This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RMB.2ACE/139.155.151.157 Message Board Post: Mary Winston Allen was my g grandmother, Anna Eliza Johsnon was my grandmother. Anna Eliza married George W. Huntley. Do you have any more information regarding David Allen's parentage? Sybella Winston's heritage relates to Patrick Henry and Dolly Madison. Will be most happy to share what I have with you.

Have you tried the Health Dept. in Memphis, MO yet? I believe my mother got a copy of hers from there and she was born near Crawford but it was still in Scotland Co. Mindy Adams & Pike Co., IL Genealogy Host http://www.iltrails.org/adams/index.html http://www.iltrails.org/pike/index.html "Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." ----- Original Message ----- From: <joemcgee@frognet.net> To: <MOSCOTLA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 7:24 AM Subject: [MOSCOTLA] Birth Certificate help > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Binder, Polite > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RMB.2ACE/485 > > Message Board Post: > > I am trying to locate the birth certificate for my mother who was born in Memphis MO. I have tried to obtain a certificate from the Department of Health in Jefferson City but they found no record. I have heard this is not uncommon. I know she had a birth certificate but where else could I check from Ohio? Can anyone offer assistance? Thank you. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RMB.2ACE/485.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I am not sure where the fire was. She led me to believe the fire was at the courthouse in Memphis. She still had her birth records when she applied for Soc Sec. In fact it is her social security that has prompted her to get her birth record. She said she needs it to get her Soc Sec retirement. Other than that I guess she hasn't needed to prove when she was born. I can not say about the census I am not sure how that would work. I didn't even know one could get a copy of census info until it was 72 years old.

My birth certificate also was destroyed but I was able to get one from Jefferson City. Alberta Anderson Web Services Specialist Indiana University Office of Communications & Marketing Carmichael Center 530 East Kirkwood Ave., Suite 201 Bloomington, IN 47408-4003 -----Original Message----- From: joemcgee@frognet.net [mailto:joemcgee@frognet.net] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 9:59 AM To: MOSCOTLA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MOSCOTLA] Re: Birth Certificate help This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RMB.2ACE/485.1 Message Board Post: My mother is still living so I am concerned about how much info I should post. Although too little may prevent an easier solution. She was born in 1944 at home in Memphis. She had a birth certificate but it was destroyed. Is there another location to lookup birth records from this time period? I think she said she tried to get a copy of her birth certificate before and they said there was a fire that destroyed all of the records. My aunt was born in the same place but was able to get a copy of her's in 1982. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Campbell, Eggleston, Gardner, Laws, Garner, McCandles, John Lee Johnson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RMB.2ACE/485.1.1 Message Board Post: Where was the fire? My husband was born in 1940 and at home also. We got his brith certified from Jefferson City MO as for years and year all he had to prove his brith was a 1950 cencus thing...did you try that? How did she get a So Sec number?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RMB.2ACE/485.1 Message Board Post: My mother is still living so I am concerned about how much info I should post. Although too little may prevent an easier solution. She was born in 1944 at home in Memphis. She had a birth certificate but it was destroyed. Is there another location to lookup birth records from this time period? I think she said she tried to get a copy of her birth certificate before and they said there was a fire that destroyed all of the records. My aunt was born in the same place but was able to get a copy of her's in 1982.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Binder, Polite Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RMB.2ACE/485 Message Board Post: I am trying to locate the birth certificate for my mother who was born in Memphis MO. I have tried to obtain a certificate from the Department of Health in Jefferson City but they found no record. I have heard this is not uncommon. I know she had a birth certificate but where else could I check from Ohio? Can anyone offer assistance? Thank you.

This is a follow-up to my recent post about needed access to Vital Records. The problem is not that the vital records cannot be accessed; they can. For a fee, the staff at the Department of Health will search for a record. If they find it, they will send a copy. Too often the response is that they found no record. I sought birth and death data re my aunt, who died before her brother, my father, was born. He told me that her given name was Mildred. I sent my money for searches and was advised that no records were found. I found her baptismal record by a different given name. It happens that the relevant records in this case were not held by the Mo. Dept. of Health, and I was able to review the hand-written birth and death records. I found her birth record by a third given name, but, by the time she died, she was indeed Mildred. A staff simply cannot locate a record under such circumstances. A researcher can, but depends on access to the data. My grandmother's maiden name was very difficult to spell. I knew the ship and arrival date of her aunt (same surname). It took me three times thru a transcription of the ship list to recognize her thoroughly-butchered name. Of course, I could not find her name in the index. I never did find her sister who was with her. My name is Doerr; in an old list, it is spelled 'Ter'. Only by searching the original records, or microforms thereof, can one find the needed data in such cases. (I guess I now have an idea as to how my ancestors pronounced our name.) The researcher has patience and incentive to find the data; any staff must depend on their imperfect indexes and the Health Department has incentive to send a 'no find' letter. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Please see http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/state.htm

