In a message dated 9/24/2004 2:43:54 PM Central Standard Time, keeptruckin@cox.net writes: Thank you for the tips, Fran. You must realy be having a time of your life in Newton County! Perhaps next spring I will follow in your footsteps. Yes I am, just not enough time. The local residents are worth a million dollars in the help they are so generous with. Another plus of visiting in person? Hearing them talk in that MS accent! I'm a Texan, but we don't have that same Southern sound, so pleasing to the ear. Fran Bolton

In a message dated 9/24/2004 11:12:22 AM Central Standard Time, keeptruckin@cox.net writes: One day, I would like to visit Newton and the Decatur cemetery. I will never know the plot of ground that my relatives farmed, but just being in Newton would make me feel close the them Charles, I went to the courthouse in Decatur, and if you can find a deed recorded after the 1876 courthouse fire, you can get the location. Take that Township and Range location next door, and you can find the exact location of the land. I did, and it gives you a feeling you won't be able to put in words, to stand and look at the site. Even if a modern day building is standing on it today, as in my case. Also check with the BLM GLO land patent records at _http://www.glorecords.blm.gov_ (http://www.glorecords.blm.gov) This shows the original sale of the land from the US Gov to the individual, Land sales after that, from individual to individual, were kept at the county. Fran Bolton

Thank you for the tips, Fran. You must realy be having a time of your life in Newton County! Perhaps next spring I will follow in your footsteps. Charles On Friday, September 24, 2004, at 12:23 PM, Jfrbol@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/24/2004 11:12:22 AM Central Standard Time, > keeptruckin@cox.net writes: > > > One day, I would like to visit Newton and the Decatur cemetery. I will > never know the plot of ground that my relatives farmed, but just being > in Newton would make me feel close the them > > > Charles, I went to the courthouse in Decatur, and if you can find a > deed > recorded after the 1876 courthouse fire, you can get the location. > Take that > Township and Range location next door, and you can find the exact > location of > the land. I did, and it gives you a feeling you won't be able to put > in words, > to stand and look at the site. Even if a modern day building is > standing on it > today, as in my case. > Also check with the BLM GLO land patent records at > _http://www.glorecords.blm.gov_ (http://www.glorecords.blm.gov) > This shows the original sale of the land from the US Gov to the > individual, > Land sales after that, from individual to individual, were kept at > the county. > Fran Bolton >

You are very welcome! Emma Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Caballero To: MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] Marriage- Emma Lou, you have found my Williams!!! I am so excited and happy! With so many Williams in Newton Co, I thought I would never find mine. Sometimes we can't see through the fog and all it takes is another person to take a look and see a different avenue to pursue. You are just wonderful, thank you so much for all of your help! I went on to search for Sarah Ann Elizabeth Williams in the 1870 census and found her married to Walter Rathiel (sp). At the time of the census, they had been married only 6 months. Walter and Sarah had twelve children in Newton, one dying as an infant, My grandmother, Edna Dollie was their last child. the entire family moved to Leroy, TX near Waco in 1893 or 1894 where Walter & his daughter, Jenie died of typhoid fever in 1895. In 1901 the family moved to Granite, OK and about ten years later moved, again, to Crosby Co, TX where the set down their roots. Sarah's brother, William Marshall, married Celesta Ladora Jurdon (1st wife) in 1865 and their first chid was born in Clarksville, TX in 1868. They had 5 children. Celesta died in 1885. Wm Marshall remarried in 1886 to Emma Lenora Lasswell and they had five children. One day, I would like to visit Newton and the Decatur cemetery. I will never know the plot of ground that my relatives farmed, but just being in Newton would make me feel close the them. Best wishes to you. i am in your debt. Charles On Thursday, September 23, 2004, at 06:53 PM, Emma Lou Price wrote: > Charles, this looks like your family on the 1870 census, Newton > County, MS, Township 7, Range 11, > Page 469, Family 2/2. > Williams, Anderson, 49, M, W, Farmer, Real Estate 1288, Personal > Property 450, Georgia, cannot rw > Williams, Mary A. 39, F, W, Keeping house, Georgia > Williams, Martha J. 17, F, W, Georgia, cannot rw > Williams, John A. 16, M, W, Georgia, cannot rw > Williams, Mary E. S. 6, F, W, Mississippi > Williams, Walter Lee, 2, M, W, Mississippi. > > William Marshall Williams married in 1865 would have already been gone > from home in 1870. > Sarah Ann Elizabeth married in 1869 would have already been gone from > home in 1870. > Martha J. would be Mattie. > > Also buried in Decatur Cemetery in the same lot as Anderson and Mary > Ann Williams is > W. Lee Williams 3/22/1868 - 6/30/1924. Looks like the Walter Lee, age > 2 on the 1870 census. > Also in that same lot is Charlie M. Williams, son of John A. and Susan > Williams, 3/4/1878 - 7/12/1879 > > Emma Lou > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles Caballero > To: MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] Marriage- > > > Emma Lou, I sure would like to make it fit as the dates are in the > ballpark! Perhaps if I contacted the Decatur Cemetery, they would > have > some record of Mary Ann and her relatives. I really need to connect > to > her children to be certain. Should you have a listing for Decatur > Cemetery, I would appreciate having it. > > One other consideration. My 2nd cousin once removed who lives near > Dallas told me that Mary Ann Smith was married to Alonso Williams and > that his mother visited the gravesite. Unfortunately, his mother has > passed on and he did not have the pictures his mother took of the > gravesite nor know the name of the cemetery! This differs from the > family historian's record stating Andrew Williams. Please check your > cemetery book to see if you have an Alonso Williams listed. > > Thank you, again, for all of your help. It has been great! > > Charles > > > On Thursday, September 23, 2004, at 12:05 PM, Emma Lou Price wrote: > >> Charles, could this be your Mary Ann >> Smith Williams? >> From "Newton County, Mississippi, A Cemetery Census 1782 - 1995, >> Compiled by Bonnie Addy Smith, Jackson Eliot Smith and Robert Ervin >> Smith, Ph.D., Published 1997", >> Page 127: >> Buried at Decatur Cemetery, Decatur, >> Newton County, MS: >> WILLIAMS, Mary Ann >> 12/10/1830 - 2/27/1878 Age 47 >> Next to her is : >> WILLIAMS, Anderson >> 4/28/1821 - 2/2/1891 Age 69 >> >> There are other Williams in that same plot. >> >> Emma Lou >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Charles Caballero >> To: MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:48 AM >> Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] Marriage- Emma Lou >> >> >> Catherine: >> >> I have little on the Williams but the following: >> >> Andrew (Bill) Williams, b. 1826 in Scotland, d. in Newton, MS, >> married >> Mary Ann Smith, born in Ireland. Mary Ann was Andrew's first wife. >> His >> second wife is unknown to me. >> >> The children of Andrew and Mary Ann are: >> >> 1. William Marshall, b. 24 Dec 1847 in GA, d. 1 Jan 1815 in Hamlin, >> TX, married Celesta Jurdon on 6 Nov 1865, b. 30 April 1841, d. 12 >> Jun >> 1885, married Emma Lenora Lasswell in 1886, d. 1918. Had 4 >> children >> with 1st wife and 5 children with 2nd wife. >> >> 2. Mary , b. ?, d. ?, married Hunter >> >> 3. Sarah Ann Elizabeth (Sally), b. 10 Aug 1850 in Georgia, d. 18 >> May >> 1937 in Clovis, Curry Co, NM, married W, Johnas Ratheal on Dec 1869 >> and >> had elven children >> >> 4. John, BDM unknown >> >> 5. Lee, BDM unknnown >> >> 6. Mattie married Sims >> >> I have the descendants of William Marshall and Sarah Ann Elizabeth. >> If >> you would like them, let me know and I will email the info to you. >> >> Living relatives living in the Dallas area have told me that their >> mother visited the grave of Mary Ann Williams in Newton. They did >> not >> know which cemetery, however >> >> And be sure to let me know if you connect to my Williams'! >> >> Charles >> >> >> On Thursday, September 23, 2004, at 06:11 AM, Catherine Cooper >> wrote: >> >>> Charles, >>> >>> Who are the parents of your Sarah Williams? >>> >>> I descend from Williams in Newton (there were many), and I've been >>> trying to >>> put together the ancestry of these folks as I research my Williams. >>> >>> Catherine >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Charles Caballero" <keeptruckin@cox.net> >>> To: <MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:44 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] Marriage- Emma Lou >>> >>> >>>> Thank you so much for the information you found on the >>>> Ratheal/Overstreet and Ratheal/Tisdale marriages. Mollie E. and >>>> Minnie >>>> Lee Ratheal are my g-aunts. They are the elder children of Sara Ann >>>> Elizabeth Williams and W. Johnas Ratheal. >>>> >>>> Do you know if it is possible to obtain a copy of the pages of the >>>> marriage book showing the marriages? And are these recordings of the >>>> date of issuance of a marriage license or the actual recording of >>>> the >>>> date of marriage? >>>> >>>> Am thrilled to receive your information. Again, thank you very much. >>>> >>>> Charles >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

