In a message dated 9/3/2002 6:49:38 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Does anyone know what part of SC Robert Thornhill > and wife, Permela Middleton were born in or moved > here from? Thanks for any help! > Debbie W. I was never able to determine where they were from when they died or where they were buried and I have a copy of the church records film from the church where other family members were buried I wasn't able to find anymore information on them on it take care, Debbie

Does anyone know what part of SC Robert Thornhill and wife, Permela Middleton were born in or moved here from? Thanks for any help! Debbie W. 1. Robert Thornhill was born in SC about 1787. He married Permela Middleton in Amite Co., MS, September 22, 1813. Pemmy or Penny was born in SC about 1799. Robert Thornhill and Permela Middleton had the following family: + 2 i. Margaret Thornhill was born 1820. + 3 ii. Priscilla Thornhill was born 1829. + 4 iii. Middleton Thornhill was born about 1832.

THE HART NAMES YOU SENT AREN'T IN MY DIRECT LINE. I NEED TO KNOW THE BEGINNING. (AFTER PAGE 19) I AM IN THE ELIZABETH HART MOKE LINE. ELIZABETH IS THE DAUGHTER OF JOHN BRYAN. THANKS AGAIN. Lyndell: Noticed you wrote Moke...Suggest you also check variation of name MOAK, as many of them are in the area and or nearby counties... Sorry took so long to answer this. Some of you may know I am currently under dr. care and have been having a few problems. With time, I am sure to be back and able to once again help all the folks I can. I will still look up Civil War stuff for all...Just slowly but surely...Have not seen any requests of late for any of that though. Just wanted to say hi to all once again and let you know I am getting the emails. Ed -- http://www.angelfire.com/art/Photographic Researching:Hall,Turner,Smith,King,Bailey Laird,White,Powhatan

This was posted on the Marion Co., SC list today by the list adm. It's a great land lottery "primer" and so is the website. The 1827 lottery is on-line now. Hope you find a long-lost ancestor or two. Nancy, researching: Doty/Warren/Stringer of MA/VA/NC/GA/MS McCormick/Dawkins/Carmichael of NC/SC/MS Garrett of SC/MS Matthews/Jackson/Robertson of IL/AL/MO/TX/LA Cain/Garmon/Yancey of GA/TX > There's some Georgia data that's recently gone on-line: the > 1827 Land Lottery. Most of us have some kinfolk who > either migrated to Georgia or who seemed to vanish from > our area without a trace. You might find that your ancestor > won the lottery. :) > > In 1805 Georgia held it's first of six land lotteries to distribute > newly-acquired territory. The lotteries were held in 1805, > 1807, 1820, 1821, 1827 and 1832 (the "Gold" lottery). > The first lottery required a minimum of one year's residence > in Georgia prior to registering for the drawing, but the second > through sixth required a minimum of three years' residence. > Other rules of eligibility applied, e.g., marital status, veteran > status, and if you find your ancestor won the lottery, you'll want > to look at the complete list of rules for genealogical clues. > > Each drawing was authorized by an Act of Legislature as > follows: > May 11, 1803 (1805 drawing) > June 26, 1806 (1807 drawing) > Dec 15, 1818 & Dec 21, 1819 (1820 drawing) > May 15, 1821 (1821 drawing) > June 9, 1825 (1827 drawing) > Dec 21, 1830 & Dec 24, 1831 (1832 drawing) > > After a Lottery was authorized by the Legislature, eligible > Georgia citizens registered in their county of residence > and registrants' names, together with surveyor slips > containing lot and district number, were sent to the State > Capitol and placed in two separate drums. Commissioners > appointed by the Governor drew from each of these wheels > or drums and the winners were announced. The fortunate > drawer was then to take out a grant for the lot he drew and > pay the specified fee ($18 for 1827 lottery). If he did not > take out a grant, the lot reverted to the State. > > The 1827 Georgia Land Lottery files can be found at: > http://www.gagenweb.net/lottery/1827/ > Happy hunting! > > Victoria

