This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Georgia1910 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.stlouis/10077.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There is a Eugene Murphy on the 1930 census enumerated at the St. Joseph Orphanage in St. Louis. He is 7 years old, born in Missouri and parents' birthplace unknown. Do you think this may be Ann's brother? If so, it could help narrow down the time frame for his mother's death and possibly his father's. The Secretary of STate of Missouri has an online index to Missouri deaths for 1910 to 1957 and each year they add another year. Most of the names have images of the death certificate. There are a lot of Murphys. You might want to look for a male with the same first name as the boys as well as first limiting your search to St. Louis City. And then maybe all Murphys that died in St. Louis City in a certain year. http://www.sos.mo.gov/archives/resources/deathcertificates/ In addition, you should check the online index to obits that appeared in the Post-Dispatch. You can order copies of the obits from the St. Louis Public Library for $0.25 per page plus $1.00 postage. They used to limit the copies to 20 per request. You might want to see if that has changed. http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/geneinfo.htm The Library also has City Directories for St. Louis-you might want to see if she is listed for the years that she had turned 18 and older. If you email the library, send a separate request for the obits and a separate email for the city directory look up. Do you have the marriage record for Ann? Have you written for her Social Security Application? I think the price is somewhere about $26-$29 now-used to be $7.00. You apply for a copy under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) The application has a place for the parents' names although I have a copy of an application where the person listed his mother's maiden name incorrectly. His mother died at a young age and he may not have known her maiden name. http://www.socialsecurity.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm The SS death index shows that she applied for her SS number before 1951 in Missouri. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.