I am a member of Us-Obits-L@rootsweb.com. Knowing there are lots of Killens in East Ms. I wanted to post this to see if any one might connect to this family. I have a few Killens but do not recognize this one. I am also a member of Obit-Lookups-L@rootsweb.com You can go to Rootsweb pafe scroll down to List and find this address. When you go to this web page it will list Volunteers. Go there and you might find some one who volunteers in the area where you are researching. Or you can post of Lookup list. Greeley Tribune Greeley, Colorado 09-24-04 John E. "Jack" Killen, 58, of Evans died Tuesday, Sept. 21, at his home. He was born June 29, 1946, in Terre Haute, Ind., to William E. and Edith (Loose) Killen. On March 29, 1967, he married Mary Lynn Walker in Terre Haute. Mr. Killen worked as a pressman for the Terre Haute Tribune Star Publishing Co. from 1967-1981 and the Greeley Tribune from 1981-1983. He worked for Hesco Manufacturing from 1983-1985 and, from 1986 until the time of his death, he worked for Miller Feed Lots. The Killens moved to Gilcrest in 1981 and then to Evans. Mr. Killen enjoyed camping, fishing and his children and grandchildren. He was a member of the Greeley Wesleyan Church and the Moose Lodge of Greeley/Evans No. 909. Survivors are his wife, Mary Lynn Killen of Evans; two sons, James Killen and wife Jeanette of Evans and John W. Killen of Greeley; three sisters, Jeanetta Hoopingarner and Donna K. Howe, both of Jasonville, Ind., and Wilma A. Richey of Clinton, Ind.; and three grandchildren, Jared Killen, Trevor Killen and Brandon Killen. Three brothers, James, Robert and William A. Killen, are deceased. Services will be at 10 a.m. Monday at Greeley Wesleyan Church, 3600 22nd St. Members of the Moose Lodge Greeley/Evans No. 909 will participate. Interment will be in Linn Grove Cemetery, Greeley. Friends may visit from 1-5 p.m. Sunday at the Adamson Memorial West Chapel. Contributions may be made to Hospice and Palliative Care of Northern Colorado Inc. in care of the West Chapel, 2000 47th Ave., Greeley, CO 80634. Condolences may be sent to the family at www.adamsonchapels.com.

