This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gmplb Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.stlouis/10054.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you Georgia1910 for your help. I have to look in New York now. Also with Italian American association, if something like that exist. gmplb Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

HI Bill, I am happy to hear the Grotto is still alive and well. I thought when they closed Gravois it was disbanded. I think I had told you my parents were very active in the Grand and Magnolia Grotto in the 30's and 40's. I really believe that Harry Reed (probably father) was active at the same time. I think Meridian was his :Lodge. I think Otto Hippenmeyer might have been the Monarch in the 30's. Are there Grotto archives of activities from past years? If anybody is ever looking for material I have some. Joan Yeckel [email protected] wrote: Just to correct one item in your post Alhambra Grotto is still active, as a matter of fact, I am one of the > Past Monarch's of the Grotto. My baby brother Frank is also a Past > Monarch and the current Dr. of Smiles. What is the Dr. of Smiles you > might ask. Our major charity is Dentistry for Children with Special > Needs. i.e. Free Dental care. I was the guy who had to sell the Grotto > building on Gravois and Laughborough a few years ago. We now meet at the > Webster Groves Masonic Temple, last Friday we had our annual picnic down > next door to Jefferson Barracks. > > I am one of the young guys, 74. PM Harry Reed is our Secretary and has > been for forever, his father before him. I am sure if Otto was a member > of the Grotto Harry would have his record and would provide the data: > ,<[email protected]>, if necessary I can work out the > information on Otto's Masonic Lodge. > > Bill Buchholz > ____________________________________________________________ > Find a buyer for your car the fast and easy way! Click now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3neAPtosy9O5ZBaU0JIEAGQqH4lTfdQ0pi6y2owsBiQQLEBr/ > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sunny6276 Surnames: Hippenmeier, Hippenmeyer, Hippenmayer,Phillips, Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.stlouis/10057/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I received some papers on my gr gr uncle, Paul Hippenmeier(hippenmeyer). In his possession was a business card for "Hip's Fashion Shop 707 Pine Street. The name O.J. Hippenmeyer is printed on the bottom left corner. The card has a phone number that I believe is from the 1920's. It reads Garfield 0201. I have been trying to trace any relative related to the Hippenmeiers(Hippenmeyers) to no avail. All the Hippenmeiers I know are related to me, live here in FL. I know thru census records that Otto Hippenmeyer was a haberdasher on the 1920 census. His father was Conrad Hippenmeyer, with a son Harry and a daughter Edna. Even with this info, I have not been able to find the connection to my family. I have official documents where the family's last name was spelled both ways. I don't quite understand how that could be, but that's going off on another tangent. I would love to find and talk to any living relative of Otto, to see if we might be related. Why else would my gr! gr uncle have Otto's business card? I want to think that Otto was a brother of my gr gr grandfather John Jacob Hippenmeier. I also have correspondence from a gr gr gr gr aunt(to me), gr gr aunt (to Paul) Caroline Freuler Hippenmeier who lived in the Canton Glarus, Switz. My gr gr grandfather was from Gottlieb Thuragau, Switz. I don't know if that helps. Any info on anything would help. There are so many Hippenmeiers and Hippenmeyers on the genealogy sites that it makes me dizzy. Thank you for any help. Ann Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Joan, Just to correct one item in your post. Alhambra Grotto is still active, as a matter of fact, I am one of the Past Monarch's of the Grotto. My baby brother Frank is also a Past Monarch and the current Dr. of Smiles. What is the Dr. of Smiles you might ask. Our major charity is Dentistry for Children with Special Needs. i.e. Free Dental care. I was the guy who had to sell the Grotto building on Gravois and Laughborough a few years ago. We now meet at the Webster Groves Masonic Temple, last Friday we had our annual picnic down next door to Jefferson Barracks. I am one of the young guys, 74. PM Harry Reed is our Secretary and has been for forever, his father before him. I am sure if Otto was a member of the Grotto Harry would have his record and would provide the data: ,<[email protected]>, if necessary I can work out the information on Otto's Masonic Lodge. Bill Buchholz ____________________________________________________________ Disease Information Online - Click here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oHoSAqPyJJSq3ierXD0KJe0coWExt545pa2sI6C3gbEa8Kc/

