I have recently had to remove four names from the list of volunteers on the Look Up page for Attala County due to the fact that the volunteers changed their E-mail addresses without notifying me. Among the missing are: Connie Tucker Sharon Huband Glee Crocker Gay Wall It is possible that these individuals are no longer interested in providing this service to Attala County researchers, or perhaps they just forgot that I would need their new address. If any of the above individuals wishes to continue to be listed on the Look Up page, they should contact me with their new E-mail address. Everette Carr County Coordinator Attala County MSGenWeb

Personally, I think the writer of this petition had a point--that real genealogical research costs money and that it would be great if all records in state and federal archives could be put online--but the petition is going about the wrong way to try to change things. First of all, we need to remember that there are LOTS and LOTS of records contained in those archives. The archives were neither created nor staffed for genealogical research, and state archives are funded by taxes from state residents. They are doing US a favor in creating special rooms and hiring archivists to handle genealogical queries. Although high in some cases, fees for out-of-state researchers go toward paying the extra people the state has to hire to answer all of their genealogical correspondence. To expect the state to hire, train, and support a small army to digitize all of their records of genealogical value for posting to the Web or including on CDs is NOT going to be a big priority for state taxpayers. I know, it's not nice, but it's the truth. How about contacting local genalogical organizations in the states where you do a lot of research, asking them if they have any plans underway to digitize archive records, and offering to make a donation to the cause? It doesn't solve the money problem, but it could actually work. Kristi Brown

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Everett, Thank you and all of the others who came to my rescue. One other question, rather than "head" or "wife" or "son", each of these was listed as "other". Please tell me the microfilm lists them in the normal manner. I shall be much more cautious about LDS transcriptions in the future. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Everette Carr [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 3:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MSATTALA] 1880 Attala Census - Center Barbara, As Wanda Lentz indicated, the census image at Ancestry.com for page 44, Enumeration District 19 clearly shows that Susan Kellun and her family reside in Household # 351, Family #351. There is nothing unusual or unique about this family or this census page. Susan is shown as married, head of household and her occupation is listed as keeping house. With her are six children ranging in age from age one to age seventeen. Bailey (age 17) is listed as her stepson and then there is Isaac, John D., Texana, William and Martha. Martha is the last individual shown as living in household #351. It then proceeds to list additional households in the usual manner. The last page of District 19 shows the last household as #528 and the total inhabitants enumerated as 2,944. Barbara, the Family Search image, for some unknown reason, failed to list the household numbers that are clearly indicated on the image at ancestry.com. It would appear that you are attempting to lay claim to the inhabitants of the remaining 177 households. :-) Everette ----- Original Message ----- From: "btholmes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 7:34 PM Subject: RE: [MSATTALA] 1880 Attala Census - Center I think Everett's idea may be the best one. The ones that I know in this group were landowners. Barbara ==== MSATTALA Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe: send an email to [email protected]@rootsweb.com with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. For 'Digest Mode' send the unsubscribe message to [email protected]

Barbara, See message immediately below. As Bernice points out, Susan's husband is listed on the preceding page on the image she is viewing. But, she indicates that the household numbers are listed in a peculiar manner. Read her message and I will continue with a new explanation below that. Everette ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 11:04 AM Subject: Susan Kellum Unfortunately I deleted all the messages re Susan Kellum before I realized that I would need the correspondent & address to send my findings. I have handwritten all the Attala county censuses from microfilm that I purchased and this is what I found for the 1880 Attala Census regarding Susan Kellum(n). In the first place, Susan is the first name listed on page 44, but her husband, Caleb, is the last person listed on the previous page. I found no irregularity in the census as was mentioned by the correspondent. Caleb & Susan lived in household 351/351 with their 6 children. There is irregularity in the household numbers (the next household listed is 358, the next 359, 361, 362, 365, 372 etc.) and I don't know why that should be so, but that is what the microfilm shows. Perhaps the problem is in the version that the correspondent is using and human error has entered into the listing. My copy of the 1880 Attala County Census does not raise any questions. Bernice Carter * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I must correct something I stated earlier. I stated that their was nothing unusual about the census image at ancestry.com. On closer inspection, that was not the case. There is an asterisk along side HH #351. The notation at the top of the page indicates that these "enumerations were listed on the wrong page by mistake." Which is the explanation for everything. Bernice indicates that Caleb, Susan's husband was listed on the prior page. This was not true for the ancestry.com image. But, I took note that at ancestry page 43 ends with HH #387 and no Caleb. Page 45 begins with the balance of HH #387. I found Caleb Kellun listed on page 40 as being the head of household #351. At the bottom of this page is a notation by the enumerator to the effect that the balance of this family can be found on page 44. So, human error on the part of the enumerator caused this anomaly. I misspoke earlier when I proclaimed Susan as head of household because she is clearly shown as 'wife'. So the complete household (#351) includes Caleb Kellum, a white, male farmer born in Miss and whose parents were born in Miss; his wife, Susan, his son, Bailey and the children they share. It appears that in some instances presenters of the census images have tried to correct the problem and in others they did not. Everette

