Wanda, I would like to know who all the members of the notorious Cook gang were... Also, I have in my family tree a John Gately Griggs marrying Elizabeth Cook.....would this be some of your kin also??? ----- Original Message ----- From: Grnd5@aol.com Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 8:23 PM To: MOTANEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MOTANEY] Cook Hollow Mike I have tried to get to the map of Cook Hollow We just got back from Missouri, spent a week down in the area and found the Cook Hollow, had a wonderful time Thanks in advance Wanda (Cook) King grnd5@aol.com ==== MOTANEY Mailing List ==== "An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come."--Victor Hugo ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

My dad died Wednesday, October 16th, 2002, after a two week illness. This is something I started on this summer, but he never got to see it. I hope it comes through somewhat in the right format. He was born in Joplin, in 1929, with Roots in Taney Co., and the White River Valley area too. This is for Bill LeRoy Johnston, 1929 to 2002. Daddy's Hands When Daddy held my hand, The world was safe. Cars couldn't hit me; Forests weren't ever scary; Bullies couldn't hurt me; Needles weren't so frightening; And life was good. When Daddy held my hand, We'd walk in the woods. I'd be 'Little Running Deer,' While he was 'Walking Deer,' And we'd have 'ventures. A flower, or a bird, an acorn, Or even a puddle All became lovely wonders For little boys And daddies too, And life was full of joy. When Daddy held my hand, We'd go on errands too. Hardware stores were An endless fascination And we'd find treasures there. The stationary store had bins, With smells of inks and paper, Which made me think of Daddy, Working away all day, With all those sights and sounds That he'd come home And tell us all about, And life was good. When Daddy held my hand, We'd go to church. I'd sing in the choir And light the candles, While he would watch and smile. I learned the stories and the promises That his daddy once taught him. Big Brother and I, together, Learned that God is always with us, And life was full of hope. When Daddy held my hand After I couldn't catch a ball, Kept falling down the stairs, Off curbs and things like that; He and Mother took me back to Oklahoma, Where they operated on my eye, Saving me from total darkness. They gave me strength to Work and exercise that lazy eye, To make it strong again, But they let me peek , Out from behind the patch, The only time I cheated, For they told me how I mustn't, When the men walked on the moon, And life was renewed. When Daddy held my hand, He always held Lynn's too. When Big Brother went to school And I was still at home, The love was always equal. Each of his boys' differences Were overwhelmed by strengths - Not weaknesses. Lazy eyes learned how to share words, While the one who longed to read, Could shine in so many other fashions, Guided on so many paths That the two almost became one; Even graduating together, The first to ever do so of their kind, With hands held tightly, Heads up high, Tears of joy, and family all around, And life was whole. When Daddy held my hand, And tried to teach me how to drive, I was too grown up to hold on. Algebra was just a foreign thing I wouldn't try to understand. A teenager knows everything, And thinks fathers aren't so smart, And life was so much lonelier, While we were grown apart. When Daddy held my hand, And sent me off to college, It felt all right to go. I went away to Oklahoma, For he had been there too, But he wasn't with me. I felt lost and oh so lonely, Until he came to see me, But he had to go back home. I didn't do so well there. I was too young to know, That just because he wasn't There to hold my hand, I would be fine, And life was such a vale of sadness, Eleven hundred miles across. When Daddy held my hand, I graduated And came to Arizona, Where he helped me Find my way again, Even when I didn't want to try. I searched the whole world over, But came back home to stay. I became a teacher Just like he had done, To gather strength from young folks Sharing knowledge every day, And life was fun again. When Daddy held my hand, The very last and final time, He mouthed the words, "I love you!" I said I never doubted, All the years of love, And begged him to fight whatever Took him too soon from us. But those trombone player's lungs Just couldn't win that fight. He taught us all that life goes on, And we will be okay, Because Daddy's hands will really Always hold our hearts, 'Till we see him In those Halls of Glory, >From whence we'll never part, And life will be forever Although for now It breaks our hearts. Gerald Hankins Johnston October 18th, 2002

Can anyone on this list help me with the history of a cemetery? I believe my ancestors (Daniel and Sarah BAIN) were buried in a cemetery in Taney Co., near what was the town of Oasis. Daniel died in 1906. My understanding was that the town was flooded by the lake in the 1950s and that the cemetery was moved up on to a hill nearby along the highway. I was there (Cedar Valley) years ago and found Daniel's headstone, but I have been unable to locate the grave of his wife, Sarah, who died several years later and was rumored to have also been buried in this cemetery. I am not sure whether something happened to her stone through the years, or whether she maybe wasn't even buried there to begin with. Death certificate data has proven uninformative. So, I guess my question ultimately is, who would have the original sexton's records for a cemetery that got dug up and moved??? Thanks for your thoughts, Chris Tulsa, OK

