Searching for information on JOEL REDMAN, born abt 1780. Migrated from Iredell County, NC to Missouri. Thank you in advance, Selena Redmond-Goodin [email protected]

The NARA proposal to revamp the system and fees for providing copies of Military Service Records, Bounty-Land Warrant Applications Files, and Pension Application Files has been published in the 25 April 2000 issue of the Federal Register. Public comment is invited and should be directed to NARA Regulation Comment Desk 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001 Fax: 301 713-7270 The comment period closes on 26 June 2000. NARA prefers that you use either the postal address or fax number to submit our comments rather than e-mail. A complete copy of the Federal Register notice is available from the NARA Web site at http://www.nara.gov/nara/fees-pro.html. The proposed Reproduction Fee Schedule covers a number of items, but the Military Service Records, and the Pension and Bounty-Land Warrants are of the greatest concern to genealogists. NARA proposes three major changes: 1. The NATF Form 80 would be discontinued, to be replaced by two new forms: NATF Form 85 to request both Bounty-Land Warrant application files and Pension files (more than 75 years old), and NATF From 86 to request Military Service Records (more than 75 years old). 2. For all three types of files, NARA would no longer send a selection of pages, but would send the complete file. This would eliminate the two-step process currently used and should be beneficial to most genealogists. 3. The fees for all three types of files would be raised. For Military Service Records the new fee would be $17.00, regardless of the number of pages included in the file. For Bounty-land Warrants the fee would be $17.25, again without regard to the number of pages. For Pension Files the fee would be $40.00, regardless of the number of pages. Finally, the proposal would go into effect on 1 September 2000, if approved. Many genealogists may consider the proposed fees to be excessive. NARA specifically invites comment on the proposed fee schedule. The FGS/NGS Records Preservation and Access Committee urges everyone who wants to comment to carefully read the full proposal before submitting comments. The proposed fees are intended to cover the actual cost of locating, copying and mailing the records, plus 10% as authorized by law, and are based on the average size of the files. NARA states that the average for Military Service Records and Bounty-land Applications is somewhere under 20 pages, while the average for full Pension Files is 105 pages. The FGS/NGS Records Preservation and Access Committee will be looking at the NARA proposal carefully, and will submit comments as appropriate. Individuals who would like to provide input to the Committee's evaluation are welcome to do so but are also encouraged to comment direct to NARA at the address given above. Comments for Committee consideration should be e-mailed to [email protected], or mailed to Federation of Genealogical Societies, Attention: RPAC, PO Box 200940, Austin, TX 78720-0940. In order for the Records Preservation and Access Committee to adequately evaluate such input it must be received by 26 May 2000. The deadline for comment to NARA, however, is still 26 June 2000. Posting of this message to other mail lists is encouraged. A copy of this message will also be available on the Records Preservation and Access page of the FGS Web site <http://www.fgs.org/fgs-recordsnews.htm> and on the NGS Web site <http://www.ngsgenealogy.org> ****

--part1_19.2d3fad1.262f1884_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 04/12/2000 12:32:04 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << [email protected] >> My great grandfather, Dr. A.C. Marquis, was part-owner of the Osceola-based newspaper sometime in the last half of the 19th century. I would love to see some history on the newspaper (I assume it was the St. Clair Co. Democrat) and even his name in writing in it. Does anyone have anything like this? Joyce KCMO area Joyce --part1_19.2d3fad1.262f1884_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (rly-ye03.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.200]) by air-ye04.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:32:04 -0400 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [209.85.6.30]) by rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:31:52 -0400 Received: (from [email protected]) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16084; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:31:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Sender: [email protected] Tue Apr 11 22:31:22 2000 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:35:53 -0700 From: Anna Hanson <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: [email protected] References: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [MOSTCLAI-L] St. Clair Co. Democrat Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/55 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] Hi folks, My grandparents were the publishers of the St. Clair County Democrat, back in the '30s I believe, possibly going into the '40's and '50's. Would anyone be willing to make some copies for me, of just a few pages of any issue? I'd mainly like them as a keepsake, so something with the names Robert W. Ginsburg, or Mary Ginsburg, as publishers, would be cool. I'd certainly pay postage and copy expenses. Thanks, Anna Hanson --part1_19.2d3fad1.262f1884_boundary--

