Marie, This is fantastic. They actually let you digitize the entire roll of film and save it to a CD? Is this done automatically? Is the copy clear and readable? I don't think we have this down here in Hattiesburg but will look into it. Mary -----Original Message----- From: Marie [mailto:mmama1@jam.rr.com] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:46 PM To: MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [MSWILKIN] marriage certificates from the Circuit Clerk Hi Virginia: The cost has gone up to $6.00 for the first rental and $5.00 to renew, so to keep indefinite it would cost $16.00. I don't know about every FHC but the one in Clinton has a machine that you can copy the film and then you can put it on a CD and bring it home and make your copies. Have a blessed day, Marie -----Original Message----- From: Virginia Ewing [mailto:vewing65@ctesc.net] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:44 PM To: MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MSWILKIN] marriage certificates from the Circuit Clerk I wanted to make a few comments on some of Ms Wallace's suggestions in the message below. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hdanw@aol.com> To: <MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [MSWILKIN] marriage certificates from the Circuit Clerk >I do second Virginia' suggestions about trying to obtain records for >early > Wilkinson Co., MS -- that is on film, either from the Mississippi State > Archives [which has a website] or from film from the Family History > Library in Salt > Lake City. The last time I spoke to them, the state archives charge $15 for research on any copies you might want. I don't know if they would be certified. If you want a certified copy you can get one by sending $10 to the Circuit Clerk, as I explained in my previous letter. If all you want is to take notes, as I do, ordering the microfilm would be your best bet. You will find the bond, license, and marriage certificate all on one page. I would suggest the microfilm if you are interested in knowing who signed the bond with the groom. Later marriage licenses sometimes give the name of the nearest relative, but that come much later. If all you need is the date of the marriage, there are two really good marriage books available at a very reasonable price. > For example, the film has photos of the actual marriage bond, if in > early > days, rather than a so-called marriage certificate The bond's, license and marriage are all recorded on one page in the marriage books. The bond gives the name of the groom and one other person signing for the bond. The license has the name of the groom and bride and date it was issued, the marriage is filled in at the bottom of the page. Sometimes the marriage dates are not filled in. That doesn't mean the marriage never took place. I check the census to see if the show up as a couple. Some of the marriages in the area where performed by passing preachers who did not take the time to record the marriages. > For instance, for less than $10 a film [indefinite loan, This is no longer true. The rates of renting a microfilm has gone up, for the first time in many years. It is now a bit over $5 for the first rental. I haven't checked to see what an indefinite loan would be but they are still one of the best deals going. Virginia ==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com admin: MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Tina Halls webpages: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx ==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com admin: MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Tina Halls webpages: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Virginia: The cost has gone up to $6.00 for the first rental and $5.00 to renew, so to keep indefinite it would cost $16.00. I don't know about every FHC but the one in Clinton has a machine that you can copy the film and then you can put it on a CD and bring it home and make your copies. Have a blessed day, Marie -----Original Message----- From: Virginia Ewing [mailto:vewing65@ctesc.net] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:44 PM To: MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MSWILKIN] marriage certificates from the Circuit Clerk I wanted to make a few comments on some of Ms Wallace's suggestions in the message below. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hdanw@aol.com> To: <MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [MSWILKIN] marriage certificates from the Circuit Clerk >I do second Virginia' suggestions about trying to obtain records for >early > Wilkinson Co., MS -- that is on film, either from the Mississippi State > Archives [which has a website] or from film from the Family History > Library in Salt > Lake City. The last time I spoke to them, the state archives charge $15 for research on any copies you might want. I don't know if they would be certified. If you want a certified copy you can get one by sending $10 to the Circuit Clerk, as I explained in my previous letter. If all you want is to take notes, as I do, ordering the microfilm would be your best bet. You will find the bond, license, and marriage certificate all on one page. I would suggest the microfilm if you are interested in knowing who signed the bond with the groom. Later marriage licenses sometimes give the name of the nearest relative, but that come much later. If all you need is the date of the marriage, there are two really good marriage books available at a very reasonable price. > For example, the film has photos of the actual marriage bond, if in > early > days, rather than a so-called marriage certificate The bond's, license and marriage are all recorded on one page in the marriage books. The bond gives the name of the groom and one other person signing for the bond. The license has the name of the groom and bride and date it was issued, the marriage is filled in at the bottom of the page. Sometimes the marriage dates are not filled in. That doesn't mean the marriage never took place. I check the census to see if the show up as a couple. Some of the marriages in the area where performed by passing preachers who did not take the time to record the marriages. > For instance, for less than $10 a film [indefinite loan, This is no longer true. The rates of renting a microfilm has gone up, for the first time in many years. It is now a bit over $5 for the first rental. I haven't checked to see what an indefinite loan would be but they are still one of the best deals going. Virginia ==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com admin: MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Tina Halls webpages: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