Descendants of James Raines Generation No. 1 1. JAMES2 RAINES (UNKNOWN1) was born 1793 in South Carolina, and died 1871 in Walker Co ala. He married (1) MILLIA BARTON October 06, 1818 in Lawarence Co., Ala., daughter of MOSES BARTON and FANNY BLACK. She was born 1803 in North Carolina, and died 1843 in Walker Co. Ala.. He married (2) SUSAN 1850 in Walker Co. Ala.. Children of JAMES RAINES and MILLIA BARTON are: 2. i. WILLIAM BAILEY3 RAINES, b. 1819, Alabama; d. 1881, Taney Co mo. ii. FRANCIS RAINES, b. 1820; m. BYRD COLE. iii. MILLIA RAINES. iv. MASSA J. RAINES, m. JAMES MULLINS. v. REBECCA RAINES, m. ISIAH WILLIAMS. vi. MARGART ANNE RAINES, m. WILLIAM WASHINGTON ABBOTT. 3. vii. HIRAM RAINES, b. Walker Co ala. viii. JAMES RAINES, m. SARAH BEST. ix. ALLEN RAINES, m. LUCINDA ROBBINS. Children of JAMES RAINES and SUSAN are: x. LUCINDA3 RAINES, m. WILLIAM BEST. xi. SYNTHIA RAINES, m. ROBERT WILLIAMS. xii. SYLVANIA RAINES, m. JOHN NEWTON PATE. Generation No. 2 2. WILLIAM BAILEY3 RAINES (JAMES2, UNKNOWN1) was born 1819 in Alabama, and died 1881 in Taney Co mo. He married ELIZABETH K. KENNYMORE 1841 in Walker Co. Ala.. She was born 1815 in Tenn., and died 1873 in Boone Co ark. Children of WILLIAM RAINES and ELIZABETH KENNYMORE are: 4. i. MARY ELIZABETH4 RAINES, b. 1843, Jefferson Co. Ala.; d. 1889, Boone Co. Ark. 5. ii. RISPA FRANCIAS RAINES, d. 1871, Boone Co., Ark.. iii. MILLY SAMANTHA RAINES, b. 1846; d. 1891, Stone Co. Ark.; m. STEVEN LOGGAINS. iv. PRISCILLA PAMELLA RAINES, d. 1899, Fort Gibson, Okla; m. JOHN W. HASKINS. v. JAMES WILLIAM RAINES, b. 1851; d. Freck, ark. Marion Co.; m. HANNAH SARAH LOGGAINS. 6. vi. ROBERT BAILEY RAINES, b. Walker Co ala; d. 1871, Taney Co. Mo.. 7. vii. JOHN ALLEN RAINES, b. 1854, Walker Co ala; d. March 09, 1930, keokuk okla. 3. HIRAM3 RAINES (JAMES2, UNKNOWN1) was born in Walker Co ala. He married (1) ASENTH ADELINE ABBOTT. He married (2) PHOEBE A. 1844 in Walker Co ala. She died 1867 in Walker Co ala. Children of HIRAM RAINES and ASENTH ABBOTT are: i. HIRAM HOWELL4 RAINES. ii. MARY J. RAINES. Children of HIRAM RAINES and PHOEBE A. are: iii. JAMES4 RAINES, b. 1845. iv. GEORGE RAINES, b. 1848. v. NEWTON RAINES, b. 1866. Generation No. 3 4. MARY ELIZABETH4 RAINES (WILLIAM BAILEY3, JAMES2, UNKNOWN1) was born 1843 in Jefferson Co. Ala., and died 1889 in Boone Co. Ark. She married (1) GEORGE W. HASKINS. She married (2) CHRISTOPHER LOGGAINS 1866 in Walker Co. Ala.. He died in Red River Co Texas. Children of MARY RAINES and CHRISTOPHER LOGGAINS are: i. CHRISTOPHER COLOMBUS5 LOGGAINS, m. (1) SOPHENA BURT; m. (2) IZORA TYLER BANNINGS. ii. SARAH ELIZABETH PRECILLA LOGGAINS, d. 1879, Boone Co ark. 5. RISPA FRANCIAS4 RAINES (WILLIAM BAILEY3, JAMES2, UNKNOWN1) died 1871 in Boone Co., Ark.. She married CARROLL LOGGAINS. Child of RISPA RAINES and CARROLL LOGGAINS is: i. INFANT5 LOGGAINS, b. 1871. 6. ROBERT BAILEY4 RAINES (WILLIAM BAILEY3, JAMES2, UNKNOWN1) was born in Walker Co ala, and died 1871 in Taney Co. Mo.. He married LOUISA JANE HASKINS. Children of ROBERT RAINES and LOUISA HASKINS are: i. FRANCIS ADELINE5 RAINES. ii. MANERVA ALICE RAINES. 7. JOHN ALLEN4 RAINES (WILLIAM BAILEY3, JAMES2, UNKNOWN1) was born 1854 in Walker Co ala, and died March 09, 1930 in keokuk okla. He married MARY ELIZABETH BLY 1893 in boone co ark, daughter of JAMES BLY and JANE BRITTAIN. She was born 1860 in mercer co mo, and died May 1912 in Boone Co ark. Children of JOHN RAINES and MARY BLY are: i. JOHN ALLEN5 RAINES. ii. ROBERT COLOMBUS. iii. JAMES MUNROE RAINES. iv. PAUL ELI MARVIN RAINES. v. MARY LILLIE MAE RAINES. vi. SAMANTHA VIOLA RAINES. vii. FRANCIS MODEILA RAINES. viii. ANNIE RAINES.

