Let me put in my two cents worth. The Comfort that you are talking about that was the overseer for Jimmerson Liddell owned a place on the fronting the Dennis Crossroad ... and the Comfort family is buried in the Stephens Cemetery which is located asbout 2 miles from my house. If you have the Jefferson County Cemetery book Vol 1 you will find them on page 137 J. K. Comfort was born in 1824 and died in 1898. He married Rebecca Stephens who also lived at the Dennis Cross Road ... Tthis is about 1.6 miles from my house The last of the Comfrot died in the mid 1940's ... My in laws knew them well. One of the sons name was Trofmoc ... with is Comfort spelled backwards. He was born in 1863 and died in 1893. Exermina Comfort was born in 1864 and died in 1943. That ws before my time in this part of the country however I have often heard about her little buggy and horse. She would travel up to Red Lick .. sometimes to Lorman. She was the last one to run the farm One of the Comfort girls married A. S. Killingsworth. She was Callier b in 1861 and died in 1879. If any one is interested in the Comforts . let me know. Now I am curious about Jimmerson Lidell. On the other side of the Richmond Hill Plantation was a plantation known as Indigo. I wonder if that was Jimmersons. The Milsaps owned it when I came here. Indigo and Richmond Hill were managed as one plantation. That is my story and I'm sticking to it. Ann B.I .

Bruce, this is very interesting. I'm researching ancestors just a few miles north in the Brandywine District [5] of Claiborne County who were of similar circumstance, so I've taken the liberty to cross-post, as I think we all want to know the answers. I see the 1860 Jefferson County, MS, Slave Schedule transcribed by Linda Durr Rudd at: http://www.angelfire.com/folk/gljmr/1860JeffersonS.html The only information I have on my ancestors in Claiborne County is the 1860 Slave census is at either: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ajac/msclaiborne.htm http://www.rootsweb.com/~msclaib3/afriam.htm and is limited to holders of 40 or more slaves, so it would be nice to find more complete information about those of us whose ancestors in Claiborne County were planters & overseers, but maybe not as wealthy as Smith Coffee Daniel of Windsor who owned 150 slaves. In 1850 my widowed gg-grandmother Jane Bell Boren and her son B. Franklin are planters with a value of just $1250, with my great grandmother Caroline age 17 in the household. Two of Jane's sons are working as overseers nearby. By 1860, Jane's son Wilford D. Boren is the planter, and my great grandfather Humphrey (H.P.K.) Daniel from Tennessee has married Caroline (1851) and works as an overseer for Wilford. The Boren/Daniel family operation does not appear in the 1860 slave census for holders of forty or more slaves, The draft in the spring of 1862 included an exemption for either the planter or overseer of twenty or more slaves, and while Wilford D. Boren serves in the defense of Vicksburg as a corporal in the 38th Mississippi Infantry, I find no record of Civil War service for my great grandfather H.P.K. Daniel. So I suspect the Boren/Daniel "plantation" supported more than twenty but less than forty negroes. I would like to find out more, and any clues would be appreciated. I want to know the truth, and feel I have a special responsibility. I want to know their names and their stories. Clay Daniels ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Liddell" <bdliddell@yahoo.com> To: <MSJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:12 PM Subject: [MSJEFFER-L] The Facts Unravel #2 The Facts Unravel #2 At his untimely death in 1856 in Jefferson County MS, my ancestor Jimerson (James Jr.) Liddell owned thirty black Negro slaves. A lot of folks have trouble discussing uncomfortable topics. To me, the best way to handle a sticky issue is to stick strictly to the facts. Jimerson's household before his death in 1856: - 6 families - 38 people, 8 free whites and 30 black Negro slaves - 17 working-age adults (10 men, 7 women) - 5 elderly (all slaves) - 16 children Of the 9 slaves not formally in families, 2 were elderly and 5 were children. Jimerson's slaves were "Negroes," the term then used for people of Sub-Saharan African ancestry. All surviving documents classify them as "black" suggesting a mainly African bloodline. The classification not used, "mulatto," described people of supposedly mixed African and European parentage. Although Jimerson's contemporaries had many other words for fractions of races, the law generally recognized only whites, blacks, mulattos, and aboriginal "Indians." (Mainstream science today recognizes none of these, only individual human beings.) Jimerson was a "planter" on the 1850 census. By definition a planter owned 20 or more slaves, a "farmer" 19 or fewer. The census coincided with the national uproar over slavery that resulted in the Compromise of 1850, a political patch-job that satisfied neither side. Jimerson's occupation was probably true, but he disguised ownership from "the abolitionists in Washington" by counting his slaves among many others from the neighborhood under J. R. Comfort, occupation "overseer." (Overseer Comfort. Reminds me of now-retired Judge Nice, who wasn't.) The typical MS planter farmed his own land, bought more slaves (not land) when prosperous, and rented his excess slaves for seasonal labor. Mixing fat years and lean, the average plantation earned perhaps 2% or 3% on the money invested. (Big-city banks offered depositors twice that return.) Full-time slave rental, desired but rarely achieved, returned about 10% of the slave's appraised value. Slave values were standard, the same as livestock and used-car values today. Long-term capital growth came primarily from natural increase, children born into lifetime slavery. A healthy young adult slave, raised from infancy, represented a 30% to 50% annual return over childrearing expenses. Jimerson left behind "heirs of his body" a widow age 41 and six minor children 3 to 13. Eighteen months later Martha Ann Baldridge Liddell married childless widower Rev. Thomas Calliham Brown M.D. (of the MS pioneer Calliham family.) Executor Brown kept the estate intact and sold none of the thirty slaves, but one infant, one elder, and one workingman died of natural causes 1859-1862. Upon Emancipation in 1865 all the former slaves took, or were assigned, the surname "Brown" from the current head of household. To the best of our knowledge no present-day African-descent Liddells spring from Jimerson's slaves, but one or more Jefferson-area Brown families probably do. Details, including the names and condition of 37 individual slaves, are on the Jefferson County MS website http://www.rootsweb.com/~msjeffe2/aframerican.htm (address current as of summer 2003.) Liddell family research by Barbara Liddell Thornhill and her late father Jefferson Walter Liddell Sr. Bruce D. Liddell, BDLiddell@yahoo.com 18-Aug-2003 __________________________________