Ann, Another reason you may find is that during WWI many families altered the way they spelled their surname was to make it look more American and less German. I went to one of the SSN Death Index sites and typed in HIPPENM* and came up with; 21 listings, HIPPENMEIER, 3 from Florida, all lived in Tampa HIPPENMEYER, 5 applied in Illinois, 3 were living in the Chicago area, one was living in Granger Indiana. HIPPENMEYER, 7 from Wisconsin, at time of death three were living in Waukesha, WI; three in Stoughton, WI, San Rafael, CA HIPPENMEYER, 1 form Minnesota HIPPENMEYER, 1 listed as living in the State of Missouri, 3 were last living in St. Louis and one in Pacific Palsades, CA; These 5 applied for their SSN in Missouri The persons from ST. Louis area: OTTO HIPPENMEYER 27 May 1881 - Nov 1970, I would suspect this is your person of interest, you can order a death certificate HARRY HIPPENMEYER, 28 Sep 1899 - May 1973 HARRY J. HIPPENMEYER, 4 Sep 1926 - 26 Jul 1997 I find a Harry J. Hippenmeyer living at 418 E. Argonne Dr., St. Louis, MO 63122-4524; (314) 821-4522 A Harry J. HIppenmeyer was buried at Sts. Peter & Paul Cem. on 3 Nov 1999. You might check with the St. Louis Public Library and ask them to search their obit files, there is a minimal charge if they find it. Between 1913 & 1955 there are 5 Hippenmeyer deaths listed on the Missouri State Archives. Bill Buchholz ____________________________________________________________ Enter for Your Chance to WIN* The TotalBeauty.com Summer Spa Sweepstakes! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7UfhV4my5k2CeeyJVkMXS2JSaib3N7hYhAOE7uITwNWTgDm/

Hello Ann - If I may, I'd like to clarify your mention of various spellings for the same family name. That was very common, and in some cases still is, in that one family of say, six sons, spells the same surname 6 different ways, or 4 different ways in one document for the same person. There was no single "correct" way to spell much of anything until around 1875-1900, because there were no rules, so we genealogists just collect them as they are, not as we in the 21st Century think they should be. You may also run into Hibbenmeyer (the b and p sound the same in German) or Hippenmaier, or Hippenmyer or even Hippenmaher or Hibbermeyer. You may also see chopped versions (Hippe, Hippen, or Meyer, Mäer, etc.) The sound is far more important for your research. In the early days, certain census enumerators were not permitted (!) to ask someone how to spell his name, so as not to embarrass anyone who was not literate - this, on top of a gazillion different Germanic dialects and some poor kid who knew only basic English just trying to do his job for $2.50 a week and getting yelled at by sometimes frightened immigrants (what does the GOVERNMENT want?) Maureen Schoenky, native of Kirkwood ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Hi, I really shouldn't jump in here after that excellent post by my good friend, Maureen, because I have very sparse info for you. I went to Washington University with one Tom Hippenmeyer in 1950 who dated a friend of mine. I believe he lived later in life in California. He had a cousin, Bill Beardsley, who attended Westminster College in the same time period. I remember an Otto Hippenmeyer who was active in the Masonic Lodge and the Alhambra Grotto in the 30's and 40's. The Grotto is no longer active. Otto might have been a member of Meridian Lodge which is located: 4500 Donovan Ave St Louis, MO 63109 (314) 353-7705 If Otto wasn't a member there perhaps they can guide you to the correct Lodge. I think Bill is still living, and his mother might have been Edna Hippenmeyer. Tom's father might have been Harry. Again, a long time ago and I didn't know them that well. Joan Schaller Yeckel St. Louis, MO Joan Schaller Yeckel St. Louis, MO > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: sunny6276 > Surnames: Hippenmeier, Hippenmeyer, Hippenmayer,Phillips, > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.stlouis/10057/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I received some papers on my gr gr uncle, Paul Hippenmeier(hippenmeyer). In his possession was a business card for "Hip's Fashion Shop 707 Pine Street. The name O.J. Hippenmeyer is printed on the bottom left corner. The card has a phone number that I believe is from the 1920's. It reads Garfield 0201. I have been trying to trace any relative related to the Hippenmeiers(Hippenmeyers) to no avail. All the Hippenmeiers I know are related to me, live here in FL. I know thru census records that Otto Hippenmeyer was a haberdasher on the 1920 census. His father was Conrad Hippenmeyer, with a son Harry and a daughter Edna. Even with this info, I have not been able to find the connection to my family. I have official documents where the family's last name was spelled both ways. I don't quite understand how that could be, but that's going off on another tangent. I would love to find and talk to any living relative of Otto, to see if we might be related. Why else would my ! gr > ! > gr uncle have Otto's business card? I want to think that Otto was a brother of my gr gr grandfather John Jacob Hippenmeier. I also have correspondence from a gr gr gr gr aunt(to me), gr gr aunt (to Paul) Caroline Freuler Hippenmeier who lived in the Canton Glarus, Switz. My gr gr grandfather was from Gottlieb Thuragau, Switz. I don't know if that helps. Any info on anything would help. There are so many Hippenmeiers and Hippenmeyers on the genealogy sites that it makes me dizzy. Thank you for any help. Ann > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: specs7 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.stlouis/9955.