I finally found the parents to Jefferson C. Weaver in the Scott County AR 1850 census. His brothers John B. Weaver and Hiram M. Weaver are there also. My Weaver's, Jefferson, John B. and Hiram M. were living in Taney County in 1870 and 1880. Now I'm researching Jefferson C. Weavers parents. William Weaver TN b. abt 1825 Elizabeth Weaver TN b. abt. 1828 If anyone can find them in MO let me know. It appears they traveled back and forth between Taney County MO and Scott County AR. Thanks Bill

Mike I have tried to get to the map of Cook Hollow We just got back from Missouri, spent a week down in the area and found the Cook Hollow, had a wonderful time Thanks in advance Wanda (Cook) King grnd5@aol.com

Hello! "White River Valley Gathering" was held at Shadow Rock Park last Saturday, 12 Oct. The event, a combination of the Bald Knobber Reenactment "The League: Taney County Justice", and a pow-wow co-hosted by the White River Band Cherokee, was well-attended, although not the numbers we expected. Unfortunately, other area events apparently kept most local members of the historical society from supporting us with their help or presence. I could count on one hand the number of members who attended who weren't directly involved with the play. I am truly encouraged to know that all of you on these lists are supportive of our group's effort to preserve the history and culture of the White River Valley. You seem to understand there's more to genealogy than tracing ancestors--in order to know them, you have to know something about their lives, and that's what we try to preserve, one way or another. If I sound a little mad...I am. If it seems I've lost a little faith...well, I have. If I come across as a little tired...I'm that, too. We worked to put on the play, not once, but twice this year; and if we do put it on again this spring, that'll be the third time in 12 months we'll have done it (the spring 2002 performance was postponed 9 days prior, due to flooding of Shadow Rock Park). I've been so impressed with my partners Rick and Ingrid; the support of my family--when you see the full cast photo (I'll put it on the WRVHS website someday soon), you'll see my husband, 2 sons, daughter, father, and father-in-law, and at least one cousin, all in costume, as well as myself (yes, I actually pulled off the hard role of Alonzo Prather's--played by Greg--wife, Ada Marie). My whole family, and the families of several cast members, have done incredible jobs in their roles and as backup/support. Rick not only directed the reenactment, but performed in the pre-show skit and 2 roles in the reenactment; he also performed the duties of extra, horserider, stage manager, cleanup crew, set builder and all-around-morale builder as well. He impresses me more every time we do this, gluttons for punishment that we all are. Rick was sick with a bug a little over a week before the play, but he decided he was only going to be sick for one day. Ingrid, bless her heart, was sick with the bug as well, but it really waylaid her. Once she arrived at the park for set-up on Friday, she felt better, and as things progressed through the weekend--she, Rick, and my family camped in the park on Friday night--she got to feeling better. Ingrid performed a wickedly comedic role in the pre-show skit, and ran things on the north end of the stage during the play. Her son Matt also performed in the play, in at least 2 roles. Jo Stacey "Aunt Jo" Albers, the president of the historical society and Ingrid's mother, was there all day Friday and Saturday, helping with set-up and opening the jail for visitors. She also came over on Sunday to be sure things were tidied up. The Cherokee had a wonderful pow-wow, with a stomp taking place after darkness fell until a storm was headed our way Saturday evening. Our bunch threw all of our camp stuff into Ingrid and Greg's vans, my "Mountain Chivy", and Rick's truck, and piled into the Old Jail. The storm front left temps down in the 30s for the first time this season, and now I can say I've "spent the night in jail with my family and friends." I was really glad so much effort had gone into renovating the upstairs at the jail--we were quite comfortable in the old building, which would be the safest place to be within the county in the event of tornado or holocaust. This event probably should've been our largest ever, and with the amount of heart and work put into it, it was. We did end up