Thank you, Kay. Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: <MehdiFakhar@aol.com> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com>; <bkwofc@i1.net> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] (no subject) In answer to Joyce's question to Bettye, on the Mackley obit site, Mrs. Mary Easter is referred to as Grandma. -Kay, FL Bettye, Any idea who "GRANDMA EASTER" is, that they are referring to in this article? Thanks, Joyce Nash-Wafford Selma, CA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Bettye. Darryl Lawson sent me the same information after seeing my post to you on the List. Hope all is well in your neighborhood and you are enjoying the summer. Hugs and God Bless, Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Warner" <bkwofc@i1.net> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Sudden Death of Josephine Ringer (1945) > Joyce, > The article "might" be referring to Mary Easter (nee > Cronk). She had a son named Charles Easter who was > married to Mary Forchee Easter. On her obit she's refered > to as "Grandma Easter". She died when she was 96 years > old. > Bettye > > > On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:27:55 -0700 > "Joyce D Wafford" <ograndma1@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> Bettye, >> >> Any idea who "GRANDMA EASTER" is, that they are >>referring to in this >> article? >> >> Thanks, >> Joyce Nash-Wafford >> Selma, CA >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>From: "B. Warner" <bkwofc@i1.net> >> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 12:28 PM >> Subject: [MOSTFRAN] Sudden Death of Josephine Ringer >>(1945) >> >> >>> The Star News Register, Bonne Terre, Missouri. >>> Thursday, August 30, 1945. >>> >>> SUDDEN DEATH IS INVESTIGATED HERE. >>> Mrs. John Ringer Dies After Family Scuffle. >>> >>> Mrs. Josephine Ringer, 68, of Bonne Terre, Route Two, >>>died >>> about 7:30 o'clock Tuesday evening, August 28th at her >>> home in Moontown. Her death was "due to heart trouble >>> caused by excitement," according to a coroner's jury, at >>> the inquest of her death held at Benham's Undertaking >>> Parlor Wednesday afternoon at four o'clock. >>> >>> According to testimony given by Mr. and Mrs. Charles >>> Ringer and Willard Ringer, as well as neighbors, James >>> Pyeatt and "Grandma" Easter, a marital battle between >>>Eli >>> White and his wife, Mrs. Ada White, daughter of Mrs. >>> Ringer, was the indirect cause of Mrs. Ringer's fatal >>>fall >>> Tuesday evening. All of the witnesses called by >>> Prosecuting Attorney W. E. Coffer and his assistant, K. >>>C. >>> Weber testified that Mrs. Ringer had a bruise on her >>>face, >>> which they seemed to believe must have been caused when >>> she fell. They seemed to think that she hit her head on >>> the newel post of the stairway as she fell. Dr. F. >>> Welebir was brought to the Ringer home immediately by >>> Willard Ringer. He pronounced Mrs. Ringer dead. He had >>> been her physician for almost a year and had repeatedly >>> warned her family of her chronic heart condition. >>> >>> It was understood from the testimony brought out at the >>> inquest, that the Whites, who lived upstairs in the >>>Ringer >>> home, were always fighting. During the abuse of his >>>wife, >>> Tuesday evening, it is believed that Eli White cut his >>> hand as his fist hit a door pane, breaking the glass. >>> He >>> is reported to have grabbed an icepick and started for >>>his >>> wife when Mrs. Ringer chose to interfere for her >>>daughter. >>> Somehow in the scuffle, Mrs. Ringer fell. No one seemed >>> to be able to recount the actual happenings, although, >>> according to the testimonies, Ada White's screams had >>> summoned Mr. Pyeatt, a neighbor, and his brothers from >>> next door. "Grandma" Easter was at the Ringer home >>> visiting. >>> >>> Eli White was arrested Tuesday evening on North Division >>> Street by Deputy Sheriff Arthur Miller and confined to >>>the >>> county jail at Farmington. According to Prosecuting >>> Attorney Coffer a charge of manslaughter has been filed >>> against him. A preliminary hearing will be held in >>> Bonne >>> Terre within a few days. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>>'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Boyer just recently purchased the Caldwell Funeral Home in Park Hills, just last week I think. Hopefully Caldwell kept equally good records as Boyer has done and those will be available for people to research as well. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN]AndrewJacksonWallaceandwifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace > In regards to my statement, "I was there in June 2007, and they traced my > NASH burials way back." Boyer made copies of burial records on some of my > NASH Families who are buried in the NASH Family on Primrose Road north of > Bonne Terre. The earliest burial that I got from them was 1889. > > I have my MASH / NASH family and its many extended families on my Family > Tree, "The Webs We Weave" posted on Tribal Pages. The address is: > http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/jdwafford > The website is not open to the public at this moment, however, you may > read > my Home Page, and you may take a look at the Family Surnames that I have > listed, close to 40,000. I have my MASH / NASH family line traced back to > late 1635, when they came over from England, landing in Hingham Bay, MA. > > I have been doing my family research since December of 1999, night and > day. > I enjoy it tremendously and try to prove everything as closely as > possible. > I belong to Ancestry.com, I use Census Records, Land Records, Birth, > Marriage and Death Records, Tax Records, and of course Family information > and Records kept by family members. I have had many people help me, and I > try to help as many people in return as I can. I do not put people down > for > their research. > > By the way, I even have some LYON Family members listed, who married into > my > KETCHERSIDE Family Line. Perhaps part of them is your own family. > > > God Bless, > Joyce Nash-Wafford > Selma, CA > > > > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Euel B. Lyon" <ublyon@charter.net> > To: <MOSTFRAN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 9:37 AM > Subject: Re: > [MOSTFRAN]AndrewJacksonWallaceandwifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace > > >> To those who took offense at my e-mail to the St. Francois Co., Mo. list >> I >> apologize. I retract the following verbiage from my original e-mail: >> >> "After that the I would be lying if I thought the last 3 postings added >> anything of a genuine genealogical nature to the original question." >> >> Upon subsequent review, I found that these 3 statements contained >> valuable >> information regarding researching in St. Francois Co., Mo. and especially >> for the C. Z. Boyer & Son Funeral Home Inc. firm (note: C. Z. Boyer & Son >> Funeral Home Inc. now have 3 establishments [Bonne Terre, Desloge and >> Leadwood, Mo.] because you now have 3 places to call to see if they ever >> had a fire or lost some records) >> >> Also for all the NASH researchers, now you now that the firm traced your >> lineage "way back." Not sure where "way back" is or was or when but now >> you know. >> >> 1. "I am not positive but to my knowledge, Boyer has never had a fire." >> >> 2. "I was there in June 2007, and they traced my NASH burials way back." >> >> 3. "Thank you - I think I checked with them years ago, and if my >> memory serves me right (it may not) seems like they told me they had a >> fire and some records were lost - but I'll again check my paper files." >> >> Also with regards to the following: >> >> "----- Original Message ----- >> From: jwhaleykzoo >> To: mostfran@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:02 AM >> Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] >> AndrewJacksonWallaceandwifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace >> >> >> In response to Euel B. Lyon's posting which is below, I want to state >> that I got a couple of ideas for my genealogical research from the >> general chatting. This was despite the fact that the people they were >> talking about have nothing to do with my research. What appears >> boring and useless to one person might actually have a point to someone >> else. I'd like for them to keep chatting in case I can glean something >> else. From my perspective, when in doubt, chat. Those who don't >> appreciate it can just delete it." >> >> Also regarding: >> >> "----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ruth Carver >> To: mostfran@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:15 AM >> Subject: Re: >> [MOSTFRAN]AndrewJacksonWallaceandwifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace >> >> >> Enough said, thank you. I thought it might help many others to know that >> Boyer never had a fire and that is a good place to do research. If we >> had >> been talking about what we had for dinner or perhaps what we plan to do >> tomorrow that is one thing but when chatting about the subject at hand, >> it >> can help many people and if it is of no interest to you, then use the >> delete button, that is what it is for. >> Ruth" >> >> I agree "gleaning" is good and one of the reasons that websites like St. >> Francois Co., Mo exists so subscribers can share GENEALOGICAL INFORMATION >> and I think we can agree that we may find something of interest to us >> even >> if it does not pertain to our own research and in some cases we find that >> it will directly or indirectly lead to us finding additional information >> about our main and peripheral lines of research. >> >> I think a lot of subscribers fail to realize or forget that" >> >> "Please note that all messages posted to this mailing list are also >> added to the list archives on RootsWeb.com" >> >> If one takes time to read the information that was available at the time >> the subscriber signed up for St. Francois Co., Mo. and remains available >> to the subscriber as long as they properly follow the guidelines provided >> by Rootsweb, then I believe one would see that talking about extraneous >> subjects just wastes other subscribers time and also uses up valuable >> storage space that Rootsweb has graciously provided to the web site - and >> that pertains to St. Francois Co., Mo. and Washington, Iron, Madison, >> Crawford, Jefferson, Ste. Genevieve Co.'s and all county's / parishes in >> the U.S.A. >> >> I hear what ya'll are saying but are you reading what ya'll should have >> read in the first place? >> >> By the way, I am eating crow for dinner. >> >> Euel B. Lyon Jr. >> >> p.s. If ya'll want to continue to nit pick and rant and rave when ya'll >> are not on solid ground. go ahead. As for me I have a life to lead and I >> am getting on with it. Happy researching and make sure you know who >> burned >> down and when. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ruth Carver >> To: mostfran@rootsweb.com >> >> I am not positive but to my knowledge, Boyer has never had a fire. Ruth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joyce D Wafford" ograndma1@sbcglobal.net >> To: mostfran@rootsweb.com >> >> I was there in June 2007, and they traced my NASH burials way back. >> >> Good Luck >> Joyce >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marlene Shake" pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net >> To: mostfran@rootsweb.com >> >> Joyce - Thank you - I think I checked with them years ago, and if my >> memory serves me right (it may not) seems like they told me they had a >> fire and some records were lost - but I'll again check my paper files. >> >> Thanks again for your help. >> >> Marlene >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joyce D Wafford ograndma1@sbcglobal.net >> To: abkelly1@yahoo.com; mostfran@rootsweb.com >> >> Boyers Funeral Home in Bonne Terre has been very helpful with my NASH >> Family as well. I would definitely suggest checking with them or any of >> the other Funeral Directors in the area. >> >> Good luck with your research. >> >> Joyce Nash-Wafford >> Selma, CA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In answer to Joyce's question to Bettye, on the Mackley obit site, Mrs. Mary Easter is referred to as Grandma.  -Kay, FL Bettye, Any idea who "GRANDMA EASTER" is, that they are referring to in this article? Thanks, Joyce Nash-Wafford Selma, CA

Joyce, The article "might" be referring to Mary Easter (nee Cronk). She had a son named Charles Easter who was married to Mary Forchee Easter. On her obit she's refered to as "Grandma Easter". She died when she was 96 years old. Bettye On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:27:55 -0700 "Joyce D Wafford" <ograndma1@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Bettye, > > Any idea who "GRANDMA EASTER" is, that they are >referring to in this > article? > > Thanks, > Joyce Nash-Wafford > Selma, CA > > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "B. Warner" <bkwofc@i1.net> > To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 12:28 PM > Subject: [MOSTFRAN] Sudden Death of Josephine Ringer >(1945) > > >> The Star News Register, Bonne Terre, Missouri. >> Thursday, August 30, 1945. >> >> SUDDEN DEATH IS INVESTIGATED HERE. >> Mrs. John Ringer Dies After Family Scuffle. >> >> Mrs. Josephine Ringer, 68, of Bonne Terre, Route Two, >>died >> about 7:30 o'clock Tuesday evening, August 28th at her >> home in Moontown. Her death was "due to heart trouble >> caused by excitement," according to a coroner's jury, at >> the inquest of her death held at Benham's Undertaking >> Parlor Wednesday afternoon at four o'clock. >> >> According to testimony given by Mr. and Mrs. Charles >> Ringer and Willard Ringer, as well as neighbors, James >> Pyeatt and "Grandma" Easter, a marital battle between >>Eli >> White and his wife, Mrs. Ada White, daughter of Mrs. >> Ringer, was the indirect cause of Mrs. Ringer's fatal >>fall >> Tuesday evening. All of the witnesses called by >> Prosecuting Attorney W. E. Coffer and his assistant, K. >>C. >> Weber testified that Mrs. Ringer had a bruise on her >>face, >> which they seemed to believe must have been caused when >> she fell. They seemed to think that she hit her head on >> the newel post of the stairway as she fell. Dr. F. >> Welebir was brought to the Ringer home immediately by >> Willard Ringer. He pronounced Mrs. Ringer dead. He had >> been her physician for almost a year and had repeatedly >> warned her family of her chronic heart condition. >> >> It was understood from the testimony brought out at the >> inquest, that the Whites, who lived upstairs in the >>Ringer >> home, were always fighting. During the abuse of his >>wife, >> Tuesday evening, it is believed that Eli White cut his >> hand as his fist hit a door pane, breaking the glass. >> He >> is reported to have grabbed an icepick and started for >>his >> wife when Mrs. Ringer chose to interfere for her >>daughter. >> Somehow in the scuffle, Mrs. Ringer fell. No one seemed >> to be able to recount the actual happenings, although, >> according to the testimonies, Ada White's screams had >> summoned Mr. Pyeatt, a neighbor, and his brothers from >> next door. "Grandma" Easter was at the Ringer home >> visiting. >> >> Eli White was arrested Tuesday evening on North Division >> Street by Deputy Sheriff Arthur Miller and confined to >>the >> county jail at Farmington. According to Prosecuting >> Attorney Coffer a charge of manslaughter has been filed >> against him. A preliminary hearing will be held in >> Bonne >> Terre within a few days. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >message

To those who took offense at my e-mail to the St. Francois Co., Mo. list I apologize. I retract the following verbiage from my original e-mail: "After that the I would be lying if I thought the last 3 postings added anything of a genuine genealogical nature to the original question." Upon subsequent review, I found that these 3 statements contained valuable information regarding researching in St. Francois Co., Mo. and especially for the C. Z. Boyer & Son Funeral Home Inc. firm (note: C. Z. Boyer & Son Funeral Home Inc. now have 3 establishments [Bonne Terre, Desloge and Leadwood, Mo.] because you now have 3 places to call to see if they ever had a fire or lost some records) Also for all the NASH researchers, now you now that the firm traced your lineage "way back." Not sure where "way back" is or was or when but now you know. 1. "I am not positive but to my knowledge, Boyer has never had a fire." 2. "I was there in June 2007, and they traced my NASH burials way back." 3. "Thank you - I think I checked with them years ago, and if my memory serves me right (it may not) seems like they told me they had a fire and some records were lost - but I'll again check my paper files." Also with regards to the following: "----- Original Message ----- From: jwhaleykzoo To: mostfran@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] AndrewJacksonWallaceandwifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace In response to Euel B. Lyon's posting which is below, I want to state that I got a couple of ideas for my genealogical research from the general chatting. This was despite the fact that the people they were talking about have nothing to do with my research. What appears boring and useless to one person might actually have a point to someone else. I'd like for them to keep chatting in case I can glean something else. From my perspective, when in doubt, chat. Those who don't appreciate it can just delete it." Also regarding: "----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth Carver To: mostfran@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN]AndrewJacksonWallaceandwifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace Enough said, thank you. I thought it might help many others to know that Boyer never had a fire and that is a good place to do research. If we had been talking about what we had for dinner or perhaps what we plan to do tomorrow that is one thing but when chatting about the subject at hand, it can help many people and if it is of no interest to you, then use the delete button, that is what it is for. Ruth" I agree "gleaning" is good and one of the reasons that websites like St. Francois Co., Mo exists so subscribers can share GENEALOGICAL INFORMATION and I think we can agree that we may find something of interest to us even if it does not pertain to our own research and in some cases we find that it will directly or indirectly lead to us finding additional information about our main and peripheral lines of research. I think a lot of subscribers fail to realize or forget that" "Please note that all messages posted to this mailing list are also added to the list archives on RootsWeb.com" If one takes time to read the information that was available at the time the subscriber signed up for St. Francois Co., Mo. and remains available to the subscriber as long as they properly follow the guidelines provided by Rootsweb, then I believe one would see that talking about extraneous subjects just wastes other subscribers time and also uses up valuable storage space that Rootsweb has graciously provided to the web site - and that pertains to St. Francois Co., Mo. and Washington, Iron, Madison, Crawford, Jefferson, Ste. Genevieve Co.'s and all county's / parishes in the U.S.A. I hear what ya'll are saying but are you reading what ya'll should have read in the first place? By the way, I am eating crow for dinner. Euel B. Lyon Jr. p.s. If ya'll want to continue to nit pick and rant and rave when ya'll are not on solid ground. go ahead. As for me I have a life to lead and I am getting on with it. Happy researching and make sure you know who burned down and when. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth Carver To: mostfran@rootsweb.com I am not positive but to my knowledge, Boyer has never had a fire. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce D Wafford" ograndma1@sbcglobal.net To: mostfran@rootsweb.com I was there in June 2007, and they traced my NASH burials way back. Good Luck Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shake" pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net To: mostfran@rootsweb.com Joyce - Thank you - I think I checked with them years ago, and if my memory serves me right (it may not) seems like they told me they had a fire and some records were lost - but I'll again check my paper files. Thanks again for your help. Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Joyce D Wafford ograndma1@sbcglobal.net To: abkelly1@yahoo.com; mostfran@rootsweb.com Boyers Funeral Home in Bonne Terre has been very helpful with my NASH Family as well. I would definitely suggest checking with them or any of the other Funeral Directors in the area. Good luck with your research. Joyce Nash-Wafford Selma, CA