I wanted to make a few comments on some of Ms Wallace's suggestions in the message below. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hdanw@aol.com> To: <MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [MSWILKIN] marriage certificates from the Circuit Clerk >I do second Virginia' suggestions about trying to obtain records for >early > Wilkinson Co., MS -- that is on film, either from the Mississippi State > Archives [which has a website] or from film from the Family History > Library in Salt > Lake City. The last time I spoke to them, the state archives charge $15 for research on any copies you might want. I don't know if they would be certified. If you want a certified copy you can get one by sending $10 to the Circuit Clerk, as I explained in my previous letter. If all you want is to take notes, as I do, ordering the microfilm would be your best bet. You will find the bond, license, and marriage certificate all on one page. I would suggest the microfilm if you are interested in knowing who signed the bond with the groom. Later marriage licenses sometimes give the name of the nearest relative, but that come much later. If all you need is the date of the marriage, there are two really good marriage books available at a very reasonable price. > For example, the film has photos of the actual marriage bond, if in > early > days, rather than a so-called marriage certificate The bond's, license and marriage are all recorded on one page in the marriage books. The bond gives the name of the groom and one other person signing for the bond. The license has the name of the groom and bride and date it was issued, the marriage is filled in at the bottom of the page. Sometimes the marriage dates are not filled in. That doesn't mean the marriage never took place. I check the census to see if the show up as a couple. Some of the marriages in the area where performed by passing preachers who did not take the time to record the marriages. > For instance, for less than $10 a film [indefinite loan, This is no longer true. The rates of renting a microfilm has gone up, for the first time in many years. It is now a bit over $5 for the first rental. I haven't checked to see what an indefinite loan would be but they are still one of the best deals going. Virginia

I do second Virginia' suggestions about trying to obtain records for early Wilkinson Co., MS -- that is on film, either from the Mississippi State Archives [which has a website] or from film from the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. For example, the film has photos of the actual marriage bond, if in early days, rather than a so-called marriage certificate which may be on a current-day form without the full information which is on a bond. You want to know who the bondman may be. He may be another family member--and thus important to your research. For instance, for less than $10 a film [indefinite loan, I believe], you can order films of the early records of Wilkinson Co., MS and many other places in the US through your nearby Family History Center. Although I have visited Woodville, I did not go near the courthouse. I went to the Library and found that my local Family History Center had more genealogical books on Mississippi than did the library in Woodville. On that trip, I had spent some time across the State line--at West Feliciana Parish house--and found the clerk impatient and not well informed. I asked where the books of early deeds were kept. She replied they did not have deeds. I asked what they were called in Louisiana. She replied *cash sales*. I found they are labeled conveyances. In another Louisiana parish, the youngish [again, not well informed] clerk told me they had no records of early marriages in that parish. I counted to ten under my breath, and observing that there was another patron [probably a divorce lawyer] present, I stated, these records for the most part are public records. Do you mind if I come behind the desk and take a look at your public records? Suddenly, realizing that I understood my rights as a citizen, not of Louisiana, however, he pulled out a small book about the size of what we used to call *memory books*--and lo and behold, on the second page, I found my ancestor giving consent for his stepson to marry. I had not even known of a first marriage for my ancestor--apparently to a widow old enough to be the mother of a son of marriageable age!!! I have had rebuffs or discouragement from other county clerks in other states. Genealogists have to learn 1) how to be persuasive--or demanding, as the case may be 2) be polite 3) learn as much as you can about the records which MAY be available to you, and so on. When I first attended lectures by well-known genealogists, they frequently said--the documents you want are either in the basement or in the attic of the courthouse!! They did not tell me that some of them have been tossed out by the county clerks. That information came later. Experienced genealogists generally advise wearing clothing which is washable. But try to wear business-like clothing. When one dresses decently, you may find, as I have that title-searchers or lawyers in the search rooms will help you find records--volunteering their services. One title searcher even gave me a map of the county in which I was searching and pointed out the area where my ancestor's name appeared on a highway marker. Be polite, but firm. But don't forget that you may be able to find the record--on film--at your nearby Family History Center. If you are unfamiliar with the records held by the county (or parish), first do a web-site search for Rootsweb, CyndisList, also the Family History Library Catalog--not only the catalog but also the research guides formulated by the Family History Library genealogists. Each state, in my experience, has slightly different records. And the indexing, at least of deeds, is slightly different even in adjoining counties. That's why cutting your teeth by viewing the films is most helpful. You can get acquainted with the content (and the indexing) without spending precious vacation time rooting around in a courthouse where you feel you are unwelcome. E.W.Wallace