I am posting this notice in the hope that someone might have information on Daniel Baker who was born between 1770-1775 and died in Jefferson County, MS in 1837. He was a charter member of Union Church Presbyterian Church there. If anyone has access to the Probate records in Jefferson County, would you please see if Daniel Baker is listed? He had several children, the oldest (I think) was Thomas Baker. Thanks, Sharron

Great Stuff Bruce! May I post this on the site? Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Liddell To: MSJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:12 PM Subject: [MSJEFFER-L] The Facts Unravel #2 The Facts Unravel #2 At his untimely death in 1856 in Jefferson County MS, my ancestor Jimerson (James Jr.) Liddell owned thirty black Negro slaves. A lot of folks have trouble discussing uncomfortable topics. To me, the best way to handle a sticky issue is to stick strictly to the facts. Jimerson's household before his death in 1856: - 6 families - 38 people, 8 free whites and 30 black Negro slaves - 17 working-age adults (10 men, 7 women) - 5 elderly (all slaves) - 16 children Of the 9 slaves not formally in families, 2 were elderly and 5 were children. Jimerson's slaves were "Negroes," the term then used for people of Sub-Saharan African ancestry. All surviving documents classify them as "black" suggesting a mainly African bloodline. The classification not used, "mulatto," described people of supposedly mixed African and European parentage. Although Jimerson's contemporaries had many other words for fractions of races, the law generally recognized only whites, blacks, mulattos, and aboriginal "Indians." (Mainstream science today recognizes none of these, only individual human beings.) Jimerson was a "planter" on the 1850 census. By definition a planter owned 20 or more slaves, a "farmer" 19 or fewer. The census coincided with the national uproar over slavery that resulted in the Compromise of 1850, a political patch-job that satisfied neither side. Jimerson's occupation was probably true, but he disguised ownership from "the abolitionists in Washington" by counting his slaves among many others from the neighborhood under J. R. Comfort, occupation "overseer." (Overseer Comfort. Reminds me of now-retired Judge Nice, who wasn't.) The typical MS planter farmed his own land, bought more slaves (not land) when prosperous, and rented his excess slaves for seasonal labor. Mixing fat years and lean, the average plantation earned perhaps 2% or 3% on the money invested. (Big-city banks offered depositors twice that return.) Full-time slave rental, desired but rarely achieved, returned about 10% of the slave's appraised value. Slave values were standard, the same as livestock and used-car values today. Long-term capital growth came primarily from natural increase, children born into lifetime slavery. A healthy young adult slave, raised from infancy, represented a 30% to 50% annual return over childrearing expenses. Jimerson left behind "heirs of his body" a widow age 41 and six minor children 3 to 13. Eighteen months later Martha Ann Baldridge Liddell married childless widower Rev. Thomas Calliham Brown M.D. (of the MS pioneer Calliham family.) Executor Brown kept the estate intact and sold none of the thirty slaves, but one infant, one elder, and one workingman died of natural causes 1859-1862. Upon Emancipation in 1865 all the former slaves took, or were assigned, the surname "Brown" from the current head of household. To the best of our knowledge no present-day African-descent Liddells spring from Jimerson's slaves, but one or more Jefferson-area Brown families probably do. Details, including the names and condition of 37 individual slaves, are on the Jefferson County MS website http://www.rootsweb.com/~msjeffe2/aframerican.htm (address current as of summer 2003.) Liddell family research by Barbara Liddell Thornhill and her late father Jefferson Walter Liddell Sr. Bruce D. Liddell, BDLiddell@yahoo.com 18-Aug-2003 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ==== MSJEFFER Mailing List ==== "I collect dead relatives! And sometimes a LIVE cousin!