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Okay! Will do! Have you added the new one? Ann Geoghegan County Coordinator for Jefferson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrianne Hopkins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:37 PM Subject: [MSFRANKL-L] Remove from list please > My email has changed and I cannot remove myself: > > > [email protected] > [email protected] > [email protected] > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ==== MSFRANKL Mailing List ==== > "Genealogists: People helping people.....that's what it's all about." > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Carolyn, Very happy to see some more cemeteries online in Franklin! Thanks to you to Nick! I live here in Franklin and I know how hot it gets in August! Ann Geoghegan Jefferson County Coordinator ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:34 PM Subject: [MSFRANKL-L] Mt. Gilead Primitive Baptist Church Cemetery > I just recently finished putting Nick Denley's transcription of Mt. Gilead > Primitive Baptist Church Cemetery at the Franklin County MSGenWeb site. He > transcribed this on August 14, 2002.. That must have been a "hot" > Mississippi August day. > > This is a BIG one... over 200 names. Thank you so much Nick for sharing it > with us. > > The new page is located at: <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~msfrankl/cemmtgilead.htm">http://www.rootsweb .com/~msfrankl/cemmtgilead.htm</A> > > Carolyn Switzer > County Coordinator for Franklin County, MS > [email protected] or [email protected] > > > > > > > > ==== MSFRANKL Mailing List ==== > "Sharing genealogy is a rewarding experience!" > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I just recently finished putting Nick Denley's transcription of Mt. Gilead Primitive Baptist Church Cemetery at the Franklin County MSGenWeb site. He transcribed this on August 14, 2002.. That must have been a "hot" Mississippi August day. This is a BIG one... over 200 names. Thank you so much Nick for sharing it with us. The new page is located at: <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~msfrankl/cemmtgilead.htm">http://www.rootsweb.com/~msfrankl/cemmtgilead.htm</A> Carolyn Switzer County Coordinator for Franklin County, MS [email protected] or [email protected]

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Since Meridian is the state headquarters for the Masonic Lodge, there is a lot of information in the Meridian Public Library. Carolyn

Hi, More surnames: WILLIS line in Franklin Co, MS. Leila Irene WILLIS married James BEESLEY Dec. 31, 1896 Franklin Co, Walter Wade WILLIS married Sarah Alice LEE Jan. 12, 1881 Franklin Co, Robert Asbury WILLIS married Martha Elizabeth COPE May 8, 1868 Franklin Co,. Looking for more information on James BEESLEY, Sarah Alice LEE, Martha Elizabeth Cope I have, she is my gg-grandmother, just wondering if there are any related Copes out there. Elaine

Thank you Glenn, wonderful information. Elaine *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 8/18/02 at 10:18 AM Glenn Cupit <[email protected]> wrote: >Elaine, Tony & all, >The Masonic Lodge in Meadville is: Ben Franklin #11, F&AM. >Master is: John L Watson >Secretary is Tommy A Myers >The Lodge was chartered January 17, 1853. >They meet the 2nd Monday of each month. >Some of our ancestors may have been members of that and other area Lodges. >I have intended to visit that Lodge at my first opportunity, but so far >have been unavailable at the time of their meetings. >Lodge membership records and minutes are never destroyed. >If anyone on this list is a member of the Meadville Lodge, they may be >willing to search the old records for specific names and dates of >membership. Member rolls also include dob & dod. Probably would not list >spouses. >The Grand Lodge of Mississippi also retains Lodge records for all Lodges >in Mississippi. The web site of the Grand Lodge of Mississippi is: >http://www.msgrandlodge.org/ >The Grand Secretary can be contacted and asked to provide specific >genealogy information. >However, one would have to furnish specific information, including name, >town of residence, Lodge (if known) and approximate dates of membership. >(potentially - age 21 to death) >The Grand Secretary's e-mail address is: >[email protected] >My Lodge in Clinton does have a cemetery. Most Masonic cemeteries have >perpetual care and are in good shape. These cemeteries are not >exclusively for Masons, and are a good source of headstone data. >In my database, I try to find out and note if a man was a Mason, because >his Lodge records may be a source of further information not available >anywhere else to future researchers. >A square & compasses or other Masonic symbol (A Cross of Constantine >[Knights Templar], Scottish or York Rite [32°], Shrine [A.O.N.O.T.M.S.], >Grotto, F&AM, AF&AM, or other string of letters and periods) on a >headstone should cause this to be noted in the genealogy record. The >Order of Woodsmen was a popular fraternal organization in the late 1800's >- early 1900's, not related to Masonry, but many Masons were also >Woodsmen. Membership in the Woodsman was often noted on headstones and >would be enough to make me inquire if he was also a Mason. >Regards, >Glenn > >member: >Olive Lodge #52, F&AM >Clinton, Louisiana > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Anthony A. Miller >Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 9:16 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [MSFRANKL-L] Re: Masonic Lodge, Meadville > >Elaine, >The Masonic Lodge in Meadville does not have a cemetery. It is in a >beautiful old brick building. >The closest cemetery is Midway Cemetery which is between Meadville and >Bude, perhaps about a mile from the Lodge. >Tony Miller > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Elaine Tasker >Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:28 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [MSFRANKL-L] Re: Masonic Lodge, Meadville > >Would anyone know about a Masonic Lodge # 48 in Meadville? I am >wondering if the Lodge has a cemetery or a connection to >another cemetery. > >Elaine > > >==== MSFRANKL Mailing List ==== >"Genealogy: Better than the best adventure game and just as frustrating." > > >==================== ========== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid =1237 > > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE ***********