Hi Virginia, Do you need a census search? Or do you have all of those for Wilkinson? Judy At 11:05 PM 7/29/2006, you wrote: >I believe I copied these from the loose probate papers. >I do have one question that someone out there might answer; In the >first records the heirs are listed as: Moses Cavin, David N. Cavin & >Mary Jane Cavin; in later records the heirs are listed as Moses >Cavin, James P. Cavin & Mary Jane Cavin. >Anyone have any idea why James P. was left off the first list and >David N off the others? > >I have her children as >1. WILLIAM THOMAS CAVIN JR. > >2. WALTER CAVIN > >3. ROBERT CAVIN > >4. JAMES PIAS CAVIN > >5. INFANT.(Male) > >2 months old, 3 July 1850 Mississippi. This child either died or is >Moses, two years younger than thought. > >6. MOSES CAVIN > >7. DAVID NATHAN CAVIN > > > >----------------------------------------------- > >from loose probate records > >MARY JANE SHROPSHIRE CAVIN > > > >17 Nov. 1868 > >W. T. CAVIN, petitioner: Moses Cavin a minor more than 14 years & >one of the heirs of his mother, Mary Jane Cavin elected your >Petitioner as his legal guardian. > >Mary Jane Cavin left two other children DAVID N. CAVIN & MARY JANE >CAVIN who are now minors under 14. > >Their father and mother are both dead. They are Minor children, >heirs to their mother, Mary Jane Cavin, for a small property & some money. > >____________________________________________ > > > >23 Nov 1868 > >Wesley Riley & David Day were present when Walter Shropshire when >500 acres more or less on this side of Buffalo was sold to M. A. >Crisp & T. L. Whetstone for $3703 abt 200 acres on the other side of >Buffalo to Moses Cavin for $2300 & 700 acres of home place for $6203. > >Sale made of Walter Shropshire este by W. T. Cavin for purpose of >distruibution among leagal heirs of Walter Shropshire deceased. > >_____________________________________ > > > > > >Guardian of personal estate of Mary Jane, James P & Moses Cavin, >children & heirs of Mary Cavin deceased, none over 21. 19 May 1873. > > > >The undersigned heirs of Mary Cavin > >Mary Jane a married woman, wife of J. B. Smith, had a full settlement. > >W. T. Cavin, guardian of Mary Jane Smith, James P. Cavin & Moses >Cavin. 19 Mary 1873. > > > > > >==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== >unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com >unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com admin: MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com >Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin >archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >Tina Halls webpages: >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > No genealogical joy matches seeking and finding that which was thought not to exist.

some time ago I wrote about Bashti Day who md. David Bryant 31 Dec 1829. I had found this marriage in the Wilkinson co. Marriage records put out by the Woodville Civic Club and compiled by Linda Gene Carter. This was the name recorded for the marriage, which was performed by John Ashley. Checking the Marriage bond [bk. E pg 115] David Briant and VASHTI DAY 29 Dec. 1829. the bond was signed by David Briant & Wm. D. Crum. I was pretty sure the name would be Vashti as it is a name that appears in the Day family. I can not prove she was the daughter of Jonathan Day and Cecealia Oglesby but it is very likely. Virginia

This Cavin seems to have moved from Wilkinson county to Franklin Parish Louisiana. I am not sure who they are but some of you might want this. Virginia from loose probate papers R. L. Cavin/ Mary E. Magruder Dec Term 1903 James L. Cavin, Eunice E. Cavin, William S. Cavin, Magruder Cavin, Mary E. Cavin, Essie I. Cavin, minor children of the said Wilkinson County now Franklin Parish, La, by their father & next friend, R. R. Cavin. Heirs own jointly 40 acres in Wilkinson county. Petitioner ask for sale of land. G. Shannon solicitor for the parties. Land was bought by R. L. Cavin for $40. 1 Feb 1904 Notice to continue 9 May 1904.