--WebTV-Mail-3784-144 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Good morning, I'm not sure if I sent this messages to the list. My sent messages have been discarded. If you've received it before, sorry, if not, hope we can find a connection. Everyone take care, and happy hunting. Lisa --WebTV-Mail-3784-144 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-103-1.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.104) by storefull-251.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailsorter-103-1.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id 8ADB38011; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:59:12 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from storefull-251.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-251.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.129]) by mailsorter-103-1.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8878012 for <[email protected]>; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from [email protected]) by storefull-251.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id UAA11529; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:59:12 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRpdNf/CDE0IAvulI0Nb6tR0zfCXwIUVqlUQ/XbbUrjBB05YUD1ZokzX30= From: [email protected] (Lisa Livermont) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:59:12 -0700 (MST) To: [email protected] Subject: Hubbards IL>MO>CO Message-ID: <[email protected]> In-Reply-To: "Mary Hubbard" <[email protected]>'s message of Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:15:32 CST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) My Hubbards are from IL>MO>CO. 1. Henry HUBBARD m. Esther 2. John Stevens HUBBARD b. 27 Mar 1848 Mt Carmel, IL d. 24 Mar 1916 St. Clair, MO m. 12 Dec 1869 Martha Lavina PARK b. 28 Nov 1853 d. 22 Nov 1929 3. Thmas H. HUBBARD b. 10 Jan 1891 3. William Walter HUBBARD b. 23 Nov 1873 St. Clair, MO d. 21 Feb 1933 bur. Park Grove Cem. Lowry City, MO m. 1 Jan 1895 Victoria Ellen PARKER St. Clair, MO b. 22 Nov 1877 Benton Co. MO d. 28 Aug 1914 K.C. MO bur. Park Grove Cem. Lowry, MO her parents are Hezehiah Issac PARKER and Virginia CROSS.(they had several other children) 4. Alta Virginia HUBBARD b. 25 Nov 1896 Benton Co. MO m. 26 Jun 1820 Harlan David BUNN St. Clair, MO 4. Dewey Parker HUBBARD b. 30 Sep 1898 Benton Co. MO bur. 22 Nov 1953 Shiloh Cem. Quincy, MO m. 29 Nov 1919 "Lulu" Edna RAY Benton Co. MO 4. Philip Hezehiah HUBBARD b. 19 Dec 1900 d. 22 Aug 1952 bur. Hillcrest Cem. Texarkana, TX m. 22 Jun 1919 Floy Mae HOLLY Benton Co. MO 4. John Floyd "Floyd John" HUBBARD b. 16 Nov 1902 Benton Co. MO d. 14 Feb 1953 Denver, Denver, CO b. 18 Feb 1955/1957 Crown Hill Cem. Denver, Denver, CO m. sp1. 9 Feb 1926 Joyce June "Gretchen" MILLER Clinton, MO b. 14 Jun 191 Ottowa, KS d. 15 Jan 1936 Denver General Hosp. bur. Jan 1936 Kansas City, MO. had 4 children, parents are William MILLER b. KS and Ora Pearl SLAGLE (Frost?) b. KS 4.sp.2. Anna Louise HENDRIXSON, previously married to Jacob Lee CASE, had 3 children If any one has any knowledge of these people, please let me know. Have more information if needed. I'm willing to share information. Take care. Lisa Livermont Scottsdale, AZ --WebTV-Mail-3784-144--

