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Hester--Bailey
Jimmy Johnson
Searching for info on William Archibald HESTER b. 1831 maybe Va,d. in Holmes Cty 1889,m. abt 1856 to Elizabeth F BAILEY. William Archibald H may had had a brother, or kin Richard Hester b abt 1806 Va,m to a Mary A___? b abt 1809 NC. Richard was an Innkeeper in 1850 Holmes Cty. JImmy

04/04/2001 03:58:33

Need early Marriage lookup
Hello. Is there anyone who could do a marriage lookup? I need to find James Kinney married Mary??? around 1868 or so. Thanks. Sue

03/24/2001 02:50:23

FW: update on Montana records bill - SB443
Arlene Robinson
-----Original Message----- From: Magbatt@aol.com [mailto:Magbatt@aol.com]On Behalf Of or-roots Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 12:54 PM To: or-roots@archive14.sos.state.or.us Subject: update on Montana records bill - SB443 Senator Sam Kitzenberg very kindly sent this update on SB443: I couldn't open the site ( I don't do this well!) but will try later. The important thing is that we now know that it passed the Senate and is in the House. I think we need to make it clear that to PASS the bill is TO PROTECT the records. Some may think that the bill is to allow the destruction of the records. (I hope to heaven I have that straight. If not - someone please correct me - quickly! ) Thanks, MIdge ______________________________________________________________________ Midge... SB 443 passed the Montana Senate but was tabled in the House. Go to the following link to follow the bill. http://laws.leg.state.mt.us:8000/laws01/plsql/LAW0203W$BSRV.ActionQuery?P_BL TP_BILL_TYP_CD=SB&P_BILL_NO=443&P_BILL_DFT_NO=&Z_ACTION=Find&P_SBJ_DESCR=&P_ SBJT_SBJ_CD=&P_LST_NM1=&P_ENTY_ID_SEQ= Sincerely, Sam Kitzenberg [Senator Sam Kitzenberg's e-mail goes out from Helena on timtone@initco.net server]

03/17/2001 04:18:01

FW: update on Montana records bill - SB443
Arlene Robinson
-----Original Message----- From: Judith Katzmark [mailto:judikat@teleport.com]On Behalf Of or-roots Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:56 PM To: or-roots@archive14.sos.state.or.us Subject: Re: update on Montana records bill - SB443 Hello, As any other family historian, I have been appalled to read about the destruction of the MT public records, but the announcement has been clouded by rhetoric. Simply stated, MT SB443 is designed to prohibit the destruction of old public records [over 10 years] before notifying specifically listed historical agencies, including public individuals. You can follow the pathway the bill has taken by visiting http://www.state.mt.us/ , then click "2001 Legislative Session," then "Look Up Bill Information." This link will take you to a search engine where you can enter SB, then 443. Follow the path and you can read for yourself what the bill says to determine what to say in your letters to the legislators. As of 3/14/2001, the bill has been tabled in the second House committee session. I intend to provide my own outcry to preserve the records for my MT traces on two lines back to the late 1800s. Judith judikat@teleport.com

03/17/2001 04:17:52

FW: [MI-Genealogy] Urgent-Montana connections!
Arlene Robinson
-----Original Message----- From: Magbatt@aol.com [mailto:Magbatt@aol.com]On Behalf Of or-roots Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 8:31 PM To: or-roots@archive14.sos.state.or.us Subject: Re: [MI-Genealogy] Urgent-Montana connections! http://leg.state.mt.us/online_publications/laws/57th/legname.htm The above site will give you names, addresses, and phones numbers of the Montana State Representatives and Senators. It has the email addresses for MOST BUT NOT ALL. I wrote a SHORT ( the longer it is the less likely it is to be read) note pleading for the preservation of my husband's and children's history. His family has been in Missoula for over one hundred years. (You must in some way state a relationship with Montana for the message/testimony to carry any weight) I then COPIED it and then just went down the list, clicking on each email and pasting my messages onto each of the emails. I realize I could have sent one message collectively, but in my experience if it appears to be more personal it stands a better chance than one that is sent in a blanket manner. I gave my name and address at the end even though it outside of Montana. It is generally required in other testimony that I have been involved in. This destruction of documents just makes me sick and I urge you all to write immediately. It only took me an hour to contact all of those that had an email address. I consider it an hour well spent! Midge Batt (magbatt@aol.com)