I believe I copied these from the loose probate papers. I do have one question that someone out there might answer; In the first records the heirs are listed as: Moses Cavin, David N. Cavin & Mary Jane Cavin; in later records the heirs are listed as Moses Cavin, James P. Cavin & Mary Jane Cavin. Anyone have any idea why James P. was left off the first list and David N off the others? I have her children as 1. WILLIAM THOMAS CAVIN JR. 2. WALTER CAVIN 3. ROBERT CAVIN 4. JAMES PIAS CAVIN 5. INFANT.(Male) 2 months old, 3 July 1850 Mississippi. This child either died or is Moses, two years younger than thought. 6. MOSES CAVIN 7. DAVID NATHAN CAVIN ----------------------------------------------- from loose probate records MARY JANE SHROPSHIRE CAVIN 17 Nov. 1868 W. T. CAVIN, petitioner: Moses Cavin a minor more than 14 years & one of the heirs of his mother, Mary Jane Cavin elected your Petitioner as his legal guardian. Mary Jane Cavin left two other children DAVID N. CAVIN & MARY JANE CAVIN who are now minors under 14. Their father and mother are both dead. They are Minor children, heirs to their mother, Mary Jane Cavin, for a small property & some money. ____________________________________________ 23 Nov 1868 Wesley Riley & David Day were present when Walter Shropshire when 500 acres more or less on this side of Buffalo was sold to M. A. Crisp & T. L. Whetstone for $3703 abt 200 acres on the other side of Buffalo to Moses Cavin for $2300 & 700 acres of home place for $6203. Sale made of Walter Shropshire este by W. T. Cavin for purpose of distruibution among leagal heirs of Walter Shropshire deceased. _____________________________________ Guardian of personal estate of Mary Jane, James P & Moses Cavin, children & heirs of Mary Cavin deceased, none over 21. 19 May 1873. The undersigned heirs of Mary Cavin Mary Jane a married woman, wife of J. B. Smith, had a full settlement. W. T. Cavin, guardian of Mary Jane Smith, James P. Cavin & Moses Cavin. 19 Mary 1873.

To order certified copies of marriage records from the Circuit Clerk's office send you request to Circuit Clerk, P. O. Box 327, Woodville MS. 39669 include a money order for $10, payable to M. C. Allen [the Circuit Clerk] This is the fee for looking up the license, making a copy, and mailing it out. It doesn't matter where you know the book and page, the fee is still the same. phone number 601 888 6697 There are two sets of books, one for white marriages, one for black marriages so it is very important that you include the race. I also asked about obtaining copies of deeds in the Chanucy Clerk's office but the worker there did not understand what I was asking and I finally gave up trying to explain it to her. She was under the impression that all the books for the 1800s had been put in the basement and, even when I showed her the books for the 1800s deeds, and they have books of index for the books, she could still not understand how simple it would be to find these records. I am sure there are better trained people working there, but they didn't seem to be there at the time. There is another way of getting these records, and much cheaper. If you live near a Family History Center, order the marriage records, deeds, wills, what ever, on microfilm and make your own copies. All the marriage records, black and white, to 1920, are on microfilm as are the early wills, probates, deed books, etc. Check the list in the Family History Library Catalog at familysearch.org. Virginia

to take up a discussion from a few weeks back--I went to Wilkinson county and my cousin and I drove down the Perrytown road and stopped and talked to a family I thought John Robert Murray said would know the location of the cemetery. They did know of an old cemetery they called the "Havard Cemetery". The man said there were two headstones but they were sinking into the ground and covered with dirt and would need cleaning to read. The directions we received took us 1.03 of a mile from Roseta on the left side of the road. There was a road leading into the place with a locked gate and a note that the property was posted by the Racks II hunting club. If there is someone in the area that would know members of the club, or owner of the property, they could probably tell them more about the graveyard. The people who gave us directions lived in a house which sets in a sink on the left side of the road and had several trailer houses around it. I don't know that this would be the cemetery where my great grandmother Laura Annie Anders Gober was buried. I am sure there are many of these small cemeteries lost in the woods, some with no headstones remaining to indicate there were ever people buried there. Virginia