collecting enough in donations to cover the sound and other expenses, which was a huge relief. Let me tell you a few cast stories. One of our guys whose family has become quite involved not only borrowed a horse, but the trailer to haul it in. Then he stopped to "catch" the donkey who joined us last year (and who seems to bray on cue, but no one's had to cue him yet), put out a sign for us, and proceeded to play tug-of-war with any kid who wanted to join him. He and his family stuck around to help with cleanup. His wife not only stepped into a speaking role this year, but handled quite a few details back stage with rounding up her "children" for her appearance in the play. Both of their daughters and their son also performed; their oldest daughter is becoming quite an actress. Another woman, who drives over from Stone County for rehearsals and more, not only found a costume connection for us, but continues to pick up odds and ends throughout the year she thinks we can use. Her twin boys were going to be in the play, but had an important football game (seems they are the defense! <BG>), so she arranged for a friend to transport them Saturday. She stayed late Friday night helping get the "dummies" for the hanging scene put back together, and has been absolutely great. Another man and his wife had a baby girl in early September. Amid other issues going on in the area, the wife has had health problems since their daughter's birth, but managed to get well in time to perform in the pre-show skit role we'd originally written for her last spring--while she was pregnant! One couple who lives near the park loans us their old Suburban and car-hauling trailer, many of the period furnishings out of their house, and fills in several roles onstage as well as off. Another couple designed and built the original backdrop last year, and he returned this year to not just one, but two roles in the play. My own family..."Wow!" doesn't begin to cover it. Greg has a wonderful speaking voice, and did so well as Alonzo--the narrator, if you will. Brett, who stepped into the role we'd split for the twins I mentioned earlier, received all kinds of kudos as comic relief. TJ, who wouldn't agree to be in the play unless he could carry a gun, got to carry 2 (unloaded for his mother's benefit), and was the shortest Bald Knobber onstage. Victoria, who didn't want a role, still wore a costume, and filled in as an extra. All three of my kids who still live at home were exceptionally well-behaved Saturday--I could be producer, canopy-builder, troubleshooter, Ada Marie, and whatever else needed doing until we went over to eat at the Pow-wow about 5:30, and the kids all pitched in to help with clean-up some, too. (I also didn't have to badger any of them to take showers in the camp showers, either--they did it without being asked! Maybe I should put one in the back yard?) My dad, who I sucker-punched into the first production last year, not only returned, but built a wagon-chassis for the "casket" used to carry Nat Kinney offstage, raiding his pile of "vintage tin" for the real wagon wheels. He stuck around until late Saturday, making sure to eat with the rest of us and that we did all the things we were supposed to do. (Onery ol' cuss, he hid a rubber rattlesnake in the straw bales on Friday night--I found it, and startled him by throwing it at him!) Greg's stepdad also returned in his signature role, smooth and menacing. There's other stories, but I'll stop for now...every time this group of people gets together, their devotion, helpfulness, and loyalty has made me realize just how lucky we are to live in this area. I sure wish all of you could come. Damon did film the play for his documentary, and we're hoping between that and some of the other filming done, we'll be able to put together a video someday as well. It would be nice. Y'all have a good weekend! V ListMom for MO-AR-WRV http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~moarwrv/

Dear Friends, Jerry Johnston's father passed away in Scottsdale, AZ, on Wed, 16 Oct 2002. He had been hospitalized for more than 2 weeks with a sudden severe lung infection. As most of you know, Jerry's mother has been fighting cancer since last winter, and an already traumatic time for his family has gotten worse. Please keep Jerry and his family in your thoughts and prayers. V ListMom for MO-AR-WRV http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~moarwrv/