03/16/2001 01:58:02

FW: [MI-Genealogy] Urgent-Montana connections!
Arlene Robinson
-----Original Message----- From: Linda Thiessen [mailto:thiessen.linda@mcleodusa.net] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 12:12 AM To: MI-GENEALOGY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MI-Genealogy] Urgent-Montana connections! This was a response I received from a posting on a Montana mailing list I subscribe to regarding the destruction of ancestral records in Montana! I asked if there was any action I could take as my mother was born in Butte and I have an interest in preserving these records. I thought those of you with connections to Montana should be aware of the situation and hopefully will take action too! "I would think that the more who wrote the better. Make sure the families who write explain that they're interested in preserving their Montana family records, as the site requires a person to put their home address and they'll see it's from out of state. In the comment section, just mention the reasoning for wanting the bill to pass - their Montana ancestral records. If you have any other questions, Patti Marchington is heavily involved in Helena. Her email address is below." Please take the time read this message and respond to those mentioned below via e-mail. Subject: Urgent--SB 443 Hearing update for Genealogists & Historians, SB 443 had tons of opposition from the lobbyist for: The Clerk of District Court Assoc. The Clerk & Recorder's Assoc. The Treasurer Assoc. and opposition from the: The School Insurance Assoc. The State Fund for Workmen Comp. The State Historical Society Library The Secretary of State Brown's Office (I hope I didn't leave anyone out...) They brought up all kinds of things that twisted SB 443 into something that it wasn't. SB 443 only concerns Public Records that are being destroyed in County Courthouses...not anything to do with Workmen's Comp., School anything, etc. Only to give "Notice" to the Public...the State Historical Soc, Historical & Genealogy Soc., down to the Public to have a chance to Preserve our MT History! I showed the House-State Admin. Committee today, 3 Old Record Books originally from Park County Courthouse, that were thrown away. These are: 1897 Voter Registration Book (name, age, birthplace, & address were listed for each voter). 1889 Court Ledger Book...that on the last page has the old 1889 to 1890 marriage records. 1904 City of Livingston Census Book (has names of all family members, occupation of head of household, ages, & addresses). These books were "rescued" by a Historian that happened by the trash cans by the Courthouse and were "saved" in our local Yellowstone Gateway Museum here in Park County....But many, many other records have been lost forever. Our Park County has thrown away the old MT. Marriage Application Books...as many other counties have done, because the Clerk of District Court Assoc. has said they have to... (None of the MT Old Marriage Application Books from about 1865/1889 to 1960s have been copied!). No Courthouse is willing to tell exactly what records have been destroyed, how many, what they are, etc. We don't have an accounting on anything. I had really thought it would be a simple thing to just have the Courthouses to "post" on the wall of the Courthouse the list of Records that they didn't want (or had no room for). And since most Courthouses around MT have e-mail (with more coming on-line everyday), they could just e-mail the State Historical Society of that list of unwanted Records. The State Historical Society (that does not want these records) would look on their lists of local Historical & Genealogy Societies for the area in and around the County that doesn't want the records...and the Public & MT State Historical & Genealogy Societies would all be notified! Very little work on the part of the Courthouses. No cost to the County. After the listings of the local Historical & Genealogy Societies' e-mails on the State Historical Society Library Computer database...very little work (not compared to the priceless preserving of history). If Montana does not come up with a simple plan like this to preserve our MT History NOW....a lot more RECORDS WILL BE DESTROYED!!!! MT Courthouses do not have the space for these Records...they will not be expanding their Courthouse Buildings. They say Micro-filming is too expensive. The Montana Clerk of District Court & Clerk & Recorder Assoc.s will continue to hire their lawyers & lobbyist to tell the MT Researcher what Records we can see, what Records that will no longer exist, while they and all of the Courthouse clerks will be the only ones to have Access, BUT NOT THE PUBLIC. Please call or e-mail these House of Representatives on the House-State Administration Committee. House--State Administration Committee: Allan Walters, Chairman R - Hamilton Debby Barrett, Vice Chairman Majority R - Dillon Tom Dell, Vice Chairman Minority D - Billings Norma Bixby D - Lame Deer Dee Brown R - Hungry Horse Don Hedges R - Antelope Hal Jacobson D - Helena Larry Jent D - Bozeman Michelle Lee D - Livingston Larry Lehman R - Power Ralph Lenhart D - Glendive Gay Ann Masolo R - Townsend Doug Mood R - Seeley Lake Alan Olson R - Roundup Holly Raser D - Missoula Rick Ripley R - Wolf Creek Clarice Schrumpf R - Billings Frank Smith D - Poplar e-mail the House of Representatives: http://leg.state.mt.us/leg_msg.htm This House-State Administration Committee needs to hear from at least hundreds of MT Genealogists & Historians in the next couple of days! Please Support SB 443, we need everyone's help NOW! Patricia Marchington Member of Park County & the State Genealogy Society. marching@avicom.net

03/16/2001 07:11:23

FW: FW: 02-28-01 - NY POST TO PUT ENTIRE ARCHIVES ONLINE
Arlene Robinson
> 02/28/01 - NY POST TO PUT ENTIRE ARCHIVES ONLINE > I found the following news item to be quite interesting and thought I would > pass it on. Could be a valuable and inexpensive tool. Wednesday, February 28, 2001 NY POST TO PUT ENTIRE ARCHIVES ONLINE > Microfilm To Be Digitized By Canadian Company > by Wayne Robins > Alexander Hamilton's editorials online from the New York Post? The > archives of America's oldest continually-published daily are going online, > and may be accessible in time for the November bicentennial of the > Federalists' paper, founded in 1801. > "Our archives are really a treasure trove," said Post Editor Ken > Chandler. "Over the years we've kept them intact on microfilm, but obviously > that's a very cumbersome way to reach them." > The digitizing is being done by Cold North Wind, a two-year-old > company based in Ottawa, Ontario, with a division in Framingham, Mass. Last > year the parent company of The Toronto Star bought a minority share in Cold > North Wind, which is also digitizing the entire archives of that newspaper. > "Newspapers are the only record of continuous daily life for the last > 400 years," Cold North Wind's CEO Bob Huggins said in an interview with E&P > Online last week. The company says it has acquired digital rights to > thousands of newspapers dating back to the 1700's. Its proprietary software, > known as Paper of Record, scans microfilm to create digital images of the > original newspaper pages. The archives will be searchable, and can be > automatically updated with a streaming feed. > Cold North Wind and the newspapers with which it works will share > revenue. Neither Huggins nor Chandler of the Post knows how the numbers or > percentages will play out. But Huggins expects that subscriptions will > "eliminate the nonsense of paying $2.95 or whatever per article." > Chandler added, "We don't look at it as something that's going to > generate great revenues. But we're sitting on an asset we haven't been able > to exploit until now, so it's all kind of gravy." > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Wayne Robins (wrobins@editorandpublisher.com) is an associate editor > covering new media for E&P. > Return to More News > © 2001, Editor & Publisher. > ------=_NextPart_001_0012_01C0A98B.D72A5D40 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> > <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>02/28/01 - NY POST TO PUT ENTIRE ARCHIVES = > ONLINE</TITLE> > <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = > http-equiv=3DContent-Type><BASE=20 > href=3Dhttp://www.editorandpublisher.com/ephome/news/newshtm/stories/0228= > 01n8.htm> > <SCRIPT language=3Djavascript1.2> > </SCRIPT> > <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3DGENERATOR> > <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> > <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT = > color=3D#0000ff=20 > face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D470364701-11032001>I found the = > following news item=20 > to be quite interesting and thought I would pass it on.  Could be a = > valuable and inexpensive tool.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> > <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr> </DIV> > <TABLE border=3D0 cellPadding=3D10 cellSpacing=3D0 width=3D600> > <TBODY> > <TR> > <TD align=3Dmiddle vAlign=3Dtop width=3D140><FONT face=3Darial,times = > size=3D1> > <P = > align=3Dcenter>= >  > <SCRIPT> > var detect =3D navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase(); 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> document.write('</IFRAME>');} > </SCRIPT> > </P></FONT></TD> > <TD align=3Dleft vAlign=3Dtop width=3D420> > <SCRIPT> > var detect =3D navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase(); > // Browser detect > var opera =3D (detect.indexOf("opera") !=3D -1); > var xplore =3D (!opera && detect.indexOf("msie") !=3D-1); > var webtv =3D (detect.indexOf("webtv") !=3D-1); > var icab =3D (detect.indexOf("icab") !=3D -1); > var scape =3D (!opera && detect.indexOf("compatible") =3D=3D-1); > // Making 'browser' a user friendly output > var browser; > if (opera) browser =3D "Opera"; > else if (icab) browser =3D "iCab"; > else if (xplore) browser =3D "Internet Explorer"; > else if (webtv) browser =3D "WebTV"; > else if (scape) browser =3D "Netscape Navigator"; > if (scape) > {bust =3D Math.floor(1000000*Math.random()); > document.write('<SCR' + 'IPT LANGUAGE=3DJavaScript1.1 = > SRC=3D"http://ads.vnuemedia.com/js.ng/Params.richmedia=3Dyes&site=3Dedito= > randpublisher&adsize=3D468x60&PagePos=3D0&bust=3D'+bust+'">\n'); > document.write('</SCR' + 'IPT>\n');} > else if (xplore) > {bust =3D Math.floor(1000000*Math.random()); > document.write('<IFRAME WIDTH=3D468 HEIGHT=3D60 MARGINWIDTH=3D0 = > MARGINHEIGHT=3D0 HSPACE=3D0 VSPACE=3D0 FRAMEBORDER=3D0 SCROLLING=3Dno = > BORDERCOLOR=3D#000000 = > SRC=3D"http://ads.vnuemedia.com/html.ng/site=3Deditorandpublisher&adsize=3D= > 468x60&PagePos=3D0&bust=3D'+bust+'">\n'); > document.write('</IFRAME>');} > </SCRIPT> >  > <P><FONT size=3D-1><I>Wednesday, February 28, 2001</I></FONT>=20 > <P> > <HR> > <P> > <H3>NY POST TO PUT ENTIRE ARCHIVES ONLINE<BR>Microfilm To Be = > Digitized By=20 > Canadian Company </H3> > <TABLE align=3Dright border=3D1 cellPadding=3D3> > <TBODY> > <TR> > <TD> > <TABLE bgColor=3D#dddddd border=3D0 cellPadding=3D2 = > cellSpacing=3D0> > <TBODY> > <TR> > <TD colSpan=3D2> > <HR> > </TD></TR> > <TR> > <TD colSpan=3D2> > <SCRIPT language=3Djavascript1.2> > </SCRIPT> > </TD></TR> > <TR> > <TD colSpan=3D2> > <HR> > </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> > <P>by Wayne Robins</P> > <P>Alexander Hamilton's editorials — online from the <I>New = > York Post</I>?=20 > The archives of America's oldest continually-published daily are = > going=20 > online, and may be accessible in time for the November = > bicentennial of the=20 > Federalists' paper, founded in 1801.</P> > <P>"Our archives are really a treasure trove," said <I>Post</I> = > Editor Ken=20 > Chandler. "Over the years we've kept them intact on microfilm, but = > obviously that's a very cumbersome way to reach them."</P> > <P>The digitizing is being done by Cold North Wind, a two-year-old = > company=20 > based in Ottawa, Ontario, with a division in Framingham, Mass. = > Last year=20 > the parent company of <I>The Toronto Star</I> bought a minority = > share in=20 > Cold North Wind, which is also digitizing the entire archives of = > that=20 > newspaper.</P> > <P>"Newspapers are the only record of continuous daily life for = > the last=20 > 400 years," Cold North Wind's CEO Bob Huggins said in an interview = > with=20 > E&P Online last week. The company says it has acquired digital = > rights=20 > to thousands of newspapers dating back to the 1700's. Its = > proprietary=20 > software, known as Paper of Record, scans microfilm to create = > digital=20 > images of the original newspaper pages. The archives will be = > searchable,=20 > and can be automatically updated with a streaming feed.</P> > <P>Cold North Wind and the newspapers with which it works will = > share=20 > revenue. Neither Huggins nor Chandler of the <I>Post</I> knows how = > the=20 > numbers or percentages will play out. But Huggins expects that=20 > subscriptions will "eliminate the nonsense of paying $2.95 or = > whatever per=20 > article."</P> > <P>Chandler added, "We don't look at it as something that's going = > to=20 > generate great revenues. But we're sitting on an asset we haven't = > been=20 > able to exploit until now, so it's all kind of gravy."</P> > <P> > <HR> > <P><I>Wayne Robins (<A=20 > = > href=3D"mailto:wrobins@editorandpublisher.com">wrobins@editorandpublisher= > .com</A>)=20 > is an associate editor covering new media for</I> E&P.=20 > <P></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> > <P> > <P align=3Dcenter>Return to <A = > href=3D"/ephome/news/newshtm/news.htm">More News</A>=20 > <P>=A9 2001, Editor & Publisher. > <SCRIPT language=3Djavascript1.2> > </SCRIPT> > </P></BODY></HTML> > ------=_NextPart_001_0012_01C0A98B.D72A5D40-- > ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0A98B.D72A5D40 > Content-Type: text/plain; > name="ATT00001.txt" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="ATT00001.txt" > ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0A98B.D72A5D40-- Hi -- The message you submitted to this list (included above) wasn't sent to the list subscribers. RootsWeb accepts only plain text mail. 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03/10/2001 01:43:32

Explanation of Census Dates.
Charles Phillips
> List, I thought this would be helpful to pass along from another rootsweb >list I belong to. > > > The date that counts is not the one on which the > > information was recorded by the census taker, but the status of the > > household on the specific OFFICIAL Census Date: > > > > "Census takers were instructed to count the population on a given date, >for > > example June 1st, and even if it was August before the count was actually > > made for a given family the information was to be accurate as of June 1st. > > If someone was alive on June 1st and deceased by the time the census taker > > got to the house that person would be listed as living. If a baby was born > > in July (for example) it would not be listed since it wasn't alive on June > > 1st. This can be extremely confusing and frustrating since most census > > schedules list the actual date the census information was written down. It > > has caused many family researcher untold hours of unnecessary research. In > > the following explanation of each census watch closely for the date the > > census was to be recorded as of. Along the same lines some of the later > > schedules that ask for a birth year will record a child as 2/12 meaning >the > > child is two months old. Most researchers look at the date the information > > was recorded and quickly come up with a birth date - but remember the >child > > would be 2 months old AT THE CENSUS ENUMERATION DATE - not the date the > > information was recorded." > >

01/24/2001 01:59:03

Froemming Bros., Inc.
Gwen Hoover
My grandfather, Jimmie Hoover, was born in Yazoo City in 1896. He died in Holmes County, MS in the 1970's. As per his Social Security Application, in 1937 he worked for Froemming Bros., Inc. Has anyone heard of this company? Thanks for your help, in advance.

01/20/2001 04:01:12

Epidemic
Was there an epidemic in the Tchula are of Holmes County in the 1800s (maybe between 1882 and 1888) and if so was there a special place where they buried those who died from this epidemic? I'm looking for the Surnames HELMER and KEMPF: Antoine/Anton and Eva HELMER arrived in the county about 1854 Joseph HELMER married Louisa (Lucy) TINDLE in 1866 Mary HELMER HOUSE HUBBARD in the 1870 and 1880 census Xavier HELMER with sister Mary HUBBARD in 1880 census Nicolas HELMER Stephen HELMER in the 1870 census Antoine/Tony HELMER in the 1870 census George and Mary KEMPF arrived in the county before 1860 (in Yazoo County in 1852) Mary Theresa KEMPF Thanks Deb Helmer Helmer5thgen@aol.com Navarre, FL http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~djhelmer/ Surnames: HELMER, KEMPF, TINDLE, WILLINGHAM, GRAETER, TIMAEUS, ULLRICH, JONES

01/16/2001 06:07:50

epidemic and Surnames HELMER and KEMPF
Was there an epidemic in the Tchula are of Holmes County in the 1800s (maybe between 1882 and 1888) and if so was there a special place where they buried those who died from this epidemic? I'm looking for the Surnames HELMER and KEMPF: Antoine/Anton and Eva HELMER arrived in the county about 1854 Joseph HELMER married Louisa (Lucy) TINDLE in 1866 Mary HELMER HOUSE HUBBARD in the 1870 and 1880 census Xavier HELMER living with sister Mary HUBBARD in the 1880 census Nicolas HELMER Stephen HELMER in the 1870 census Antoine/Tony HELMER in the 1870 census George and Mary KEMPF arrived in the county before 1860 (in Yazoo County in 1852) Mary Theresa KEMPF

01/15/2001 06:34:24