In a message dated 7/24/2006 11:00:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MSWILKIN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Problem with lynchings is that many were not recorded as such and many African Americans just ended up "missing." If there was not some type of publicity or other reason for the information to surface, then many lynchings went unnoticed. Many families, fearing for their lives, would not even discuss these situations even if they had information that would substantiate that a lynching had taken place. Fortunately I have the record from the U.S. Mortality Census, so the family did talk about what happened, plus the newspaper article. I'm still surprised that it was so easy to research. I think I held off for years because I only knew about lynchings from TV and thought they would be kept secret. My grandfather told me the story of his grandfather's death, so it was handed down in the family. Why he didn't tell my mom and her siblings about it I don't know. Strange, because he told us about it when we told him we were researching the family. He was open about it when asked, said his father told him what happened. Other older family members knew about it too. Glad we interviewed him or we may have never found out about it. Kberry

Dear Mississippi Territory Researchers To do a search of possible inhabitants of *West Florida*, which includes most of the territory (except Texas which was owned by Mexico and prior to that to Spain) along the middle Gulf Coast, one has to do some diligent searching. How much time do you have? To begin, try to find (with the help of your public librarian if you live in a metropolitan area) this book, which is an INDEX [and that only] Phillip McMullin, GRASSROOTS OF AMERICA If you live near an LDS family history center, order six microfiche (each microfiche costs 15 cents) with this number, FHL US/CAN Fiche 6051323 Let's see--that is less than the cost of a Starbuck's coffee! The book (which is expensive if you try to buy it today) has been filmed, as stated above. Also, it is an INDEX--the introduction is almost a PhD document, however. It covers these Congressional records for all the early mid-part of the United States. By googling, I found an explanation of Grassroots of America www.houstonlibrary.org/clayton/clf/lr002.html Grassroots of America is a computerized index to many volumes called the Gales and Seaton edition [this edition only] of American State Papers. What are American State Papers? They are many volumes published under the auspices of the early United States Congress and have to do with all kinds of matters which came before Congress about the early 1800s. It seems the British burned many of the records in Washington DC and these volumes are to replace many of those papers. There are volumes and volumes, but the ones ancestor-searchers are mainly interested in are the land records and claims. That is why one MUST read, at least partially, the opening pages of The Grassroots of America. (Who told you genealogy was easy?) Anyway Grassroots of America is full of surnames (plus first names). If you find the names in which you are interested, copy [or better photocopy] carefully the names in which you are interested. The first number given after the name will be the volume number of the many volumes. The second number will be the page or pages of that volume or those volumes. You will need this information to plow through these Congressional papers---and tables and tables. In many cases, parts of the books pertaining to land claims in Mississippi Territory (which included large parts of Louisiana) have been reproduced over and over again, and if you search for the name Walter Lowrie, you may find some records which pertain to EARLY inhabitants of what is now Mississippi. In any case, do an AUTHOR search for Walter Lowrie. You will find that Southern Historical Press of Easley, SC has republished two of his books. The one for Mississippi has some introductory notes by the eminent genealogist/lecturer/author, Elizabeth Shown Mills. One book has to do with Orleans and another with Mississippi. In Mississippi and Louisiana Libraries, you may find these books on the shelves of your local or nearby libraries. By the way, do a google.com search for American State Papers. One of the hits I got with google led me to online volumes, but still, one needs an index. Do you want to wade through images and images of volumes and volumes? Don't give up. Talk to your local public librarian about interlibrary loan of Grassroots of America, in case you are not near an LDS FHC.. A librarian told some of us in a recent talk that most Universities and colleges let their books circulate, and in the summer, you may get a better chance at these books. (Have you visited a University library recently? Except for computers, how many students are using books?) If you know of persons who have ancestors of early date in Louisiana, Mississippi, and what later became Alabama, forward some of this information to them. But the index plus the American State Papers pertain to claims from border to border--in what I loosely call The Louisiana Purchase, and that includes all the territory between Michigan and probably Minnesota. After hearing a lecture on Grassroots of America, I spotted the index in my local FH center. I found listed the seven Scott brothers of Feliciana Parish I was searching and also one of their two brothers-in-law. Two of them married girls/women who lived in Wilkinson Co., MS, although one marriage had taken place in Sumter Co. SC (or thereabouts). And let me tell you this--the records in Louisiana and Mississippi are greatly superior to those which one can find for early South Carolina, outside of Charleston. Ancestors turn up in some unusual records!! By the way, for any researchers whose people were early in the area called The Louisiana Purchase, which runs from Canada to the Gulf Coast, you, too, will be interested in Grassroots of America. Be a generous patron, and order these six microfiche to your local Family History Center, if at all possible. You might prowl around a University library to try to find American State Papers--many volumes. That is why you need the index, such as Grassroots of America. The American State Papers have been republished by the same publishing company mentioned above, but also the volumes have been filmed by the FH Library. Use this information to search the catalog. The Class 8 is the one you want for land claims. American state papers : documents, legislative and executive of the Congress of the United States E.W.Wallace E.W.Wallace always trying to learn something new in genealogy, that is!