Bruce, The extract of the 1850 Jefferson County, MS census that I have shows Jimmerson Liddell & his family in dwelling #333 and it indicates that he was a 50 year old planter from NY. Then there is a notation "3,000" and I'm guessing that this may be an indication of wealth. Thompson B. Shaw and his family resided in dwelling #334 which was Richmond Hill Plantation. T.B. Shaw was 54 at that time and he was a native of SC. (He died on 31 Mar 1854.) He was a planter and there is a notation "7,850". T.B. Shaw was my ggg grandfather. J. R. Comfort was shown as a 25 year old overseer from KY in dwelling #335. He was apparently single. Tony Miller

The Facts Unravel #2 At his untimely death in 1856 in Jefferson County MS, my ancestor Jimerson (James Jr.) Liddell owned thirty black Negro slaves. A lot of folks have trouble discussing uncomfortable topics. To me, the best way to handle a sticky issue is to stick strictly to the facts. Jimerson's household before his death in 1856: - 6 families - 38 people, 8 free whites and 30 black Negro slaves - 17 working-age adults (10 men, 7 women) - 5 elderly (all slaves) - 16 children Of the 9 slaves not formally in families, 2 were elderly and 5 were children. Jimerson's slaves were "Negroes," the term then used for people of Sub-Saharan African ancestry. All surviving documents classify them as "black" suggesting a mainly African bloodline. The classification not used, "mulatto," described people of supposedly mixed African and European parentage. Although Jimerson's contemporaries had many other words for fractions of races, the law generally recognized only whites, blacks, mulattos, and aboriginal "Indians." (Mainstream science today recognizes none of these, only individual human beings.) Jimerson was a "planter" on the 1850 census. By definition a planter owned 20 or more slaves, a "farmer" 19 or fewer. The census coincided with the national uproar over slavery that resulted in the Compromise of 1850, a political patch-job that satisfied neither side. Jimerson's occupation was probably true, but he disguised ownership from "the abolitionists in Washington" by counting his slaves among many others from the neighborhood under J. R. Comfort, occupation "overseer." (Overseer Comfort. Reminds me of now-retired Judge Nice, who wasn't.) The typical MS planter farmed his own land, bought more slaves (not land) when prosperous, and rented his excess slaves for seasonal labor. Mixing fat years and lean, the average plantation earned perhaps 2% or 3% on the money invested. (Big-city banks offered depositors twice that return.) Full-time slave rental, desired but rarely achieved, returned about 10% of the slave's appraised value. Slave values were standard, the same as livestock and used-car values today. Long-term capital growth came primarily from natural increase, children born into lifetime slavery. A healthy young adult slave, raised from infancy, represented a 30% to 50% annual return over childrearing expenses. Jimerson left behind "heirs of his body" a widow age 41 and six minor children 3 to 13. Eighteen months later Martha Ann Baldridge Liddell married childless widower Rev. Thomas Calliham Brown M.D. (of the MS pioneer Calliham family.) Executor Brown kept the estate intact and sold none of the thirty slaves, but one infant, one elder, and one workingman died of natural causes 1859-1862. Upon Emancipation in 1865 all the former slaves took, or were assigned, the surname "Brown" from the current head of household. To the best of our knowledge no present-day African-descent Liddells spring from Jimerson's slaves, but one or more Jefferson-area Brown families probably do. Details, including the names and condition of 37 individual slaves, are on the Jefferson County MS website http://www.rootsweb.com/~msjeffe2/aframerican.htm (address current as of summer 2003.) Liddell family research by Barbara Liddell Thornhill and her late father Jefferson Walter Liddell Sr. Bruce D. Liddell, BDLiddell@yahoo.com 18-Aug-2003 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Hi folks! The complete transcription Jefferson County 1820 Census can be found here! ftp://ftp.us-census.org/pub/usgenweb/census/ms/jefferson/1820/ or here http://www.us-census.org/states/mississippi/j-ms.htm#Jefferson Please thank Janice Rice Stevens for transcribing this one! Ann Allen Geoghegan Researching Jefferson & Franklin County, MS I wasn't born in MS but I got here as quick as I could! The things that come to those that wait may be the things left by those who got there first!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/EJB.2ACE/488.1.1.1 Message Board Post: William Henry Dromgoole born December 13, 1831 Lousia Blue Graves Born July 6,1835 Died April 7th 1905 Lousias father was John Blue Graves William Henry Dromgoole died in 1901. Burried in the Cemetery in Jefferson County Kentucky. He was in the cival war Lee at the time of surrender. Had a military citation for bravery for tunneling under the enemy lines. His father was Alexander Gilbert Dromgoole and was married to Mary Urzilla Stampley. They had 10 children Tululia Dromgoole was the the 5th born, She was born June 21st 1886 She married Mark Saxon I have the rest of the childrens names, names of spouses and birthdates should you be interested.

