Theresa, Many of Newton Co. records were destroyed by several courthouse fires, so there are few marriage records prior to 1880s. That said, I didn't find a James West but did see this marriage. Perhaps they are related? J. M. West to Minerva Ann Dyess on Feb. 18, 1880 Catherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe denby" <jcdenby@inna.net> To: <MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] 1800s/MS/Newton Co./McCAIN > Catherine do you find a marriage for James West.? His son Samuel was born in > 1876.Thanks,Theresa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Catherine Cooper" <catcoop@bellsouth.net> > To: <MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:22 PM > Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] 1800s/MS/Newton Co./McCAIN > > > > Bellinda, > > > > I looked in the book "Marriages of Newton., Co., Miss." by Ernest E. Roach > > for McCain and Spradley entries. Here's what I found for earlier > marriages: > > > > Levi Webster McCain, b. 12/19/1853 d. 4/13/1910 m. C. Jones on Sept. 4, > 1876 > > (this was actually the date of the license). > > > > S. F. Graham to Mollie Spradley on Apr 12, 1885 (marriage date). > > > > I know there was a group that migrated to Newton from Edgefield Co., SC. > > There were McCarty's in Edgefield as I've seen that name on the list many > > times. However, I don't know if there were McCains or Spradleys there. > > > > Good luck! > > Catherine > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <BellindaMBarnett@aol.com> > > To: <MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 10:47 AM > > Subject: [MSNEWTON] 1800s/MS/Newton Co./McCAIN > > > > > > > Hello to the McCAIN, SPRADLEY, and NEWTON County, MS lists, > > > > > > Re: McCAIN families in SC to Newton County, MS from 1790 to 1800s > > > > > > I am looking for any information on a McCAIN family/families that were > in > > > Newton County, Mississippi in the 1800s. I don't know with certainty > that > > her > > > McCAIN family migrated from South Carolina to Newton County, Mississippi > > but > > > some of them may have. And it is possible that her McCAIN family was > also > > in > > > Kershaw County, Camden District as we believe her husband's SPRADLEY > > family was. > > > > > > Specifically looking for a Mary McCAIN...how hard can that be? :<) > > > > > > Have no specifics for her other than she was born in 1790 in South > > Carolina > > > and married William Elias SPRADLEY, Sr. in Abt. 1810. No information on > > his > > > parents either other than he is probably descended from the SPRADLEY > > family > > > group in Kershaw County, Camden District, South Carolina somehow > connected > > with > > > Bryant SPRADLEY but still just speculating. > > > > > > Children of Mary McCAIN and William Elias SPRADLEY were: > > > > > > (1.) James "Jim" SPRADLEY, b: 1810 in South Carolina, md: Maranda ?, > > > (children: Patrick, Jesse, Ransom, Harris, Josephine, > Georgia/Georgianna, > > Margaret, & > > > Jane) > > > > > > (2.) Caroline SPRADLEY, b: 1815 in SC or Newton Co., MS, md: Wm. > > McDANIEL, > > > Sr., ( children: Thomas, Florence, Sarah, Henry, Horace, & Wm. McDANIEL, > > Jr.) > > > > > > (3.) Nancy SPRADLEY, b: 1816 in SC or Newton Co., MS, d: 1860-1880 in > > Jasper > > > Co., MS, md: Hiram McCARTY, (children: Martha Ann Caroline, James > Albert, > > > Mary E. "Queen/Nancy," Maranda Jane, (Twin,) Sarah Jane. (Twin,) Eliza > > Ann, Wm. > > > H. "Bill," Margaret/W.W. "Margaret," Andrew/A.L., Andrew Jackson, A. T. > > > "Tommy," Daniel, F. B.) > > > > > > (4.) William Elias SPRADLEY, Jr., b: Abt. 1820 prob. in Newton Co., MS, > > md: > > > Sarah Eliza "Eliza" CRAVEN/McCRAVEN, (who also md: Wiley LANDRUM,) > > (Children: > > > Alena, Robert, Richmond, Irene/Alena?, Elias Newton, Y. Clarence, and > > there > > > were 4 children, (have no names,) for Sarah & Wiley LANDRUM) > > > > > > (5.) (Unnamed Daughter) SPRADLEY > > > > > > (6.) (Unnamed Daughter) SPRADLEY > > > > > > (7.) Susan SPRADLEY, b: Bet. 1820 - 1825 in SC or Newton Co.,MS, md: > > Bryant > > > McCARTY, (brother of Hiram McCARTY who married Nancy SPRADLEY, (Susan > > > SPRADLEY's sister,) (Children of Bryan and Susan: Florinda, Melissa, and > > Alonzo) > > > > > > (8.) Maria SPRADLEY, b: Abt. 1834 prob. in Newton Co., MS > > > > > > Have been away from my research for about a year tending to important > > family > > > matters and have returned and trying to see if any progress has been > made > > by > > > anyone regarding this Mary McCAIN and husband, William Elias SPRADLEY, > > Sr.. > > > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Bellinda Myrick-Barnett > > > > > >