Problem with lynchings is that many were not recorded as such and many African Americans just ended up "missing." If there was not some type of publicity or other reason for the information to surface, then many lynchings went unnoticed. Many families, fearing for their lives, would not even discuss these situations even if they had information that would substantiate that a lynching had taken place. I too, have had these questions with regards to missing family members, especially males in Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia. Good luck! Chandra Duncan-Scott Academic Assistant Strayer University, Morrow Campus 3000 Corporate Center Drive Morrow, GA 30260 (678) 422-4111 / chandra.scott@strayer.edu (678) 422-4130 / fax We Fit Your Life -----Original Message----- From: Kdberr1@aol.com [mailto:Kdberr1@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 6:33 AM To: MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MSWILKIN] Re: Research puzzle: Murder in Mississippi in 1879 In a message dated 7/21/2006 11:01:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MSWILKIN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Looks like you've pretty much covered the subject. What other info are you looking for? Thanks for the responses. As I said in my original message, I am exploring the circumstances of Charles' death, and I want to find out as much as I can about his life. I want to go beyond merely documenting the lynching. As far as the Phares family is concerned I think I may have made a mistake. Another researcher sent me biographical info that gives the names of 4 of D.L.'s children but doesn't include Wilbert Phares as his son. However a Wilbert Phares shows up in the 1870 Census as living with D.L. in 1870 in Wilkinson Co. So now I'm not sure that he was a relative of D.L. I don't know who Wilbert Phares' descendants are so I can't contact them. Kberry ==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com admin: MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Tina Halls webpages: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

That is good advice==looking for theses and dissertations. While prowling around my nearby University research library, I found a thesis regarding colonial Surry Co., VA, a place where some of my earliest Virginia families lived for a time before removing to North Carolina in the 1750s.. I have seldom used NUMUC [National Union Catalog of Manuscript Collections].... published in the past by the Library of Congress], but when I have looked up a couple of surnames--surprises!!! An unknown publication by an author known to be related to my Dad, and another collection by a priest, also related to my Dad. An explanation and a list of titles on various websites, beginning here: _http://www.loc.gov/coll/nucmc/rlinsearch.html_ (http://www.loc.gov/coll/nucmc/rlinsearch.html) Be a snoop!!! E.W.Wallace

You might look for scholarly theses or dissertations written by graduate students. These are usually available via interlibrary loan from the university where the student obtained his/her degree. Usually, academic libraries have books that list the titles of such research. Look up "Lynching" and don't limit yourself to Mississippi universities. Particularly look into graduate research done in New Orleans universities (UNO and Tulane). Check the historical journals such as the Journal of Louisiana History, and those published by other historical associations -- Southern Historical Review, etc. Good luck!

