Would your James Madison Allen be the one who was married to Sarah Frakes? If so then I have traced that line back to 1740. Actually my grandmother and her sisters did. The James Madison Allen I have was married to a Sarah Frakes and was born in Newport Tennessee. Is he the same person as your James Madison Allen? Let me know and I will be happy to send you information about these Allen's. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Allen [mailto:jeallen@bendcable.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:54 PM To: MORAY-CGA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MORAY-CGA] Allen family in Ray County Searching for information on the Allen family who are in the 1830 census in Ray County. One who I am particularly interested in is Joseph Allen who married Matilda English in Ray County on July 10, 1833. I believe Joseph was a brother to my GGGrandfather, James Madison Allen. They were both born in TN, Joseph in 1809 and JMA in 1813. I don't know who there parents were. Are there any books or publications that might assist me in my search? Appreciate any suggestions and advice! Thank you! Jim Allen in Oregon ==== MORAY-CGA Mailing List ==== Ray County Historical Society, PO Box 2, Richmond, MO 64085