Would you know what hours they are open????Thanks caroljane -----Original Message----- From: Dolores W Sutton <drainessutton@juno.com> To: MOTANEY-L@rootsweb.com <MOTANEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, October 14, 2002 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [MOTANEY] Re: MOTANEY-D Digest V02 #197 > Hi Have you been to the Library at school of the ozarks? i have did a >lot of research there . yrs ago they had a good collection. even then. >they had old taney co newspapers too. > >Dolores Raines/Sutton >drainessutton@juno.com > > >==== MOTANEY Mailing List ==== >"Don't worry about people stealing an idea. If it's original, you will have to ram it down their throats."--Howard Aiken > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

1900 Beaver Twp, Taney Co. MO #196 Could someone lookup this census up for me and give me the info on Joseph and his family? Does it give his middle name? Thanks, Bill

This is a follow-up to my recent post about needed access to Vital Records. The problem is not that the vital records cannot be accessed; they can. For a fee, the staff at the Department of Health will search for a record. If they find it, they will send a copy. Too often the response is that they found no record. I sought birth and death data re my aunt, who died before her brother, my father, was born. He told me that her given name was Mildred. I sent my money for searches and was advised that no records were found. I found her baptismal record by a different given name. It happens that the relevant records in this case were not held by the Mo. Dept. of Health, and I was able to review the hand-written birth and death records. I found her birth record by a third given name, but, by the time she died, she was indeed Mildred. A staff simply cannot locate a record under such circumstances. A researcher can, but depends on access to the data. My grandmother's maiden name was very difficult to spell. I knew the ship and arrival date of her aunt (same surname). It took me three times thru a transcription of the ship list to recognize her thoroughly-butchered name. Of course, I could not find her name in the index. I never did find her sister who was with her. My name is Doerr; in an old list, it is spelled 'Ter'. Only by searching the original records, or microforms thereof, can one find the needed data in such cases. (I guess I now have an idea as to how my ancestors pronounced our name.) The researcher has patience and incentive to find the data; any staff must depend on their imperfect indexes and the Health Department has incentive to send a 'no find' letter. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Please see http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/state.htm

Joyce is your Hankins family from Keesee Mills? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Longley" <dana1@avalon.net> To: <MOTANEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 12:05 AM Subject: [MOTANEY] Re: MOTANEY-D Digest V02 #197 > > > > Hi Pat, > > Your best connection might be White River Historical Society, P. > > O. Box 555, Point Lookout, Mo. 65726. I go through Hollister, Mo. > > almost every day, so if I can make a connection for you there I > > would be more than happy to do so. It's a very neat town. > > > > Joyce Hankins Lindsey > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Fw: Hollister Historical society > > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 08:04:06 -0500 > > From: d11405@juno.com > > To: MOTANEY-D@rootsweb.com > > > > Hi List, > > > > I have recently received a copy of a picture of the Hollister fire > > department in 1943-44 of which my father is a member. Several of the men > > we have put names with and I am wondering if there is a Historical > > society in Hollister to whom I could send a copy of the picture for > > further identification? I would love to hear from any one who can help us > > identify these men. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Pat Davis > > > ==== MOTANEY Mailing List ==== > "Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. Those who can't remember the past are condemned to repeat it."--George Santayana > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Might you have Missouri material that could be published in the Misosuri State Genealogical Association Journal? Please see: http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/MoSGA.htm Bob Doerr ----- Original Message ----- From: Jmwtlw@aol.com To: MOTANEY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 6:42 AM Subject: [MOTANEY] Re: MOTANEY-D Digest V02 #200 I know it has been going around about indexes and other things. In my possesion is the Mincy Church records that were from the 1800's. If your family member was in this church please let me know. I have a copy of the original document and can look them up if so desired. I am also in the process of working on collections and publishing them to the internet for all to be able to access. This is a free work. Right now I have very little information in MIssouri, I have a good amount in Arkansas and a little in Tennessee. RIght now we have a church minute publication on the net for Crooked Creek Baptist church which was in Boone Co Arkansas. I found my ancestors moved from Taney to Boone Co....maybe this happened with others too. My website is http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jmwtlw/ I am also working with Shiloh museum in the hopes that we can look at the War Eagle Association. There were several churches in the Boone Co arkansas area that was a member of that association as well as churches on the line of Missouri and Arkansas. If you have a web site you would like linked on our web site just send me a note and I will add it for you. The site is comprised of many genealogists. We don't charge for it we just want to make avaiable what we have. Tonya Williams ==== MOTANEY Mailing List ==== "Life here is not just where we're going, but where we come from."--Dick Solomon, "3rd Rock from the Sun" ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I know it has been going around about indexes and other things. In my possesion is the Mincy Church records that were from the 1800's. If your family member was in this church please let me know. I have a copy of the original document and can look them up if so desired. I am also in the process of working on collections and publishing them to the internet for all to be able to access. This is a free work. Right now I have very little information in MIssouri, I have a good amount in Arkansas and a little in Tennessee. RIght now we have a church minute publication on the net for Crooked Creek Baptist church which was in Boone Co Arkansas. I found my ancestors moved from Taney to Boone Co....maybe this happened with others too. My website is http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jmwtlw/ I am also working with Shiloh museum in the hopes that we can look at the War Eagle Association. There were several churches in the Boone Co arkansas area that was a member of that association as well as churches on the line of Missouri and Arkansas. If you have a web site you would like linked on our web site just send me a note and I will add it for you. The site is comprised of many genealogists. We don't charge for it we just want to make avaiable what we have. Tonya Williams

