Gina and others... Y'know, I get so aggervated when companies change their services and stuff...I mean, I know they got the right, and that if I was really on top of things, I'd be checking the websites on at least a weekly basis to make sure links are all working, and fixing them if I can. However...most of the time, if a link isn't working, it's because the server that hosts the website is down for whatever reason...and you go back a few hours or days later, and it works. If it continues to NOT work, the reason is usually because a URL was changed, for whatever reason. So you delete the last part of the URL you have until you get to the website; meaning, if you delete the stuff between the last 2 "/whatever_is_here/" you can often get some idea of what's happened. In this case (and the link is fixed at "Rags, Scraps, and Patches" now), Woodmen of the World apparently is no longer offering member lookups via the Internet. I went through their whole website, and while interesting, couldn't find where you could request information on a long-dead ancestor. So you'll have to do it the old-fashioned way, and contact a local representative to see what kind of forms, etc., to fill out and send in. I imagine they offered the service via the Internet, not realizing that genealogy is the nation's 3rd most popular hobby, and simply got inundated. I know I sent in a request, and never got a response. You can go to http://www.woodmen.com/ and check out information on the organization's history, etc. There's even a place about their gravestones. Vonda ListMom for MOTaney and MO-AR-WRV http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~moarwrv/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gregvonda/