Barbara, As Wanda Lentz indicated, the census image at Ancestry.com for page 44, Enumeration District 19 clearly shows that Susan Kellun and her family reside in Household # 351, Family #351. There is nothing unusual or unique about this family or this census page. Susan is shown as married, head of household and her occupation is listed as keeping house. With her are six children ranging in age from age one to age seventeen. Bailey (age 17) is listed as her stepson and then there is Isaac, John D., Texana, William and Martha. Martha is the last individual shown as living in household #351. It then proceeds to list additional households in the usual manner. The last page of District 19 shows the last household as #528 and the total inhabitants enumerated as 2,944. Barbara, the Family Search image, for some unknown reason, failed to list the household numbers that are clearly indicated on the image at ancestry.com. It would appear that you are attempting to lay claim to the inhabitants of the remaining 177 households. :-) Everette ----- Original Message ----- From: "btholmes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 7:34 PM Subject: RE: [MSATTALA] 1880 Attala Census - Center I think Everett's idea may be the best one. The ones that I know in this group were landowners. Barbara

I've had some issues with the LDS transcription myself in other states and I thought I'd jump in. Wanda Lentz got the answer right. On the actual census, each family group has a clearly marked dwelling and family number, thereby separating them from the Kellun household. The inclusion of 1680 people in the Kellun household appears to be a coding error on the part of LDS. I have found two instances where, in Georgia, a militia district was named incorrectly in the LDS transcription. The people were there, but they did not appear to be in the correct geographic area. The lesson here is to use LDS 1800 census as a guide, but not the final answer. Paul -----Original Message----- From: btholmes [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 4:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MSATTALA] 1880 Attala Census - Center In the 1880 Attala Census for Center, approximately 1680 people are listed in the household of Susan Kellun. They seem to be in family groups. Can anyone explain this to me? Barbara ==== MSATTALA Mailing List ==== Have you visited the American Local History Network, Attala County web site yet? You can find it at http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ms/county/attala/

The name is Susan KelluN. Enumeration district is 19, Centre, Attala, Mississippi. Page number beginning 190D. NA Film Number T9-0641 Family History Library Film 1254641 -----Original Message----- From: bob gilbert [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 12:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MSATTALA] 1880 Attala Census - Center > > From: "btholmes" <[email protected]> > Subject: [MSATTALA] 1880 Attala Census > > In the 1880 Attala Census for Center, approximately 1680 people are listed >> in the household of Susan Kellun. They seem to be in family groups. Can >> anyone explain this to me? > > Barbara Would you mind reposting the census references? I deleted them by mistake. Thanks, bob gilbert ==== MSATTALA Mailing List ==== Have you visited the Attala Historical Society web site? The URL is http://www.rootsweb.com/~msahs/ Now would be a good time to support the Attala Historical Society!

I believe that Susan Kellun was the proprietor of the "poor house". This was the county welfare system of that time. Those staying in the poor house were families that were indigent or homeless for some reason. A lot of that going on after the Civil War. I may be wrong but that is what I had read somewhere previously. > > From: "btholmes" <[email protected]> > Date: 2004/06/13 Sun PM 05:52:20 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MSATTALA] 1880 Attala Census - Center > > > In the 1880 Attala Census for Center, approximately 1680 people are listed > in the household of Susan Kellun. They seem to be in family groups. Can > anyone explain this to me? > Barbara > > > ==== MSATTALA Mailing List ==== > Have you visited the American Local History Network, Attala County web site yet? You can find it at http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ms/county/attala/ > >

> > From: "btholmes" <[email protected]> > Subject: [MSATTALA] 1880 Attala Census > > In the 1880 Attala Census for Center, approximately 1680 people are listed >> in the household of Susan Kellun. They seem to be in family groups. Can >> anyone explain this to me? > > Barbara Would you mind reposting the census references? I deleted them by mistake. Thanks, bob gilbert