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm actually looking for Emma (Heinecke) Wentz father Frederick Heinecke. Emmas' youngest brother Harry was born in 1886. Their father died before Harry was born. I can't find him in the 1870 or 1880 census. He is not listed with the family. As far as the strike goes the only info I have is what I listed and I'm not sure of that. Wish I could be more help on that. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Georgia1910 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.stlouis/10054.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: When I wanted my grandfather's records from the St. Louis Metro Police Department, I was told that unless the person was active after 1956 (I think) or was collecting a pension from 1956 on, there were no records. Since my grandfather was collecting a pension until his death in 1961, I was able to get some records. This is the address that I had from that time which was about 6-8 years ago. St. Louis Metro Police Department Police Headquarters 1200 Clark Avenue St. Louis MO 63103-2845 (314) 444-5555 (314) 444-5590 Here is an index to St. Louis Policeman up to 1910 but I didn't see a Messina on it. I don't know if it included all active policemen. http://www.stlgs.org/DBgovernmentFirePolicephotos.htm Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gmplb Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.stlouis/10054.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you Georgia1910. I'll analyze all these info. One thing I can check is if there is any record on policeman, lawyer or judge because I was said that the family in USA was in this area of work. If anybody know a site for this thread, may be it can help me. Thank you gmplb Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mcteer Surnames: LENCZNER, LENTZNER Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.stlouis/10056/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have been able to track most of the children of my ancestors, Litman Isaac and Gitel Rywke (GLISKMAN) LENCZNER of Szczekociny, Poland who came to the US, including my great grandmother, Liba (LENCZNER) LIEBERMAN KALKOPF FRYMORGEN. However there is one who was reportedly in the US with whom I have had no luck other than the mention of her first name and location. In Liba's 1932/3 immigration papers at a hearing in San Francisco, CA, she states she has a sister, Rose, married and living in St. Louis (where most of the relatives lived before coming California). Of course neither Rose's married name nor address were provided. So this is the only reference I have for such a sibling. The birth years I have for her sibling range from about 1872 to 1894. It is possible she married prior to coming to the US. I have been informed of two Roses listed in the 1930 St. Louis census: Rose BAKER and Rose O(/A)RENSTEIN. From the funeral home I have learned Rose BAKER's maiden name was STEIN. And there is an MO State Archives reference indicating the second Rose was THALER. I make this post primarily for archival purposes. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Georgia1910 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.stlouis/10054.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There is a Sammie Messina who died in 1945 and whose father was Pietro and mother was Maria Quartuccio. He was born Oct 1, 1875 but the record shows that he is single. Could he have gone by a nickname or be a relative? Also, death records are not always correct. Depends on how well the informant knew the deceased person. For obituaries, there is an index to many of the years of the St. Louis Post Dispatch newspaper. If you have a date of death or burial but the year is not indexed, you can still request a lookup. http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/obit.htm What would Giuseppe be in English? There was a Joe Messina with a wife named Gracia on the 1910 census. Says that they arrived in 1905 and that "Joe" was born about 1875. Also says that they have been married for 12 years and there are no children listed with them. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gmplb Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.stlouis/10054.