Emma Lou, you have found my Williams!!! I am so excited and happy! With so many Williams in Newton Co, I thought I would never find mine. Sometimes we can't see through the fog and all it takes is another person to take a look and see a different avenue to pursue. You are just wonderful, thank you so much for all of your help! I went on to search for Sarah Ann Elizabeth Williams in the 1870 census and found her married to Walter Rathiel (sp). At the time of the census, they had been married only 6 months. Walter and Sarah had twelve children in Newton, one dying as an infant, My grandmother, Edna Dollie was their last child. the entire family moved to Leroy, TX near Waco in 1893 or 1894 where Walter & his daughter, Jenie died of typhoid fever in 1895. In 1901 the family moved to Granite, OK and about ten years later moved, again, to Crosby Co, TX where the set down their roots. Sarah's brother, William Marshall, married Celesta Ladora Jurdon (1st wife) in 1865 and their first chid was born in Clarksville, TX in 1868. They had 5 children. Celesta died in 1885. Wm Marshall remarried in 1886 to Emma Lenora Lasswell and they had five children. One day, I would like to visit Newton and the Decatur cemetery. I will never know the plot of ground that my relatives farmed, but just being in Newton would make me feel close the them. Best wishes to you. i am in your debt. Charles On Thursday, September 23, 2004, at 06:53 PM, Emma Lou Price wrote: > Charles, this looks like your family on the 1870 census, Newton > County, MS, Township 7, Range 11, > Page 469, Family 2/2. > Williams, Anderson, 49, M, W, Farmer, Real Estate 1288, Personal > Property 450, Georgia, cannot rw > Williams, Mary A. 39, F, W, Keeping house, Georgia > Williams, Martha J. 17, F, W, Georgia, cannot rw > Williams, John A. 16, M, W, Georgia, cannot rw > Williams, Mary E. S. 6, F, W, Mississippi > Williams, Walter Lee, 2, M, W, Mississippi. > > William Marshall Williams married in 1865 would have already been gone > from home in 1870. > Sarah Ann Elizabeth married in 1869 would have already been gone from > home in 1870. > Martha J. would be Mattie. > > Also buried in Decatur Cemetery in the same lot as Anderson and Mary > Ann Williams is > W. Lee Williams 3/22/1868 - 6/30/1924. Looks like the Walter Lee, age > 2 on the 1870 census. > Also in that same lot is Charlie M. Williams, son of John A. and Susan > Williams, 3/4/1878 - 7/12/1879 > > Emma Lou > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles Caballero > To: MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] Marriage- > > > Emma Lou, I sure would like to make it fit as the dates are in the > ballpark! Perhaps if I contacted the Decatur Cemetery, they would > have > some record of Mary Ann and her relatives. I really need to connect > to > her children to be certain. Should you have a listing for Decatur > Cemetery, I would appreciate having it. > > One other consideration. My 2nd cousin once removed who lives near > Dallas told me that Mary Ann Smith was married to Alonso Williams and > that his mother visited the gravesite. Unfortunately, his mother has > passed on and he did not have the pictures his mother took of the > gravesite nor know the name of the cemetery! This differs from the > family historian's record stating Andrew Williams. Please check your > cemetery book to see if you have an Alonso Williams listed. > > Thank you, again, for all of your help. It has been great! > > Charles > > > On Thursday, September 23, 2004, at 12:05 PM, Emma Lou Price wrote: > >> Charles, could this be your Mary Ann >> Smith Williams? >> From "Newton County, Mississippi, A Cemetery Census 1782 - 1995, >> Compiled by Bonnie Addy Smith, Jackson Eliot Smith and Robert Ervin >> Smith, Ph.D., Published 1997", >> Page 127: >> Buried at Decatur Cemetery, Decatur, >> Newton County, MS: >> WILLIAMS, Mary Ann >> 12/10/1830 - 2/27/1878 Age 47 >> Next to her is : >> WILLIAMS, Anderson >> 4/28/1821 - 2/2/1891 Age 69 >> >> There are other Williams in that same plot. >> >> Emma Lou >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Charles Caballero >> To: MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:48 AM >> Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] Marriage- Emma Lou >> >> >> Catherine: >> >> I have little on the Williams but the following: >> >> Andrew (Bill) Williams, b. 1826 in Scotland, d. in Newton, MS, >> married >> Mary Ann Smith, born in Ireland. Mary Ann was Andrew's first wife. >> His >> second wife is unknown to me. >> >> The children of Andrew and Mary Ann are: >> >> 1. William Marshall, b. 24 Dec 1847 in GA, d. 1 Jan 1815 in Hamlin, >> TX, married Celesta Jurdon on 6 Nov 1865, b. 30 April 1841, d. 12 >> Jun >> 1885, married Emma Lenora Lasswell in 1886, d. 1918. Had 4 >> children >> with 1st wife and 5 children with 2nd wife. >> >> 2. Mary , b. ?, d. ?, married Hunter >> >> 3. Sarah Ann Elizabeth (Sally), b. 10 Aug 1850 in Georgia, d. 18 >> May >> 1937 in Clovis, Curry Co, NM, married W, Johnas Ratheal on Dec 1869 >> and >> had elven children >> >> 4. John, BDM unknown >> >> 5. Lee, BDM unknnown >> >> 6. Mattie married Sims >> >> I have the descendants of William Marshall and Sarah Ann Elizabeth. >> If >> you would like them, let me know and I will email the info to you. >> >> Living relatives living in the Dallas area have told me that their >> mother visited the grave of Mary Ann Williams in Newton. They did >> not >> know which cemetery, however >> >> And be sure to let me know if you connect to my Williams'! >> >> Charles >> >> >> On Thursday, September 23, 2004, at 06:11 AM, Catherine Cooper >> wrote: >> >>> Charles, >>> >>> Who are the parents of your Sarah Williams? >>> >>> I descend from Williams in Newton (there were many), and I've been >>> trying to >>> put together the ancestry of these folks as I research my Williams. >>> >>> Catherine >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Charles Caballero" <keeptruckin@cox.net> >>> To: <MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:44 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] Marriage- Emma Lou >>> >>> >>>> Thank you so much for the information you found on the >>>> Ratheal/Overstreet and Ratheal/Tisdale marriages. Mollie E. and >>>> Minnie >>>> Lee Ratheal are my g-aunts. They are the elder children of Sara Ann >>>> Elizabeth Williams and W. Johnas Ratheal. >>>> >>>> Do you know if it is possible to obtain a copy of the pages of the >>>> marriage book showing the marriages? And are these recordings of the >>>> date of issuance of a marriage license or the actual recording of >>>> the >>>> date of marriage? >>>> >>>> Am thrilled to receive your information. Again, thank you very much. >>>> >>>> Charles >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

