Hi All, I don't mean to get into your conversation really by my curiosity has been aroused. In 2004 my husband and I cataloged the New Hope Baptist Cemetery. This was after the tornadoes that swept thru this area in 1992 throwing trees into the cemetery and destroying grave stones it even damaged the church to the extent that all but the fellowship hall had to be rebuilt. Your emails bring to mind a couple of questions I would like to ask. 1. The new Hope Cemetery was first mentioned as the burial place of Joel Harvey Sr. a Revolutionary War Soldier. Is it possible that his wife's surname was Claytor? As you are aware I am sure New Hope Baptist Cemetery was originally the Claitor- Jamison Cemetery. Could the Bible entry say Claytor not Clayton? There are two broken unidentified stones in the New Hope Cemetery near the Claitor Family. 2. In the original cememtery there are 22 unmarked graves. Is there a chance that Joel Sr. is buried there? Providence Cemetery is roughly 3 Miles or so from New Hope. If Joel Jr. served as Minister in town at that time is it possibe he later served Providence and was buried there. It would certainly make sense for him to buried at his chuch at his passing or maybe near his family at any rate. Just a couple of things that occured to me. Have A Great Day, Gigi > From: wwgoss@knology.net > To: msattala@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:47:22 -0600 > Subject: Re: [MSATTALA] Attala County Revolutionary War Vets > > Dear Dennis, > > So good to hear from you, again. And thank you for sharing some additional > information. I did not have the reference re HISTORY OF THE PRIMITIVE > BAPTISTS OF MISSISSIPPI (1853) by Benjamin Griffin. I guess they should > have a copy at the Mississippi College Library. I thank you for that. As > you say, I've spent a lot of time thinking about and researching the HARVEY > family line--particularly the various references to their Primitive Baptist > ministry. I guess my chief observation is deductive in nature, i.e., Joel > Vincent Harvey, Sr. died in 1836. This date is confirmed via the HARVEY > FAMILY BIBLE, as follows: "Joe Harvey Senr: Husband of the above named > Nancy Clayton was born 1764 died at the age of 72--" [i.e., 1836] and that > point in time roughly appears to be the same timeframe when a number of the > remaining younger HARVEY family members moved up from south Mississippi into > Attala County following the Choctaw Cessions of 1833. According to Fannie > Coleman's scrapbook: "Soon after the formation of the town [Kosciusko] in > 1835, the Primitive Baptists, being quite numerous among the early settlers, > organized and built a house of worship about one-half mile southeast of > Kosciusko. Therefore, the early Attala County references to Joel Harvey, of > which there are several, would almost certainly have to be references to > Joel Vincent Harvey, Jr. (1788-1871), his father having been deceased by > that point in time. One such reference source is THE HISTORY OF FIRST > BAPTIST CHURCH KOSCIUSKO, MISSISSIPPI, 1848-1998, by Anne Hughes Porter, > Church Historian, and the Church Sesquicentennial History Committee, pp. > 20-21: "Again in 1854, it was removed . . . . Joel Harvey, a Primitive > Baptist minister, sometimes preached in the courthouse, which was a small > brick building. . . . In 1856, the church passed a resolution to make an > effort to build a new meeting house at the old site near Kosciusko. Joel > Harvey continued as pastor until 1847, when G. W. Burt was elected." It > seems to me that these dates are fairly conclusive. What do you think? > Seem reasonable to you? > > Dennis, is Johnny Boswell (son of Mims Boswell) your kin by any chance? I > knew Johnny (and Mr. Mims) years ago back in Kosy. > > Best regards, > > Walter Goss > Montgomey, AL (KHS Class of 1969) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis K. Boswell" <dennisb@mindspring.com> > To: <msattala@rootsweb.com>; <msattala@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 7:42 PM > Subject: Re: [MSATTALA] Attala County Revolutionary War Vets > > > > Dear Walter, > > > > When you said in your note, ". . .it is believed that his son, Joel > > Vincent Harvey, Jr. (1788-1871; who married > > Mary Snow), who was an early Primitive Baptist Preacher to Kosciusko > > and Attala County. . ." you