David, Would it be possible to send me a copy of this "WORD" document by e-mail? Thanks, Doug Watson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "david whalen" <dwhalen@ipns.com> To: <MOSCOTLA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [MOSCOTLA] Re: William Richardson/Fannie Fetters > Hi Amy, > > The title is "Autobiography and Memoirs of John Fetters" It is/was > available in reprint at the Scotland Co. library for $2.00. My poor > sister transcribed it from a fragile original copy we have before I > found it there. So I do have it in a word document if you like. Besides > discussing Jacob Fetters move from Stark Co.,OH to Scotland Co., MO. it > offers insight into the political climate in Scotland Co. and the > tensions of Scotland Co. residents during the Civil War. I'll be > traveling until Friday, but I can email it to anyone that desires a > copy. I wouild be interested in your branch and I could share what I > have so far... > > >

Records at risk A number of kinds of records that are of value for family historians are often at risk because only the originals exist. Thus, they are at risk of discard as old and value-less, or of fire, storm, mold, age-related deterioration or vandalism. These include mainly school records (teachers daily records that show the names of the pupils, often their parents or guardians), bible records, sexton's records, mortuary records and church records. You may know of others. Some business records are also valuable, if only indirectly. (Fortunately, in Missouri, most courthouse records have been microfilmed, but it pays to check with the officials to be sure.) There are several ways to reduce the risk of loss of these records. These include photocopying, microfilming (with the negatives stored safely, at the LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City or at the State Archives), photography, copying to CD or DVD, and publication in a well-distributed and well-indexed organ. By well-indexed, I mean both name-indexed within the organ and, for periodicals, indexed in Periodical Source Index (PERSI). For the present, a procedure of both publication and filming on silver (not color) film provides the most security. That way, both an image of the original and an indexed transcription is preserved. Digital recording media change so often that the records may become unavailable when the system for reading the media become obsolete and are discarded. This is to urge all those interested in family history to search for such records and to see to the protection of all those found. If you cannot make the rounds of your local courthouses and historical societies and museums, please call around, and use mail or e-mail. Judgment is needed as to where to publish. Church, school, sexton's and mortuary records are best published in a local magazine if it is indexed in PERSI. Bible records, which, by the way, do not lend themselves to microfilming, are best published in a magazine that covers the area in which the family lived, or in a magazine of regional or state-wide coverage if the family extends beyond, say, a county. I offer publication of good transcriptions in the Missouri State Genealogical Association Journal. The Journal is widely distributed, has a good annual index, and is indexed in PERSI. I can work from good photocopies or scans of the originals. There is, of course, no charge for publishing in the Journal, and submitters receive a copy of each issue in which their work appears. If a record collection is too large for publication in the Journal, I can probably help arrange for publication in book form. Bob Doerr, Editor, Missouri State Genealogical Association Journal Please see http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/state.htm

Access to Records In 1910, the State of Missouri assumed the responsibility for keeping vital records. The records were kept confidential, as was proper, at least for birth records. However, some of the records are now 90 years old; it is time to place microfilms of all the birth records, with indexes, that are older than 72 years, and all of the death and other records, into the State Archives for full public access. Efforts have been made in the legislature, but the Department of Health obfuscates. The Department proposes to place on line images of the birth records 90 years or older and death records 50 years or older. That will be fine, but it is not enough. This is to urge that, during this political season, your candidates for the legislature and state senate be queried as to their positions on the matter. Owing to the Federal regulation that census data remain closed for 72 years, that interval has become a de facto standard in the USA. A 72-year interval suffices for privacy. All that is needed is to add to Sect. 193.245 of RSMO 1994 new sub-paragraphs as follows: (4) The department shall enable the State Archives to duplicate, for public access, microfilms of the following: a) all birth records that are 72 years old or older, and indexes to such records, and b) all other vital records and indexes. (5) The department shall enable, annually, the State Archives to duplicate microfilms of the following: a) all birth records that have become 72 years old or older, and indexes to such records, and b) all other vital records and indexes. Bob Doerr Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Please see http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/state.htm

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RMB.2ACE/73.1.1 Message Board Post: The Oscar Rush that is listed in Scotland County, MO was born February 10th 1825 in Hardin County, KY.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RMB.2ACE/54.235.242.1.1 Message Board Post: My grandmother's name was Helen Marie Petit my grandfather was Elmer Lloyd Stoneking. I also know that my Uncle Bob Petit (Helen's brother) married Lillian Stoneking (Elmer's sister). But ours is Petit, not Pettit. Am curious about your Pettits. Email me if there is a connection.

James and Sarah Pruett were married 20 Dec 1847 in St. Louis They are found in the 1850 census in Scotland Co., Mt. Pleasant Twp. James 28 Sarah 24 William 1 James 1/12 James M. Pruett served in the 52 MO INF. In the Civil War If you go to the MOGENWEB Scotland County site and look in the 1876 plat map, you will find James Pruet owned land in Mt. Pleasant Twp. In the 1880 census you find: James Pruet 59, born in MO His father born in Georgia (that gives you a clue where to look for his father) Nancy J. wife 46 (probably a second wife - look at the age difference and ages of the children) there is no marriage record in the Scotland Co. index, but you could check Knox County as they lived on the county line Bell dau 16 Eliga [probably Elijah] son 9 Jane dau 8 Newton son 6 Martha dau 4 George nephew 17 born in Kansas On 10/11/02 12:00 AM, "rckhound68111@yahoo.com" <rckhound68111@yahoo.com> wrote: > Seeking info on James Monroe PRUETT. According to my sketchy info James was > born in St. Louis, Missouri between 1811 and 1822 and moved to Scotland > County, in 1847. At the time of James moving to Scotland, James was supposedly > married to Sarah SIPES. Am trying to determine who were his parents and > did James and Sarah ever have any children. R. Van > Wagenen > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

> I want to thank Dave for locating the info on James Monroe Pruitt. > No problem there. I have been searching for my Mary Catherine's parents for quite a while, so I'm quite interested in any that may have lived in Scotland County. Then again, it seems as if I'm related to half the population of Scotland County. My families have lived there for a long time. -- David Shelton Ancestory website http://www.interl.net/~davestoy/des/aqwx.htm Researching the surnames of: BILLS CLARK CLINE FRUIT/FRUITT/PRUITT HOBSON RUSSELL SHELTON SMITH WILLIAMSON GOLLIHER Have information for: ALBRECHT/ALBRIGHT DEAN/DEEN FAUST/FOUST ROCKHOLD TENNEY/TINNEY UNDERWOOD

I want to thank Dave for locating the info on James Monroe Pruitt. Rich Van Wagenen

On Rootsweb I just found an entry for James Monroe Pruet that lists 5 children for him, though it has him married to a Nancy Jane Pruett. This could be a first marriage because the children were born in the 1860's and 1870's. Here is the page that he can be found at, though I'd verify everything first: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1708631&id=I16 It says he died in Sand Hill and Nancy is buried in the Bible Grove Cemetery. -- David Shelton Ancestory website http://www.interl.net/~davestoy/des/aqwx.htm Researching the surnames of: BILLS CLARK CLINE FRUIT/FRUITT/PRUITT HOBSON RUSSELL SHELTON SMITH WILLIAMSON GOLLIHER Have information for: ALBRECHT/ALBRIGHT DEAN/DEEN FAUST/FOUST ROCKHOLD TENNEY/TINNEY UNDERWOOD

> Seeking info on James Monroe PRUETT. According to my sketchy info James was born in St. Louis, > Missouri between 1811 and 1822 and moved to Scotland County, in 1847. At the time of James > moving to Scotland, James was supposedly married to Sarah SIPES. Am trying to determine > who were his parents and did James and Sarah ever have any children. > Where in Scotland County did James live? It'll help because there seems to be several Pruitts or variations of the name in different parts of the County. My Mary Catherine Pruitt lived around Arbela. -- David Shelton Ancestory website http://www.interl.net/~davestoy/des/aqwx.htm Researching the surnames of: BILLS CLARK CLINE FRUIT/FRUITT/PRUITT HOBSON RUSSELL SHELTON SMITH WILLIAMSON GOLLIHER Have information for: ALBRECHT/ALBRIGHT DEAN/DEEN FAUST/FOUST ROCKHOLD TENNEY/TINNEY UNDERWOOD

Seeking info on James Monroe PRUETT. According to my sketchy info James was born in St. Louis, Missouri between 1811 and 1822 and moved to Scotland County, in 1847. At the time of James moving to Scotland, James was supposedly married to Sarah SIPES. Am trying to determine who were his parents and did James and Sarah ever have any children. R. Van Wagenen

David Hello..its Amy! I would love to receive an email copy of the book. Would I need to contact the library to purchase a copy? Thanks in advance. :-) Amy