Records at risk A number of kinds of records that are of value for family historians are often at risk because only the originals exist. Thus, they are at risk of discard as old and value-less, or of fire, storm, mold, age-related deterioration or vandalism. These include mainly school records (teachers daily records that show the names of the pupils, often their parents or guardians), bible records, sexton's records, mortuary records and church records. You may know of others. Some business records are also valuable, if only indirectly. (Fortunately, in Missouri, most courthouse records have been microfilmed, but it pays to check with the officials to be sure.) There are several ways to reduce the risk of loss of these records. These include photocopying, microfilming (with the negatives stored safely, at the LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City or at the State Archives), photography, copying to CD or DVD, and publication in a well-distributed and well-indexed organ. By well-indexed, I mean both name-indexed within the organ and, for periodicals, indexed in Periodical Source Index (PERSI). For the present, a procedure of both publication and filming on silver (not color) film provides the most security. That way, both an image of the original and an indexed transcription is preserved. Digital recording media change so often that the records may become unavailable when the system for reading the media become obsolete and are discarded. This is to urge all those interested in family history to search for such records and to see to the protection of all those found. If you cannot make the rounds of your local courthouses and historical societies and museums, please call around, and use mail or e-mail. Judgment is needed as to where to publish. Church, school, sexton's and mortuary records are best published in a local magazine if it is indexed in PERSI. Bible records, which, by the way, do not lend themselves to microfilming, are best published in a magazine that covers the area in which the family lived, or in a magazine of regional or state-wide coverage if the family extends beyond, say, a county. I offer publication of good transcriptions in the Missouri State Genealogical Association Journal. The Journal is widely distributed, has a good annual index, and is indexed in PERSI. I can work from good photocopies or scans of the originals. There is, of course, no charge for publishing in the Journal, and submitters receive a copy of each issue in which their work appears. If a record collection is too large for publication in the Journal, I can probably help arrange for publication in book form. Bob Doerr, Editor, Missouri State Genealogical Association Journal Please see http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/state.htm

Access to Records In 1910, the State of Missouri assumed the responsibility for keeping vital records. The records were kept confidential, as was proper, at least for birth records. However, some of the records are now 90 years old; it is time to place microfilms of all the birth records, with indexes, that are older than 72 years, and all of the death and other records, into the State Archives for full public access. Efforts have been made in the legislature, but the Department of Health obfuscates. The Department proposes to place on line images of the birth records 90 years or older and death records 50 years or older. That will be fine, but it is not enough. This is to urge that, during this political season, your candidates for the legislature and state senate be queried as to their positions on the matter. Owing to the Federal regulation that census data remain closed for 72 years, that interval has become a de facto standard in the USA. A 72-year interval suffices for privacy. All that is needed is to add to Sect. 193.245 of RSMO 1994 new sub-paragraphs as follows: (4) The department shall enable the State Archives to duplicate, for public access, microfilms of the following: a) all birth records that are 72 years old or older, and indexes to such records, and b) all other vital records and indexes. (5) The department shall enable, annually, the State Archives to duplicate microfilms of the following: a) all birth records that have become 72 years old or older, and indexes to such records, and b) all other vital records and indexes. Bob Doerr Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Please see http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/state.htm