Hi folks, My grandparents were the publishers of the St. Clair County Democrat, back in the '30s I believe, possibly going into the '40's and '50's. Would anyone be willing to make some copies for me, of just a few pages of any issue? I'd mainly like them as a keepsake, so something with the names Robert W. Ginsburg, or Mary Ginsburg, as publishers, would be cool. I'd certainly pay postage and copy expenses. Thanks, Anna Hanson

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Thanks to Traci for this information: Here are some items that may be useful in conducting African American Research in Missouri. They can be obtained through interlibrary loan... If anyone decides to check out any of these items... please give us an update on the materials. Greenwood cemetery noted below, is the oldest African American cemetery in St. Louis... it has been under a cloud of litigation because of neglect. I had a very difficult time trying t get information on this folder at the St. Louis WHMC. The staff was reluctant to provide me with assistance. I'm going this week to request an interlibrary loan. If you come across additional books and resources that you think would be useful, please let me know. I would also be interesed in purchasing "used books" for any of the resources listed below; with the exception of the St. Louis microfilm which is not available for purchase. traci wilson kleekamp african americans in missouri http://www.rootsweb.com/~moafram http://www.usgennet.org/~ahtopaag/indexusg.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- sl 577 GREENWOOD CEMETARY(1893) RECORDS, 1904-1996 1 ROLL MICROFILM WESTERN HISTORICAL MANUSCRIPT COLLECTION UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI-ST. LOUIS Funeral records of an African American cemetary in St. Louis County. The collection also includes legal exhibits and maps. This is the oldest African American Cemetery in St. Louis. FOLDER LIST 1. Public Grounds, Family Lots, Cremains Gardens and Monuments, 1893-1976 and Deed, 1996 2. Newsclipping: "Tax Default Puts City In Cemetary Business," South Side Journal," Wednesday, 2/28/96 Rooks vs. Bosley, et al, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Missouri,Eastern Division, September 6, 1993 State of Missouri, ex, rel., William Webster vs. Missouri District United Pentecostal Church, Dale F. Gamble and Computer Coordinated Services, 2/22/96 (Exhibit Date) Open Letter, "Demand For Immediate Senate Investigation of the Illegal Attempt to Steal One of the Three Black Owned Cemeteries in the City of St. Louis-Perpetual Care Facility, Located and Numbered As 7133-35 Gravois Avenue," J.B. Banks 2/22/96 Rooks vs. Harris et. al., U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Missouri, Eastern District, 1/1/95 Volume 1, Record Book of Greenwood Cemetary Association Board of Directors, 1904-1942 Volume 2, Financial Ledger, 1951-1961 Volume 3, Greenwood Cemetary Record Book, 1940-1966 Volume 4, Greenwood Cemetary Record Book, 1967-1992 Volume 5, Burials Book, 1971 Volume 6, Funeral Records Book, 1986-1989 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Western Historical Manuscript Collection in Columbia 5) U.S. Census, Cooper County, Missouri (C1281) 1850 2 v. Vol. I (Schedule 1) is the enumeration of free inhabitants giving age, sex, and place of birth. Vol. 2 (Schedules 2-6) lists slave inhabitants. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Mid Continent Public Library (Independence, Missouri) Title: Colored paths : historic community research : transcriptions of original records which legalized the marriages of freed people of color in St. Charles County : colored marriage records, May 25, 1865-November 19, 1871. Publication:[United States] : RONNA, [1995], c1994. Description: 75 leaves : maps ; 28 cm. Call Number Genealogy - Reference 977.8 C719 Includes bibliographical references. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Author :Curtis, Annette Wegner. Title : Jackson County, Missouri marriage record, American citizens of African descent, 1865-1881 : an abstract with indexes and commentary / by Annette W. Curtis.c Publication : [Independence, MO : The Author], c1992. Description : vi, 125 p. : ill. Note : Spine title: Jackson Co. MO black marriages 1866. Includes indexes. 977.841 C941 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Author: Curtis, Annette Wegner. Title: Jackson County, Missouri in black & white / Annette W. Curtis. Publication: Independence, MO : Annette W. Curtis, 1995- Note: Includes index. Contents : v.1. Census of slaves, their owners and "Free Colored" 1850 and 1860 -- v. 2. Jabez Smith: His slaves, plantations, estate, and heirs. Call Number Reference # 977.841 C941j v. and 977.841 C941j v. 2 FYI, Ms. Curtis was extremely helpful to me in the beginning of my research. She has put a great deal of work and research into compiling both of the above books, I would encourage you to purchase her works..if at all possible in support of her efforts. The same applies for the works of Charles O'Dell and Ronna Luckett. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Author : O'Dell, Charles A. Title : A directory of Black households in Columbia and Boone County for the years 1903 to 1905 / compiled by Charles A. O'Dell. Publication : [Columbia, Mo.? : C.A. O'Dell?], 1986. Description : ix, 71 p. ; 22 x 29 cm. Note : Includes bibliographical references. Call Number 977.829 Od2 Genealogy - Reference --------------------------------------------------------------------- Author : O'Dell, Charles A. Title : Black households in Columbia, Missouri, 1901-1909: a directory, along with a list of all Black residents of Boone County in 1905--names, addresses,occupations / compiled by Charles A. O'Dell. Publication : [Columbia, Mo. : C.A. O'Dell, 1988] Description : xv, 101 p. : ill. ; 28 cm. Call Number 977.829 Od2bL Note : Includes bibliographical references. North Independence - Adult

Does anyone have the 1880 or 1900 census for st. Clair County and willing to do a look up Please... Jacob L. Simmons and wife Martha Frances. Thank you in advance! Lynne

Earl, Thanks so very much for the lookup. Not the Benjamin Brown I was looking for, but I can now mark this one off my list! I really, really appreciate the lookup! Thanks, cdf -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, November 26, 2000 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [MOSTCLAI-L] 1870 St. Clair Co. census lookup - Benjamin Brown > >On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:30:58 -0600 "Cara Flinn" <[email protected]> >writes: >>Would there be someone out there about to do a lookup for me in the >>1870 St. Clair Co. census? I'm trying to determine if the Benjamin >>Brown listed on page 457 in Jackson Township is the same Benjamin >>Brown who married Winey Bunch in 1866 in Polk Co. If anyone has >>access to the 1870 census, I would sure appreciate a listing of the >>Brown household members! >> >>Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. >>cdf >> > >Here is the listing you requested: > >Dwelling 37: >Brown, Benj 50 MW farmer 2500 1217 Kentucky > Margaret 42 FW keeping house Penn > Geo 16 MW Farm work All children >born Missouri > John 15 MW > Susan 14 FW > Mary 10 FW > Mariah 8 FW > Benj 4 MW > James 3/12 MW > Samuel 3/12 MW > >This household is listed on the 1850 census of St. Clair; page 240. > >Brown, Benj 28 Kentucky > Nancy 5 Missouri > Gilly 3 ditto > >This may indicate that he was recently widowed. > >An adjacent household is: >Brown, Wm 60 Kentucky > Catharine 58 Kentucky > Wm 19 Kentucky > Stephen 17 Kentucky > John 11 Missouri > >It could be that this Benj Brown is living next door to his parents who >assist in caring for his children by a recently deceased wife. > >There is also a BUNCH family listed on this same page. > >A Benjamin Brown married Malinda Keeny 24 Feb 1842 in Henry county, which >is adjacent to St. Clair. > >[email protected] > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >

Would there be someone out there about to do a lookup for me in the 1870 St. Clair Co. census? I'm trying to determine if the Benjamin Brown listed on page 457 in Jackson Township is the same Benjamin Brown who married Winey Bunch in 1866 in Polk Co. If anyone has access to the 1870 census, I would sure appreciate a listing of the Brown household members! Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. cdf