. J., 4, M, MS > --Mary L., 2, F, MS > > Brenda McCurley White > > > > > > ==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== > unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com > unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com > admin: MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com > Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin > archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Tina Halls webpages: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Brenda wonders why Francis is in the household of the Carters in the 1860 census. She gives this inforamtion 1860 Wilkinson Co. Census HH 315 Carter, Cynthia A., 21, F, MS Enlow, Jane, 69 F, MS (this is Jane Floyd Carter Enlow) Carter, Isaac, 17, M, planter, MS (grandson to Jane & son of Jesse Abraham & Eleanor E. Lanehart) Carter, David, 11, M, MS (grandson & son of Jesse Abraham & Eleanor E. Lanehart) Carter, Lydia R, 7, F, MS (granddaughter & daughter of Jesse Abraham & Eleanor E. Lanehart) Carter, Ellen A, 1, F, MS (granddaughter & daughter of Jesse Abraham & Cynthia Ann Lanehart) Truax, Frances, 21, F, MS --Wm. J., 4, M, MS --Mary L., 2, F, MS Brenda McCurley White Confession: I really have not studied the instructions given to the census-takers of 1860 census, but with some research, I probably could help you further. This is what I have experienced, however, in reading censuses for my ancestors: In order to complete my DAR application, I needed to find out more about my great-grandmother (who lived to be 98 and died in the 1940s). The 1850 census was no help--she had been born in Oct 1850, after the census had already been taken--or only those persons in the household during the census-month were counted. In 1860, I found her and her sister who had a similar name, in the household of a stranger who lived in town. My great-grandmother's family lived on a ranch (Texas size) far from schools. I am of the opinion that the children of school age were boarded in town for their educations, and that is why these two girls were *in town* with a strange family, who seemed unrelated. All the relatives of these girls also lived on big ranches with no schools. (At least that is my reasoning for her appearance in the census with a strange unrelated family. We all form hypotheses as we go along in this crazy hobby, but don't be glued to such hypotheses.) By 1870, my great-grandmother was married and not with her parents (her father was deceased, anyway, soon after the Civil War). Had my cousin not helped me find her obituary, which named her parents, in an old newspaper, I would have had to have switched Patriots!!! Probably had I dug around in the Probate papers of her father, I may have found some documentation of the relationship. If I were a proper genealogist, I would be doing some research on the host family with whom GGrMo was living to learn if there was indeed a relationship--perhaps back in Mississippi or Louisiana where both her parents were born. Just a hint. This experience of mine not be true of your ancestor at all!!! If no occupation is given, such as a teacher, then your guess is as good as anyone's. In country counties, teachers boarded with families--I find lots of such instances of boarders in rural censuses. In some instances, when I was a youngster, and rural families sometimes lived FAR from the school (no busing in those days), the family would hire a governess, and the student would suddenly show up in our school to take exams. Where did that kid come from, we *townies* would wonder. Way out there in the country!!! In fact, in researching the 1930 census for my maternal grandparents, I find a teacher is boarding in their house. My mother, who came from a family of eight children, said teachers frequently boarded with her family. There were four bedrooms, a sleeping porch, and a bath house. Also, running water, but not for toilets, only for the kitchen sink, where the water for dishes had to be heated on a wood stove. E.W.Wallace an aging genealogist who remembers when electricity was a novelty for most families 1860 Wilkinson Co. Census HH 315 Carter, Cynthia A., 21, F, MS Enlow, Jane, 69 F, MS (this is Jane Floyd Carter Enlow) Carter, Isaac, 17, M, planter, MS (grandson to Jane & son of Jesse Abraham & Eleanor E. Lanehart) Carter, David, 11, M, MS (grandson & son of Jesse Abraham & Eleanor E. Lanehart) Carter, Lydia R, 7, F, MS (granddaughter & daughter of Jesse Abraham & Eleanor E. Lanehart) Carter, Ellen A, 1, F, MS (granddaughter & daughter of Jesse Abraham & Cynthia Ann Lanehart) Truax, Frances, 21, F, MS --Wm. J., 4, M, MS --Mary L., 2, F, MS Brenda McCurley White

One subscriber does not seem to understand *crime records.* I would label them criminal records. If a trial is held, then there are records. Even if the case is dismissed [or settled out of court] no doubt there is some kind of record. In my experience in poking around courthouses, mostly in Texas, but elsewhere as I have time and the inclination, I have found that criminal cases [assuming that there was a lawsuit] are recorded in different volumes than civil cases. Probate cases are recorded in other volumes, etc. Some states have Orphans courts, and these are recorded in different volumes. Juvenile courts are still another example, although this is a relatively new court in the US. If one follows notable criminal trials, such as that of the infamous O. J. Simpson trial, one finds that he was acquitted in his criminal trial. However, this event did not preclude his being tried in civil trials. His former sister-in-law and the Goldmans sued in civil trials, and a judgment was given against him. [This is not the correct wording, but anyway, in layman's terms--he won one, he lost one--or was it two or more?]. Not being a lawyer nor a paralegal, I am not familiar with all the ins and outs, but if one is going to prowl around a courthouse seeking records left by your ancestors, it pays to get acquainted with what records do exist--and what may be lurking in those volumes--and loose papers. For example, I subscribed to a genealogical journal from a county where one of my German ancestors spent his adult life. The journal listed his naturalization papers as being in the criminal records. I even wrote to the compiler of this index, a former county clerk, and he gave me some information. Further study of naturalization procedures around the end of the Civil War taught me that until the Federal government took over naturalizations, one could be naturalized in any court of record--note--any court of record. Perhaps the criminal court was the most convenient for my ancestor that particular day, and thus his naturalization appears in the criminal records. Oh, yes, his mother-in-law divorced her abandoning husband in 1862, and her divorce (which was heard by a jury) was also recorded in the criminal records--same county. While searching in another county, I found my stepmother's grandfather's naturalization was recorded in the probate records. Lesson: Your ancestor's records may be lurking almost any place!!!!! When you pick up a volume in a courthouse, especially a yellowing one, take a look through all the pages. A distant cousin in Kentucky found a bail bond which seems to link two of my common-named ancestors--probably father and son. One could really get in legal trouble for debt, and thus if you cannot find your ancestor, look in the court records. Everybody sued everybody!!! The first volume named The Source (published by Ancestry many years ago) has an explanation of most US courts--broken down by time period, as the courts have changed (and keep changing) over the decades. There are many charts. County courts are different from district courts and federal courts, and so on. The Source is one of the reference books which most genealogists should have in his/her personal library. There is a second version of The Source, with different editors and different subject matter, for the most part. E.W.Wallace always trying to learn how to unlock *the records*