This is in reply to the Hammond - Ingram relationship. I also have a Mary Elizabeth. Ingram that married John Benjamin Hammond. I have her listed as his 3rd wife in 1897. Birth 1875 - d 1921 in Prague, Oklahoma. Thelma tgland@poncacity.net MOTANEY-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > MOTANEY-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 194 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [MOTANEY] esteps and grady [Marlene Bostrom <marbos31@olywa.ne] > #2 Re: [MOTANEY] 1850/1860 Census` [Marlene Bostrom <marbos31@olywa.ne] > #3 Re: [MOTANEY] 1850/1860 Census` [GLOREB2HIM@aol.com] > #4 Re: [MOTANEY] 1850/1860 Census` [GLOREB2HIM@aol.com] > #5 [MOTANEY] Jefferson C. Weaver 1850 [GLOREB2HIM@aol.com] > #6 [MOTANEY] Taney County index?? [Maurs97@aol.com] > #7 [MOTANEY] esteps and grady ["ann ingram" <boogie@fidnet.com>] > #8 [MOTANEY] Re: INGRAM [Diane Taylor <djtaylor@puc.edu>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from MOTANEY-D, send a message to > > MOTANEY-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [MOTANEY] esteps and grady > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:45:53 -0700 > From: Marlene Bostrom <marbos31@olywa.net> > To: MOTANEY-L@rootsweb.com > > Ann, thanks so much for your offer. I do have a copy of those > marriage certificates. There is a connection between the Esteps and > Ingrams before this marriage. Perhaps you already have the > information that Joseph Estep b. 1790 in Greene Co., TN, was first > married to Jane Hammond in 1812, then to Mary Jane Ingram about 1830 > (who I have as the mother of my Joseph Washington Estep) and lastly > to Sarah Hall about 1836 after the death of Mary Jane. I have 21 > children listed from these three marriages and records of many of > them being made wards of the court. Much of my information came from > Charles Stevens who interviewed several old members of the families > years ago. Let me know if you have the same information. > > Also, do you have the parents of John Grady b. 1785 (Nancy and > Louisa's father)? I've been trying to prove his parentage for a long > time. Do you have his wife's name. I know there are some web sites > that list Mary White, b. 1800 in Craven Co., NC, but there are too > many discrepancies for me to accept that she was his wife--at least > until I have more proof. > > Marlene > > >marlene or bill > >i have some info about the esteps and grady familys my great great > >grandfather william martin ingram married nancy grady in 1848 in > >osage county mo and nancy sister louise married joseph esteps the > >same day it was a double wedding i have the marriage cert and more > >info if you want it ann ingram > > > > > >==== MOTANEY Mailing List ==== > >"Life here is not just where we're going, but where we come > >from."--Dick Solomon, "3rd Rock from the Sun" > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >records, go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > -- > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [MOTANEY] 1850/1860 Census` > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:04:49 -0700 > From: Marlene Bostrom <marbos31@olywa.net> > To: MOTANEY-L@rootsweb.com > > Bill, > I don't have anything on Jefferson C. Weaver, but Dave and Tully > Weaver had Pesta, Besta, John, Joseph, Frances, Robert and William > listed as sons. They were born between 1786 and 1814, so any of them > would have been the right age to have been your Jefferson's father. > I don't have anything on John H. Mosely either because I haven't > really researched the Moseley line (since it isn't my blood > line--only related through Joe's marriage to Frankie. I'll get the > photo out of my files and send it in the next couple of days. I'll > send it to you privately. > > Marlene > > >I'd love to have you send me via email the picture of Joseph and Frankie. > >That would be great. > > > >As far as the indian heritage goes on the Weaver side, do you know anything > >about my greatgrandmother Necie Weaver's Dad Jefferson C. Weaver and how he > >might relate to the indian heritage you mentioned in the Dave and Tooley > >Weaver line? > > > >I haven't heard of the Eddings family. > > > >Thanks for all the info. This is great. I've been discouraged lately cause > >I haven't been able to find anything, so this is encouraging. It amazes me > >how many folks on the net mention indian heritage in the Moseley line, but > >noone seems to come up with anything. I'm not sure what that's all about but > >maybe someday we will have an answer. Say do you know anything about John H. > >Moseley, Joseph's brother, who moved to the Indian Nations? > > > >Thanks again, > >Bill > > -- > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [MOTANEY] 1850/1860 Census` > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:35:17 EDT > From: GLOREB2HIM@aol.com > To: MOTANEY-L@rootsweb.com > > Any tips oh how to research Jefferson C. and his possible relationship to the > Dave and Tooley family greatly appreciated. > > Bill > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [MOTANEY] 1850/1860 Census` > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:38:52 EDT > From: GLOREB2HIM@aol.com > To: MOTANEY-L@rootsweb.com > > Does anyone see Jefferson C. Weaver on the 1850 or 1860 census? He would have > been abt. 3 or 13 depending on which census. > > Thanks > Bill > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [MOTANEY] Jefferson C. Weaver 1850/1860 > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:41:25 EDT > From: GLOREB2HIM@aol.com > To: MOTANEY-L@rootsweb.com > > Anyone see Jefferson C. Weaver on the 1850 or 1860 census. He would have been > about 3 or 13 depending on which census. Sorry this is a repost. I left info > out on the last one. I'm trying to find out who his parents were and see if > I can trace him back to the Dave and Tooley Weaver line. > > Thanks > Bill > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [MOTANEY] Taney County index?? > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:44:52 EDT > From: Maurs97@aol.com > To: MOTANEY-L@rootsweb.com > > Is there a death index or obituary index for the year 1954? I'm looking > for an obituary of a Rose Cochrane who died on her 96th birthday while living > in Hollister, Taney Co MO. She was born about 1858, so I'm assuming the year > she died was 1954. > > Woul;d appreciate any help. > > Maureen > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [MOTANEY] esteps and grady > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 03:21:33 -0500 > From: "ann ingram" <boogie@fidnet.com> > To: MOTANEY-L@rootsweb.com > > thank you marlene > i just became aware of the early marriage between the esteps and ingram i would love to have a copy of what you have and no i dont have the name of polly grady but i have got a copy of there line from a linda t in ca and most of my info is from floyd dry on the ingram line > ann > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [MOTANEY] Re: INGRAM > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:55:00 -0700 > From: Diane Taylor <djtaylor@puc.edu> > To: MOTANEY-L@rootsweb.com > > Did any of this INGRAM line move to Washington/Benton counties in AR? My > husband's grandfather's name was Pleasant D. INGRAM and I have almost > nothing on that family. I would love to correspond with anyone who has the > INGRAM name in their family, even if it is just "shirt-tail" relatives. > Diane Biggar-Taylor > > On 10/11/02 1:21 AM, "ann ingram" <boogie@fidnet.com> wrote: > > > thank you marlene > > i just became aware of the early marriage between the esteps and ingram i > > would love to have a copy of what you have and no i dont have the name of > > polly grady but i have got a copy of there line from a linda t in ca and most > > of my info is from floyd dry on the ingram line > > ann