In regards to my statement, "I was there in June 2007, and they traced my NASH burials way back." Boyer made copies of burial records on some of my NASH Families who are buried in the NASH Family on Primrose Road north of Bonne Terre. The earliest burial that I got from them was 1889. I have my MASH / NASH family and its many extended families on my Family Tree, "The Webs We Weave" posted on Tribal Pages. The address is: http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/jdwafford The website is not open to the public at this moment, however, you may read my Home Page, and you may take a look at the Family Surnames that I have listed, close to 40,000. I have my MASH / NASH family line traced back to late 1635, when they came over from England, landing in Hingham Bay, MA. I have been doing my family research since December of 1999, night and day. I enjoy it tremendously and try to prove everything as closely as possible. I belong to Ancestry.com, I use Census Records, Land Records, Birth, Marriage and Death Records, Tax Records, and of course Family information and Records kept by family members. I have had many people help me, and I try to help as many people in return as I can. I do not put people down for their research. By the way, I even have some LYON Family members listed, who married into my KETCHERSIDE Family Line. Perhaps part of them is your own family. God Bless, Joyce Nash-Wafford Selma, CA - Original Message ----- From: "Euel B. Lyon" <ublyon@charter.net> To: <MOSTFRAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN]AndrewJacksonWallaceandwifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace > To those who took offense at my e-mail to the St. Francois Co., Mo. list I > apologize. I retract the following verbiage from my original e-mail: > > "After that the I would be lying if I thought the last 3 postings added > anything of a genuine genealogical nature to the original question." > > Upon subsequent review, I found that these 3 statements contained valuable > information regarding researching in St. Francois Co., Mo. and especially > for the C. Z. Boyer & Son Funeral Home Inc. firm (note: C. Z. Boyer & Son > Funeral Home Inc. now have 3 establishments [Bonne Terre, Desloge and > Leadwood, Mo.] because you now have 3 places to call to see if they ever > had a fire or lost some records) > > Also for all the NASH researchers, now you now that the firm traced your > lineage "way back." Not sure where "way back" is or was or when but now > you know. > > 1. "I am not positive but to my knowledge, Boyer has never had a fire." > > 2. "I was there in June 2007, and they traced my NASH burials way back." > > 3. "Thank you - I think I checked with them years ago, and if my > memory serves me right (it may not) seems like they told me they had a > fire and some records were lost - but I'll again check my paper files." > > Also with regards to the following: > > "----- Original Message ----- > From: jwhaleykzoo > To: mostfran@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:02 AM > Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] > AndrewJacksonWallaceandwifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace > > > In response to Euel B. Lyon's posting which is below, I want to state > that I got a couple of ideas for my genealogical research from the > general chatting. This was despite the fact that the people they were > talking about have nothing to do with my research. What appears > boring and useless to one person might actually have a point to someone > else. I'd like for them to keep chatting in case I can glean something > else. From my perspective, when in doubt, chat. Those who don't > appreciate it can just delete it." > > Also regarding: > > "----- Original Message ----- > From: Ruth Carver > To: mostfran@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: > [MOSTFRAN]AndrewJacksonWallaceandwifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace > > > Enough said, thank you. I thought it might help many others to know that > Boyer never had a fire and that is a good place to do research. If we had > been talking about what we had for dinner or perhaps what we plan to do > tomorrow that is one thing but when chatting about the subject at hand, it > can help many people and if it is of no interest to you, then use the > delete button, that is what it is for. > Ruth" > > I agree "gleaning" is good and one of the reasons that websites like St. > Francois Co., Mo exists so subscribers can share GENEALOGICAL INFORMATION > and I think we can agree that we may find something of interest to us even > if it does not pertain to our own research and in some cases we find that > it will directly or indirectly lead to us finding additional information > about our main and peripheral lines of research. > > I think a lot of subscribers fail to realize or forget that" > > "Please note that all messages posted to this mailing list are also > added to the list archives on RootsWeb.com" > > If one takes time to read the information that was available at the time > the subscriber signed up for St. Francois Co., Mo. and remains available > to the subscriber as long as they properly follow the guidelines provided > by Rootsweb, then I believe one would see that talking about extraneous > subjects just wastes other subscribers time and also uses up valuable > storage space that Rootsweb has graciously provided to the web site - and > that pertains to St. Francois Co., Mo. and Washington, Iron, Madison, > Crawford, Jefferson, Ste. Genevieve Co.'s and all county's / parishes in > the U.S.A. > > I hear what ya'll are saying but are you reading what ya'll should have > read in the first place? > > By the way, I am eating crow for dinner. > > Euel B. Lyon Jr. > > p.s. If ya'll want to continue to nit pick and rant and rave when ya'll > are not on solid ground. go ahead. As for me I have a life to lead and I > am getting on with it. Happy researching and make sure you know who burned > down and when. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ruth Carver > To: mostfran@rootsweb.com > > I am not positive but to my knowledge, Boyer has never had a fire. Ruth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce D Wafford" ograndma1@sbcglobal.net > To: mostfran@rootsweb.com > > I was there in June 2007, and they traced my NASH burials way back. > > Good Luck > Joyce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marlene Shake" pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net > To: mostfran@rootsweb.com > > Joyce - Thank you - I think I checked with them years ago, and if my > memory serves me right (it may not) seems like they told me they had a > fire and some records were lost - but I'll again check my paper files. > > Thanks again for your help. > > Marlene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joyce D Wafford ograndma1@sbcglobal.net > To: abkelly1@yahoo.com; mostfran@rootsweb.com > > Boyers Funeral Home in Bonne Terre has been very helpful with my NASH > Family as well. I would definitely suggest checking with them or any of > the other Funeral Directors in the area. > > Good luck with your research. > > Joyce Nash-Wafford > Selma, CA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In response to Euel B. Lyon's posting which is below, I want to state that I got a couple of ideas for my genealogical research from the general chatting. This was despite the fact that the people they were talking about have nothing to do with my research. What appears boring and useless to one person might actually have a point to someone else. I'd like for them to keep chatting in case I can glean something else. From my perspective, when in doubt, chat. Those who don't appreciate it can just delete it. Beginning with Ms. Shake's posting to the list on 8/25/2010 and continuing through Ms. Wofford's reply on 8/27/2010, I believe most people would agree with me that the correspondence to the list was genealogical in nature and the questions and answer posted to the list could benefit most people who subscribe to the St. Francois Co., Mo. list. After that the I would be lying if I thought the last 3 postings added anything of a genuine genealogical nature to the original question. I can see Ms. Shake saying "thank you" publicly versus privately but after that seems like somebody got hold of my late sister's Chatty Cathy doll and are just pulling her string to here her talk.