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I thank you very much for these information, but Giuseppe Messina father's name was Pietro Messina not Michele. Giuseppe Messina could have been policemen, but when he arrive in USA from Siculiana in Sicily, he was laborer. We have a photo send by him, 50 years ago and he look older than 40 y. old. Thank again, keep in touch. gmplb Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: linda41971 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.stlouis/10054.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There is a Giuseppe Messina buried in Calvary Cemetery. He died Dec 15, 1917 at the age of 39. I did not find any listing for Grazia. The website for the archdiocese of St. Louis cemetary website is: www.archstl.org/cemeteries. I think next you should request an obituary search to see if this is the right Giuseppe. You can also search the cemetery website to see if you find any other familiar names to inquire about. I also checked the online index of death certificates for Missouri and found his death certificate. Not much information there, but his father's name is listed as Michele. http://www.sos.mo.gov/archives/resources/deathcertificates/ Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: angeleyestritt Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.stlouis/10053.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you so much! That is him! I appreciate your help! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: judylinnebach Surnames: Wilson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.stlouis/10053.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: His death certificate, found here http://www.sos.mo.gov/archives/resources/deathcertificates/results.asp?type=advance&tLName=Wilson&radSearch=Exact&tFName=T&radFNSearch=Starts&sCounty=all&tYear=1936&sMonth=1#null gives his parents names. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: judylinnebach Surnames: wilson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.stlouis/10053.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: His death Certificate available at http://www.sos.mo.gov/archives/resources/deathcertificates/results.asp?type=advance&tLName=Wilson&radSearch=Exact&tFName=T&radFNSearch=Starts&sCounty=all&tYear=1936&sMonth=1#null, gives his father's name as Edward Wilson, born in England and his mother as Ella White born in Illinois. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: judylinnebach Surnames: Wilson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.stlouis/10053.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There is a Thomas M. Wilson who registered for the WW1 draft in 1917 in St Louis. He was born 6 Nov 1889 in St Louis. In June of 1917 when he registered he was married and lived at 4518 Labradir??? and worked as a "stewart"? He was tall and stout with brown eyes and dark red hair. If this might be your ancestor you can get the actual copy of the registration with his signature from ancestry. Let me know if you want me to send you one. Do you know what religion he was? Many church records in St Louis have been filmed and are available from Family History Centers. That might be your best bet. Or a film of city records of St Louis marriages in 1916-1917 to find who married them. Then, unless it was a justice of the peace, you can track down the church. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 65963aux Surnames: Simoneau Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.stlouis/5482.1.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Al - thanks for your post. You provided me with some good areas to explore - especially the part about the group of Simoneau's in New Bourbon... and Washington Co.,Mo... Thank you again for sharing. -mary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: georgia1369 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.stlouis/10051.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Found a Catherin (sic) DeCosta in the online Illinois database for deaths who died in 1944. Possibly George's mother since she was also in Cook County at the time of her death. Have you found the family on a 1930 census at all? I found a Catherine, widowed, living with her son-in-law Charles Barnum in Illinois. Found George and Louise living in Chicago with George's brother John who is 21 years old. The census shows that George and Louise are 37 years old and their age at first marriage was 25. So, they have been married 12 years but also enumerated with them is someone who is listed as "son" but with a different last name (first name is Leroy) and who is 18 years old. That is strange but there are other enumerations on this page that don't make sense relationship wise. There are children listed as sons to other head of households but with different last names. And the marriage age and the difference between their current age doesn't agree with the ages of the so called children of the head of household. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.