Charles, The book is Newton County, Mississippi Marriage Records, 1872-1952. It was compiled and edited by William Harold Graham, Ed.D. I think it is listed on the Newton County website. Wanda

No, they aren't the only records available. At the state archives in Mississippi, there is a set of about 140 rolls of microfilm called the Soundex to Mississippi Marriages Prior to 1926. This set of film contains information on all Mississippi counties, some of it dating back to the early 1800s. It is the only source of old marriage records for some counties, such as Jasper county, whose courthouses have burned, etc. There are thousands and thousands of records on these film. Each card that was microfilmed contained the names of the groom and bride (sorry, but they're only soundexed by the groom's surname, making it impossible to search for the bride unless you know who she married), the date of the marriage, the county in which they were married, and in most cases, the original book and page number of the actual license. Some of the cards even tell you who performed the ceremony and what his position was (i.e., Justice of the Peace, Minister of the Gospel, etc.). You can access these microfilm through your local library via the interlibrary loan system. Again, they are soundexed by the groom's surname. There are even separate rolls of film recording black marriages, making this a valuable tool for African American researchers. Good luck in your search. Debi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Caballero" <keeptruckin@cox.net> To: <MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] Marriage - Wanda > Thank you Wanda for looking up the marriage for me. > > Is the marriage book in which you looked the only records on early > marriages? I know it is difficult to find records during the Civil War > Period for much was burned. However, on occasion some of the records > were salvaged. > > Thank you again for your time. I appreciate your help very much. > > Charles > >

Thank you so much for the information you found on the Ratheal/Overstreet and Ratheal/Tisdale marriages. Mollie E. and Minnie Lee Ratheal are my g-aunts. They are the elder children of Sara Ann Elizabeth Williams and W. Johnas Ratheal. Do you know if it is possible to obtain a copy of the pages of the marriage book showing the marriages? And are these recordings of the date of issuance of a marriage license or the actual recording of the date of marriage? Am thrilled to receive your information. Again, thank you very much. Charles >

Thank you Wanda for looking up the marriage for me. Is the marriage book in which you looked the only records on early marriages? I know it is difficult to find records during the Civil War Period for much was burned. However, on occasion some of the records were salvaged. Thank you again for your time. I appreciate your help very much. Charles

Charles, There are no Ratheal/Williams marriages in the Newton Co., MS Marriage Records, 1872-1952. I checked Part I and Part II. Wanda

I did not find the marriage record you requested. Because of Court House fires and other disasters, Newton County Marriage Records are extant from 1872. But I did find these who may be related: Rathael, Mollie to R. L. Overstreet 12/11/1892; Book 3, Page 322 Rathael, M. L. to C. W. Tisdale (groom) 11/19/1893, Book 3, Page 398. Emma Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Caballero To: MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] Marriage Hi! I would be most appreciative if someone could check the Newton County marriage records for the marriage of my g-grandparents: W. Johnas (Jonas) Ratheal and Sara Ann Elizabeth Williams in 1869 or 1870. Sometimes the name is misspelled as Rathel. Thank you. Charles

