This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: j18c71 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.stlouis/3460.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I don't want to post my email address on here and I can't quite figure out how to work this out. Back in 2002 I was in touch with Brent via email but my email address has changed since then. I know where he works now, maybe that is a way. Let me know if you know who I am talking about. I don't know what those two files might contain. Walter A. Panneck was into many things that generated documents that had nothing to do with his family. But since it was 1927 it may well be his probate. I copied seven of many pages in his probate file. Those pages included an interview with Stasia Kelber covering four pages. That was filed in August 1927. Also a petition dated 12 Aug 1927 and a paper noting the addresses for Gustav Panneck and that two notices had been sent to each address with the date 28 Oct 1928 on it. The county put their old probate records on microfiche and gave the originals to the La Salle County Genealogical Guild in Ottawa,Illinois which is online. (The library has a tremendous amount of material.) That is where I read the probate papers for Walter A. Panneck. It definitely names Gustave Panneck and his wife Ida as his brother. It gave three places of residence for them -- Mexborough, Alabama; Lucerne, Missouri and Jonesboro, Arkansas. (I suspect the transcriber put in Gustave for Gus.) I don't know if you can get them through the county but the Guild I believe will copy them at so much per page. Other survivors were two sisters, Stasia Kelber (Anastasia, wife of Isadore Kelber of La Salle, IL.) and Mary A. Smith (wife of Alexander) of Milwaukee, Wisc. The document was the proof I needed to be sure your Gus Panneck was related to Walter A. Panneck. Gus is also mentioned in the obit. Walter was a very colorful person and much was written about him in the newspapers, his picture included. Since I live in southern Illinois I was able to request the newspapers on microfilm at my local library. The Daily Post Tribune Friday 12 August 1927 has the obit for Walter. He was a former city lawyer and a very popular mayor 1903-1908. He was frequently sought as an orator at various public gatherings. He was also considered a champion of the underdog and took on many undesirable defense cases. Governer Dunne of Illinois also appointed him to the Illinois & Michigan Canal Commission. While he was still working as a lawyer in 1927, his health was preventing him from doing the work as well as he did in the past. He was so ill that he did not even have a will written out for himself! Stasia Kelber's obit was in the newspaper on May 21, 1932 and mentions her brother, Gus Panneck of Arkansas. familysearch.org has their interpretation of that 1880 Census but not the original. Ancestry does have the original but only to members. You might check with your local library on inter-library loan of the mf. I do have a xerox but it is hard to read. Maybe we can figure out a way. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.