Tony, I'm not worried. This may be something we are never sure of. I have no idea, just reporting different opinions I have heard. Elaine *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 8/18/02 at 9:34 AM Anthony A. Miller <[email protected]> wrote: > Elaine, > >I'm not ignorning you, I'm just pondering over your note concerning Mary >A. Havis. I revisisted the footnote on page 226 of Volume I of the >Jersey Settlers books and understand where your coming from. I also >note that whomever the reasercher was who provided some of the >information on this page was not entirely right. While the Jersey >Settlers books cover a lot of territory which is mostly correct there >are bits and pieces here and there that leave a lot to be desired in >terms of correctness and accuracy. >Let me study this a little more and I'll get back to you. > >Tony > > > > > > > >==== MSFRANKL Mailing List ==== >"Oh where, oh where, have my ancestors gone? Oh where, or where, can they >be?" > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE ***********

Tony, yes, I know who is who and born where and married etc., and what you wrote is certainly a possibility, who knows? There are mistakes in books all the time. I thought this other Flowers' researcher had a good possibility also. Maybe someday we'll find out! Elaine *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 8/18/02 at 11:37 AM Anthony A. Miller <[email protected]> wrote: >Elaine, > >My opinion on Mary Ann HAVIS is that she cannot be a daughter of Thomas >Rutledge HAVIS because she must have been born about 1788 in SC. Thomas >Rutledge HAVIS was born in 1782 in SC. It is known that Thomas Rutledge >HAVIS, Sr. was the son of John HAVIS and Miss Susanah (maiden name >unknown). It would seem an excellent possibility that Mary Ann was a >sibling of Thomas Rutledge HAVIS, Sr. > >Tony Miller > > > > > >==== MSFRANKL Mailing List ==== >"Genealogy: Better than the best adventure game and just as frustrating." > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE ***********