Looking for info on Charles West, b. 1819 Connecticut, wife Mary, b. 1825 Alabama. Listed on the 1850 Newton Co. census, with James Monroe as Head of household. thank you for any input, Fran Bolton

In a message dated 9/23/2004 5:28:04 PM Central Standard Time, keeptruckin@cox.net writes: Monroe, A. M., Pvt Co. E, 1st MS The initials are not right, but many times errors are made in transcription. Good Luck in your search. Charles San Diego, CA Charles, thank you so much for your interest to help. I think this is Archibald P Monroe's son. Archibald was born in 1813/4 NC, right after my James J Monroe, and could have been related, possibly a brother as they are so close to the same age. I have gone to MS and stood over his grave in the Decatur Cemetery, and there are several unmarked graves beside his family. Perhaps this is where my James J is, and if so, we will never know. I agree with you it is wise to check every possibility, due to the transcription errors. My philosophy is, every time you can positively eliminate a name, that is a valuable clue also. Thanks again, Fran

Charles, this looks like your family on the 1870 census, Newton County, MS, Township 7, Range 11, Page 469, Family 2/2. Williams, Anderson, 49, M, W, Farmer, Real Estate 1288, Personal Property 450, Georgia, cannot rw Williams, Mary A. 39, F, W, Keeping house, Georgia Williams, Martha J. 17, F, W, Georgia, cannot rw Williams, John A. 16, M, W, Georgia, cannot rw Williams, Mary E. S. 6, F, W, Mississippi Williams, Walter Lee, 2, M, W, Mississippi. William Marshall Williams married in 1865 would have already been gone from home in 1870. Sarah Ann Elizabeth married in 1869 would have already been gone from home in 1870. Martha J. would be Mattie. Also buried in Decatur Cemetery in the same lot as Anderson and Mary Ann Williams is W. Lee Williams 3/22/1868 - 6/30/1924. Looks like the Walter Lee, age 2 on the 1870 census. Also in that same lot is Charlie M. Williams, son of John A. and Susan Williams, 3/4/1878 - 7/12/1879 Emma Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Caballero To: MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] Marriage- Emma Lou, I sure would like to make it fit as the dates are in the ballpark! Perhaps if I contacted the Decatur Cemetery, they would have some record of Mary Ann and her relatives. I really need to connect to her children to be certain. Should you have a listing for Decatur Cemetery, I would appreciate having it. One other consideration. My 2nd cousin once removed who lives near Dallas told me that Mary Ann Smith was married to Alonso Williams and that his mother visited the gravesite. Unfortunately, his mother has passed on and he did not have the pictures his mother took of the gravesite nor know the name of the cemetery! This differs from the family historian's record stating Andrew Williams. Please check your cemetery book to see if you have an Alonso Williams listed. Thank you, again, for all of your help. It has been great! Charles On Thursday, September 23, 2004, at 12:05 PM, Emma Lou Price wrote: > Charles, could this be your Mary Ann > Smith Williams? > From "Newton County, Mississippi, A Cemetery Census 1782 - 1995, > Compiled by Bonnie Addy Smith, Jackson Eliot Smith and Robert Ervin > Smith, Ph.D., Published 1997", > Page 127: > Buried at Decatur Cemetery, Decatur, > Newton County, MS: > WILLIAMS, Mary Ann > 12/10/1830 - 2/27/1878 Age 47 > Next to her is : > WILLIAMS, Anderson > 4/28/1821 - 2/2/1891 Age 69 > > There are other Williams in that same plot. > > Emma Lou > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles Caballero > To: MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] Marriage- Emma Lou > > > Catherine: > > I have little on the Williams but the following: > > Andrew (Bill) Williams, b. 1826 in Scotland, d. in Newton, MS, > married > Mary Ann Smith, born in Ireland. Mary Ann was Andrew's first wife. > His > second wife is unknown to me. > > The children of Andrew and Mary Ann are: > > 1. William Marshall, b. 24 Dec 1847 in GA, d. 1 Jan 1815 in Hamlin, > TX, married Celesta Jurdon on 6 Nov 1865, b. 30 April 1841, d. 12 Jun > 1885, married Emma Lenora Lasswell in 1886, d. 1918. Had 4 > children > with 1st wife and 5 children with 2nd wife. > > 2. Mary , b. ?, d. ?, married Hunter > > 3. Sarah Ann Elizabeth (Sally), b. 10 Aug 1850 in Georgia, d. 18 May > 1937 in Clovis, Curry Co, NM, married W, Johnas Ratheal on Dec 1869 > and > had elven children > > 4. John, BDM unknown > > 5. Lee, BDM unknnown > > 6. Mattie married Sims > > I have the descendants of William Marshall and Sarah Ann Elizabeth. > If > you would like them, let me know and I will email the info to you. > > Living relatives living in the Dallas area have told me that their > mother visited the grave of Mary Ann Williams in Newton. They did not > know which cemetery, however > > And be sure to let me know if you connect to my Williams'! > > Charles > > > On Thursday, September 23, 2004, at 06:11 AM, Catherine Cooper wrote: > >> Charles, >> >> Who are the parents of your Sarah Williams? >> >> I descend from Williams in Newton (there were many), and I've been >> trying to >> put together the ancestry of these folks as I research my Williams. >> >> Catherine >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Charles Caballero" <keeptruckin@cox.net> >> To: <MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] Marriage- Emma Lou >> >> >>> Thank you so much for the information you found on the >>> Ratheal/Overstreet and Ratheal/Tisdale marriages. Mollie E. and >>> Minnie >>> Lee Ratheal are my g-aunts. They are the elder children of Sara Ann >>> Elizabeth Williams and W. Johnas Ratheal. >>> >>> Do you know if it is possible to obtain a copy of the pages of the >>> marriage book showing the marriages? And are these recordings of the >>> date of issuance of a marriage license or the actual recording of the >>> date of marriage? >>> >>> Am thrilled to receive your information. Again, thank you very much. >>> >>> Charles >>>> >>> >> >