Enough said, thank you. I thought it might help many others to know that Boyer never had a fire and that is a good place to do research. If we had been talking about what we had for dinner or perhaps what we plan to do tomorrow that is one thing but when chatting about the subject at hand, it can help many people and if it is of no interest to you, then use the delete button, that is what it is for. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwhaleykzoo" <jwhaleykzoo@gmail.com> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] AndrewJacksonWallaceandwifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace > In response to Euel B. Lyon's posting which is below, I want to state > that I got a couple of ideas for my genealogical research from the > general chatting. This was despite the fact that the people they were > talking about have nothing to do with my research. What appears > boring and useless to one person might actually have a point to someone > else. I'd like for them to keep chatting in case I can glean something > else. From my perspective, when in doubt, chat. Those who don't > appreciate it can just delete it. > > Beginning with Ms. Shake's posting to the list on 8/25/2010 and > continuing through Ms. Wofford's reply on 8/27/2010, I believe most > people would agree with me that the correspondence to the list was > genealogical in nature and the questions and answer posted to the list > could benefit most people who subscribe to the St. Francois Co., Mo. > list. After that the I would be lying if I thought the last 3 postings > added anything of a genuine genealogical nature to the original > question. I can see Ms. Shake saying "thank you" publicly versus > privately but after that seems like somebody got hold of my late > sister's Chatty Cathy doll and are just pulling her string to here her > talk. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just happened to like those posts and I LEARNED SOME THINGS.  Shannon Co had fires as lots of place in your wild west had them.  Wish my relatives had been buried by that place and see how short my post is!!!   And I am NOT a liar!!!! --- On Sun, 8/29/10, Euel B. Lyon <ublyon@charter.net> wrote: From: Euel B. Lyon <ublyon@charter.net> Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew JacksonWallaceandwifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace To: MOSTFRAN@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 7:51 PM Beginning with Ms. Shake's posting to the list on 8/25/2010 and continuing through Ms. Wofford's reply on 8/27/2010, I believe most people would agree with me that the correspondence to the list was genealogical in nature and the questions and answer posted to the list could benefit most people who subscribe to the St. Francois Co., Mo. list. After that the I would be lying if I thought the last 3 postings added anything of a genuine genealogical nature to the original question. I can see Ms. Shake saying "thank you" publicly versus privately but after that seems like somebody got hold of my late sister's Chatty Cathy doll and are just pulling her string to here her talk. There are times when some individuals seem to think that the St. Francois Co. website is sort of a "Facebook" for people who are interested in genealogy. Give us a break. If you want to chat, there are over 500 million people who like to chat and there is no doubt in my mind that some of them are interested in genealogy and perhaps even in St. Francois Co., Mo. Euel p.s. if anyone thinks there is gender bias in anything I have written above I think you would be lying. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth Carver To: mostfran@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew JacksonWallaceandwifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace I am not positive but to my knowledge, Boyer has never had a fire.  Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce D Wafford" <ograndma1@sbcglobal.net> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline Wilson Wallace I was there in June 2007, and they traced my NASH burials way back. Good Luck Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shake" <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline Wilson Wallace Joyce - Thank you - I think I checked with them years ago, and if my memory serves me right (it may not) seems like they told me they had a fire and some records were lost - but I'll again check my paper files. Thanks again for your help. Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Joyce D Wafford <ograndma1@sbcglobal.net> To: abkelly1@yahoo.com; mostfran@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 9:22:07 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline Wilson Wallace Boyers Funeral Home in Bonne Terre has been very helpful with my NASH Family as well.  I would definitely suggest checking with them or any of the other Funeral Directors in the area. Good luck with your research. Joyce Nash-Wafford Selma, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <abkelly1@yahoo.com> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline Wilson Wallace They did not always file a death certificate in that time frame. Especially if he died at home without a doctor attending. Are there funeral home records available. That is how I found my gggrandfather. He did not have a death certificate or headstone but I found his funeral bill and plot number at Boyer's. -----Original Message----- From: Marlene Shake <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> Sender: mostfran-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:08:20 To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: mostfran@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline Wilson Wallace Thank you for trying to help.  It has been very frustrating not being able to find his death cert.  He had to have had one.  I have a copy of the telegram dated 6 April 1917 that was sent to my Grandfather's sister Lucinda by her brother telling her "Father is dead at Irondale". Ulysses Grant Wallace, son of A J Wallace sent it - -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Carver <sisterruthie@hughes.net> To: mostfran@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 9:46:44 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline Wilson Wallace Thanks Marlene, If you hadn't found these two newspaper articles, I would almost believe he didn't die in Missouri because his wife did not.  I have looked for a few others who died within the time frame posted on the archives website but found no death certificate.  I pulled up all Washington County deaths for 1917 looking for something under Andrew or Jackson but found nothing. Wish I could be more help. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shake" <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline Wilson Wallace Ruth Thank you for doing that - I sent for the death cert 2 or 3 different time, and they didn't have one on file for him.  I checked for Wallis and a couple other spellings, but none was found.  Would it be listed in the county records? Seems to me like I checked with them too, but it has been a long time.  Must have been mis-filed at the time it happened. I have these two postings from the newspaper, but never found an obit: Potosi Journal: Potosi, MO-Wednesday, April 11, 1917: "Irondale: - Mr. Andrew Wallace, a veteran of the Civil War, died Friday morning at the home of his daughter, Mrs. Lee Province, of the place.  He was ninety years of age." "Weekly Independent" Potosi, MO - Thursday, April 12, 1917: W. Wallace died at the home of his daughter Mrs. Lee Province Friday last, after suffering from burns which he received several weeks ago, when his house burned.  He was laid to rest in the Big River Cemetery." Thanks again, Marlene From: Ruth Carver <sisterruthie@hughes.net> To: mostfran@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 4:43:19 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline Wilson Wallace Have you found Andrew's death certificate for 1917.  I have searched the file and could not locate it.  I am wondering if perhaps there was a misspelling of the name, although I searched for the date and did not seem to find it that way either. Thanks, Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shake" <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> To: <MOSTFRAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:32 PM Subject: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline Wilson Wallace My GGrandfather died 1917 in Irondale - lived in Bismarck for a time - is buried in Big River Cem.  Would like to know where wife Frances is buried. She died Jan 13, 1921 in the State hospital in Union Co., IL, but I think is buried either in St. Francois or Washington Co., MO I am also interested in learning more about the Wm. Wallace listed in the 1910 census. Marlene Shake 1900 Census, Bismarck, MO Wallace, Andrew J., white born Apr 1833, age 67, married 30 years, born TN, parents born North Carolina, trade, Gunsmith Wallace, Frances C., wife, female, born May 1847, age 53, married 30 years, mother of 10 children, 5 living, born Ala, father born Ala, mother born TN Wallace, Grant, son, born Nov 1881, age 18, single, born MO, blacksmith Wallace, Lucinda, dau. born Jan 1884, age 16, single, born MO Wallace, Alice, dau, born July 1889, age 10, born MO, attends school 1910 census Iron Twp., Bismarck City, St. Francois County, MO (April 1910) Dwelling #85 Family #86 (in order of visitation) Wallace, Andrew J., age 76/married/40 yrs/ b TN/parents b NC/Blacksmith/self employed/can't read or write/own home/free of mortgage/survivor of Civil War-Army (my note I know AJ could read and write - have seen a postcard - he had a nice handwriting, but by 1910 he was blind.) Wallace, Frances C. wife, age 63, married 40 years/mother of 11, 5 surviving in 1910/b. AL, father born England, mother born NC/can read and write. Only 1 other Wallace in the above census:  Wm. C. Wallace, age 56, married 37 yrs/b Mo/parents b. NC HH#142. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Beginning with Ms. Shake's posting to the list on 8/25/2010 and continuing through Ms. Wofford's reply on 8/27/2010, I believe most people would agree with me that the correspondence to the list was genealogical in nature and the questions and answer posted to the list could benefit most people who subscribe to the St. Francois Co., Mo. list. After that the I would be lying if I thought the last 3 postings added anything of a genuine genealogical nature to the original question. I can see Ms. Shake saying "thank you" publicly versus privately but after that seems like somebody got hold of my late sister's Chatty Cathy doll and are just pulling her string to here her talk. There are times when some individuals seem to think that the St. Francois Co. website is sort of a "Facebook" for people who are interested in genealogy. Give us a break. If you want to chat, there are over 500 million people who like to chat and there is no doubt in my mind that some of them are interested in genealogy and perhaps even in St. Francois Co., Mo. Euel p.s. if anyone thinks there is gender bias in anything I have written above I think you would be lying. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth Carver To: mostfran@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew JacksonWallaceandwifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace I am not positive but to my knowledge, Boyer has never had a fire. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce D Wafford" <ograndma1@sbcglobal.net> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline Wilson Wallace I was there in June 2007, and they traced my NASH burials way back. Good Luck Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shake" <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline Wilson Wallace Joyce - Thank you - I think I checked with them years ago, and if my memory serves me right (it may not) seems like they told me they had a fire and some records were lost - but I'll again check my paper files. Thanks again for your help. Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Joyce D Wafford <ograndma1@sbcglobal.net> To: abkelly1@yahoo.com; mostfran@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 9:22:07 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline Wilson Wallace Boyers Funeral Home in Bonne Terre has been very helpful with my NASH Family as well. I would definitely suggest checking with them or any of the other Funeral Directors in the area. Good luck with your research. Joyce Nash-Wafford Selma, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <abkelly1@yahoo.com> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline Wilson Wallace They did not always file a death certificate in that time frame. Especially if he died at home without a doctor attending. Are there funeral home records available. That is how I found my gggrandfather. He did not have a death certificate or headstone but I found his funeral bill and plot number at Boyer's. -----Original Message----- From: Marlene Shake <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> Sender: mostfran-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:08:20 To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: mostfran@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline Wilson Wallace Thank you for trying to help. It has been very frustrating not being able to find his death cert. He had to have had one. I have a copy of the telegram dated 6 April 1917 that was sent to my Grandfather's sister Lucinda by her brother telling her "Father is dead at Irondale". Ulysses Grant Wallace, son of A J Wallace sent it - -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Carver <sisterruthie@hughes.net> To: mostfran@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 9:46:44 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline Wilson Wallace Thanks Marlene, If you hadn't found these two newspaper articles, I would almost believe he didn't die in Missouri because his wife did not. I have looked for a few others who died within the time frame posted on the archives website but found no death certificate. I pulled up all Washington County deaths for 1917 looking for something under Andrew or Jackson but found nothing. Wish I could be more help. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shake" <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline Wilson Wallace Ruth Thank you for doing that - I sent for the death cert 2 or 3 different time, and they didn't have one on file for him. I checked for Wallis and a couple other spellings, but none was found. Would it be listed in the county records? Seems to me like I checked with them too, but it has been a long time. Must have been mis-filed at the time it happened. I have these two postings from the newspaper, but never found an obit: Potosi Journal: Potosi, MO-Wednesday, April 11, 1917: "Irondale: - Mr. Andrew Wallace, a veteran of the Civil War, died Friday morning at the home of his daughter, Mrs. Lee Province, of the place. He was ninety years of age." "Weekly Independent" Potosi, MO - Thursday, April 12, 1917: W. Wallace died at the home of his daughter Mrs. Lee Province Friday last, after suffering from burns which he received several weeks ago, when his house burned. He was laid to rest in the Big River Cemetery." Thanks again, Marlene From: Ruth Carver <sisterruthie@hughes.net> To: mostfran@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 4:43:19 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline Wilson Wallace Have you found Andrew's death certificate for 1917. I have searched the file and could not locate it. I am wondering if perhaps there was a misspelling of the name, although I searched for the date and did not seem to find it that way either. Thanks, Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shake" <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> To: <MOSTFRAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:32 PM Subject: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline Wilson Wallace My GGrandfather died 1917 in Irondale - lived in Bismarck for a time - is buried in Big River Cem. Would like to know where wife Frances is buried. She died Jan 13, 1921 in the State hospital in Union Co., IL, but I think is buried either in St. Francois or Washington Co., MO I am also interested in learning more about the Wm. Wallace listed in the 1910 census. Marlene Shake 1900 Census, Bismarck, MO Wallace, Andrew J., white born Apr 1833, age 67, married 30 years, born TN, parents born North Carolina, trade, Gunsmith Wallace, Frances C., wife, female, born May 1847, age 53, married 30 years, mother of 10 children, 5 living, born Ala, father born Ala, mother born TN Wallace, Grant, son, born Nov 1881, age 18, single, born MO, blacksmith Wallace, Lucinda, dau. born Jan 1884, age 16, single, born MO Wallace, Alice, dau, born July 1889, age 10, born MO, attends school 1910 census Iron Twp., Bismarck City, St. Francois County, MO (April 1910) Dwelling #85 Family #86 (in order of visitation) Wallace, Andrew J., age 76/married/40 yrs/ b TN/parents b NC/Blacksmith/self employed/can't read or write/own home/free of mortgage/survivor of Civil War-Army (my note I know AJ could read and write - have seen a postcard - he had a nice handwriting, but by 1910 he was blind.) Wallace, Frances C. wife, age 63, married 40 years/mother of 11, 5 surviving in 1910/b. AL, father born England, mother born NC/can read and write. Only 1 other Wallace in the above census: Wm. C. Wallace, age 56, married 37 yrs/b Mo/parents b. NC HH#142.