Hi Have you been to the Library at school of the ozarks? i have did a lot of research there . yrs ago they had a good collection. even then. they had old taney co newspapers too. Dolores Raines/Sutton drainessutton@juno.com

> > Hi Pat, > Your best connection might be White River Historical Society, P. > O. Box 555, Point Lookout, Mo. 65726. I go through Hollister, Mo. > almost every day, so if I can make a connection for you there I > would be more than happy to do so. It's a very neat town. > > Joyce Hankins Lindsey > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Fw: Hollister Historical society > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 08:04:06 -0500 > From: d11405@juno.com > To: MOTANEY-D@rootsweb.com > > Hi List, > > I have recently received a copy of a picture of the Hollister fire > department in 1943-44 of which my father is a member. Several of the men > we have put names with and I am wondering if there is a Historical > society in Hollister to whom I could send a copy of the picture for > further identification? I would love to hear from any one who can help us > identify these men. > > Thank you, > > Pat Davis

I don't know if maybe I missed the Moseley photo or not. If I did can you send it to me again. I really would like a copy of it. Something to keep for my kids and myself. Also you mentioned that you know some of the Weaver's were indian. Can you remember where you heard they were from the Dave Weaver line? Would love to know where I can research this further. Thanks so much, Bill In a message dated 10/10/02 12:34:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, marbos31@olywa.net writes: << I do know that some of the Weavers were supposed to be Indian going back to Dave Weaver b. 1760 in Cherokee Indian Lands, N. Georgia and his wife, Tooley b. abt. 1764 in western NC. Does the EDDINGS family fit into your lines anywhere? I know that they were also connected to the Weavers. Going back to Joseph L. Moseley, do you have a picture of him? I have a really unique photo of him and Frankie sitting on the front porch of their house in Bradleyville. It was probably taken in the early 1900s. The fellow who framed the photo for me wanted a copy to hang on the wall in his studio because he liked it so much. I could scan a copy and send it to you via e-mail. >>