Boy Connie is fast! I never expected it to be up the same day! Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: JRice79761@aol.com To: MSJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: [MSJEFFER-L] 1820 Census Up Ann the 1820 census is up now...Janice ==== MSJEFFER Mailing List ==== "May your brickwalls come tumblin' down!"

Ann the 1820 census is up now...Janice

A wonderful treat today folks! August 14, 2003 - Added The Silver Water Pitcher - A story of Pecan Grove Plantation - contributed by Mrs. W. B. Conklin of Illinois Ann Researching Jefferson & Franklin County, MS I wasn't born in MS but I got here as quick as I could! The things that come to those that wait may be the things left by those who got there first!

This information was in the newspaper: "Rosswood Plantation Diary" CD is available for $7.50 postpaid. It may be ordered by sending a check made to "Rosswood" or by sending your Visa or Mastercard information to Rosswood Plantation, 2513 Red Lick Road, Lorman, MS 39096. Sue M.

Need to contact the CD publisher can someone give me his name and address or phone number?

Sorry! Ann G Toni was asking if anyone was researching the Slave Records of Rosswood. Ann Allen Geoghegan ----- Original Message ----- From: Anebec@aol.com To: MSJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [MSJEFFER-L] What's New? Which Ann? Ann G or Ann B. Col Hylander has made a CD of the Diary. It is available from him for $ 7.50, I think. Bear in mind that Rosswood was built in 1853 .. the old plantation is Prospect Hill. That is the one that is the oldest ... ==== MSJEFFER Mailing List ==== "May you ask the right question of the right person at the right time."

Which Ann? Ann G or Ann B. Col Hylander has made a CD of the Diary. It is available from him for $ 7.50, I think. Bear in mind that Rosswood was built in 1853 .. the old plantation is Prospect Hill. That is the one that is the oldest ...

HI ANN, Just wanted to know if anyone is doing research on the Ross Wood Plantation> Please Advise. Toni

Not that I know of. You might contact Col. Hylander, who is the owner of it now and is operating it as a Bed and Breakfast. I believe he has access to Dr. Walter Ross Wade's journal that he kept for many years while he was the owner of the plantation. Visit their website: http://www.rosswood.net/ for contact information. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: A1656@aol.com To: MSJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [MSJEFFER-L] What's New? HI ANN, Just wanted to know if anyone is doing research on the Ross Wood Plantation> Please Advise. Toni ==== MSJEFFER Mailing List ==== "Isn't genealogy fun? The answer to one problem, leads to two more."

What's New August 12, 2003 - Added 1820 Free Persons of Color Transcribed from the 1820 Jefferson County Census image and contributed by Ann Allen Geoghegan. I lucked up on this census page! I have not found it included in any listing of Jefferson County anywhere else! Thanks to Dot Brown of Monroe, LA, for sparking my curiosity about Jefferson's Free Persons of Color! I am working on the 1820 Census transcriptions for Jefferson, Warren, Claiborne & Franklin. There are only a handful of pages to each one but they are very tricky because you have to make sure you have the right numbers on the right lines! I will be adding them to the pages in Index format first and when completed, the Censuses will be available in the MSGenWeb Library! Warren County 1820 Index is available now! 1820 Index I apologize if you receive duplicates of this! Ann Researching Jefferson & Franklin County, MS I wasn't born in MS but I got here as quick as I could! The things that come to those that wait may be the things left by those who got there first!

For those of you who are researching the Baldridge family, the book "Baldridge Forebears" is being reprinted by the Konawa Genealogy Society. Should be ready soon, if you'd like your name added to the waiting list, write to June Neal at konawa_genealogy@yahoo.com Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Anebec@aol.com To: MSJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [MSJEFFER-L] The Facts Unravel. I still haven't been over to McComb / Summitt to get the Baldridge two volumes back. When I get the time to go over there, I will get Jimmerson's info for you. Ann Brown

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EJB.2ACE/557.1.1 Message Board Post: This refers to Enumeration District 85