I am not positive but to my knowledge, Boyer has never had a fire. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce D Wafford" <ograndma1@sbcglobal.net> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson WallaceandwifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace >I was there in June 2007, and they traced my NASH burials way back. > > Good Luck > Joyce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marlene Shake" <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> > To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace > andwifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace > > >> Joyce - Thank you - I think I checked with them years ago, and if my >> memory >> serves me right (it may not) seems like they told me they had a fire and >> some >> records were lost - but I'll again check my paper files. >> >> Thanks again for your help. >> >> Marlene >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Joyce D Wafford <ograndma1@sbcglobal.net> >> To: abkelly1@yahoo.com; mostfran@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 9:22:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and >> wifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace >> >> Boyers Funeral Home in Bonne Terre has been very helpful with my NASH >> Family >> as well. I would definitely suggest checking with them or any of the >> other >> Funeral Directors in the area. >> >> Good luck with your research. >> >> Joyce Nash-Wafford >> Selma, CA >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <abkelly1@yahoo.com> >> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and >> wifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace >> >> >>> They did not always file a death certificate in that time frame. >>> Especially if he died at home without a doctor attending. Are there >>> funeral home records available. That is how I found my gggrandfather. He >>> did not have a death certificate or headstone but I found his funeral >>> bill >>> and plot number at Boyer's. >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Marlene Shake <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> >>> Sender: mostfran-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:08:20 >>> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> >>> Reply-To: mostfran@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances >>> CarolineWilsonWallace >>> >>> Thank you for trying to help. It has been very frustrating not being >>> able >>> to >>> find his death cert. He had to have had one. I have a copy of the >>> telegram >>> dated 6 April 1917 that was sent to my Grandfather's sister Lucinda by >>> her >>> brother telling her "Father is dead at Irondale". Ulysses Grant Wallace, >>> son of >>> AJWallace sent it - >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Ruth Carver <sisterruthie@hughes.net> >>> To: mostfran@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 9:46:44 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances >>> CarolineWilsonWallace >>> >>> Thanks Marlene, >>> >>> If you hadn't found these two newspaper articles, I would almost believe >>> he >>> didn't die in Missouri because his wife did not. I have looked for a >>> few >>> others who died within the time frame posted on the archives website but >>> found no death certificate. I pulled up all Washington County deaths >>> for >>> 1917 looking for something under Andrew or Jackson but found nothing. >>> Wish >>> I could be more help. >>> Ruth >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Marlene Shake" <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> >>> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:36 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances >>> CarolineWilsonWallace >>> >>> >>>> Ruth >>>> >>>> Thank you for doing that - I sent for the death cert 2 or 3 different >>>> time, and >>>> they didn't have one on file for him. I checked for Wallis and a >>>> couple >>>> other >>>> spellings, but none was found. Would it be listed in the county >>>> records? >>>> Seems >>>> to me like I checked with them too, but it has been a long time. Must >>>> have been >>>> mis-filed at the time it happened. >>>> >>>> >>>> I have these two postings from the newspaper, but never found an obit: >>>> >>>> Potosi Journal: Potosi, MO-Wednesday, April 11, 1917: >>>> "Irondale: - Mr. Andrew Wallace, a veteran of the Civil War, died >>>> Friday >>>> morning >>>> at the home of his daughter, Mrs. Lee Province, of the place. He was >>>> ninety >>>> years of age. >>>> >>>> "Weekly Independent" Potosi, MO - Thursday, April 12, 1917: >>>> W. Wallace died at the home of his daughter Mrs. Lee Province Friday >>>> last, >>>> after >>>> suffering from burns which he received several weeks ago, when his >>>> house >>>> burned. He was laid to rest in the Big River Cemetery. >>>> >>>> Thanks again, Marlene >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Ruth Carver <sisterruthie@hughes.net> >>>> To: mostfran@rootsweb.com >>>> Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 4:43:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances >>>> Caroline >>>> WilsonWallace >>>> >>>> Have you found Andrew's death certificate for 1917. I have searched >>>> the >>>> file and could not locate it. I am wondering if perhaps there was a >>>> misspelling of the name, although I searched for the date and did not >>>> seem >>>> to find it that way either. >>>> Thanks, Ruth >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Marlene Shake" <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> >>>> To: <MOSTFRAN@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:32 PM >>>> Subject: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline >>>> WilsonWallace >>>> >>>> >>>>> My GGrandfather died 1917 in Irondale - lived in Bismarck for a time - >>>>> is >>>>> buried >>>>> in Big River Cem. Would like to know where wife Frances is buried. >>>>> She >>>>> died >>>>> Jan 13, 1921 in the State hospital in Union Co., IL, but I think is >>>>> buried >>>>> either in St. Francois or Washington Co., MO >>>>> >>>>> I am also interested in learning more about the Wm. Wallace listed in >>>>> the >>>>> 1910 >>>>> census. >>>>> >>>>> Marlene Shake >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1900 Census, Bismarck, MO >>>>> Wallace, Andrew J., white born Apr 1833, age 67, married 30 years, >>>>> born >>>>> TN, >>>>> parents born North Carolina, trade, Gunsmith >>>>> Wallace, Frances C., wife, female, born May 1847, age 53, married 30 >>>>> years, >>>>> mother of 10 children, 5 living, born Ala, father born Ala, mother >>>>> born >>>>> TN >>>>> Wallace, Grant, son, born Nov 1881, age 18, single, born MO, >>>>> blacksmith >>>>> Wallace, Lucinda, dau. born Jan 1884, age 16, single, born MO >>>>> Wallace, Alice, dau, born July 1889, age 10, born MO, attends school >>>>> _____________________________________________________________ >>>>> 1910 census Iron Twp., Bismarck City, St. Francois County, MO (April >>>>> 1910) >>>>> Dwelling #85 Family #86 (in order of visitation) >>>>> >>>>> Wallace, Andrew J., age 76/married/40 yrs/ b TN/parents b >>>>> NC/Blacksmith/self >>>>> employed/can't read or write/own home/free of mortgage/survivor of >>>>> Civil >>>>> War-Army >>>>> (my note I know AJ could read and write - have seen a postcard - he >>>>> had >>>>> a >>>>> nice >>>>> handwriting, but by 1910 he was blind.) >>>>> >>>>> Wallace, Frances C. wife, age 63, married 40 years/mother of 11, 5 >>>>> surviving in >>>>> 1910/b. AL, father born England, mother born NC/can read and write. >>>>> >>>>> Only 1 other Wallace in the above census: Wm. C. Wallace, age 56, >>>>> married >>>>> 37 >>>>> yrs/b Mo/parents b. NC HH#142. >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in >>>> the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was there in June 2007, and they traced my NASH burials way back. Good Luck Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shake" <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace andwifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace > Joyce - Thank you - I think I checked with them years ago, and if my > memory > serves me right (it may not) seems like they told me they had a fire and > some > records were lost - but I'll again check my paper files. > > Thanks again for your help. > > Marlene > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joyce D Wafford <ograndma1@sbcglobal.net> > To: abkelly1@yahoo.com; mostfran@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 9:22:07 PM > Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and > wifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace > > Boyers Funeral Home in Bonne Terre has been very helpful with my NASH > Family > as well. I would definitely suggest checking with them or any of the > other > Funeral Directors in the area. > > Good luck with your research. > > Joyce Nash-Wafford > Selma, CA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <abkelly1@yahoo.com> > To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:10 AM > Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and > wifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace > > >> They did not always file a death certificate in that time frame. >> Especially if he died at home without a doctor attending. Are there >> funeral home records available. That is how I found my gggrandfather. He >> did not have a death certificate or headstone but I found his funeral >> bill >> and plot number at Boyer's. >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marlene Shake <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> >> Sender: mostfran-bounces@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:08:20 >> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> >> Reply-To: mostfran@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances >> CarolineWilsonWallace >> >> Thank you for trying to help. It has been very frustrating not being >> able >> to >> find his death cert. He had to have had one. I have a copy of the >> telegram >> dated 6 April 1917 that was sent to my Grandfather's sister Lucinda by >> her >> brother telling her "Father is dead at Irondale". Ulysses Grant Wallace, >> son of >> AJWallace sent it - >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Ruth Carver <sisterruthie@hughes.net> >> To: mostfran@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 9:46:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances >> CarolineWilsonWallace >> >> Thanks Marlene, >> >> If you hadn't found these two newspaper articles, I would almost believe >> he >> didn't die in Missouri because his wife did not. I have looked for a few >> others who died within the time frame posted on the archives website but >> found no death certificate. I pulled up all Washington County deaths for >> 1917 looking for something under Andrew or Jackson but found nothing. >> Wish >> I could be more help. >> Ruth >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marlene Shake" <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> >> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances >> CarolineWilsonWallace >> >> >>> Ruth >>> >>> Thank you for doing that - I sent for the death cert 2 or 3 different >>> time, and >>> they didn't have one on file for him. I checked for Wallis and a couple >>> other >>> spellings, but none was found. Would it be listed in the county >>> records? >>> Seems >>> to me like I checked with them too, but it has been a long time. Must >>> have been >>> mis-filed at the time it happened. >>> >>> >>> I have these two postings from the newspaper, but never found an obit: >>> >>> Potosi Journal: Potosi, MO-Wednesday, April 11, 1917: >>> "Irondale: - Mr. Andrew Wallace, a veteran of the Civil War, died Friday >>> morning >>> at the home of his daughter, Mrs. Lee Province, of the place. He was >>> ninety >>> years of age. >>> >>> "Weekly Independent" Potosi, MO - Thursday, April 12, 1917: >>> W. Wallace died at the home of his daughter Mrs. Lee Province Friday >>> last, >>> after >>> suffering from burns which he received several weeks ago, when his house >>> burned. He was laid to rest in the Big River Cemetery. >>> >>> Thanks again, Marlene >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Ruth Carver <sisterruthie@hughes.net> >>> To: mostfran@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 4:43:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline >>> WilsonWallace >>> >>> Have you found Andrew's death certificate for 1917. I have searched the >>> file and could not locate it. I am wondering if perhaps there was a >>> misspelling of the name, although I searched for the date and did not >>> seem >>> to find it that way either. >>> Thanks, Ruth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Marlene Shake" <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> >>> To: <MOSTFRAN@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:32 PM >>> Subject: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline >>> WilsonWallace >>> >>> >>>> My GGrandfather died 1917 in Irondale - lived in Bismarck for a time - >>>> is >>>> buried >>>> in Big River Cem. Would like to know where wife Frances is buried. >>>> She >>>> died >>>> Jan 13, 1921 in the State hospital in Union Co., IL, but I think is >>>> buried >>>> either in St. Francois or Washington Co., MO >>>> >>>> I am also interested in learning more about the Wm. Wallace listed in >>>> the >>>> 1910 >>>> census. >>>> >>>> Marlene Shake >>>> >>>> >>>> 1900 Census, Bismarck, MO >>>> Wallace, Andrew J., white born Apr 1833, age 67, married 30 years, born >>>> TN, >>>> parents born North Carolina, trade, Gunsmith >>>> Wallace, Frances C., wife, female, born May 1847, age 53, married 30 >>>> years, >>>> mother of 10 children, 5 living, born Ala, father born Ala, mother born >>>> TN >>>> Wallace, Grant, son, born Nov 1881, age 18, single, born MO, blacksmith >>>> Wallace, Lucinda, dau. born Jan 1884, age 16, single, born MO >>>> Wallace, Alice, dau, born July 1889, age 10, born MO, attends school >>>> _____________________________________________________________ >>>> 1910 census Iron Twp., Bismarck City, St. Francois County, MO (April >>>> 1910) >>>> Dwelling #85 Family #86 (in order of visitation) >>>> >>>> Wallace, Andrew J., age 76/married/40 yrs/ b TN/parents b >>>> NC/Blacksmith/self >>>> employed/can't read or write/own home/free of mortgage/survivor of >>>> Civil >>>> War-Army >>>> (my note I know AJ could read and write - have seen a postcard - he had >>>> a >>>> nice >>>> handwriting, but by 1910 he was blind.) >>>> >>>> Wallace, Frances C. wife, age 63, married 40 years/mother of 11, 5 >>>> surviving in >>>> 1910/b. AL, father born England, mother born NC/can read and write. >>>> >>>> Only 1 other Wallace in the above census: Wm. C. Wallace, age 56, >>>> married >>>> 37 >>>> yrs/b Mo/parents b. NC HH#142. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joyce - Thank you - I think I checked with them years ago, and if my memory serves me right (it may not) seems like they told me they had a fire and some records were lost - but I'll again check my paper files. Thanks again for your help. Marlene ________________________________ From: Joyce D Wafford <ograndma1@sbcglobal.net> To: abkelly1@yahoo.com; mostfran@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 9:22:07 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace Boyers Funeral Home in Bonne Terre has been very helpful with my NASH Family as well. I would definitely suggest checking with them or any of the other Funeral Directors in the area. Good luck with your research. Joyce Nash-Wafford Selma, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <abkelly1@yahoo.com> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace > They did not always file a death certificate in that time frame. > Especially if he died at home without a doctor attending. Are there > funeral home records available. That is how I found my gggrandfather. He > did not have a death certificate or headstone but I found his funeral bill > and plot number at Boyer's. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marlene Shake <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> > Sender: mostfran-bounces@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:08:20 > To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> > Reply-To: mostfran@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances > CarolineWilsonWallace > > Thank you for trying to help. It has been very frustrating not being able > to > find his death cert. He had to have had one. I have a copy of the > telegram > dated 6 April 1917 that was sent to my Grandfather's sister Lucinda by her > brother telling her "Father is dead at Irondale". Ulysses Grant Wallace, > son of > AJWallace sent it - > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ruth Carver <sisterruthie@hughes.net> > To: mostfran@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 9:46:44 PM > Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances > CarolineWilsonWallace > > Thanks Marlene, > > If you hadn't found these two newspaper articles, I would almost believe > he > didn't die in Missouri because his wife did not. I have looked for a few > others who died within the time frame posted on the archives website but > found no death certificate. I pulled up all Washington County deaths for > 1917 looking for something under Andrew or Jackson but found nothing. > Wish > I could be more help. > Ruth > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marlene Shake" <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> > To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances > CarolineWilsonWallace > > >> Ruth >> >> Thank you for doing that - I sent for the death cert 2 or 3 different >> time, and >> they didn't have one on file for him. I checked for Wallis and a couple >> other >> spellings, but none was found. Would it be listed in the county records? >> Seems >> to me like I checked with them too, but it has been a long time. Must >> have been >> mis-filed at the time it happened. >> >> >> I have these two postings from the newspaper, but never found an obit: >> >> Potosi Journal: Potosi, MO-Wednesday, April 11, 1917: >> "Irondale: - Mr. Andrew Wallace, a veteran of the Civil War, died Friday >> morning >> at the home of his daughter, Mrs. Lee Province, of the place. He was >> ninety >> years of age. >> >> "Weekly Independent" Potosi, MO - Thursday, April 12, 1917: >> W. Wallace died at the home of his daughter Mrs. Lee Province Friday >> last, >> after >> suffering from burns which he received several weeks ago, when his house >> burned. He was laid to rest in the Big River Cemetery. >> >> Thanks again, Marlene >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Ruth Carver <sisterruthie@hughes.net> >> To: mostfran@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 4:43:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline >> WilsonWallace >> >> Have you found Andrew's death certificate for 1917. I have searched the >> file and could not locate it. I am wondering if perhaps there was a >> misspelling of the name, although I searched for the date and did not >> seem >> to find it that way either. >> Thanks, Ruth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marlene Shake" <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> >> To: <MOSTFRAN@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:32 PM >> Subject: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline >> WilsonWallace >> >> >>> My GGrandfather