Thank you ,I'll check it out.Theresa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Cooper" <catcoop@bellsouth.net> To: <MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] 1800s/MS/Newton Co./McCAIN > Theresa, > > Many of Newton Co. records were destroyed by several courthouse fires, so > there are few marriage records prior to 1880s. > > That said, I didn't find a James West but did see this marriage. Perhaps > they are related? > > J. M. West to Minerva Ann Dyess on Feb. 18, 1880 > > Catherine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "joe denby" <jcdenby@inna.net> > To: <MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 11:38 PM > Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] 1800s/MS/Newton Co./McCAIN > > > > Catherine do you find a marriage for James West.? His son Samuel was born > in > > 1876.Thanks,Theresa > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Catherine Cooper" <catcoop@bellsouth.net> > > To: <MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] 1800s/MS/Newton Co./McCAIN > > > > > > > Bellinda, > > > > > > I looked in the book "Marriages of Newton., Co., Miss." by Ernest E. > Roach > > > for McCain and Spradley entries. Here's what I found for earlier > > marriages: > > > > > > Levi Webster McCain, b. 12/19/1853 d. 4/13/1910 m. C. Jones on Sept. 4, > > 1876 > > > (this was actually the date of the license). > > > > > > S. F. Graham to Mollie Spradley on Apr 12, 1885 (marriage date). > > > > > > I know there was a group that migrated to Newton from Edgefield Co., SC. > > > There were McCarty's in Edgefield as I've seen that name on the list > many > > > times. However, I don't know if there were McCains or Spradleys there. > > > > > > Good luck! > > > Catherine > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <BellindaMBarnett@aol.com> > > > To: <MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 10:47 AM > > > Subject: [MSNEWTON] 1800s/MS/Newton Co./McCAIN > > > > > > > > > > Hello to the McCAIN, SPRADLEY, and NEWTON County, MS lists, > > > > > > > > Re: McCAIN families in SC to Newton County, MS from 1790 to 1800s > > > > > > > > I am looking for any information on a McCAIN family/families that were > > in > > > > Newton County, Mississippi in the 1800s. I don't know with certainty > > that > > > her > > > > McCAIN family migrated from South Carolina to Newton County, > Mississippi > > > but > > > > some of them may have. And it is possible that her McCAIN family was > > also > > > in > > > > Kershaw County, Camden District as we believe her husband's SPRADLEY > > > family was. > > > > > > > > Specifically looking for a Mary McCAIN...how hard can that be? :<) > > > > > > > > Have no specifics for her other than she was born in 1790 in South > > > Carolina > > > > and married William Elias SPRADLEY, Sr. in Abt. 1810. No information > on > > > his > > > > parents either other than he is probably descended from the SPRADLEY > > > family > > > > group in Kershaw County, Camden District, South Carolina somehow > > connected > > > with > > > > Bryant SPRADLEY but still just speculating. > > > > > > > > Children of Mary McCAIN and William Elias SPRADLEY were: > > > > > > > > (1.) James "Jim" SPRADLEY, b: 1810 in South Carolina, md: Maranda ?, > > > > (children: Patrick, Jesse, Ransom, Harris, Josephine, > > Georgia/Georgianna, > > > Margaret, & > > > > Jane) > > > > > > > > (2.) Caroline SPRADLEY, b: 1815 in SC or Newton Co., MS, md: Wm. > > > McDANIEL, > > > > Sr., ( children: Thomas, Florence, Sarah, Henry, Horace, & Wm. > McDANIEL, > > > Jr.) > > > > > > > > (3.) Nancy SPRADLEY, b: 1816 in SC or Newton Co., MS, d: 1860-1880 in > > > Jasper > > > > Co., MS, md: Hiram McCARTY, (children: Martha Ann Caroline, James > > Albert, > > > > Mary E. "Queen/Nancy," Maranda Jane, (Twin,) Sarah Jane. (Twin,) Eliza > > > Ann, Wm. > > > > H. "Bill," Margaret/W.W. "Margaret," Andrew/A.L., Andrew Jackson, A. > T. > > > > "Tommy," Daniel, F. B.) > > > > > > > > (4.) William Elias SPRADLEY, Jr., b: Abt. 1820 prob. in Newton Co., > MS, > > > md: > > > > Sarah Eliza "Eliza" CRAVEN/McCRAVEN, (who also md: Wiley LANDRUM,) > > > (Children: > > > > Alena, Robert, Richmond, Irene/Alena?, Elias Newton, Y. Clarence, and > > > there > > > > were 4 children, (have no names,) for Sarah & Wiley LANDRUM) > > > > > > > > (5.) (Unnamed Daughter) SPRADLEY > > > > > > > > (6.) (Unnamed Daughter) SPRADLEY > > > > > > > > (7.) Susan SPRADLEY, b: Bet. 1820 - 1825 in SC or Newton Co.,MS, md: > > > Bryant > > > > McCARTY, (brother of Hiram McCARTY who married Nancy SPRADLEY, (Susan > > > > SPRADLEY's sister,) (Children of Bryan and Susan: Florinda, Melissa, > and > > > Alonzo) > > > > > > > > (8.) Maria SPRADLEY, b: Abt. 1834 prob. in Newton Co., MS > > > > > > > > Have been away from my research for about a year tending to important > > > family > > > > matters and have returned and trying to see if any progress has been > > made > > > by > > > > anyone regarding this Mary McCAIN and husband, William Elias SPRADLEY, > > > Sr.. > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you. > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Bellinda Myrick-Barnett > > > > > > > > > >

