This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bull, Campbell, Pepper, Grantham, Maxwell, Sparks, Ledbetter, Hendricks, Jordan, Moore, Fugate, Exum, Ellison, Elam, et. al. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CKB.2ACI/866 Message Board Post: This is in NO part meant to demean anyone's expression nor belief nor opinion about the aforementioned discussion. It is simply a root of the possible confusion as per the formation of Yazoo County from Lawrence County. ----------------------------------------------------------- Jack Crenshaw Grantham, deceased, is a longtime genealogist with a fine reputation for his thoroughness in his research and presentation. He is a Mississippi native born who moved to Dallas, Texas to pursue his career. ----------------------------------------------------------- The following is one of the reasons for the Yazoo County/Lawrence County discussions about Yazoo County being made from Lawrence County. ==================== Source: email from Jack Grantham to Roger Charles Bull, November 10, 1999 From: "Jack Grantham" <jcgran@...> To: "Roger C. Bull" <bulldata@...> Subject: a little on Ambrose Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 03:10:09 -0600 Ambrose & Elizabeth Bull's Family 1. James Hogan Bull b. 23 Jun 1780 NC, d. 25 Aug 1840 in Yazoo County, MS, m. c1804 to Frelove, called Lovey, Campbell b. 10 Apr 1777, d. 9 Dec 1850 in Yazoo County, MS. Both are buried in the Bull Family Cemetery, located in Yazoo County between Benton and Black River on Highway #16. James and Lovey Bull moved from GA to Lawrence Co. MS in 1817. Lawrence was divided in 1823. Yazoo Co. is one of the counties created out of Lawrence Co. Children: (1) Ambrose b. 1806 NC. Moved to Ashley Co. AR with Robert Bull and Robert Bull's children. (2) Sarah, m. Zedekiah Pepper 12 Sep 1819 (3) Spencer (4) James C. b. 16 Jan 1811 in Jasper Co. GA, d. 10 Dec 1892 in Yazoo Co (5) William M. b. 4 Jun 1816 in Jasper Co. GA, d. 29 Oct 1843 in Yazoo Co. MS James C. and William M, are buried in Bull Family Cemetery in Yazoo Co. James C. Bull's descendants still live on the family farm in Yazoo Co and maintain the cemetery. 2. Susannah m. William Sinclair Lancaster. She had at least one son, Wm Henry Lancaster. She moved to GA with her mother and brothers. Sinclair Lancaster is listed on the tax rolls in Pike Co for 1825, 1827 and 1830. By 1840, the Lancasters were probably living in Heard County, according to a gift deed made by Elizabeth Bull to her daughter and grandson. 3. Robert, b. 1788 in Craven Co NC, d. 13 Aug 1861 in Ashley Co. AR The above prepared by Norton & Houghton ================= This idea (of the Yazoo from Lawrence) was challenged (rightfully) by some of you on this Message Board. Jack Pepper, a native Mississippian and relative, had corrected me on this matter at least twice. For some reason, everytime I looked at the government land records, it stuck with me that the dates on the records we listed during the times that James Hogan Bull lived on the current Bull Plantation/Homestead in Yazoo County during those times, yet the documents between 1832 and 1840 read Lawrence County. From 1840 onward, the documents displayed Yazoo County. We know from our research that J. H. Bull moved from a part of Lawrence County (that is now in Lincoln County) to Yazoo County in 1832. (He moved to Lawrence County about 1817.) Here is one of the emails that Jack Pepper sent me a few years back (in an attempt) to correct me: Source: email from Jack Pepper to Roger Charles Bull, April 11, 2000. Roger, Maybe I can put to rest the vicinity debate about James Hogan Bull. James Hogan was born in Craven Co., NC; moved first to GA; then to Lawrence Co., MS; and then to Yazoo Co., MS where he remained until his death. He is buried in the Bull Cemetery across the highway from his home. There was no break in the ownership of his property during his life time, and much of it is still owned by members of the family. I am a licensed engineer and provided some engineering service for John E. Bull, Sr. (whose son, John Jr. and his daughter, Susie, still live on the home place) and rode over much of his property while planning drainage ditches. Unless someone can find definite proof of any moves he made after settling in Yazoo Co., I feel it is safe to conclude that he did not leave for Arkansas. Of course, we know that he had a son and a brother that moved to AR, but he had large land holdings in Yazoo Co., so would have had no reason to move. There have been several descendants named for James Hogan Bull. This could have contributed to the confusion about any moving to Arkansas. My Samuel Pepper, the father of Zedekiah (who married Sarah/"Sally" Bull, daughter of James Hogan Bull), settled in Lawrence Co., MS about the same time that James Hogan Bull settled. Since Zedekiah and Sally married in Lawrence Co., I assume the families lived near each other. Samuel (and a number of his descendants are buried in the Pepper Cemetery in Lawrence Co. -- in the area that became Lincoln Co. in 1870). JH Bull was supposed to have been the first postmaster of "Old Brook." Samuel's land grant was located near Brookhaven, MS. Numerous descendants still live in that area. Some of his sons moved to Arkansas prior to the Civil War, and Zedekiah was the only one that moved to Yazoo Co., MS. where he received several tracts of land within a few miles of his father-in-law, James Hogan Bull. Zedekiah and Sally had twelve children -- all of them remained in Yazoo Co. during their lifetimes. As for Nina Pepper's record, I worked very closely with her during her later years, and had access to all of her research. She was very active in DAR (joined through Ambrose Bull, and I believe was the one that had his service approved), and had numerous records (cemetery and bible records) deposited in the MS State Archives. Most of them in publications of the Mississippi Genealogical Society. Nina and I were members of the same church and I saw her regularly for many years. We kept each other informed about any new research. About the confusion about where JH Bull lived in MS, he came to MS, before it became a State in 1817, and settled near Brookhaven, when it was in Lawrence Co. (in part that became Lincoln Co. in 1870). The central and northern part of MS was acquired by Indian treaties after it became a State. Hinds Co. was created from a large portion of the central part, then Yazoo Co. was created from most of the undeveloped lands in that county. Later Yazoo was divided into several counties, but James Hogan's land always remained in Yazoo Co. (about 100 miles north of his home in Lawrence Co.) as it is today. Just for the record, I was born and raised in Yazoo City in Yazoo Co., MS. After WW II, I married and lived in the eastern part of that county (not far from the Bull property) for 40 years, and passed the Bull home regularly. I know John Jr. and Susie Bull very well. Susie has been a librarian in the city library in Yazoo City and John farmed the old Bull plantation (and maintains the cemetery). I have been living in Jackson for 15 years, so do not see John and Susie as often. I believe he has retired from farming (rents out the farm land). ... Keep up the good work. We are fortunate to have a number of researchers interested in this family. Jack Pepper ========================= Hence the confusion on my part. Two well respected gentlemen, known for their thoroughness and precision. The advantage of Jack Pepper over Jack Grantham is that of having lived in the area in which he spoke. I do wish that the two of them would have been able to respond to one another and to have been able to resolve this matter before Jack Grantham had passed away last year.... I bow to those who rightfully corrected me: Yazoo County appears NOT to have been a part of Lawrence County. So.... Where does that leave the precision of the government's land records...? ==================================== Please let it be known that you would be hard pressed to find two gentlemen of finer, better character than Jack Grantham and Jack Pepper. Roger