Page 190 D Beat 19 Susan Kellun is family # 351/351 the next household is 352/352 On the Ancestry.com the page is 44 of 61 in Beat 19, and the households are numbered. When I checked the familysearch.org on the this census it was listed under the head of household Susan Kellum. But on checking Ancestry.com census images the house holds are #. Wanda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Everette Carr" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [MSATTALA] 1880 Attala Census - Center > Barbara, > > It is certainly not likely that so many people lived in a single household. > The reference to 1680 people is likely the total count for the individuals > enumerated in a particular Enumeration District. > > However, I was unable to locate Susan Kellum in the 1880 census. Perhaps if > you could provide the Attala County researchers with the Enumeration > District, Page number and Household number where you found Susan, maybe > someone could be of assistance. > > Also, in what format (online?) are you viewing the census image? > > Everette Carr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "btholmes" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 5:52 PM > Subject: [MSATTALA] 1880 Attala Census - Center > > > > In the 1880 Attala Census for Center, approximately 1680 people are listed > in the household of Susan Kellun. They seem to be in family groups. Can > anyone explain this to me? > Barbara > > > > > ==== MSATTALA Mailing List ==== > Before forwarding any Virus Warnings or Chain Letters to anyone, check them out at: http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/ > Please Visit the Attala County Rootsweb site at <http://www.rootsweb.com/~msattala> > >

Barbara, It is certainly not likely that so many people lived in a single household. The reference to 1680 people is likely the total count for the individuals enumerated in a particular Enumeration District. However, I was unable to locate Susan Kellum in the 1880 census. Perhaps if you could provide the Attala County researchers with the Enumeration District, Page number and Household number where you found Susan, maybe someone could be of assistance. Also, in what format (online?) are you viewing the census image? Everette Carr ----- Original Message ----- From: "btholmes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 5:52 PM Subject: [MSATTALA] 1880 Attala Census - Center In the 1880 Attala Census for Center, approximately 1680 people are listed in the household of Susan Kellun. They seem to be in family groups. Can anyone explain this to me? Barbara

I think Everett's idea may be the best one. The ones that I know in this group were landowners. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: bob gilbert [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 6:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MSATTALA] 1880 Attala Census - Center At 16:52 -0500 13/06/04, btholmes wrote: >In the 1880 Attala Census for Center, approximately 1680 people are listed >in the household of Susan Kellun. They seem to be in family groups. Can >anyone explain this to me? >Barbara I would be very interested in an explanation. I have looked at the actual census rolls at the Regional Archives in Ft. Worth Tx and it is as you describe. I have no idea why it should be, unless she employed all those folks in some way, something like a big lumber camp with transit workers living in community housing? The name Center might imply some sort of center, I've wondered about the name as the location certainly wasn't in the Center of Attala. bob gilbert ==== MSATTALA Mailing List ==== Be sure to visit the Attala County Genealogy (MSGenWeb) web site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~msattala/

At 16:52 -0500 13/06/04, btholmes wrote: >In the 1880 Attala Census for Center, approximately 1680 people are listed >in the household of Susan Kellun. They seem to be in family groups. Can >anyone explain this to me? >Barbara I would be very interested in an explanation. I have looked at the actual census rolls at the Regional Archives in Ft. Worth Tx and it is as you describe. I have no idea why it should be, unless she employed all those folks in some way, something like a big lumber camp with transit workers living in community housing? The name Center might imply some sort of center, I've wondered about the name as the location certainly wasn't in the Center of Attala. bob gilbert

The name is Susan KelluN. Enumeration district is 19, Centre, Attala, Mississippi. Page number beginning 190D. NA Film Number T9-0641 Family History Library Film 1254641 I am looking at the familysearch.org site now, but I have previously looked at the microfilm. I had started copying from the microfilm until I realized how long it was. I will certainly appreciate any thoughts on this. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Everette Carr [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 5:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MSATTALA] 1880 Attala Census - Center Barbara, It is certainly not likely that so many people lived in a single household. The reference to 1680 people is likely the total count for the individuals enumerated in a particular Enumeration District. However, I was unable to locate Susan Kellum in the 1880 census. Perhaps if you could provide the Attala County researchers with the Enumeration District, Page number and Household number where you found Susan, maybe someone could be of assistance. Also, in what format (online?) are you viewing the census image? Everette Carr ----- Original Message ----- From: "btholmes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 5:52 PM Subject: [MSATTALA] 1880 Attala Census - Center In the 1880 Attala Census for Center, approximately 1680 people are listed in the household of Susan Kellun. They seem to be in family groups. Can anyone explain this to me? Barbara ==== MSATTALA Mailing List ==== Before forwarding any Virus Warnings or Chain Letters to anyone, check them out at: http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/ Please Visit the Attala County Rootsweb site at <http://www.rootsweb.com/~msattala>

