http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp I checked for HARVEY and did find a recorded death for Margaret BROWN, William's mother, in 1875 at St. Ninian's in Stirling. (Sort of kills the typical family story of being thrown out by evil step-parent as he would have been 30 years old.) I found most of the remaining family on the 1881 Scotland census CD if you need that info. All were living in Stirling except for James (living in Linlithgow) and no trace of William or Peter. The "MacDuff" might have come from his place of birth. All his siblings are in the census as born in MacDuff, Banff. -- Jo-Ann Croft -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Ray Christmas" <[email protected]> > > Hi William, > Could you please write me how you access Libindx. I have not heard of it > before. > > Kind regards, > Ray Christmas, New Zealand. > Searching for information on the movements of William Harvey, g-grandfather, > born Gamrie 1845. In his 14th year, he disappeared.(maybe banished from > home by his step-mother) I do not know whether he left Scotland in that year > or stayed on in a workhouse or some other institution, somewhere in the > British Isles. He may have joined ship's crew, or stowed away on a Ship > bound for any one of America, Australia or New Zealand (although in the > latter case he took his time getting here at age 23 ! ! !) > He changed his name en-route to MacDuff. >

Dear Jo-Ann, Thanks for your research and interest. I had researched that the HARVEY family had moved from Gamrie, BANFFSHIRE to Stirling. I also researched at King St several years ago that William appeared with his parents and siblings in the 1851 census when he would have been 6 yrs old. It is said that he ran away from the ill-treatment by his step-mother at age 14, that would have been in 1859, two years before the 1861 census in which he does NOT appear in the several censuses searched through for Banffshire only. I did not have the time to look into other censuses over the whole of Sotlkand to see where he may have been, However, in the intervening years between my last visit to King Street, Aberdeen and the present, I believe that all Scottish censuses have been made available 'on line'. Could you please tell me how to access them. I have also learnt that Scottish wills have been put 'on line' . If so, and you know how to access them, would you please let me know because I would like to see if Charles HARVEY, William's father, bequeathed anything to his son. In this way I might be able to ascertain. if William had told his father where in the world he was, especially if it wasn't NZ at the time of Charles writing the will. I don't quite follow your reasoning in writing that the typical family story has, in this case, been killed. Margaret BROWN could well have been William's stepmother in 1859 when he was 14. There could be a record of the death or otherwise of a first Mrs HARVEY (nee whatever) prior to, say, about 1858(?) Anyway, at the time of the death of William's (step?)mother, Margaret BROWN, William had been married in NZ for 7 years and had about 3 children of his own, all New Zealanders. Even if he had been a 'mummy's boy' (which he wasn't) and stayed at home, till age 30 (! ! ! ! ! !) (which he didn't) putting up with ill treatment from his step-mother, I could not imagine him running away from home on the occasion of her death. With her gone, there would have been no reason, then to run away. Are you American, Jo-Ann. Your ISP being att.net reminds me that a professional colleague of mine had that ISP when employed by an American Company. I look forward to your reply. Should I 'take cover' and view it from behind some sand bags? Kind regards, Ray Christmas, New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Libindx and HARVEY > http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp > > I checked for HARVEY and did find a recorded death for Margaret BROWN, William's mother, in 1875 at St. Ninian's in Stirling. (Sort of kills the typical family story of being thrown out by evil step-parent as he would have been 30 years old.) > > I found most of the remaining family on the 1881 Scotland census CD if you need that info. All were living in Stirling except for James (living in Linlithgow) and no trace of William or Peter. > > The "MacDuff" might have come from his place of birth. All his siblings are in the census as born in MacDuff, Banff. > > -- > Jo-Ann Croft > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Ray Christmas" <[email protected]> >> >> Hi William, >> Could you please write me how you access Libindx. I have not heard of it >> before. >> >> Kind regards, >> Ray Christmas, New Zealand. >> Searching for information on the movements of William Harvey, g-grandfather, >> born Gamrie 1845. In his 14th year, he disappeared.(maybe banished from >> home by his step-mother) I do not know whether he left Scotland in that year >> or stayed on in a workhouse or some other institution, somewhere in the >> British Isles. He may have joined ship's crew, or stowed away on a Ship >> bound for any one of America, Australia or New Zealand (although in the >> latter case he took his time getting here at age 23 ! ! !) >> He changed his name en-route to MacDuff. >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.0/1344 - Release Date: 3/26/2008 8:52 AM > >

You're welcome, Ray. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Ray Christmas" <[email protected]> > However, in the intervening years between my last visit > to King Street, Aberdeen and the present, I believe that all Scottish censuses > have been made available 'on line'. Could you please tell me how to access > them. > I have also learnt that Scottish wills have been put 'on line' . If so, and you > know how to access them, would you please let me know because I would like to > see if Charles HARVEY, William's father, bequeathed anything to his son. > In this way I might be able to ascertain. if William had told his father where > in the world he was, especially if it wasn't NZ at the time of Charles writing > the will. You can access both census and wills online at http://scotlandspeople.gov.uk This is the Scottish government website. It is a pay to view site, but is very reasonable and the images are excellent. The wills index can be viewed at no cost. -------------------------------- > > I don't quite follow your reasoning in writing that the typical family story > has, in this case, been killed. Margaret BROWN could well have been William's > stepmother in 1859 when he was 14. There could be a record of the death or > otherwise of a first Mrs HARVEY (nee whatever) prior to, say, about 1858(?) > Birth record from Old Parish Record (OPR)found on http://www.familysearch.org IGI William D. HARVEY b. 18 July 1845 Registered: Gamrie, Banff, Scotland Parents: Charles HARVEY and Margaret BROWN The original OPR record can also be obtained from scotlandspeople. -------------------------------- > Are you American, Jo-Ann. Your ISP being att.net reminds me that a professional > colleague of mine had that ISP when employed by an American Company. > > I look forward to your reply. Should I 'take cover' and view it from behind > some sand bags? Yes, I am American. I live in Rhode Island. The "typical story" remark was due to many families having "romantic" stories about why their ancestors left home. My family has "the forced into marriage at age 16 to an old man" story about my great-grandmother on one line. It turned out that she married the first time at age 20 to a man her age and they moved away. He died and she remarried at age 22 to the richest man in the area. Another story has proved true with research. My French-Canadian great-grandfather was said to have immigrated to America alone at age 17. And it seems he did. ------------------- Jo-Ann Croft