Hi KBerry and all others, Would you mind sharing the sheriffs name. I am trying to track down what happened to my great-great grandfather and 3 of his sons. Our family history goes that the family had a dispute with him and were somehow related. After the dispute the family moved to Omaha Nb. In 1870 Dan Jewell, his sons Dan Jr., Freddie, and Aaron are all listed in the 1870 census. By 1880 Pinta his wife is listed as a widow and sons Dan, Freddie, and Aaron have disappeared. The family for no apparent reason and without relatives move to Omaha before 1890. Are lynchings or deaths of Black folk listed anywhere? Dan Jewell was a carpenter and owned property and his widow Pinta Lennox was able to move to Omaha and buy property with 5 other children. Patrice Wilson patrice.wilson@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: Kdberr1@aol.com [mailto:Kdberr1@aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 9:34 AM To: MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Research puzzle: Murder in Mississippi in 1879 HI: I'm researching the murder of my great-great-grandfather, Charles Brown. He was lynched in September 1879 near Woodville, Mississippi. I have documented his death in 3 ways: U.S. Mortality Census for 1880; his wife was a widow according to the 1880 Census; and a newspaper article reporting the lynching. He was building a house for Wilbert Phares, son of a renowned doctor in Woodville, David Lewis Phares. He arrived at the Phares house and started arguing with Wilbert's wife Mary and reportedly threatened her with a hatchet. Wilbert and a worker, Louis Swift, subdued him and held him at the house for the sheriff. Neighbors came to the house that night, took him away and hanged him. I am exploring the circumstances of Charles' death, and I want to find out as much as I can about his life. I just returned from a research trip to MS this week, but as I expected I couldn't find out much at the state archives. My question to the list is whether I'm on the right track and are checking as many sources of information available. Should I check circuit court records in Wilkinson Co., MS? I have the names of the mayor and sheriff in Sept. 1879. I'd also like to find out the newspaper's sources for its article (they only said "this is what we were able to find out." What records should I check in East Feliciana Parish, where he lived? The local paper reprinted the MS article. I am also thinking of checking LA deeds (because he was a carpenter and owned $100 in property according to the 1870 Census), churches that may have existed at the time, and would like to find out where he is buried. I do understand that the lynching of a black man in 1879 in MS is very likely not to be prosecuted, but I still am pressing on and researching anyway. (I was told that I wouldn't be able to document his death, and I did.) Thanks for all help. Kberry ______________________________

In a message dated 7/21/2006 11:01:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MSWILKIN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Looks like you've pretty much covered the subject. What other info are you looking for? Thanks for the responses. As I said in my original message, I am exploring the circumstances of Charles' death, and I want to find out as much as I can about his life. I want to go beyond merely documenting the lynching. As far as the Phares family is concerned I think I may have made a mistake. Another researcher sent me biographical info that gives the names of 4 of D.L.'s children but doesn't include Wilbert Phares as his son. However a Wilbert Phares shows up in the 1870 Census as living with D.L. in 1870 in Wilkinson Co. So now I'm not sure that he was a relative of D.L. I don't know who Wilbert Phares' descendants are so I can't contact them. Kberry

Suggest as some background material you use the genealogist's friend: google.com Search terms" "lynching in mississippi" [use the quotation marks] There seems to a master's thesis or something similar. It will not speak of your ancestor (I don't think) but will give you some background information. Some of my friends prefer other search engins, such as *dogpile* May your research lead you to some more answers. E.W.Wallace whose Wilkinson Co. folks either died there--or went away, mostly to Texas