In the 1880 Attala Census for Center, approximately 1680 people are listed in the household of Susan Kellun. They seem to be in family groups. Can anyone explain this to me? Barbara

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Thanks for the tips......... Doug

Doug, Did you check the later census records for a different spelling, like "Massy" or "Massie"? Those are possibilities, since the census takers spelled phonetically (spelled by sound). Mozelle On Wednesday, June 9, 2004, at 08:26 AM, dougnalice wrote: > As a followup/addition to the below msg request, these "Massey's" were > found while searching the 1870 Attala County Census: > > Massey house-wholes found in the 1870 Attala County, MS census: > > Massey, Benson, age 19 is found in the house-whole of Wilbert Pope and > was listed as a stepson. > > Massey, C. A., age 48, farmer > " , Martha A., age 22 > " , Alson D., age 17 > " , Mary P., age 11 > " , Joseph W., age 09 > > Massey, Wm J., age 28, farmer > " , Mary, age 35 > " , Thomas J., age 05 > " , Benj., age 03 > > Massey, Thomas, age 17, farmer > " , George, age 104 (Verified the entry as 104.) > " , Cludie, age 13 > > Massey, Nancy, age 52, keeping house > > Massey, Ford, age 24 > " , Tabitha, age 25 > > Massey, Thomas, age 20, farmer > " , Deela > > Massey, Jno. H., age 26, farmer > " , Nancy, age 20 > " , Letha, age 02 > " , Sephonia, age 10/12 > > Massey, Wm., age 23 > " , Victoria, age 19 > " , John R., age 6/12 > > John A. Massey, Private Company K, 40th MS Infantry, CSA. > > I am trying to locate Amanda Eastis, born in 1843 married Jonathan A. > Massey in Jefferson County, AL.. They migated to MS afterwards and > were found in Attala County during the 1860 census. I was unable to > find them in the 1870 and later Attala County census. > > Any help sincerely appreciated......... > > Doug > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger > > > ==== MSATTALA Mailing List ==== > Have you visited the American Local History Network, Attala County web > site yet? You can find it at > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ms/county/attala/ > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger > > > ==== MSATTALA Mailing List ==== > The American Local History Network, Attala County web site can be > found at http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ms/county/attala/. Its well > worth a visit. >

As a followup/addition to the below msg request, these "Massey's" were found while searching the 1870 Attala County Census: Massey house-wholes found in the 1870 Attala County, MS census: Massey, Benson, age 19 is found in the house-whole of Wilbert Pope and was listed as a stepson. Massey, C. A., age 48, farmer " , Martha A., age 22 " , Alson D., age 17 " , Mary P., age 11 " , Joseph W., age 09 Massey, Wm J., age 28, farmer " , Mary, age 35 " , Thomas J., age 05 " , Benj., age 03 Massey, Thomas, age 17, farmer " , George, age 104 (Verified the entry as 104.) " , Cludie, age 13 Massey, Nancy, age 52, keeping house Massey, Ford, age 24 " , Tabitha, age 25 Massey, Thomas, age 20, farmer " , Deela Massey, Jno. H., age 26, farmer " , Nancy, age 20 " , Letha, age 02 " , Sephonia, age 10/12 Massey, Wm., age 23 " , Victoria, age 19 " , John R., age 6/12 John A. Massey, Private Company K, 40th MS Infantry, CSA. I am trying to locate Amanda Eastis, born in 1843 married Jonathan A. Massey in Jefferson County, AL.. They migated to MS afterwards and were found in Attala County during the 1860 census. I was unable to find them in the 1870 and later Attala County census. Any help sincerely appreciated......... Doug --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger ==== MSATTALA Mailing List ==== Have you visited the American Local History Network, Attala County web site yet? You can find it at http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ms/county/attala/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger