Sorry it took so long to reply but have had some computer problems...... We are cousins then as Mary Jane Green is my gr. gr. grandmother & Ansalem is my 4th gr. grandfather. There are some Green family pictures on this page: http://carrollscorner.net/Briley-GreenPics.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: charles green To: mostfran@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Green Family Yes, I'm distantly related to them. My ancestor was Marvel Green ( my gg-grandfather)who was a brother to Ansalem Green. Marvel lived a few years in St Francois Co and moved to Montgomery County, Illinois. Marvel had a nephew named Marvel who also lived and married in St Francois County. The error in the tree, is the Marvel living in Montgomery County, Ill in 1870 is not Ansalem's son but his brother. The other Marvel Green moved to St Clair County, Missouri and apparently disappears after 1880 census. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther M. Ziock Carroll" <cats.n.critters@centurytel.net> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: [MOSTFRAN] Green Family > Charlie are you related to these Greens??? > > http://carrollscorner.net/Briley-Green.htm > > MARY JANE GREEN was born in 1856 in BonneTerre, St. Francois County, > Missouri. She was the daughter of Elizabeth L. Jackson and Joseph Green. > Mary Jane died in 1934 and is buried in Germania Cemetery, St. Francios > County, Missouri. > > > JOSEPH GREEN was born in 1825 in North Carolina. He was the son of > Elizabeth Philbeck and Ansalem Green. Joseph married Elizabeth L. Jackson > in 1851 in St. Francois County, Missouri. Elizabeth died sometime between > 1864 - 1866 and Joseph then married Mary Brimm. Joseph died sometime > after 1882. > > Children of Elizabeth Jackson & Joseph Green: > > Alexander H. - born 1852, Mo. > > Ansalem B. - born 1854, Mo. Married Eliza ? > > Mary Jane - born 3 March 1856, Bonne Terre, St. Francois Co., Mo. Married > James Briley 25 Dec.1873. Died 6 Nov. 1934, Irondale, Washington Co., Mo. > Buried: Germania Cem., Bonne Terre, St. Francois Co., Mo. > > Rhoda Ann - born 1861. Married a Mr. Lovern. > > John T. & William T. (twins) - born 1864. John married Emma C. ? & > William married Jennie S. ? John T. eventually went to Detroit. > > Ellen Rosa Ann - born 1867 & died 1947. > > > > MOST OF THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED BY: > MELANIE RICKMAR & MILES PHILBECK > > ANSALEM GREEN was born in 1801 in North Carolina. He was the son of > Martha Jones and Shadrack Green. In 1822 Ansalem married Elizabeth > Philbeck in Rutherford County, North Carolina. Elizabeth was the daughter > of Sarah and George Philbeck from Germany and the grand daughter of Maria > Elizabeth Hoffman and Wilhelm Ernst FELBACH. Elizabeth Philbeck and her > husband Ansalem Green were living in Tennessee during the 1830's before > coming to Missouri and settling in St. Francois County. Anssalem and > Elizabeth were the parents of nine children: > > Joseph > > John > > Mary > > Marvel > > Delilah > > Cornelius > > George > > Falby > > William > > There is a marriage record for Ansalem Green to Mary Morgan on 19 February > 1869 in Montgomery County, Illinois. In the 1870 census for Montgomery > county so far I have found Ansalem's son, Marvel Green, living in Bear > Creek Township. Ansalem died in 1876 in Illinois. > > SHADRACK GREEN (Jr) was born circa 1760 and was the son of Shadrack Green. > Shadrack (Jr) married about 1800 to Martha Jones. (Microgulmed records of > Sandy Run Baptist Church: "Shadrach Green & his wife Martha Green joined > by letter" May, 1830 church minutes) Shadrack (Jr.) died in March of 1846 > in Cleveland Co., North Carolina. (Will Book A, page 55). He is buried in > the Green Cemetery. Martha & Shadrack became the parents of eleven > children: > > Ansalem > > Cornelius > > Abner > > Marvel > > Joseph > > Enoch > > Elijah > > Saray > > Viney > > Dicey > > Elizabeth > > > > SHADRACK GREEN ~ First wife's name is unknown. Second wife was Mary Gage. > Shadrack had two brothers, Mesach & Abednego. Mesach was married to > Lucretia (Creasy) ???. They had five children. Abednego was married to > Winney ??? 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FARMINGTON TIMES, Farmington, St. Francois County, Missouri, Friday, July 7, 1905 A FATAL DIVE ________ Jakob Lopez of Ironton Dives Into Shut-in Creek, Strikes Rock and Is Instantly Killed ________ Jacob Lopez, a promiment young business man of Ironton and well known here, met with sudden death at Shut-in, about three miles from Ironton, last Sunday, July 2nd. He had gone to the Shut-in with a party of friends from St. Louis, including Mr. and Mrs. Robert Burns, to spend the day. While there the gentlemen in the crowd donned bathing suits and indulged in a swim. The body of water in which they were bathing has a rock bottom, and Mr. Lopez, from a slight elevation, plunged into it head first. There had been a very heavy rain the night before, and it is supposed that a loose rock had been washed into the pool. As Mr. Lopez plunged into the water his head struck a hidden rock and he sank out of sight. The other two men did not notice him as he dove into the water, and the first alarm was given by the women in the party when he failed to appear on the surface after the plunge. They screamed and their husbands hurried to the scene to find that the body had been carried down stream by the swiftly-running water. They made a hurried search, but could not find him. The news of the accident was carried to Ironton as quickly as possible. A large number of citizens started immediately for the scene and arrived there at 12:30. At first they carefully searched the pool in which Lopez had been swimming, but the body could not be found. After diving and dragging the stream for about an hour the body was located where it had lodged almost 250 yards down stream. An examination of the remains revealed a deep hole in the top of the head, which, it is supposed, was caused by the corner of a rock. This alone would probably have been sufficient to cause death. The body of water in which the drowning occurred, which is located in what is known as the Shut-In, is in Stout's creek, and is frequently visited by outing parties. It is surrounded by some of the most rugged picturesque scenery in the Ozark mountains. Jacob Lopez was a brother of George Lopez, who formerly had charge of the Lopez store in Farmington and who died several years ago. He was born in Ironton and has lived there the greater part of his life, though he and his brothers have conducted general merchandise stores in several Southeast towns. His parents are dead, and only one of his brothers, Adolph, is left.

FARMINGTON TIMES, Farmington, St. Francois County, Missouri, Friday, July 7, 1905 RURAL DELIVERY ROUTE No. 3 We are thankful for the fine rains of the past week. A. J. WAMPLER is putting a hay fork and track in his barn and making other improvements. The wheat crop is light on this route, fruit is almost a failure and grass is short, but corn looks well. Chas. YEARGAIN has eight or nine fine Hereford calves in his herd of Shorthorns, among them one pair of twins; also a very fine young colt from Artist, the fine stallion kept by Doc. MACKLEY. Our farmers are getting up-to-date on fine stock. Elmer HARRELSON of St. Louis and Miss HARRELSON, who is attending the Gem City Business College of Quincy, Ill., visited their parents near Chestnut Ridge a short time week before last. Miss Nellie returned to Quincy Saturday and Elmer on Thursday. C. J. HARRELSON came very near losing a fine young cow recently. The cow had eaten the wilted leaves of a wild cherry tree which he and some workmen had cut down while blazing out a way for a wire fence near a creek on his farm. Paste that in your hats, boys.

FARMINGTON TIMES, Farmington, St. Francois County, Missouri, Thursday, February 2, 1911 LICENSED TO MARRY January 28, N. A. Sherrel and Mrs. Mary Pruitt of Flat River. 30th, Orion Larby and Miss Lulu Sullivan of Farmington. 31st, R. L. Settle and Miss Nellie Thomure of Doe Run.

FARMINGTON TIMES, Farmington, St. Francois County, Missouri, Friday, June 2, 1905 TWENTY YEARS AGO This Week In St. Francois County Daniel WILLIAMS was drowned in Doe Run creek. He was fishing when he was seized with a fit and fell into the water. Charles JENNINGS, little son of J. B. JENNINGS, at Iron Mountain, was badly bitten by a dog. He got between two dogs while they were fighting. The following teachers were employed to teach the public school: J. U. WHITE, principal; J. S. CLAY, first assistant; Miss Emma LANG, second assistant; and Mrs. Emma BOSWELL, teacher of the primary department. The County Court made an order appointing L. D. WALKER superintendent and authorizing him to tear down, repair and rebuild the old court house; and appropriating all surplus money in the treasury, amounting to about $16,000, for this purpose. The result of this order is the present court house.

FARMINGTON TIMES, Farmington, St. Francois County, Missouri, Friday, May 19, 1905 BILL DOOLEY INSANE _________ So Decided the Jury Before Whom He Was Examined on the Testimony Submitted _________ William Dooley, under indictment for the murder of William Harris, was on motion of the attorneys of the defendant, examined before a jury as to his sanity in the Circuit Court last Wednesday afternoon. Since last fall, until about a month ago, Dooley was confined in the St. Louis jail, and it was while there that symptoms of insanity which had before been suspicioned became more pronounced and were very noticeable to the guards, who spoke of them frequently. It will be remembered by the readers of THE TIMES that a few weeks ago, when Dooley was brought back to Farmington from St. Louis, a special correspondence appeared in this paper setting forth the general opinion of the St. Louis jail guards as to his sanity. The depositions of several of these guards and the jail physician were taken on the 16th inst. by Hon. M. R. Smith, one of the attorneys of the defendant, before Andrew H. Watson, a notary public of St. Louis. These and the testimony of Dr. C. L. Blanks on the part of the State and Dr. G. A. McEwen on the part of the defense in a hypothetical case of insanity, constituted the evidence presented to the jury. Dr. W. S. Lawrence, the jail physician, in his deposition said that Dooley came to him several times in a casual way about some trivial ailment, but he had not observed his conduct sufficiently to warrant him in giving an opinion as to Dooley's mental condition. Patrick Sullivan, jail guard, testified that from his observation of Dooley he would say that he is unbalanced, in fact insane; that his conduct showed that he was not right in his head, and that he continued to grow worse. When the cell was opened for him to come out on the floor and have exercise he wouldn't move, but had to be hustled out, and then he would stand on the floor, wouldn't speak to anyone, but stared at vacancy and seemed to be lost. Charles J. Gockley, an employe at the jail, said that Dooley's conduct impressed him as being an insane man. When his meals were taken to him, sometimes he would come and get them and sometimes they would be there the next afternoon. He would stand for probably an hour or two hours at a time in one spot, wouldn't talk to anybody and would not look at anybody. Some of this witness's testimony was about the same as given by others, and he said that he believed him to be insane. Thomas Burke, another employe at the jail, testified that Dooley seldom talked, was moody all the time and would stand and look at one object ten or fifteen minutes at a time and we couldn't tell what he was looking at. He was filthy in his habits, never cared whether he washed himself or not, and never cleaned his cell out. Would say he was insane, because he didn't act like a sane man in any shape; acted different from any man the witness had ever seen in jail; it seemed like he didn't care for anything. The foregoing and the examination of Drs. Blanks and McEwen on a hypothetical case of insanity constitute the sum and substance of the testimony, which was given to the jury without argument. The verdict of the jury was that Dooley is insane. The following named citizens composed the jury: J. E. Herrod, Pearl Phipps, F. C. Barthol, John Marks, George A. Tetley, S. E. Sharrock, Fred Schafer, John Grifford, Henry Browning, John Moore, August Thomsen and James Haney.

FARMINGTON TIMES, Farmington, St. Francois County, Missouri, Friday, June 16, 1905 SALEM NEIGHBORHOOD Messrs. John DOSS, George GRIFFIN and T. H. DARNELL are on the sick list. Miss Mabel JENNINGS of Three Rivers vicinity is visiting her aunt, Mrs. BRAYSON, at Sprott. Mrs. Eli DANIELS and son, Willie, of near Flat River were here Saturday as guests of Mrs. J. H. JOHNSON. Mr. and Mrs. Odie WILLIAMS of near Esther were here Sunday visiting relatives and attending church. Willie BERRYMAN of Oakland spent Saturday night near Three Rivers with Mr. and Mrs. J. O. EDWARDS. Misses Pearl and Opal PERKINS of Farmington spent a few days the past week at Oakland as guests of Miss Sallie PERRYMAN. Misses Bessie AGNEW, Bertha YEAGER and Maude WILLIAMS were guests of Misses Grace and Lulu DARNELL Sunday. Miss Edith HAILE of Farmington was here a few days the past week as the guest of her uncle and aunt, Mr. and Mrs. J. H. JOHNSON. Misses Daisy and Mae WOODARD and Nellie PETRIE of Three Rivers were guests of Mrs. Judge MILLS and daughter, Miss Mabel, Sunday. Mr. and Mrs. John DOSS spent Thursday in Flat River, as guests of Mrs. Sarah HORN and family. They were accompanied home by Master Newman HORN, who visited them the past week. OPAL.

Wanda, You might want to check out this Iron County site too. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~moicgs/icgs_home.html Bettye On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:20:01 -0500 "Ed Mackley" <ed.mackley@gmail.com> wrote: > Wanda, > Here is a link to Iron Co. Mo. gen web page. > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~moiron2/index.htm > Ed > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mackley/index.htm > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:10 PM, WANDA M.MERRITT < > bwmerrhuntgenes@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> How do i find Iron County geneology webb site?????? >>Thanks Wanda >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >message

This is husband of Park Hills librarian, Leann Marler: Allan Marler Jan 09, 2009 - 09:45:08 CST FARMINGTON — Allan W. “Chugger” Marler of Farmington passed away January 7, 2009 at St. Louis University Hospital at the age of 57 years. He was born June 24, 1951, son of the late Wayne Marler and Norma ‘Eden’ Marler, who survives. Also surviving are his wife Leann ‘Bay’ Marler of Farmington; One Son, Justin Marler and wife Jennifer of Park Hills; One Grandson, Colton of Park Hills. Visitation Friday, January 9, Family at 4:30 p.m. and friends at 5 p.m. at the Caldwell Memorial Chapel in Park Hills. Services, Saturday, 11 a.m. at Caldwell Memorial Chapel with Rev. Bruce Colella. Interment at Three Rivers Cemetery on Hwy D. Memorials to Wags and Purrs Animal Adoption Center, Hwy 67, Farmington or American Cancer Society.

FARMINGTON TIMES, Farmington, St. Francois County, Missouri, Friday, June 16, 1905 DOOLEYS GO TO TRIAL __________ Case Called Last Monday, Jurors Summoned and Qualified and Trial Begun Yesterday Morning __________ The case of the State against Joe and Less Dooley, under indictment for murder in the first degree, was called for trial last Monday morning in the Circuit Court at this place, and both sides announced ready. Judge Killian ordered the Sheriff to summon sixty men from which to select a trial jury and report with them Wednesday morning. Out of the first forty-three examined forty qualified as jurors. Twenty-four hours were then given to the attorneys to make challenges, the State being allowed eight challenges and the defense twenty. Yesterday (Thursday) morning, the challenges being completed showed the following named twelve men selected as the trial jury: Frank Calverd, J. A. Newton, John Hicks, Charles E. Webb, Lawrence Kelley, W. H. Adams, Elza Johnson, Henry Carver, Henry Ritter, Joe Alexander, W. H. Tripp and Pearl Phipps. This case grew out of the noted family feud duel between the Dooleys and Harrises, which occurred at a picnic at Doe Run on the 4th of August, 1900, and in which W. H. Dooley, the father of Joe and Less, and Wes Harris were killed outright, and John Dooley, Jim and Frank Harris were badly wounded, John Dooley subsequently dying of his injuries; and out of which grew the killing of Bill Harris by Bill Dooley on a coach of the M.R. & B.T. railroad at Rock Spring a year later. Bill Dooley was adjudged insane at the present term of the Circuit Court and is now confined at State Hospital No. 4. After the indictment of Joe and Less, they were released on bond, which they forfeited, and their bondsmen and the officers were given much trouble in their efforts to apprehend them, in which efforts they signally failed. After the killing of Bill Harris by Bill Dooley, and the latter's capture and arrest some months later, Joe and Less finally gave themselves up for trial. After the preliminaries of swearing in the jury and arraigning the defendants yesterday morning, the examination of witnesses was begun. There are a large number of witnesses and the taking of evidence will not close before this (Friday) evening. The arguments of the attorneys will probably begin Saturday morning. Prosecuting Attorney George M. Wilson is conducting the trial on the part of the State, and W. S. Anthony, Merrill Pipkin and Politte Elvins appear for the defense. On account of illness Hon. M. R. Smith, who is one of the attorneys for the defense, is not able to appear.

FARMINGTON TIMES, Farmington, St. Francois County, Missouri, Friday, June 16, 1905 TWENTY YEARS AGO __________ This Week In St. Francois County __________ The locusts were doing damage at Iron Mountain. The county officials vacated the old court house for offices over at Braun's Hall. Rev. George Steele of DeSoto delivered the annual address to Farmington College students. Thos. Lang returned from a trip to the Southeast, on which he sold about $3,000 worth of wagons. The Farmington brass band had just provided themselves with new suits resplendent with brass buttons and gold lace. The Odd Fellows Lodge of Farmington gave a large picnic at the Fair Ground, at which about 1,500 people were present. M. H. Cahoon made the address for the occasion. There was a knightly tournament with a saddle for first prize, which was won by Phip Hunt, and a bridle for second prize, won by Tom Brown. Twenty-one young men competed.

Does anyone know where Edgar Sutherland is buried? IF correct, by the 1910 St. Francois census, his wife, Eva, is listed as widowed. [The online MO death recs begin in 1910; he's not listed in the SSDI and I don't find an obit for him on the St. Fran. webpage]. Thanks, Kay 1880 GERMAN TWP, Marquand, MADISON Co, MO Sutherland: - Tilson 37 IN IN IN blacksmith - Susan C. 32 MO KY ? - Edgar 8 - Elizabeth 6 - Frank 4 Edgard Sutherland md. Eva Arnold - St. Francois County, MO 9/2/1897 1900 St Francois, St Francois Census: Page: 18A; Enumeration District: 100 Edger Sutherland 28; -May 1872 Blacksmith Eva Sutherland 24; -Nov 1875 Ora Sutherland 2; -Feb 188 Morris Sutherland11.12; -April 1900 --What happened to Morris, DOB: 1899? Mattie Sutherland 20; -Jan 1880 sister 1910 Liberty Township, St. Francois Co - Household of Mickey ARNOLD, father Mickey Arnold b.1836 wd. Eva Southerland Age 33 wd. Daughter 2 children/1 living Era Southerland Age 12 Nephew [Should be grandson] Oran Eno, DOB: 2/3/1899 - DOB: 1955 Oran married Pearl Thomas; In 1955, Oran was murdered by his neighbor, Brodie Overton over right-of-way granted to Oran by the court ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215047751x1200957972/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62)

FARMINGTON TIMES, Farmington, St. Francois County, Missouri, Friday, July 7, 1905 WESLEY CHAPEL ITEMS H. S. PRICE was in this locality Monday. Several from here spent the Fourth in the pinery, having a grand time. Oat cutting is the business of the day and wheat stacking is near at hand. The floods and rain are giving our energetic road overseer, John RUSSELL, plenty to do. Mrs. William DALTON and daughter, Miss Hortense, visited Mr. GLOVER of Farmington recently. Mrs. A. M. SMITH chaperoned quite a crowd of young people to the picnic at Farmington July 4. Mr. J. S. SIMPSON is having fine success with his class of vocal music. The young folks are invited to meet at A. B. McKENZIEs next Sunday afternoon to sing. Misses Hortense DALTON, Nan, Lizzie and Myrtle McKENZIE, Bernice JACOBS, and Messrs. Ernest SMITH, Ned LAWRENCE, Henry McKENZIE, Thomas BLAIR, Emile and Walter DALTON, Noah GORDON and David MACKLEY, spent Sunday afternoon with the family of A. M. SMITH.

FARMINGTON TIMES, Farmington, St. Francois County, Missouri, Thursday, August 17, 1911 BIG FAMILY GATHERING There was a big family gathering of the Griffin, Hopkins, Meyers, Rickus and Doughty families, all related by marriage, at Mr. Lott Griffin's beautiful grove, 2 1/2 miles southeast of town, last Sunday. There were more than a hundred members of the several families present. A basket dinner, which these good people know so well how to prepare, was spread for the occasion, and a most delightful day was spent. Mr. Redden, the photographer, took a picture of the group and scenery, in which about 110 persons are shown. This he has enlarged by means of a machine of his own invention, making a splendid picture in which every face stands out clear and recognizable. Among those present were Mr. and Mrs. Lott Griffin, Mr. and Mrs. Geo. Rickus, Sr., Mr. and Mrs. M. L. Doughty, Mr. and Mrs. John A. Doughty, Mr. and Mrs. John A. Murphy and daughter, Miss Helen; Mr. and Mrs. C. C. Cunningham and family; Eli Hopkins, Mr. and Mrs. Geo. Rickus, Jr., and children; Mr. and Mrs. J. J. Kollmeyer and family; Mrs. Agnes Powell and daughter, Miss Katie; Daniel Hoehn and children; John Hoehn; Mr. and Mrs. T. P. Pigg; Mr. and Mrs. Morris Griffin and baby daughter; Mr. and Mrs. John Mell and baby; Miss Agnes Hopkins, John Hopkins; Clarence Cunningham and son; Mr. and Mrs. C. C. Rickus and children; Mr. and Mrs. Noah Meyer and children; Mr. and Mrs. Geo. Mackley and baby; Mr. and Mrs. Fritz Rickus and family; Mr. and Mrs. Peter Mell and family; Mr. and Mrs. Wm. H. Counts and daughter, Haden; and Tony Hager.

Wow! Thank you to everyone who helped with this!! You all have been fantastic. Per the 1900 census, I believed William/Martha (House) Sutherland had no living children. It's a major surprise to discover that there was one living son, Woodard Louis Sutherland, and that he ended up with such a large family! There's a lot more to follow up on than I suspected! I'm replying to the St. Francois list with the census results in case anyone searches the archives for this family in the future. To date, I have 131 page simple outline of this Sutherland family dating back to 1786, and will be happy to share the information. -Kay, FL SUTHERLAND Census Records: 1880 GERMAN TWP, Marquand, MADISON Co, MO pg. 28 sheet 68 (Tilson Sutherland's family lives close - sheet 69) Sutherland (Sutturland): William. M. 35 IN IN IN Wagon Maker Martha E. 27 MO MO MO Wodward 1 1900 GERMAN TWP MADISON Co, MO (There is a William L. House, age 51 MO PA PA farmer, w/wife Insam/Susan, age 29 as a neighbor; this could be Martha E's father.) SUTHERLAND: - WILLIAM 56 M W IN IN IN farmer - Mattie E. 47 MO IN IN (Census incorrectly lists 0 children/0 living) - Elender D. 79 wd mother IN IN IN (Census incorrectly lists 10 children/3 living) 1900 GERMAN TWP MADISON Co, MO (Next door to William and Martha) SUTHERLAND: - Louis 25 M W MO MO MO farmer - Carrie 21 IL IL IL md. 3 yrs. - Luther 2 1910 GERMAN TWP MADISON Co, MO SOUTHERLAND: - WILLIAM 65 IN IN IN Wagon Woodwork - Martha E. 56 MO MO MO 1910 Elvins, St. Francois Co., MO Southerland: - W.L., age 32/1877 b. MO, IN MO married 13 years, - Carrie - Luther 12/1898 MO - Raymond 9/1901 MO - Irvan 10/1900 MO - Esther 7/1903 MO 1920 St. Francois, St. Francois Co., MO - Lew Southerland 43 fireman - lead mill - Carrie Southerland 40 - Raymond Southerland 18 coal belt man - lead mill - Freddie Southerland 16 - Lestie Southerland 13 (Faith Ester?) - Herbert Southerland 7 - Melvin Southerland 9/12 - Matty Southerland 60 mother 1920 2-WD MOMENCE KANKAKEE Co., IL SUTHERLAND: - LUTHER 21 M W MO boarder [Chestnut Street]; employment as -?- & telephone 1930 Blue Island, Cook, Illinois - Willard L Southerland 56 - Carne M Southerland 51 - Faith E Southerland 24 - Herbert E Southerland 18 - Melvin E Southerland 11 ------------------------------------------------------- Subj: Could someone check the last two childrens names on the St. Francois 1910 census  Date: 1/7/2009 2:03:29 AM Eastern Standard Time From: MehdiFakhar To: mostfran@rootsweb.com I goofed back when I had the ancestry subscription and didn't notice 2 additional names should be included on the next page.  (based on '4' children living in the 1910 census) The below census listing was on sheet 10B, so I imagine the next two names would appear on 11A. 1910 Randolph Twnship, Elvins, St. Francois Co. Census Household 191/200 Southerland - W.L., age 32/1877 b. MO, IN MO married 13 yrs - Carrie IL IL IL 4 children/4 living - Luther 1898 MO - Raymond 1901 MO This Woodard Louis/Lewis Sutherland family lived in Flat River in 1920, but I wasn't able to locate them in the census. If anyone is able to also copy/paste the image or transcribe the family in the 1920 or 1930 census, I would be very appreciative. The name is actually SUTHERLAND, but often misspelled Southerland.  Any leads on this family would be wonderful! Thanks!! -Kay, FL Background: Woodard Louis Sutherland was the son of William W. and Martha/Mattie E. (House) Sutherland of Madison County, MO. 1900 GERMAN TWP MADISON Co, MO (There is a neighbor, William L. House, age 51 MO PA PA farmer, w/wife Susan, age 29; this could be Martha E's father.) SUTHERLAND: - WILLIAM   56 M W  IN IN IN farmer - Mattie E.   47          MO IN IN  (Census incorrectly lists 0 children/0 living) - Elender D. 79 wd mother IN IN IN  (Census incorrectly lists 10 children/3 living) 1900 GERMAN TWP MADISON Co, MO (Next door to William and Martha) SUTHERLAND: - Louis   25 M W MO MO MO farmer - Carrie 21 IL IL IL md. 3 yrs. - Luther 2 1910  GERMAN TWP MADISON Co, MO SOUTHERLAND: - WILLIAM   65 M W  IN IN IN Wagon Woodwork - Martha E.  56         MO MO MO 1910 Randolph Twnship, Elvins, St. Francois Co. Census Household 191/200 Southerland - W.L., age 32/1877 b. MO, IN MO married 13 years, - Carrie IL IL IL 4 children/4 living - Luther 1898 MO - Raymond 1901 MO. 1920 - W.L. Sutherland of Flat River was the informant on his mother's 1920 death cert. Whitener Cemetery, Madison County Sutherland, L.M.        10/2/1880 - 12/12/1880      daughter of WW & ME Sutherland Sutherland, Martha    1853 - 9/19/1920 (no stone)  wife of Wm. Sutherland Sutherland, Wm. W.  1845 IN - 4/30/1915            Civil War Soldier ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215047751x1200957972/aol?redir=http://www. freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62)

I do not find them in 1930. B In a message dated 1/7/2009 2:04:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, MehdiFakhar@aol.com writes: I goofed back when I had the ancestry subscription and didn't notice 2 additional names should be included on the next page. (based on '4' children living in the 1910 census) The below census listing was on sheet 10B, so I imagine the next two names would appear on 11A. 1910 Randolph Twnship, Elvins, St. Francois Co. Census Household 191/200 Southerland - W.L., age 32/1877 b. MO, IN MO married 13 years, - Carrie IL IL IL 4 children/4 living - Luther 1898 MO - Raymond 1901 MO. This Woodard Louis/Lewis Sutherland family lived in Flat River in 1920, but I wasn't able to locate them in the census. If anyone is able to also copy/paste the image or transcribe the family in the 1920 or 1930 census, I would be very appreciative. The name is actually SUTHERLAND, but often misspelled Southerland. Any leads on this family would be wonderful! Thanks!! -Kay, FL Background: Woodard Louis Sutherland was the son of William W. and Martha/Mattie E. (House) Sutherland of Madison County, MO. Census Records: 1880 - Madison County or Buchanan Co, MO ??? 1900 GERMAN TWP MADISON Co, MO (There is a neighbor, William L. House, age 51 MO PA PA farmer, w/wife Susan, age 29; this could be Martha E's father.) SUTHERLAND: - WILLIAM 56 M W IN IN IN farmer - Mattie E. 47 MO IN IN (Census incorrectly lists 0 children/0 living) - Elender D. 79 wd mother IN IN IN (Census incorrectly lists 10 children/3 living) 1900 GERMAN TWP MADISON Co, MO (Next door to William and Martha) SUTHERLAND: - Louis 25 M W MO MO MO farmer - Carrie 21 IL IL IL md. 3 yrs. - Luther 2 1910 GERMAN TWP MADISON Co, MO SOUTHERLAND: - WILLIAM 65 M W IN IN IN Wagon Woodwork - Martha E. 56 MO MO MO 1910 Randolph Twnship, Elvins, St. Francois Co. Census Household 191/200 Southerland - W.L., age 32/1877 b. MO, IN MO married 13 years, - Carrie IL IL IL 4 children/4 living - Luther 1898 MO - Raymond 1901 MO. 1920 - W.L. Sutherland of Flat River was the informant on his mother's 1920 death cert. Whitener Cemetery, Madison County Sutherland, L.M. 10/2/1880 - 12/12/1880 daughter of WW & ME Sutherland Sutherland, Martha 1853 - 9/19/1920 (no stone) wife of Wm. Sutherland Sutherland, Wm. W. 1845 IN - 4/30/1915 Civil War Soldier ************** Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000024) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I goofed back when I had the ancestry subscription and didn't notice 2 additional names should be included on the next page. (based on '4' children living in the 1910 census) The below census listing was on sheet 10B, so I imagine the next two names would appear on 11A. 1910 Randolph Twnship, Elvins, St. Francois Co. Census Household 191/200 Southerland - W.L., age 32/1877 b. MO, IN MO married 13 years, - Carrie IL IL IL 4 children/4 living - Luther 1898 MO - Raymond 1901 MO. This Woodard Louis/Lewis Sutherland family lived in Flat River in 1920, but I wasn't able to locate them in the census. If anyone is able to also copy/paste the image or transcribe the family in the 1920 or 1930 census, I would be very appreciative. The name is actually SUTHERLAND, but often misspelled Southerland. Any leads on this family would be wonderful! Thanks!! -Kay, FL Background: Woodard Louis Sutherland was the son of William W. and Martha/Mattie E. (House) Sutherland of Madison County, MO. Census Records: 1880 - Madison County or Buchanan Co, MO ??? 1900 GERMAN TWP MADISON Co, MO (There is a neighbor, William L. House, age 51 MO PA PA farmer, w/wife Susan, age 29; this could be Martha E's father.) SUTHERLAND: - WILLIAM 56 M W IN IN IN farmer - Mattie E. 47 MO IN IN (Census incorrectly lists 0 children/0 living) - Elender D. 79 wd mother IN IN IN (Census incorrectly lists 10 children/3 living) 1900 GERMAN TWP MADISON Co, MO (Next door to William and Martha) SUTHERLAND: - Louis 25 M W MO MO MO farmer - Carrie 21 IL IL IL md. 3 yrs. - Luther 2 1910 GERMAN TWP MADISON Co, MO SOUTHERLAND: - WILLIAM 65 M W IN IN IN Wagon Woodwork - Martha E. 56 MO MO MO 1910 Randolph Twnship, Elvins, St. Francois Co. Census Household 191/200 Southerland - W.L., age 32/1877 b. MO, IN MO married 13 years, - Carrie IL IL IL 4 children/4 living - Luther 1898 MO - Raymond 1901 MO. 1920 - W.L. Sutherland of Flat River was the informant on his mother's 1920 death cert. Whitener Cemetery, Madison County Sutherland, L.M. 10/2/1880 - 12/12/1880 daughter of WW & ME Sutherland Sutherland, Martha 1853 - 9/19/1920 (no stone) wife of Wm. Sutherland Sutherland, Wm. W. 1845 IN - 4/30/1915 Civil War Soldier ************** Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000024)

Next two children are: Southerland, Irvan M W 10 S MO MO MO Southerland, Esther Fe W 7 S MO MO MO The next page number is not 11A, it was marked 9 B, but the 19 had been crossed out and 19 written in, so as to make it 19B. Hope this helps, Joyce Nash-Wafford ----- Original Message ----- From: <MehdiFakhar@aol.com> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:03 PM Subject: [MOSTFRAN] Could someone check the last two childrens names on theSt. Francois 1910 census >I goofed back when I had the ancestry subscription and didn't notice 2 > additional names should be included on the next page. (based on '4' > children living > in the 1910 census) > > The below census listing was on sheet 10B, so I imagine the next two names > would appear on 11A. > > 1910 Randolph Twnship, Elvins, St. Francois Co. Census > Household 191/200 > Southerland > - W.L., age 32/1877 b. MO, IN MO married 13 years, > - Carrie IL IL IL 4 children/4 living > - Luther 1898 MO > - Raymond 1901 MO. > > This Woodard Louis/Lewis Sutherland family lived in Flat River in 1920, > but I > wasn't able to locate them in the census. > If anyone is able to also copy/paste the image or transcribe the family in > the 1920 or 1930 census, I would be very appreciative. > > The name is actually SUTHERLAND, but often misspelled Southerland. > > Any leads on this family would be wonderful! > Thanks!! > -Kay, FL > > Background: > > Woodard Louis Sutherland was the son of William W. and Martha/Mattie E. > (House) Sutherland of Madison County, MO. > > Census Records: 1880 - Madison County or Buchanan Co, MO ??? > > 1900 GERMAN TWP MADISON Co, MO > (There is a neighbor, William L. House, age 51 MO PA PA farmer, w/wife > Susan, > age 29; this could be Martha E's father.) > SUTHERLAND: > - WILLIAM 56 M W IN IN IN farmer > - Mattie E. 47 MO IN IN (Census incorrectly lists 0 children/0 > living) > - Elender D. 79 wd mother IN IN IN (Census incorrectly lists 10 > children/3 > living) > > 1900 GERMAN TWP MADISON Co, MO > (Next door to William and Martha) > SUTHERLAND: > - Louis 25 M W MO MO MO farmer > - Carrie 21 IL IL IL md. 3 yrs. > - Luther 2 > > 1910 GERMAN TWP MADISON Co, MO > SOUTHERLAND: > - WILLIAM 65 M W IN IN IN Wagon Woodwork > - Martha E. 56 MO MO MO > > 1910 Randolph Twnship, Elvins, St. Francois Co. Census > Household 191/200 > Southerland > - W.L., age 32/1877 b. MO, IN MO married 13 years, > - Carrie IL IL IL 4 children/4 living > - Luther 1898 MO > - Raymond 1901 MO. > > 1920 - W.L. Sutherland of Flat River was the informant on his mother's > 1920 > death cert. > > Whitener Cemetery, Madison County > Sutherland, L.M. 10/2/1880 - 12/12/1880 daughter of WW & ME > Sutherland > Sutherland, Martha 1853 - 9/19/1920 (no stone) wife of Wm. Sutherland > Sutherland, Wm. W. 1845 IN - 4/30/1915 Civil War Soldier > > > > ************** > Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to > celebrity break-ups and everything in between. > (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000024) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Denise,   I could not read the headings above the names, so I have written the # of the boxes next to my kin's name.   L[arkin] H[oward] Jones 5, 12   He is my direct ancestor.  He and his family lived in NC for way over 100 years. Mary J[ane] 9, 12   She is his second wife.  My kin is buried in KS.  I never liked her face in my mother's pictures.  She was married at least 4 times.  Her last husband's family would not let her be buried in their family plot.  I had heard my mother say that her father was so kind and let another person be buried in their family plot.  Must have been her as she is buried next to L H. William [Benjamin] 3, 12   Larkin's and Lucretia's son.  Second son. Frances [Ann Hues/Hughes] 7, 11   She is Mary Jane's daughter.  There was also an Amanda and a Joseph. There may have been another child by Jason Hues/Hughes.  Do not know what happened to him.  She was known as Frankie.  She later married my William above and had six children. Her Carl and Joseph died young. Kate 8, 12    Cannot remember her full name of which part was Catherine.  She had a child and then married a Mr Keys. Maud 7, 11   Child of Larkin.  Cannot remember her full name. James P[erkins] 1. 0   His name was originally Perkins James, if I remember correctly.  He married a Sarah.  Do not think that they had any children.  Lived in Mo.  My mother said he was known as Perk. Margaret 7, 11   Cannot remember her full name.  Child of Larkin.  Believe she marred twice?  One husband was a Jones.  She died in Il. Lucretia 6, 11    Cannot remember her full name.  She was 6 mo when Larkin and Lucretia left NC for KS originally.  Larkin and Lucretia ran out of money and had to stay in Mo and stay with Larkin's aunt, Wm and Nancy Jones Downs in Madison Co. in 1869.  Their house burned down.  They had been the son and daughter of the two wealthest people in the Taylorville area.  LH had to drive a cart and charcoal to have money. Ida B[ell] 6, 0   Daughter of Larkin and Mary J.  There would be another daughter. Amanda 8, 0   This one is very very interesting to me!!!!  She could be Frankie's sister, but both Frankie and she are shown as Jones.  I do not rmember when Will above and Frankie married.  He could have been 20ish and that would be why Frankie is shown as Jones.  I had known until this minute that Will's eldest brother, John Wilson Jones had married a woman named Amanda.  I have not been able to find them at all.  Larkin wrote a letter stating that those two had gone to visit family in KS, Crawford Co.  They do not show there in 1880.  Just now, I am wondering if this Amanda is John Wilson's wife and also Frankie's sister?????? Joseph 2, 11   Who is this child???  The marked box shows that this child is young.  So, this child canot be Frankie's brother.  Her brother did live with Will and Frankie, later on, but I do not remember his age.  Will had a child with Frankie named Joseph, but I do not remember his age and he died young.  Since this child is listed after Amanda, could this be a child of John Wilson and Amanda Jones??????? John Grammer 3. 0   This is a child of Mary Jane and her second husband, Mr Grammer.  Know no more about this child or his father.  Interesting he is listed after the Jones and not under Mary Jane.   So thanks to Denise, I know far more about these Jones, and yet brings up more questions.  Again, my computer is dead and I cannot look up things.  There is another child of Larkin and Lucretia who does not show here.  I think her name was Susanah and she died in childbirth.  I found a girl who was living as a servant and could have been the one I am looking for.  Do not know if she married or not.  She might have died in the 80's.   Thank you Denise ever sooo much.  Now I need the Cemetery burials and newspaper articles if there are any.   Frankie is buried as is L H in Doe Run.  I think Frankie might have had TB as my uncle said that Will took her to Silver City, NM.  I was there a couple of years ago and there is absolutely NO old history at all!!!!!   Alanna  

Sorry - this is not showing up as a link. Can you repost? Linda Young Nehring -----Original Message----- From: woodpilegenology@bellsouth.net To: mostfran@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 7:37 pm Subject: [MOSTFRAN] penny postcards - 2nd try to do it right What did your town look like according to Penny Postcards? Great history lesson! Check out your old stomping grounds during the times of the penny postcard. By the way, very few of us were alive when postcards only cost 1¢. Click on the state and then on the county name to see old penny postcards from that area...pretty neat. Click here>> Penny Postcards . __,_._,___ _________________________________________________________ Attachment 1: Fw_ Penny Postcards....eml (message/rfc822) WARNING: This e-mail is a suspected phishing scam. Change your options to hide images within all messages. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message