I understand that, and points well taken. Nevertheless, if an individual was "lynched", chances are there were no records of it from either legal or crime records point of view. A poster stated that his relative was lynched, that's why I posted. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hdanw@aol.com> To: <MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [MSWILKIN] Guess I'm confused.... > One subscriber does not seem to understand *crime records.* I would > label > them criminal records. If a trial is held, then there are records. Even > if > the case is dismissed [or settled out of court] no doubt there is some > kind of > record. > > In my experience in poking around courthouses, mostly in Texas, but > elsewhere as I have time and the inclination, I have found that criminal > cases > [assuming that there was a lawsuit] are recorded in different volumes than > civil > cases. Probate cases are recorded in other volumes, etc. Some states > have > Orphans courts, and these are recorded in different volumes. Juvenile > courts > are still another example, although this is a relatively new court in the > US. > > If one follows notable criminal trials, such as that of the infamous O. J. > Simpson trial, one finds that he was acquitted in his criminal trial. > However, this event did not preclude his being tried in civil trials. His > former > sister-in-law and the Goldmans sued in civil trials, and a judgment was > given > against him. [This is not the correct wording, but anyway, in layman's > terms--he won one, he lost one--or was it two or more?]. > > Not being a lawyer nor a paralegal, I am not familiar with all the ins and > outs, but if one is going to prowl around a courthouse seeking records > left by > your ancestors, it pays to get acquainted with what records do exist--and > what may be lurking in those volumes--and loose papers. > > For example, I subscribed to a genealogical journal from a county where > one > of my German ancestors spent his adult life. The journal listed his > naturalization papers as being in the criminal records. I even wrote to > the compiler > of this index, a former county clerk, and he gave me some information. > > Further study of naturalization procedures around the end of the Civil War > taught me that until the Federal government took over naturalizations, one > could be naturalized in any court of record--note--any court of record. > Perhaps > the criminal court was the most convenient for my ancestor that particular > day, and thus his naturalization appears in the criminal records. > > Oh, yes, his mother-in-law divorced her abandoning husband in 1862, and > her > divorce (which was heard by a jury) was also recorded in the criminal > records--same county. > > While searching in another county, I found my stepmother's grandfather's > naturalization was recorded in the probate records. > > Lesson: Your ancestor's records may be lurking almost any place!!!!! > When > you pick up a volume in a courthouse, especially a yellowing one, take a > look > through all the pages. A distant cousin in Kentucky found a bail bond > which > seems to link two of my common-named ancestors--probably father and son. > One could really get in legal trouble for debt, and thus if you cannot > find > your ancestor, look in the court records. Everybody sued everybody!!! > > The first volume named The Source (published by Ancestry many years ago) > has > an explanation of most US courts--broken down by time period, as the > courts > have changed (and keep changing) over the decades. There are many > charts. > County courts are different from district courts and federal courts, and > so on. > > The Source is one of the reference books which most genealogists should > have > in his/her personal library. There is a second version of The Source, > with > different editors and different subject matter, for the most part. > > E.W.Wallace > always trying to learn how to unlock *the records* > > > > > > ==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== > unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com > unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com > admin: MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com > Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin > archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Tina Halls webpages: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

on 6/20/06 1:06 PM, Sherry or Chuck Bearden at bearden12@yahoo.com wrote: > By the way, my father tells us that Mary Francis married a William Truax. > Could this be the Francis Davis listed as marrying William "Tmax", 4-22-1854, > Book I,, page 297? Anyone know? Sherry, I have Mary Francis Davis b. abt. 1839 married William James Sr. b. abt. 1811 on the above date. Now, what I really would like to know is why is she in the below listed Carter family....and idea? 1860 Wilkinson Co. Census HH 315 Carter, Cynthia A., 21, F, MS Enlow, Jane, 69 F, MS (this is Jane Floyd Carter Enlow) Carter, Isaac, 17, M, planter, MS (grandson to Jane & son of Jesse Abraham & Eleanor E. Lanehart) Carter, David, 11, M, MS (grandson & son of Jesse Abraham & Eleanor E. Lanehart) Carter, Lydia R, 7, F, MS (granddaughter & daughter of Jesse Abraham & Eleanor E. Lanehart) Carter, Ellen A, 1, F, MS (granddaughter & daughter of Jesse Abraham & Cynthia Ann Lanehart) Truax, Frances, 21, F, MS --Wm. J., 4, M, MS --Mary L., 2, F, MS Brenda McCurley White