Thank you. Weren't in Clarke Co., MS either. Maybe Jasper but records there are poor because of fires. Frann

Frann, There is no Risher/Leigh marriage in Newton County, MS Marriage Records, 1872-1952. I checked both Part I and Part II. Hope this helps. Wanda

Hi! I would be most appreciative if someone could check the Newton County marriage records for the marriage of my g-grandparents: W. Johnas (Jonas) Ratheal and Sara Ann Elizabeth Williams in 1869 or 1870. Sometimes the name is misspelled as Rathel. Thank you. Charles

In a message dated 9/20/2004 8:01:09 AM Central Standard Time, BellindaMBarnett@aol.com writes: Dear Fran, Thanks very much. I greatly appreciate the assistance. Bellinda You are very welcome. Some of my best info on my ancestors came from replies to my questions on Message Boards and Mailing lists. I hope I gave you new info. Fran

Trying to find the twin of Alice Risher who married Wiley M. Leigh. Alice born January 26, 1887. Frann

I noticed the "Johnston" name in an e-mail. My great grandmother was Naomi C. Johnston, daughter of James Patterson Johnston & Elizabeth Jane "Eliza" Fontaine. All buried in Clarke Co., MS. Any connection to these? Frann

Looking for marriage of Alice Risher & Wiley M. Leigh. Buried Liberty BC Cem, Newton Alice 1887-1956 Wiley M. 1875-1950 Frann Risher Smith Clark

Faye, There is S. P. Wilkerson to T. N. Townsend (groom) on 1-7-1874 in Newton Co., MS Marriages. There are no listings for Wilkinson. Wanda

In a message dated 9/19/2004 11:09:17 PM Central Daylight Time, Jfrbol@aol.com writes: _http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/PatentSearch/Results.asp?QryId=86382.95_ (http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/PatentSearch/Results.asp?QryId=86382.95) Bellinda, take a look at these Spradleys, Elias and Patrick, in Simpson Co MS, on the BLM GLO land patents. This will give you another area to search. Several Spradleys and Mc Cartys are listed in a copy of an old Decatur store ledger that I purchased, the dates of the entries are 1837-41. Newton co was formed in 1836, from 2 yr old Neshoba Co. Before that, it was occupied by the Choctaw Indians. Most of our ancestors did not migrate directly from one state to another, so checking for them along the way in Georgia and Alabama, the states between SC and MS is a good bet. I hope you have success in finding information. Fran Bolton Dear Fran, Thanks very much. I greatly appreciate the assistance. Bellinda

_http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/PatentSearch/Results.asp?QryId=86382.95_ (http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/PatentSearch/Results.asp?QryId=86382.95) Bellinda, take a look at these Spradleys, Elias and Patrick, in Simpson Co MS, on the BLM GLO land patents. This will give you another area to search. Several Spradleys and Mc Cartys are listed in a copy of an old Decatur store ledger that I purchased, the dates of the entries are 1837-41. Newton co was formed in 1836, from 2 yr old Neshoba Co. Before that, it was occupied by the Choctaw Indians. Most of our ancestors did not migrate directly from one state to another, so checking for them along the way in Georgia and Alabama, the states between SC and MS is a good bet. I hope you have success in finding information. Fran Bolton

Catherine do you find a marriage for James West.? His son Samuel was born in 1876.Thanks,Theresa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Cooper" <catcoop@bellsouth.net> To: <MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] 1800s/MS/Newton Co./McCAIN > Bellinda, > > I looked in the book "Marriages of Newton., Co., Miss." by Ernest E. Roach > for McCain and Spradley entries. Here's what I found for earlier marriages: > > Levi Webster McCain, b. 12/19/1853 d. 4/13/1910 m. C. Jones on Sept. 4, 1876 > (this was actually the date of the license). > > S. F. Graham to Mollie Spradley on Apr 12, 1885 (marriage date). > > I know there was a group that migrated to Newton from Edgefield Co., SC. > There were McCarty's in Edgefield as I've seen that name on the list many > times. However, I don't know if there were McCains or Spradleys there. > > Good luck! > Catherine > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <BellindaMBarnett@aol.com> > To: <MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 10:47 AM > Subject: [MSNEWTON] 1800s/MS/Newton Co./McCAIN > > > > Hello to the McCAIN, SPRADLEY, and NEWTON County, MS lists, > > > > Re: McCAIN families in SC to Newton County, MS from 1790 to 1800s > > > > I am looking for any information on a McCAIN family/families that were in > > Newton County, Mississippi in the 1800s. I don't know with certainty that > her > > McCAIN family migrated from South Carolina to Newton County, Mississippi > but > > some of them may have. And it is possible that her McCAIN family was also > in > > Kershaw County, Camden District as we believe her husband's SPRADLEY > family was. > > > > Specifically looking for a Mary McCAIN...how hard can that be? :<) > > > > Have no specifics for her other than she was born in 1790 in South > Carolina > > and married William Elias SPRADLEY, Sr. in Abt. 1810. No information on > his > > parents either other than he is probably descended from the SPRADLEY > family > > group in Kershaw County, Camden District, South Carolina somehow connected > with > > Bryant SPRADLEY but still just speculating. > > > > Children of Mary McCAIN and William Elias SPRADLEY were: > > > > (1.) James "Jim" SPRADLEY, b: 1810 in South Carolina, md: Maranda ?, > > (children: Patrick, Jesse, Ransom, Harris, Josephine, Georgia/Georgianna, > Margaret, & > > Jane) > > > > (2.) Caroline SPRADLEY, b: 1815 in SC or Newton Co., MS, md: Wm. > McDANIEL, > > Sr., ( children: Thomas, Florence, Sarah, Henry, Horace, & Wm. McDANIEL, > Jr.) > > > > (3.) Nancy SPRADLEY, b: 1816 in SC or Newton Co., MS, d: 1860-1880 in > Jasper > > Co., MS, md: Hiram McCARTY, (children: Martha Ann Caroline, James Albert, > > Mary E. "Queen/Nancy," Maranda Jane, (Twin,) Sarah Jane. (Twin,) Eliza > Ann, Wm. > > H. "Bill," Margaret/W.W. "Margaret," Andrew/A.L., Andrew Jackson, A. T. > > "Tommy," Daniel, F. B.) > > > > (4.) William Elias SPRADLEY, Jr., b: Abt. 1820 prob. in Newton Co., MS, > md: > > Sarah Eliza "Eliza" CRAVEN/McCRAVEN, (who also md: Wiley LANDRUM,) > (Children: > > Alena, Robert, Richmond, Irene/Alena?, Elias Newton, Y. Clarence, and > there > > were 4 children, (have no names,) for Sarah & Wiley LANDRUM) > > > > (5.) (Unnamed Daughter) SPRADLEY > > > > (6.) (Unnamed Daughter) SPRADLEY > > > > (7.) Susan SPRADLEY, b: Bet. 1820 - 1825 in SC or Newton Co.,MS, md: > Bryant > > McCARTY, (brother of Hiram McCARTY who married Nancy SPRADLEY, (Susan > > SPRADLEY's sister,) (Children of Bryan and Susan: Florinda, Melissa, and > Alonzo) > > > > (8.) Maria SPRADLEY, b: Abt. 1834 prob. in Newton Co., MS > > > > Have been away from my research for about a year tending to important > family > > matters and have returned and trying to see if any progress has been made > by > > anyone regarding this Mary McCAIN and husband, William Elias SPRADLEY, > Sr.. > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Bellinda Myrick-Barnett > > >

Would someone look and see if there is a marriage record of S.J. Wilkinson and T.N. Townsand in Newton County? They possibly married around 1/8/1874 but am not sure. There is a Harrison Johnston and Elizabeth ? from Newton County that one sons name is James A. Johnston? I would appreciate any help. These are my great great grandparents. Thanks. Faye Johnston

Bellinda, I looked in the book "Marriages of Newton., Co., Miss." by Ernest E. Roach for McCain and Spradley entries. Here's what I found for earlier marriages: Levi Webster McCain, b. 12/19/1853 d. 4/13/1910 m. C. Jones on Sept. 4, 1876 (this was actually the date of the license). S. F. Graham to Mollie Spradley on Apr 12, 1885 (marriage date). I know there was a group that migrated to Newton from Edgefield Co., SC. There were McCarty's in Edgefield as I've seen that name on the list many times. However, I don't know if there were McCains or Spradleys there. Good luck! Catherine ----- Original Message ----- From: <BellindaMBarnett@aol.com> To: <MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 10:47 AM Subject: [MSNEWTON] 1800s/MS/Newton Co./McCAIN > Hello to the McCAIN, SPRADLEY, and NEWTON County, MS lists, > > Re: McCAIN families in SC to Newton County, MS from 1790 to 1800s > > I am looking for any information on a McCAIN family/families that were in > Newton County, Mississippi in the 1800s. I don't know with certainty that her > McCAIN family migrated from South Carolina to Newton County, Mississippi but > some of them may have. And it is possible that her McCAIN family was also in > Kershaw County, Camden District as we believe her husband's SPRADLEY family was. > > Specifically looking for a Mary McCAIN...how hard can that be? :<) > > Have no specifics for her other than she was born in 1790 in South Carolina > and married William Elias SPRADLEY, Sr. in Abt. 1810. No information on his > parents either other than he is probably descended from the SPRADLEY family > group in Kershaw County, Camden District, South Carolina somehow connected with > Bryant SPRADLEY but still just speculating. > > Children of Mary McCAIN and William Elias SPRADLEY were: > > (1.) James "Jim" SPRADLEY, b: 1810 in South Carolina, md: Maranda ?, > (children: Patrick, Jesse, Ransom, Harris, Josephine, Georgia/Georgianna, Margaret, & > Jane) > > (2.) Caroline SPRADLEY, b: 1815 in SC or Newton Co., MS, md: Wm. McDANIEL, > Sr., ( children: Thomas, Florence, Sarah, Henry, Horace, & Wm. McDANIEL, Jr.) > > (3.) Nancy SPRADLEY, b: 1816 in SC or Newton Co., MS, d: 1860-1880 in Jasper > Co., MS, md: Hiram McCARTY, (children: Martha Ann Caroline, James Albert, > Mary E. "Queen/Nancy," Maranda Jane, (Twin,) Sarah Jane. (Twin,) Eliza Ann, Wm. > H. "Bill," Margaret/W.W. "Margaret," Andrew/A.L., Andrew Jackson, A. T. > "Tommy," Daniel, F. B.) > > (4.) William Elias SPRADLEY, Jr., b: Abt. 1820 prob. in Newton Co., MS, md: > Sarah Eliza "Eliza" CRAVEN/McCRAVEN, (who also md: Wiley LANDRUM,) (Children: > Alena, Robert, Richmond, Irene/Alena?, Elias Newton, Y. Clarence, and there > were 4 children, (have no names,) for Sarah & Wiley LANDRUM) > > (5.) (Unnamed Daughter) SPRADLEY > > (6.) (Unnamed Daughter) SPRADLEY > > (7.) Susan SPRADLEY, b: Bet. 1820 - 1825 in SC or Newton Co.,MS, md: Bryant > McCARTY, (brother of Hiram McCARTY who married Nancy SPRADLEY, (Susan > SPRADLEY's sister,) (Children of Bryan and Susan: Florinda, Melissa, and Alonzo) > > (8.) Maria SPRADLEY, b: Abt. 1834 prob. in Newton Co., MS > > Have been away from my research for about a year tending to important family > matters and have returned and trying to see if any progress has been made by > anyone regarding this Mary McCAIN and husband, William Elias SPRADLEY, Sr.. > > Looking forward to hearing from you. > > Thank you. > > Sincerely, > > Bellinda Myrick-Barnett >