Sorry Paul, It was a slip of my "hunt & peckin'" typing. I meant to type 3 and somehow 53 came out! Regards, Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Davis Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 2:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MSFRANKL-L] Masonry - Genealogy research Just happened to read your post today on Masonic Lodges in Miss. and noticed you said the lodge in Port Gibsn was number 53. I don't think your figure is correct as I have been a member of that lodge since 1952 ansd the correct number is Washington Lodge # 3, not # 53. Paul L. Davis [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Cupit <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [MSFRANKL-L] Masonry - Genealogy research > Hi Tony, > The Lodge in Bude is: > Bude Lodge #566 - chartered February 25, 1920 > Master is: George T Norris > Secretary is: Thomas L Sullivan, Sr > They meet on the 1st Monday of each month. > Local or "Blue" Lodge numbers are assigned in chorological order of charter date for each state Grand Lodge. The lower the number, the older the Lodge. > Note that the Lodge in Meadville is #11, Bude is #566. Ben Franklin #11 was chartered in 1853, Bude #566 came into existence in 1920. > One needs to know the charter date of the Lodge as records can only go back as far as the lodge was in existence. > Ben Franklin #11 is the Lodge we would be interested in. > If you go to the Grand Lodge web site that I previously noted, you can search by city for Masonic Lodges. > Listed for each Lodge is: name of Master and Secretary, day of meeting (Masonic meetings are called "communications", always at night), date of charter (organization date) and town of location. > Ben Franklin is an extremely old Lodge, being the 11th Lodge chartered in Mississippi under the Grand Lodge of Mississippi. > It is the 5th oldest Lodge in Mississippi, of Lodges existing today. > Existing Lodges older than the one in Meadville are: Harmony #1 - Andrew Jackson #2 (Natchez), Port Gibson #53, Columbus #5. > The Grand lodge of Mississippi was founded July 27, 1818. The Grand Lodge of the State of Louisiana was founded June 20, 1812. > Regards, > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anthony A. Miller > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 11:01 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MSFRANKL-L] Masonry - Genealogy research > > Glenn, > This is wonderful information on Masonry and the lodges. I've driven > past the Ben Franklin Lodge a number of times and often wondered about > it. There is also a lodge in Bude on the right side near the overpass > going into Meadville. I'm sure a number of my ancestors and cousins > were members of the Ben Franklin lodge or the lodge in Fayette. The Ben > Franklin Lodge put out an interesting paper around 1958 which was its > Centennial observance. I think it listed lodge officers and members > over the years. > > Tony Miller > > > ==== MSFRANKL Mailing List ==== > "Only a genealogist regards a step backwards as progress." > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== MSFRANKL Mailing List ==== "Oh where, oh where, have my ancestors gone? Oh where, or where, can they be?" ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Just happened to read your post today on Masonic Lodges in Miss. and noticed you said the lodge in Port Gibsn was number 53. I don't think your figure is correct as I have been a member of that lodge since 1952 ansd the correct number is Washington Lodge # 3, not # 53. Paul L. Davis [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Cupit <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [MSFRANKL-L] Masonry - Genealogy research > Hi Tony, > The Lodge in Bude is: > Bude Lodge #566 - chartered February 25, 1920 > Master is: George T Norris > Secretary is: Thomas L Sullivan, Sr > They meet on the 1st Monday of each month. > Local or "Blue" Lodge numbers are assigned in chorological order of charter date for each state Grand Lodge. The lower the number, the older the Lodge. > Note that the Lodge in Meadville is #11, Bude is #566. Ben Franklin #11 was chartered in 1853, Bude #566 came into existence in 1920. > One needs to know the charter date of the Lodge as records can only go back as far as the lodge was in existence. > Ben Franklin #11 is the Lodge we would be interested in. > If you go to the Grand Lodge web site that I previously noted, you can search by city for Masonic Lodges. > Listed for each Lodge is: name of Master and Secretary, day of meeting (Masonic meetings are called "communications", always at night), date of charter (organization date) and town of location. > Ben Franklin is an extremely old Lodge, being the 11th Lodge chartered in Mississippi under the Grand Lodge of Mississippi. > It is the 5th oldest Lodge in Mississippi, of Lodges existing today. > Existing Lodges older than the one in Meadville are: Harmony #1 - Andrew Jackson #2 (Natchez), Port Gibson #53, Columbus #5. > The Grand lodge of Mississippi was founded July 27, 1818. The Grand Lodge of the State of Louisiana was founded June 20, 1812. > Regards, > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anthony A. Miller > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 11:01 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MSFRANKL-L] Masonry - Genealogy research > > Glenn, > This is wonderful information on Masonry and the lodges. I've driven > past the Ben Franklin Lodge a number of times and often wondered about > it. There is also a lodge in Bude on the right side near the overpass > going into Meadville. I'm sure a number of my ancestors and cousins > were members of the Ben Franklin lodge or the lodge in Fayette. The Ben > Franklin Lodge put out an interesting paper around 1958 which was its > Centennial observance. I think it listed lodge officers and members > over the years. > > Tony Miller > > > ==== MSFRANKL Mailing List ==== > "Only a genealogist regards a step backwards as progress." > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Tony, The Lodge in Bude is: Bude Lodge #566 - chartered February 25, 1920 Master is: George T Norris Secretary is: Thomas L Sullivan, Sr They meet on the 1st Monday of each month. Local or "Blue" Lodge numbers are assigned in chorological order of charter date for each state Grand Lodge. The lower the number, the older the Lodge. Note that the Lodge in Meadville is #11, Bude is #566. Ben Franklin #11 was chartered in 1853, Bude #566 came into existence in 1920. One needs to know the charter date of the Lodge as records can only go back as far as the lodge was in existence. Ben Franklin #11 is the Lodge we would be interested in. If you go to the Grand Lodge web site that I previously noted, you can search by city for Masonic Lodges. Listed for each Lodge is: name of Master and Secretary, day of meeting (Masonic meetings are called "communications", always at night), date of charter (organization date) and town of location. Ben Franklin is an extremely old Lodge, being the 11th Lodge chartered in Mississippi under the Grand Lodge of Mississippi. It is the 5th oldest Lodge in Mississippi, of Lodges existing today. Existing Lodges older than the one in Meadville are: Harmony #1 - Andrew Jackson #2 (Natchez), Port Gibson #53, Columbus #5. The Grand lodge of Mississippi was founded July 27, 1818. The Grand Lodge of the State of Louisiana was founded June 20, 1812. Regards, Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony A. Miller Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 11:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MSFRANKL-L] Masonry - Genealogy research Glenn, This is wonderful information on Masonry and the lodges. I've driven past the Ben Franklin Lodge a number of times and often wondered about it. There is also a lodge in Bude on the right side near the overpass going into Meadville. I'm sure a number of my ancestors and cousins were members of the Ben Franklin lodge or the lodge in Fayette. The Ben Franklin Lodge put out an interesting paper around 1958 which was its Centennial observance. I think it listed lodge officers and members over the years. Tony Miller