reminded me that in my own Harvey > > research, I also was uncertain if Joel Jr. "was an early Primitive > > Baptist Preacher." The reason being that in the literature, the name > > "Joel Harvey," in reference to a PB Preacher, appears many times > > without either Sr. or Jr. appearing after it. > > > > I just looked over my paper Harvey files; the bibles, et al. and > > could not find anything that pinned down whether Joel Jr. was a PB > > minister. So, I turned to my copy of HISTORY OF THE PRIMITIVE > > BAPTISTS OF MISSISSIPPI by Benjamin Griffin (of Holmes County, > > Mississippi, published in 1853 and found nothing confirming that Joel > > Harvey Jr. was a PB Minister, but many references to "J Harvey," > > "Joel Harvey" as "brother" and "Elder" in the 1843, 1845 time frame, > > but again, nothing to distinguish Sr. from Jr. > > > > Like you, Walter, I have always taken it as a given that Sr. was a PB > > Minister, and have always been uncertain if Jr. ever rose to the rank > > of Minister. > > > > Have you in your files any primary source documents that irrefutably > > verify that Sr. was a PB minister and tell us to what level in the PB > > Church Jr. rose to? > > > > Good to hear from you again. > > > > At 12:26 PM 11/15/2008, Walter Goss wrote: > >>Dear Dennis, > >> > >>We've talked before. Possibly this is of interest. Joel Vincent Harvey, > >>Sr. (1764-1836) was a confirmed Revolutionary War Veteran. As you know, > >>it > >>is believed that his son, Joel Vincent Harvey, Jr. (1788-1871; who married > >>Mary Snow), who was an early Primitive Baptist Preacher to Kosciusko and > >>Attala County, is generally believed/reportedly buried in Attala County, > >>the > >>old cemetery location being an unknown/lost postal location (somewhere up > >>around Ethel--reportedly he died 30 Nov 1871 in the old Wells Community of > >>Attala Co., MS). His early ministry is documented here and there in early > >>Attala County papers and historical records. I believe his Revolutionary > >>War father (Joel, Sr.) is actually buried in south Mississippi, probably > >>in > >>Copiah or Lawrence County. Dudley William Harvey (1818-1900) married > >>Elizabeth "Betty" Locke, both being in my direct line and both are buried > >>at > >>Providence Primitive Baptist Church in northwest Attala County. "Dud" is > >>mentioned a time or two in the Jason Niles' Diary, as is his father, Joel. > >>Dudley was the son of Joel, Jr. Note the large number of related HARVEY > >>family members included in the early 1840 and 1841 Censuses for Attala. > >>At > >>any rate, this is an authentic Revolutionary War family line which had a > >>strong presence in Attala County. > >> > >>Best regards, > >> > >>Walter Goss > >>Montgomery, AL > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Dennis K. Boswell" <dennisb@mindspring.com> > >>To: <doug_36c@yahoo.com>; <msattala@rootsweb.com> > >>Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:03 AM > >>Subject: Re: [MSATTALA] Attala County Revolutionary War Vets > >> > >> > >> > Doug, I am aware that there are many sons and daughters of > >> > Revolutionary War soldiers, but was unaware that a genuine > >> > Revolutionary War Soldier was buried in Attala County. > >> > > >> > From my own review of the Attala County Cemetery Book, it would be > >> > my guess that yours may be the only Revolutionary War Soldier resting > >> > in Attala County. > >> > > >> > Who might that veteran be and in what cemetery does he rest? > >> > > >> > At 09:03 AM 11/15/2008, you wrote: > >> >>This has been posted before about about the Southern Campaign > >> >>American Revolutionary Pension statements. > >> >> > >> >>I only know of one Rev. War Veteran that's buried in Attala County. > >> >>No doubt there are others. > >> >> > >> >>Click on this site for the roster/pension statements: > >> >>http://southerncampaign.org/pen/index.htm > >> >> > >> >>Doug > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>------------------------------- > >> >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >>MSATTALA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > > >> > Dennis K. Boswell > >> > 13910 French Oaks > >> > Helotes, TX 78023 > >> > > >> > Telephone: (210) 447-7321 > >> > Email: dennisb@mindspring.com > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > MSATTALA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>MSATTALA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Regards, > > > > Dennis K. 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Hey Gigi, Happy to have you join in the conversation. The more, the better. Handwriting was often notoriously bad back in those days, just as we all know. Everything that I have personally seen appears to indicate the wife of Joel Vincent Harvey, Sr. was Nancy Amsi Clayton of Virginia. Her parents were reportedly John Willis Clayton and Mary Pettis, also originally of Virginia. Nancy Amsi Clayton reportedly died in Choctaw Co., MS. Still, the CLAYTON versus CLAYTOR (of New Hope Baptist Cemetery) comparison is most interesting. Unless there are written church records which identify the extent and names of the unknown gravesites, I don't know how we could possibly reconcile one way or the other. But clearly you have raised an interesting topic for further discussion. I do know that Joel Harvey was known to have preached some at Pilgrim's Rest Baptist Church at one point. Jasper Hickman Harvey was the son of Joel Vincent Harvey, Jr. According to my records, Joel, Sr., did not have a son named Jasper Harvey. However, to further confuse matters, Jasper Hickman Harvey did have a son named Jasper N. Harvey b. abt 1837 in MS who was married to Martha C. Bowles (see 1880 Northeast Attala Co., MS Census). Therefore, Jasper N. Harvey was the "grandson" of Joel Vincent Harvey, Jr. Accordingly, we have the following record according to the KOSCIUSKO-ATTALA HISTORY (by the Kosciusko-Attala Historical Society), p. 158: "He [Joel--"Joel N."??? or Joel V.?--"was in Attala County before 1840"], his son Jasper Harvey and his nephew Elder Louis [Lewis?] Harvey were early ministers to Oak Ridge Church. Jasper was also a coroner and Ranger." Based on the wording therein, this appears to be a possible reference to Joel, Jr., his son Jasper Hickman Harvey, and a nephew, Louis [Lewis?] Harvey. Again, please note the relevant ages--particularly Jasper N. Harvey, who was not born until about 1837 (reportedly b: 04 Apr 1837) and Joel, Sr., who died in 1836. Catherine Caty Harvey (b: abt 1800 in Kentucky, daughter of Joel, Sr., and sister of Joel, Jr.) and John Jack Harvey had a son named L. W. Harvey (L. G. W. Harvey, who married Sarah A. UNKNOWN) born about 1822 in Mississippi, presumably down in south Mississippi prior to the family's move to Attala County. Reportedly, Lewis G. W. Harvey was a Primitive Baptist minister and a physician who left Mississippi and was in Louisiana and then Liberty Co., TX (abt 1860) and then Angelina Co., TX, Erath and Mills Co., TX. Lewis G. W. Harvey was a brother to George Barnett Harvey of Christian Co., KY and later of Choctaw/Attala Co., MS by 1839. More from the KOSCIUSKO-ATTALA HISTORY: "Oak Ridge Primitive Baptist Church has had three buildings, with the third burning in 1939. Oak Ridge Christian Church was organized around 1924, and in 1939 was holding services in the former schoolhouse. Oak Ridge Cemetery is located at Oak Ridge Church today." I do hope that others can contribute further to this HARVEY family dialogue. And I certainly appreciate your input. I look forward to hearing more from those of the historic Attala Community. JEAN: Please tell me what you think. The COOK/COOKE family certainly fits into this particular family melting pot. As you know, Jasper Hickman Harvey was married to Kizziah Cook. The COOK/COOKE family roots clearly extend back to the south Mississippi family origins. This clearly fits with your recent COOK/COOKE family research: William Cooke, Samuel Cooke, etc. I hope that you all have a really great day! Best regards, Walter Goss Montgomery, AL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gigi Tanksley" <gigitanksley@msn.com> To: "MSATTALA" <msattala@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:34 AM Subject: Re: [MSATTALA] Attala County Revolutionary War Vets > > Hi All, > > I don't mean to get into your conversation really by my curiosity has been > aroused. In 2004 my husband and I cataloged the New Hope Baptist > Cemetery. This was after the tornadoes that swept thru this area in 1992 > throwing trees into the cemetery and destroying grave stones it even > damaged the church to the extent that all but the fellowship hall had to > be rebuilt. > > Your emails bring to mind a couple of questions I would like to ask. > > 1. The new Hope Cemetery was first mentioned as the burial place of Joel > Harvey Sr. a Revolutionary War Soldier. Is it possible that his wife's > surname was Claytor? As you are aware I am sure New Hope Baptist Cemetery > was originally the Claitor- Jamison Cemetery. Could the Bible entry say > Claytor not Clayton? There are two broken unidentified stones in the New > Hope Cemetery near the Claitor Family. > > 2. In the original cememtery there are 22 unmarked graves. Is there a > chance that Joel Sr. is buried there? Providence Cemetery is roughly 3 > Miles or so from New Hope. If Joel Jr. served as Minister in town at that > time is it possibe he later served Providence and was buried there. It > would certainly make sense for him to buried at his chuch at his passing > or maybe near his family at any rate. > > Just a couple of things that occured to me. > Have A Great Day, > > Gigi > > > > >> From: wwgoss@knology.net >> To: msattala@rootsweb.com >> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:47:22 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [MSATTALA] Attala County Revolutionary War Vets >> >> Dear Dennis, >> >> So good to hear from you, again. And thank you for sharing some >> additional >> information. I did not have the reference re HISTORY OF THE PRIMITIVE >> BAPTISTS OF MISSISSIPPI (1853) by Benjamin Griffin. I guess they should >> have a copy at the Mississippi College Library. I thank you for that. >> As >> you say, I've spent a lot of time thinking about and researching the >> HARVEY >> family line--particularly the various references to their Primitive >> Baptist >> ministry. I guess my chief observation is deductive in nature, i.e., >> Joel >> Vincent Harvey, Sr. died in 1836. This date is confirmed via the HARVEY >> FAMILY BIBLE, as follows: "Joe Harvey Senr: Husband of the above named >> Nancy Clayton was born 1764 died at the age of 72--" [i.e., 1836] and >> that >> point in time roughly appears to be the same timeframe when a number of >> the >> remaining younger HARVEY family members moved up from south Mississippi >> into >> Attala County following the Choctaw Cessions of 1833. According to >> Fannie >> Coleman's scrapbook: "Soon after the formation of the town [Kosciusko] >> in >> 1835, the Primitive Baptists, being quite numerous among the early >> settlers, >> organized and built a house of worship about one-half mile southeast of >> Kosciusko. Therefore, the early Attala County references to Joel Harvey, >> of >> which there are several, would almost certainly have to be references to >> Joel Vincent Harvey, Jr. (1788-1871), his father having been deceased by >> that point in time. One such reference source is THE HISTORY OF FIRST >> BAPTIST CHURCH KOSCIUSKO, MISSISSIPPI, 1848-1998, by Anne Hughes Porter, >> Church Historian, and the Church Sesquicentennial History Committee, pp. >> 20-21: "Again in 1854, it was removed . . . . Joel Harvey, a Primitive >> Baptist minister, sometimes preached in the courthouse, which was a small >> brick building. . . . In 1856, the church passed a resolution to make an >> effort to build a new meeting house at the old site near Kosciusko. Joel >> Harvey continued as pastor until 1847, when G. W. Burt was elected." It >> seems to me that these dates are fairly conclusive. What do you think? >> Seem reasonable to you? >> >> Dennis, is Johnny Boswell (son of Mims Boswell) your kin by any chance? >> I >> knew Johnny (and Mr. Mims) years ago back in Kosy. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Walter Goss >> Montgomey, AL (KHS Class of 1969) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dennis K. Boswell" <dennisb@mindspring.com> >> To: <msattala@rootsweb.com>; <msattala@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 7:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [MSATTALA] Attala County Revolutionary War Vets >> >> >> > Dear Walter, >> > >> > When you said in your note, ". . .it is believed that his son, Joel >> > Vincent Harvey, Jr. (1788-1871; who married >> > Mary Snow), who was an early Primitive Baptist Preacher to Kosciusko >> > and Attala County. . ." you reminded me that in my own Harvey >> > research, I also was uncertain if