Gang. The S.J. Wilkerson is Sanuel Jeff WWilkerson and The T. N. Townsand is T. Nancy Townsand. Thanks for the info you have sent me. I may be able to use those to. I am also kin to Williams but they may be all from yazoo County. George W. Williams who married Mary Johnston and Emma Johnston and with both wives had about 18 children. Thanks. Faye Johnston

In a message dated 9/23/2004 3:12:06 PM Central Standard Time, emprice@comcast.net writes: "To locate Masonic Cemetery, follow U. S. Highway 80 West from its intersection with State Highway 15 bypass at Newton for 0.7 mile. The cemetery, which was established about 1872 is found on the right (west) side of the street. As of the end of 1995 there were 1511 grave markers." There is no James J. Monroe in the index. Emma Lou, thank you so much for the time to check for me. If the cemetery was established in 1872, then that will mean my ancestor who died in 1867 is not there, marker or not. I have always wondered if his dying a widower in 1867 so close to the end of the Civil War, leaving his 24 yr old daughter to take the responsibility of her 12 younger siblings, would not allow any funds for a marker. I was hoping his being a Mason, he would have had a Masonic funeral. Now, on to finding the "old cemetery 3 miles south of Union." Fran Bolton

Is there Masonic Cemetery in the city of Newton, in Newton Co.? If so, is it listed in the cemetery books? Was it in existence when my ancestor, a member of the Evergreen Lodge in Decatur, died in 1867? I recently read a reference to a Masonic cemetery in the city of Newton. Several years ago, I visited the Evergreen Lodge in Decatur during a garage sale they were holding, and spoke with George Hays about my frustration of not finding my ancestor's grave in the area. My ancestor, James J. Monroe, b. 1812 NC, was one of the early settlers of Newton Co, in Union. He was a Lawyer, State Representative, and member of the Evergreen Lodge. I asked George Hays if there was a Masonic Cemetery nearby, and he said there was not. He confirmed this with several members at the sale. I also recently acquired a copy of an old handwritten note, pertaining to James J. Monroe: "I believe Papa'a home was about 1 mile south of Union. About 3 miles south of town is a real old cemetery which I believe is where Grandpa Monroe is buried" Can anyone identify this cemetery from this description? Thank you for any input, Fran Bolton Researching Monroe surname from TX, 1869---MS, 1838---AL, 1837---NC, 1812, 1836

Fran, While looking through the Decatur Cemetery website, http://humphreys1625.homestead.com/NewtonCounty.html, I found the following: Decatur Cemetery Duck, J. A.                                              Co. B, 2nd MS  Cav                                no dates Graham, John J., 1st Lt                        Co. A, 5th MS Inf                                    no dates Hammond, B. N. B.                                Co. D, 4th MS Cav                                 no dates Hardy, James W., 2nd Lt                      Co. D, 39th MS Inf                                  no dates Herd, Samuel                                          Vivion's Co., MS  Cav                           no dates Keith, J. H.                                              Co. B, 2nd MS Cav                                no dates Lewis, W. F.                                            Co. A, MS Cav                                                   1848 to 1921 McAlpin, J. B.                                        Co. B, 4th MS Cav                                  no dates McCullan, H. C.                                    Co. A, 5th MS Cav                                            1846 to 1935 McMullan, Jesse C.                              Co. B, 3rd GA Cav(St. Guards)            no dates McMullan, Thomas J., 2nd Lt             Co. D, 39th Ms Inf                                            1830 to 1879 Monroe, A. M., Pvt                                Co. E, 1st MS Battn(St. Tr.)                            1828 to 1931 Phillips, John W.                                   Co. D, 39th MS Inf                                           1837 to Quattlebaum, B. F., Cpl                       Co. D, 13th Ms Inf                                            1838 to 1864                         Quattlebaum, John P.                          Co. E, 20th MS Inf                                            1838 to 1921       Rowzee, William Cleveland                Co. B, 2nd MS Cav                                          1843 to 1923   The initials are not right, but many times errors are made in transcription. Good Luck in your search. Charles San Diego, CA On Thursday, September 23, 2004, at 01:24 PM, Jfrbol@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/23/2004 3:12:06 PM Central Standard Time, > emprice@comcast.net writes: > > "To locate Masonic Cemetery, follow U. S. Highway 80 West from its > intersection with State Highway 15 bypass at Newton for 0.7 mile. > The cemetery, which > was established about 1872 is found on the right (west) side of the > street. > As of the end of 1995 there were 1511 grave markers." > There is no James J. Monroe in the index. > > > > Emma Lou, thank you so much for the time to check for me. If the > cemetery > was established in 1872, then that will mean my ancestor who died in > 1867 is > not there, marker or not. > I have always wondered if his dying a widower in 1867 so close to the > end of > the Civil War, leaving his 24 yr old daughter to take the > responsibility of > her 12 younger siblings, would not allow any funds for a marker. I > was hoping > his being a Mason, he would have had a Masonic funeral. > Now, on to finding the "old cemetery 3 miles south of Union." > Fran Bolton >