Elaine, My opinion on Mary Ann HAVIS is that she cannot be a daughter of Thomas Rutledge HAVIS because she must have been born about 1788 in SC. Thomas Rutledge HAVIS was born in 1782 in SC. It is known that Thomas Rutledge HAVIS, Sr. was the son of John HAVIS and Miss Susanah (maiden name unknown). It would seem an excellent possibility that Mary Ann was a sibling of Thomas Rutledge HAVIS, Sr. Tony Miller

Elaine, Tony & all, The Masonic Lodge in Meadville is: Ben Franklin #11, F&AM. Master is: John L Watson Secretary is Tommy A Myers The Lodge was chartered January 17, 1853. They meet the 2nd Monday of each month. Some of our ancestors may have been members of that and other area Lodges. I have intended to visit that Lodge at my first opportunity, but so far have been unavailable at the time of their meetings. Lodge membership records and minutes are never destroyed. If anyone on this list is a member of the Meadville Lodge, they may be willing to search the old records for specific names and dates of membership. Member rolls also include dob & dod. Probably would not list spouses. The Grand Lodge of Mississippi also retains Lodge records for all Lodges in Mississippi. The web site of the Grand Lodge of Mississippi is: http://www.msgrandlodge.org/ The Grand Secretary can be contacted and asked to provide specific genealogy information. However, one would have to furnish specific information, including name, town of residence, Lodge (if known) and approximate dates of membership. (potentially - age 21 to death) The Grand Secretary's e-mail address is: [email protected] My Lodge in Clinton does have a cemetery. Most Masonic cemeteries have perpetual care and are in good shape. These cemeteries are not exclusively for Masons, and are a good source of headstone data. In my database, I try to find out and note if a man was a Mason, because his Lodge records may be a source of further information not available anywhere else to future researchers. A square & compasses or other Masonic symbol (A Cross of Constantine [Knights Templar], Scottish or York Rite [32°], Shrine [A.O.N.O.T.M.S.], Grotto, F&AM, AF&AM, or other string of letters and periods) on a headstone should cause this to be noted in the genealogy record. The Order of Woodsmen was a popular fraternal organization in the late 1800's - early 1900's, not related to Masonry, but many Masons were also Woodsmen. Membership in the Woodsman was often noted on headstones and would be enough to make me inquire if he was also a Mason. Regards, Glenn member: Olive Lodge #52, F&AM Clinton, Louisiana ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony A. Miller Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 9:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MSFRANKL-L] Re: Masonic Lodge, Meadville Elaine, The Masonic Lodge in Meadville does not have a cemetery. It is in a beautiful old brick building. The closest cemetery is Midway Cemetery which is between Meadville and Bude, perhaps about a mile from the Lodge. Tony Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: Elaine Tasker Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MSFRANKL-L] Re: Masonic Lodge, Meadville Would anyone know about a Masonic Lodge # 48 in Meadville? I am wondering if the Lodge has a cemetery or a connection to another cemetery. Elaine

Elaine, I'm not ignorning you, I'm just pondering over your note concerning Mary A. Havis. I revisisted the footnote on page 226 of Volume I of the Jersey Settlers books and understand where your coming from. I also note that whomever the reasercher was who provided some of the information on this page was not entirely right. While the Jersey Settlers books cover a lot of territory which is mostly correct there are bits and pieces here and there that leave a lot to be desired in terms of correctness and accuracy. Let me study this a little more and I'll get back to you. Tony