Joel Jr. "was an early Primitive >> > Baptist Preacher." The reason being that in the literature, the name >> > "Joel Harvey," in reference to a PB Preacher, appears many times >> > without either Sr. or Jr. appearing after it. >> > >> > I just looked over my paper Harvey files; the bibles, et al. and >> > could not find anything that pinned down whether Joel Jr. was a PB >> > minister. So, I turned to my copy of HISTORY OF THE PRIMITIVE >> > BAPTISTS OF MISSISSIPPI by Benjamin Griffin (of Holmes County, >> > Mississippi, published in 1853 and found nothing confirming that Joel >> > Harvey Jr. was a PB Minister, but many references to "J Harvey," >> > "Joel Harvey" as "brother" and "Elder" in the 1843, 1845 time frame, >> > but again, nothing to distinguish Sr. from Jr. >> > >> > Like you, Walter, I have always taken it as a given that Sr. was a PB >> > Minister, and have always been uncertain if Jr. ever rose to the rank >> > of Minister. >> > >> > Have you in your files any primary source documents that irrefutably >> > verify that Sr. was a PB minister and tell us to what level in the PB >> > Church Jr. rose to? >> > >> > Good to hear from you again. >> > >> > At 12:26 PM 11/15/2008, Walter Goss wrote: >> >>Dear Dennis, >> >> >> >>We've talked before. Possibly this is of interest. Joel Vincent >> >>Harvey, >> >>Sr. (1764-1836) was a confirmed Revolutionary War Veteran. As you >> >>know, >> >>it >> >>is believed that his son, Joel Vincent Harvey, Jr. (1788-1871; who >> >>married >> >>Mary Snow), who was an early Primitive Baptist Preacher to Kosciusko >> >>and >> >>Attala County, is generally believed/reportedly buried in Attala >> >>County, >> >>the >> >>old cemetery location being an unknown/lost postal location (somewhere >> >>up >> >>around Ethel--reportedly he died 30 Nov 1871 in the old Wells Community >> >>of >> >>Attala Co., MS). His early ministry is documented here and there in >> >>early >> >>Attala County papers and historical records. I believe his >> >>Revolutionary >> >>War father (Joel, Sr.) is actually buried in south Mississippi, >> >>probably >> >>in >> >>Copiah or Lawrence County. Dudley William Harvey (1818-1900) married >> >>Elizabeth "Betty" Locke, both being in my direct line and both are >> >>buried >> >>at >> >>Providence Primitive Baptist Church in northwest Attala County. "Dud" >> >>is >> >>mentioned a time or two in the Jason Niles' Diary, as is his father, >> >>Joel. >> >>Dudley was the son of Joel, Jr. Note the large number of related >> >>HARVEY >> >>family members included in the early 1840 and 1841 Censuses for Attala. >> >>At >> >>any rate, this is an authentic Revolutionary War family line which had >> >>a >> >>strong presence in Attala County. >> >> >> >>Best regards, >> >> >> >>Walter Goss >> >>Montgomery, AL >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>From: "Dennis K. Boswell" <dennisb@mindspring.com> >> >>To: <doug_36c@yahoo.com>; <msattala@rootsweb.com> >> >>Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:03 AM >> >>Subject: Re: [MSATTALA] Attala County Revolutionary War Vets >> >> >> >> >> >> > Doug, I am aware that there are many sons and daughters of >> >> > Revolutionary War soldiers, but was unaware that a genuine >> >> > Revolutionary War Soldier was buried in Attala County. >> >> > >> >> > From my own review of the Attala County Cemetery Book, it would be >> >> > my guess that yours may be the only Revolutionary War Soldier >> >> > resting >> >> > in Attala County. >> >> > >> >> > Who might that veteran be and in what cemetery does he rest? >> >> > >> >> > At 09:03 AM 11/15/2008, you wrote: >> >> >>This has been posted before about about the Southern Campaign >> >> >>American Revolutionary Pension statements. >> >> >> >> >> >>I only know of one Rev. War Veteran that's buried in Attala County. >> >> >>No doubt there are others. >> >> >> >> >> >>Click on this site for the roster/pension statements: >> >> >>http://southerncampaign.org/pen/index.htm >> >> >> >> >> >>Doug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >> >> >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> >>MSATTALA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >> >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > >> >> > Regards, >> >> > >> >> > Dennis K. 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