Fran, "Newton County, Mississippi: A Cemetery Census 1782 - 1995" lists Masonic Cemetery. "To locate Masonic Cemetery, follow U. S. Highway 80 West from its intersection with State Highway 15 bypass at Newton for 0.7 mile. The cemetery, which was established about 1872 is found on the right (west) side of the street. As of the end of 1995 there were 1511 grave markers." There is no James J. Monroe in the index. Emma Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: Jfrbol@aol.com To: MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:47 PM Subject: [MSNEWTON] Masonic Cemetery In Newton Co?? Cemetery 3 mi S of Union? Is there Masonic Cemetery in the city of Newton, in Newton Co.? If so, is it listed in the cemetery books? Was it in existence when my ancestor, a member of the Evergreen Lodge in Decatur, died in 1867? I recently read a reference to a Masonic cemetery in the city of Newton. Several years ago, I visited the Evergreen Lodge in Decatur during a garage sale they were holding, and spoke with George Hays about my frustration of not finding my ancestor's grave in the area. My ancestor, James J. Monroe, b. 1812 NC, was one of the early settlers of Newton Co, in Union. He was a Lawyer, State Representative, and member of the Evergreen Lodge. I asked George Hays if there was a Masonic Cemetery nearby, and he said there was not. He confirmed this with several members at the sale. I also recently acquired a copy of an old handwritten note, pertaining to James J. Monroe: "I believe Papa'a home was about 1 mile south of Union. About 3 miles south of town is a real old cemetery which I believe is where Grandpa Monroe is buried" Can anyone identify this cemetery from this description? Thank you for any input, Fran Bolton Researching Monroe surname from TX, 1869---MS, 1838---AL, 1837---NC, 1812, 1836

Emma Lou, I sure would like to make it fit as the dates are in the ballpark! Perhaps if I contacted the Decatur Cemetery, they would have some record of Mary Ann and her relatives. I really need to connect to her children to be certain. Should you have a listing for Decatur Cemetery, I would appreciate having it. One other consideration. My 2nd cousin once removed who lives near Dallas told me that Mary Ann Smith was married to Alonso Williams and that his mother visited the gravesite. Unfortunately, his mother has passed on and he did not have the pictures his mother took of the gravesite nor know the name of the cemetery! This differs from the family historian's record stating Andrew Williams. Please check your cemetery book to see if you have an Alonso Williams listed. Thank you, again, for all of your help. It has been great! Charles On Thursday, September 23, 2004, at 12:05 PM, Emma Lou Price wrote: > Charles, could this be your Mary Ann > Smith Williams? > From "Newton County, Mississippi, A Cemetery Census 1782 - 1995, > Compiled by Bonnie Addy Smith, Jackson Eliot Smith and Robert Ervin > Smith, Ph.D., Published 1997", > Page 127: > Buried at Decatur Cemetery, Decatur, > Newton County, MS: > WILLIAMS, Mary Ann > 12/10/1830 - 2/27/1878 Age 47 > Next to her is : > WILLIAMS, Anderson > 4/28/1821 - 2/2/1891 Age 69 > > There are other Williams in that same plot. > > Emma Lou > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles Caballero > To: MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] Marriage- Emma Lou > > > Catherine: > > I have little on the Williams but the following: > > Andrew (Bill) Williams, b. 1826 in Scotland, d. in Newton, MS, > married > Mary Ann Smith, born in Ireland. Mary Ann was Andrew's first wife. > His > second wife is unknown to me. > > The children of Andrew and Mary Ann are: > > 1. William Marshall, b. 24 Dec 1847 in GA, d. 1 Jan 1815 in Hamlin, > TX, married Celesta Jurdon on 6 Nov 1865, b. 30 April 1841, d. 12 Jun > 1885, married Emma Lenora Lasswell in 1886, d. 1918. Had 4 > children > with 1st wife and 5 children with 2nd wife. > > 2. Mary , b. ?, d. ?, married Hunter > > 3. Sarah Ann Elizabeth (Sally), b. 10 Aug 1850 in Georgia, d. 18 May > 1937 in Clovis, Curry Co, NM, married W, Johnas Ratheal on Dec 1869 > and > had elven children > > 4. John, BDM unknown > > 5. Lee, BDM unknnown > > 6. Mattie married Sims > > I have the descendants of William Marshall and Sarah Ann Elizabeth. > If > you would like them, let me know and I will email the info to you. > > Living relatives living in the Dallas area have told me that their > mother visited the grave of Mary Ann Williams in Newton. They did not > know which cemetery, however > > And be sure to let me know if you connect to my Williams'! > > Charles > > > On Thursday, September 23, 2004, at 06:11 AM, Catherine Cooper wrote: > >> Charles, >> >> Who are the parents of your Sarah Williams? >> >> I descend from Williams in Newton (there were many), and I've been >> trying to >> put together the ancestry of these folks as I research my Williams. >> >> Catherine >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Charles Caballero" <keeptruckin@cox.net> >> To: <MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] Marriage- Emma Lou >> >> >>> Thank you so much for the information you found on the >>> Ratheal/Overstreet and Ratheal/Tisdale marriages. Mollie E. and >>> Minnie >>> Lee Ratheal are my g-aunts. They are the elder children of Sara Ann >>> Elizabeth Williams and W. Johnas Ratheal. >>> >>> Do you know if it is possible to obtain a copy of the pages of the >>> marriage book showing the marriages? And are these recordings of the >>> date of issuance of a marriage license or the actual recording of the >>> date of marriage? >>> >>> Am thrilled to receive your information. Again, thank you very much. >>> >>> Charles >>>> >>> >> >