died 1917 in Irondale - lived in Bismarck for a time - >>> is >>> buried >>> in Big River Cem. Would like to know where wife Frances is buried. She >>> died >>> Jan 13, 1921 in the State hospital in Union Co., IL, but I think is >>> buried >>> either in St. Francois or Washington Co., MO >>> >>> I am also interested in learning more about the Wm. Wallace listed in >>> the >>> 1910 >>> census. >>> >>> Marlene Shake >>> >>> >>> 1900 Census, Bismarck, MO >>> Wallace, Andrew J., white born Apr 1833, age 67, married 30 years, born >>> TN, >>> parents born North Carolina, trade, Gunsmith >>> Wallace, Frances C., wife, female, born May 1847, age 53, married 30 >>> years, >>> mother of 10 children, 5 living, born Ala, father born Ala, mother born >>> TN >>> Wallace, Grant, son, born Nov 1881, age 18, single, born MO, blacksmith >>> Wallace, Lucinda, dau. born Jan 1884, age 16, single, born MO >>> Wallace, Alice, dau, born July 1889, age 10, born MO, attends school >>> _____________________________________________________________ >>> 1910 census Iron Twp., Bismarck City, St. Francois County, MO (April >>> 1910) >>> Dwelling #85 Family #86 (in order of visitation) >>> >>> Wallace, Andrew J., age 76/married/40 yrs/ b TN/parents b >>> NC/Blacksmith/self >>> employed/can't read or write/own home/free of mortgage/survivor of Civil >>> War-Army >>> (my note I know AJ could read and write - have seen a postcard - he had >>> a >>> nice >>> handwriting, but by 1910 he was blind.) >>> >>> Wallace, Frances C. wife, age 63, married 40 years/mother of 11, 5 >>> surviving in >>> 1910/b. AL, father born England, mother born NC/can read and write. >>> >>> Only 1 other Wallace in the above census: Wm. C. Wallace, age 56, >>> married >>> 37 >>> yrs/b Mo/parents b. NC HH#142. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know. I only had the one newspaper because my mom's wedding article was in it so I don't know the rest of the story. On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 03:40:50 +0000 abkelly1@yahoo.com wrote: > So was he convicted? > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- >From: "B. Warner" <bkwofc@i1.net> > Sender: mostfran-bounces@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:28:18 > To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> > Reply-To: mostfran@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MOSTFRAN] Sudden Death of Josephine Ringer >(1945) > > The Star News Register, Bonne Terre, Missouri. > Thursday, August 30, 1945. > > SUDDEN DEATH IS INVESTIGATED HERE. > Mrs. John Ringer Dies After Family Scuffle. > > Mrs. Josephine Ringer, 68, of Bonne Terre, Route Two, >died > about 7:30 o'clock Tuesday evening, August 28th at her > home in Moontown. Her death was "due to heart trouble > caused by excitement," according to a coroner's jury, at > the inquest of her death held at Benham's Undertaking > Parlor Wednesday afternoon at four o'clock. > > According to testimony given by Mr. and Mrs. Charles > Ringer and Willard Ringer, as well as neighbors, James > Pyeatt and "Grandma" Easter, a marital battle between >Eli > White and his wife, Mrs. Ada White, daughter of Mrs. > Ringer, was the indirect cause of Mrs. Ringer's fatal >fall > Tuesday evening. All of the witnesses called by > Prosecuting Attorney W. E. Coffer and his assistant, K. >C. > Weber testified that Mrs. Ringer had a bruise on her >face, > which they seemed to believe must have been caused when > she fell. They seemed to think that she hit her head on > the newel post of the stairway as she fell. Dr. F. > Welebir was brought to the Ringer home immediately by > Willard Ringer. He pronounced Mrs. Ringer dead. He had > been her physician for almost a year and had repeatedly > warned her family of her chronic heart condition. > > It was understood from the testimony brought out at the > inquest, that the Whites, who lived upstairs in the >Ringer > home, were always fighting. During the abuse of his >wife, > Tuesday evening, it is believed that Eli White cut his > hand as his fist hit a door pane, breaking the glass. > He > is reported to have grabbed an icepick and started for >his > wife when Mrs. Ringer chose to interfere for her >daughter. > Somehow in the scuffle, Mrs. Ringer fell. No one seemed > to be able to recount the actual happenings, although, > according to the testimonies, Ada White's screams had > summoned Mr. Pyeatt, a neighbor, and his brothers from > next door. "Grandma" Easter was at the Ringer home > visiting. > > Eli White was arrested Tuesday evening on North Division > Street by Deputy Sheriff Arthur Miller and confined to >the > county jail at Farmington. According to Prosecuting > Attorney Coffer a charge of manslaughter has been filed > against him. A preliminary hearing will be held in > Bonne > Terre within a few days. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >message

I sent photos of Mae and Sam's grave stones to the ombudsman address. Was that correct ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michele Kane" <michele.kane@policeombudsman.org> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 6:11 AM Subject: [MOSTFRAN] FW: Feedback from Obit_Surname_List_Page_AM_to_AP > Hello - I've been referred to you by Ed Mackley. > > > > I am looking for the burial place of my great-grandmother, named Mae Z > Murray. I have since found out that her real name at birth was Zenia > Mae Jarrett (1894 - 1968). > > > > My uncle has stated that she died in Flat River; I would be grateful for > any assistance. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Michele Kane > > Personal Secretary > > > > Office of the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland | New Cathedral > Buildings | 11 Church Street | Belfast | BT1 1PG > > > > *Tel: +44 (0) 28 90 828671 (Direct) > > * Fax: +44 (0) 28 90 828605 (Direct) > > P Please do not print this email unless it is essential > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: ed.mackley@gmail.com [mailto:ed.mackley@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Ed > Mackley > Sent: 10 August 2010 19:57 > To: Michele Kane > Subject: Re: Feedback from Obit_Surname_List_Page_AM_to_AP > > > > Michele, > > We can't find anything on a Mae, or a Zinia Murray buried any where. > > We did find a Samuel R Murray to a Mae Moore Marrage license attached. > > I did find a Samuel Noel Jr. feb 18 1931 to mar 9 1992 S/O Sam & Mae in > Parkview Cem. don't know if this is any kin to you. > > Don't know if any of this helps. > > You might try the Mostfran list mostfran@rootsweb.com > > they are good at helping people. > > Ed > > On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Michele Kane < > michele.kane@policeombudsman.org> wrote: > > > > Hello - first, let me say that your website is fantastic and truly > helpful. I am looking for any information about my great-grandmother > Mae Z Murray previous names include Mae Noel or Zinia Mae Jarrett. She > was born in 1892 and died in Flat River in May 1968. Her last husband > Samuel Murray has an obituary on your website and mentions his wife Mae > and I am wondering if she is in fact buried in St. Francois County. > > > > Thanks for any assistance. > > > > Kind Regards > > Michele Kane > > Personal Secretary > > > > Office of the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland | New Cathedral > Buildings | 11 Church Street | Belfast | BT1 1PG > > > > *Tel: +44 (0) 28 90 828671 (Direct) > > * Fax: +44 (0) 28 90 828605 (Direct) > > P Please do not print this email unless it is essential > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ed Mackley > emackley@conbrio.net > http://www.MackleyGenealogy.com <http://www.mackleygenealogy.com/> > Missouri Census Images and Obituaries > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just wanted to say "thank you" for posting the St. Francois County obituaries.  They have helped me fill in a lot of gaps in my family tree & have saved a lot of genealogists hours & hours of research time. Esther M. Ziock Carroll Genealogist, Historian, Author, Homemaker Servant to 10 cats, 2 dogs, 1 husband www.carrollscorner.net                   

So was he convicted? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "B. Warner" <bkwofc@i1.net> Sender: mostfran-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:28:18 To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: mostfran@rootsweb.com Subject: [MOSTFRAN] Sudden Death of Josephine Ringer (1945) The Star News Register, Bonne Terre, Missouri. Thursday, August 30, 1945. SUDDEN DEATH IS INVESTIGATED HERE. Mrs. John Ringer Dies After Family Scuffle. Mrs. Josephine Ringer, 68, of Bonne Terre, Route Two, died about 7:30 o'clock Tuesday evening, August 28th at her home in Moontown. Her death was "due to heart trouble caused by excitement," according to a coroner's jury, at the inquest of her death held at Benham's Undertaking Parlor Wednesday afternoon at four o'clock. According to testimony given by Mr. and Mrs. Charles Ringer and Willard Ringer, as well as neighbors, James Pyeatt and "Grandma" Easter, a marital battle between Eli White and his wife, Mrs. Ada White, daughter of Mrs. Ringer, was the indirect cause of Mrs. Ringer's fatal fall Tuesday evening. All of the witnesses called by Prosecuting Attorney W. E. Coffer and his assistant, K. C. Weber testified that Mrs. Ringer had a bruise on her face, which they seemed to believe must have been caused when she fell. They seemed to think that she hit her head on the newel post of the stairway as she fell. Dr. F. Welebir was brought to the Ringer home immediately by Willard Ringer. He pronounced Mrs. Ringer dead. He had been her physician for almost a year and had repeatedly warned her family of her chronic heart condition. It was understood from the testimony brought out at the inquest, that the Whites, who lived upstairs in the Ringer home, were always fighting. During the abuse of his wife, Tuesday evening, it is believed that Eli White cut his hand as his fist hit a door pane, breaking the glass. He is reported to have grabbed an icepick and started for his wife when Mrs. Ringer chose to interfere for her daughter. Somehow in the scuffle, Mrs. Ringer fell. No one seemed to be able to recount the actual happenings, although, according to the testimonies, Ada White's screams had summoned Mr. Pyeatt, a neighbor, and his brothers from next door. "Grandma" Easter was at the Ringer home visiting. Eli White was arrested Tuesday evening on North Division Street by Deputy Sheriff Arthur Miller and confined to the county jail at Farmington. According to Prosecuting Attorney Coffer a charge of manslaughter has been filed against him. A preliminary hearing will be held in Bonne Terre within a few days. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bettye, Any idea who "GRANDMA EASTER" is, that they are referring to in this article? Thanks, Joyce Nash-Wafford Selma, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Warner" <bkwofc@i1.net> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: [MOSTFRAN] Sudden Death of Josephine Ringer (1945) > The Star News Register, Bonne Terre, Missouri. > Thursday, August 30, 1945. > > SUDDEN DEATH IS INVESTIGATED HERE. > Mrs. John Ringer Dies After Family Scuffle. > > Mrs. Josephine Ringer, 68, of Bonne Terre, Route Two, died > about 7:30 o'clock Tuesday evening, August 28th at her > home in Moontown. Her death was "due to heart trouble > caused by excitement," according to a coroner's jury, at > the inquest of her death held at Benham's Undertaking > Parlor Wednesday afternoon at four o'clock. > > According to testimony given by Mr. and Mrs. Charles > Ringer and Willard Ringer, as well as neighbors, James > Pyeatt and "Grandma" Easter, a marital battle between Eli > White and his wife, Mrs. Ada White, daughter of Mrs. > Ringer, was the indirect cause of Mrs. Ringer's fatal fall > Tuesday evening. All of the witnesses called by > Prosecuting Attorney W. E. Coffer and his assistant, K. C. > Weber testified that Mrs. Ringer had a bruise on her face, > which they seemed to believe must have been caused when > she fell. They seemed to think that she hit her head on > the newel post of the stairway as she fell. Dr. F. > Welebir was brought to the Ringer home immediately by > Willard Ringer. He pronounced Mrs. Ringer dead. He had > been her physician for almost a year and had repeatedly > warned her family of her chronic heart condition. > > It was understood from the testimony brought out at the > inquest, that the Whites, who lived upstairs in the Ringer > home, were always fighting. During the abuse of his wife, > Tuesday evening, it is believed that Eli White cut his > hand as his fist hit a door pane, breaking the glass. He > is reported to have grabbed an icepick and started for his > wife when Mrs. Ringer chose to interfere for her daughter. > Somehow in the scuffle, Mrs. Ringer fell. No one seemed > to be able to recount the actual happenings, although, > according to the testimonies, Ada White's screams had > summoned Mr. Pyeatt, a neighbor, and his brothers from > next door. "Grandma" Easter was at the Ringer home > visiting. > > Eli White was arrested Tuesday evening on North Division > Street by Deputy Sheriff Arthur Miller and confined to the > county jail at Farmington. According to Prosecuting > Attorney Coffer a charge of manslaughter has been filed > against him. A preliminary hearing will be held in Bonne > Terre within a few days. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MOSTFRAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Boyers Funeral Home in Bonne Terre has been very helpful with my NASH Family as well. I would definitely suggest checking with them or any of the other Funeral Directors in the area. Good luck with your research. Joyce Nash-Wafford Selma, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <abkelly1@yahoo.com> To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wifeFrancesCarolineWilsonWallace > They did not always file a death certificate in that time frame. > Especially if he died at home without a doctor attending. Are there > funeral home records available. That is how I found my gggrandfather. He > did not have a death certificate or headstone but I found his funeral bill > and plot number at Boyer's. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marlene Shake <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> > Sender: mostfran-bounces@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:08:20 > To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> > Reply-To: mostfran@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances > CarolineWilsonWallace > > Thank you for trying to help. It has been very frustrating not being able > to > find his death cert. He had to have had one. I have a copy of the > telegram > dated 6 April 1917 that was sent to my Grandfather's sister Lucinda by her > brother telling her "Father is dead at Irondale". Ulysses Grant Wallace, > son of > AJWallace sent it - > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ruth Carver <sisterruthie@hughes.net> > To: mostfran@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 9:46:44 PM > Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances > CarolineWilsonWallace > > Thanks Marlene, > > If you hadn't found these two newspaper articles, I would almost believe > he > didn't die in Missouri because his wife did not. I have looked for a few > others who died within the time frame posted on the archives website but > found no death certificate. I pulled up all Washington County deaths for > 1917 looking for something under Andrew or Jackson but found nothing. > Wish > I could be more help. > Ruth > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marlene Shake" <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> > To: <mostfran@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances > CarolineWilsonWallace > > >> Ruth >> >> Thank you for doing that - I sent for the death cert 2 or 3 different >> time, and >> they didn't have one on file for him. I checked for Wallis and a couple >> other >> spellings, but none was found. Would it be listed in the county records? >> Seems >> to me like I checked with them too, but it has been a long time. Must >> have been >> mis-filed at the time it happened. >> >> >> I have these two postings from the newspaper, but never found an obit: >> >> Potosi Journal: Potosi, MO-Wednesday, April 11, 1917: >> "Irondale: - Mr. Andrew Wallace, a veteran of the Civil War, died Friday >> morning >> at the home of his daughter, Mrs. Lee Province, of the place. He was >> ninety >> years of age. >> >> "Weekly Independent" Potosi, MO - Thursday, April 12, 1917: >> W. Wallace died at the home of his daughter Mrs. Lee Province Friday >> last, >> after >> suffering from burns which he received several weeks ago, when his house >> burned. He was laid to rest in the Big River Cemetery. >> >> Thanks again, Marlene >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Ruth Carver <sisterruthie@hughes.net> >> To: mostfran@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 4:43:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline >> WilsonWallace >> >> Have you found Andrew's death certificate for 1917. I have searched the >> file and could not locate it. I am wondering if perhaps there was a >> misspelling of the name, although I searched for the date and did not >> seem >> to find it that way either. >> Thanks, Ruth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marlene Shake" <pachydermtusk@sbcglobal.net> >> To: <MOSTFRAN@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:32 PM >> Subject: [MOSTFRAN] Andrew Jackson Wallace and wife Frances Caroline >> WilsonWallace >> >> >>> My GGrandfather died 1917 in Irondale - lived in Bismarck for a time - >>> is >>> buried >>> in Big River Cem. Would like to know where wife Frances is buried. She >>> died >>> Jan 13, 1921 in the State hospital in Union Co., IL, but I think is >>> buried >>> either in St. Francois or Washington Co., MO >>> >>> I am also interested in learning more about the Wm. Wallace listed in >>> the >>> 1910 >>> census. >>> >>> Marlene Shake >>> >>> >>> 1900 Census, Bismarck, MO >>> Wallace, Andrew J., white born Apr 1833, age 67, married 30 years, born >>> TN, >>> parents born North Carolina, trade, Gunsmith >>> Wallace, Frances C., wife, female, born May 1847, age 53, married 30 >>> years, >>> mother of 10 children, 5 living, born Ala, father born Ala, mother born >>> TN >>> Wallace, Grant, son, born Nov 1881, age 18, single, born MO, blacksmith >>> Wallace, Lucinda, dau. born Jan 1884, age 16, single, born MO >>> Wallace, Alice, dau, born July 1889, age 10, born MO, attends school >>> _____________________________________________________________ >>> 1910 census Iron Twp., Bismarck City, St. Francois County, MO (April >>> 1910) >>> Dwelling #85 Family #86 (in order of visitation) >>> >>> Wallace, Andrew J., age 76/married/40 yrs/ b TN/parents b >>> NC/Blacksmith/self >>> employed/can't read or write/own home/free of mortgage/survivor of Civil >>> War-Army >>> (my note I know AJ could read and write - have seen a postcard - he had >>> a >>> nice >>> handwriting, but by 1910 he was blind.) >>> >>> Wallace, Frances C. wife, age 63, married 40 years/mother of 11, 5 >>> surviving in >>> 1910/b. AL, father born England, mother born NC/can read and write. >>> >>> Only 1 other Wallace in the above census: Wm. C. Wallace, age 56, >>> married >>> 37 >>> yrs/b Mo/parents b. 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