Sure wish I could help you. The depth and knowledge of your research amazes me and you certainly are due a break. I'll keep you and your research in mind because you never know which family is going to have a tiny little break that will really help you. Best wishes, Lucy - One last thought - have you done any research on the Phares family? A story like that would surely be remembered down through the generations. > > From: "hessf" <hessf@bellsouth.net> > Date: 2006/07/21 Fri AM 10:41:19 EDT > To: MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MSWILKIN] Research puzzle: Murder in Mississippi in 1879 > > Looks like you've pretty much covered the subject. What other info are you > looking for? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Kdberr1@aol.com> > To: <MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 9:33 AM > Subject: [MSWILKIN] Research puzzle: Murder in Mississippi in 1879 > > > > HI: > > I'm researching the murder of my great-great-grandfather, Charles Brown. > > He > > was lynched in September 1879 near Woodville, Mississippi. > > > > I have documented his death in 3 ways: U.S. Mortality Census for 1880; his > > wife was a widow according to the 1880 Census; and a newspaper article > > reporting the lynching. > > > > He was building a house for Wilbert Phares, son of a renowned doctor in > > Woodville, David Lewis Phares. He arrived at the Phares house and started > > arguing > > with Wilbert's wife Mary and reportedly threatened her with a hatchet. > > Wilbert > > and a worker, Louis Swift, subdued him and held him at the house for the > > sheriff. Neighbors came to the house that night, took him away and hanged > > him. > > > > I am exploring the circumstances of Charles' death, and I want to find out > > as > > much as I can about his life. > > > > I just returned from a research trip to MS this week, but as I expected I > > couldn't find out much at the state archives. > > > > My question to the list is whether I'm on the right track and are checking > > as > > many sources of information available. > > > > > > Should I check circuit court records in Wilkinson Co., MS? I have the > > names > > of the mayor and sheriff in Sept. 1879. I'd also like to find out the > > newspaper's sources for its article (they only said "this is what we were > > able to find > > out." > > > > What records should I check in East Feliciana Parish, where he lived? The > > local paper reprinted the MS article. I am also thinking of checking LA > > deeds > > (because he was a carpenter and owned $100 in property according to the > > 1870 > > Census), churches that may have existed at the time, and would like to > > find out > > where he is buried. > > > > I do understand that the lynching of a black man in 1879 in MS is very > > likely > > not to be prosecuted, but I still am pressing on and researching anyway. > > (I > > was told that I wouldn't be able to document his death, and I did.) > > > > Thanks for all help. > > > > Kberry > > > > > > ==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== > > unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com > > unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com > > admin: MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin > > archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > Tina Halls webpages: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== > unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com > unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com > admin: MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com > Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin > archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Tina Halls webpages: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Probably nothing really unique about a lynching at that time, in Mississippi or anywhere else in this country. It's just that the state of Mississippi has been given the "bad boy" image...and, chances are that more information is available in the state of Mississippi than other states or territories. ----- Original Message ----- From: <tdelancy@bellsouth.net> To: <MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 6:29 PM Subject: Re: Re: [MSWILKIN] Research puzzle: Murder in Mississippi in 1879 > Sure wish I could help you. The depth and knowledge of your research > amazes me and you certainly are due a break. I'll keep you and your > research in mind because you never know which family is going to have a > tiny little break that will really help you. Best wishes, Lucy - One last > thought - have you done any research on the Phares family? A story like > that would surely be remembered down through the generations. >> >> From: "hessf" <hessf@bellsouth.net> >> Date: 2006/07/21 Fri AM 10:41:19 EDT >> To: MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MSWILKIN] Research puzzle: Murder in Mississippi in 1879 >> >> Looks like you've pretty much covered the subject. What other info are >> you >> looking for? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <Kdberr1@aol.com> >> To: <MSWILKIN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 9:33 AM >> Subject: [MSWILKIN] Research puzzle: Murder in Mississippi in 1879 >> >> >> > HI: >> > I'm researching the murder of my great-great-grandfather, Charles >> > Brown. >> > He >> > was lynched in September 1879 near Woodville, Mississippi. >> > >> > I have documented his death in 3 ways: U.S. Mortality Census for 1880; >> > his >> > wife was a widow according to the 1880 Census; and a newspaper article >> > reporting the lynching. >> > >> > He was building a house for Wilbert Phares, son of a renowned doctor in >> > Woodville, David Lewis Phares. He arrived at the Phares house and >> > started >> > arguing >> > with Wilbert's wife Mary and reportedly threatened her with a hatchet. >> > Wilbert >> > and a worker, Louis Swift, subdued him and held him at the house for >> > the >> > sheriff. Neighbors came to the house that night, took him away and >> > hanged >> > him. >> > >> > I am exploring the circumstances of Charles' death, and I want to find >> > out >> > as >> > much as I can about his life. >> > >> > I just returned from a research trip to MS this week, but as I expected >> > I >> > couldn't find out much at the state archives. >> > >> > My question to the list is whether I'm on the right track and are >> > checking >> > as >> > many sources of information available. >> > >> > >> > Should I check circuit court records in Wilkinson Co., MS? I have the >> > names >> > of the mayor and sheriff in Sept. 1879. I'd also like to find out the >> > newspaper's sources for its article (they only said "this is what we >> > were >> > able to find >> > out." >> > >> > What records should I check in East Feliciana Parish, where he lived? >> > The >> > local paper reprinted the MS article. I am also thinking of checking LA >> > deeds >> > (because he was a carpenter and owned $100 in property according to the >> > 1870 >> > Census), churches that may have existed at the time, and would like to >> > find out >> > where he is buried. >> > >> > I do understand that the lynching of a black man in 1879 in MS is very >> > likely >> > not to be prosecuted, but I still am pressing on and researching >> > anyway. >> > (I >> > was told that I wouldn't be able to document his death, and I did.) >> > >> > Thanks for all help. >> > >> > Kberry >> > >> > >> > ==== MSWILKIN Mailing List ==== >> > unsub: mswilkin-L-request@rootsweb.com >> > unsub: mswilkin-D-request@rootsweb.com >> > admin: MSWILKIN-admin@rootsweb.com >> > Webpage: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mswilkin >> > archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> > threaded archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >> > Tina Halls webpages: >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/censuses.html >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/mississippi.htmL >> > >> > ============================== >> > Search the US Census Collection. 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