Charles, could this be your Mary Ann Smith Williams? From "Newton County, Mississippi, A Cemetery Census 1782 - 1995, Compiled by Bonnie Addy Smith, Jackson Eliot Smith and Robert Ervin Smith, Ph.D., Published 1997", Page 127: Buried at Decatur Cemetery, Decatur, Newton County, MS: WILLIAMS, Mary Ann 12/10/1830 - 2/27/1878 Age 47 Next to her is : WILLIAMS, Anderson 4/28/1821 - 2/2/1891 Age 69 There are other Williams in that same plot. Emma Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Caballero To: MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] Marriage- Emma Lou Catherine: I have little on the Williams but the following: Andrew (Bill) Williams, b. 1826 in Scotland, d. in Newton, MS, married Mary Ann Smith, born in Ireland. Mary Ann was Andrew's first wife. His second wife is unknown to me. The children of Andrew and Mary Ann are: 1. William Marshall, b. 24 Dec 1847 in GA, d. 1 Jan 1815 in Hamlin, TX, married Celesta Jurdon on 6 Nov 1865, b. 30 April 1841, d. 12 Jun 1885, married Emma Lenora Lasswell in 1886, d. 1918. Had 4 children with 1st wife and 5 children with 2nd wife. 2. Mary , b. ?, d. ?, married Hunter 3. Sarah Ann Elizabeth (Sally), b. 10 Aug 1850 in Georgia, d. 18 May 1937 in Clovis, Curry Co, NM, married W, Johnas Ratheal on Dec 1869 and had elven children 4. John, BDM unknown 5. Lee, BDM unknnown 6. Mattie married Sims I have the descendants of William Marshall and Sarah Ann Elizabeth. If you would like them, let me know and I will email the info to you. Living relatives living in the Dallas area have told me that their mother visited the grave of Mary Ann Williams in Newton. They did not know which cemetery, however And be sure to let me know if you connect to my Williams'! Charles On Thursday, September 23, 2004, at 06:11 AM, Catherine Cooper wrote: > Charles, > > Who are the parents of your Sarah Williams? > > I descend from Williams in Newton (there were many), and I've been > trying to > put together the ancestry of these folks as I research my Williams. > > Catherine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Caballero" <keeptruckin@cox.net> > To: <MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:44 PM > Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] Marriage- Emma Lou > > >> Thank you so much for the information you found on the >> Ratheal/Overstreet and Ratheal/Tisdale marriages. Mollie E. and Minnie >> Lee Ratheal are my g-aunts. They are the elder children of Sara Ann >> Elizabeth Williams and W. Johnas Ratheal. >> >> Do you know if it is possible to obtain a copy of the pages of the >> marriage book showing the marriages? And are these recordings of the >> date of issuance of a marriage license or the actual recording of the >> date of marriage? >> >> Am thrilled to receive your information. Again, thank you very much. >> >> Charles >>> >> >

Catherine: I have little on the Williams but the following: Andrew (Bill) Williams, b. 1826 in Scotland, d. in Newton, MS, married Mary Ann Smith, born in Ireland. Mary Ann was Andrew's first wife. His second wife is unknown to me. The children of Andrew and Mary Ann are: 1. William Marshall, b. 24 Dec 1847 in GA, d. 1 Jan 1815 in Hamlin, TX, married Celesta Jurdon on 6 Nov 1865, b. 30 April 1841, d. 12 Jun 1885, married Emma Lenora Lasswell in 1886, d. 1918. Had 4 children with 1st wife and 5 children with 2nd wife. 2. Mary , b. ?, d. ?, married Hunter 3. Sarah Ann Elizabeth (Sally), b. 10 Aug 1850 in Georgia, d. 18 May 1937 in Clovis, Curry Co, NM, married W, Johnas Ratheal on Dec 1869 and had elven children 4. John, BDM unknown 5. Lee, BDM unknnown 6. Mattie married Sims I have the descendants of William Marshall and Sarah Ann Elizabeth. If you would like them, let me know and I will email the info to you. Living relatives living in the Dallas area have told me that their mother visited the grave of Mary Ann Williams in Newton. They did not know which cemetery, however And be sure to let me know if you connect to my Williams'! Charles On Thursday, September 23, 2004, at 06:11 AM, Catherine Cooper wrote: > Charles, > > Who are the parents of your Sarah Williams? > > I descend from Williams in Newton (there were many), and I've been > trying to > put together the ancestry of these folks as I research my Williams. > > Catherine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Caballero" <keeptruckin@cox.net> > To: <MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:44 PM > Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] Marriage- Emma Lou > > >> Thank you so much for the information you found on the >> Ratheal/Overstreet and Ratheal/Tisdale marriages. Mollie E. and Minnie >> Lee Ratheal are my g-aunts. They are the elder children of Sara Ann >> Elizabeth Williams and W. Johnas Ratheal. >> >> Do you know if it is possible to obtain a copy of the pages of the >> marriage book showing the marriages? And are these recordings of the >> date of issuance of a marriage license or the actual recording of the >> date of marriage? >> >> Am thrilled to receive your information. Again, thank you very much. >> >> Charles >>> >> >

Charles, Who are the parents of your Sarah Williams? I descend from Williams in Newton (there were many), and I've been trying to put together the ancestry of these folks as I research my Williams. Catherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Caballero" <keeptruckin@cox.net> To: <MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [MSNEWTON] Marriage- Emma Lou > Thank you so much for the information you found on the > Ratheal/Overstreet and Ratheal/Tisdale marriages. Mollie E. and Minnie > Lee Ratheal are my g-aunts. They are the elder children of Sara Ann > Elizabeth Williams and W. Johnas Ratheal. > > Do you know if it is possible to obtain a copy of the pages of the > marriage book showing the marriages? And are these recordings of the > date of issuance of a marriage license or the actual recording of the > date of marriage? > > Am thrilled to receive your information. Again, thank you very much. > > Charles > > >

Faye, I found the marriage: Thomas Noris Townsend to Sarah J. Wilkinson (Sally) (Wilkerson). License issued Jan. 7, 1874. No marriage date. Thomas was born 7/4/1852 and d. 1/2/1930. Sarah was b. 12/29/1850 and d. 1/11/1889. There is also another marriage for Thomas: Thomas Noris Townsend (same birth and death dates) to Susan Ella Tucker. License dated 12/29/1894. Married 12/23/1894. Catherine ----- Original Message ----- From: <EDparcel@aol.com> To: <MSNEWTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: [MSNEWTON] Marriage > Would someone look and see if there is a marriage record of S.J. Wilkinson > and T.N. Townsand in Newton County? They possibly married around 1/8/1874 but > am not sure. There is a Harrison Johnston and Elizabeth ? from Newton County > that one sons name is James A. Johnston? I would appreciate any help. These > are my great great grandparents. Thanks. Faye Johnston >