> Had I known this was already on line it would have saved me hours of work and quite a few dollars! Do not be disheartened, I do not think it has been up for too long. I think this site now has three or four books relating Nairn / Moray. This is a good site if some of your Scots wandered into Canada............. http://www.ourroots.ca/e/ My Nairn natives settled in Dumfries, Waterloo (Halton) Ontario in 1832 and my Ayr folks into Oneida, Haldimand, Ontario in 1842. This site had early texts relating to both these locations. It was neat to get an insight into some of what my early family dealt with.........free of charge!

Thank you, Sherry: your kind words make me feel a little less stupid. I did extensive searches but found nothing... but even then I was guzumped! Personally, I think it is only by reading books and other documents such as Bain or The Statistical Accounts of Scotland etc., that we actually construct a family history. The pursuit of names and vital dates alone only constructs a pedigree and that is useless unless it leads you into more information:- eg, you are heir to a ruined castle in Spain or are entitled to membership of a tribe or, in this case, what was happening around your ancestors in the aftermath of Culloden... That is all those rather funny "begats" in the bible achieved - established legitimacy of later characters but they don't not tell you anything about the men with unbelievable life-spans. For me, it is knowing where and when my ancestors were and what was happening in their lifetimes, how they lived, what their problems might have been, which makes my family history personally relevant to me and perhaps of interest to others. Bain certainly filled me in on heaps of local history which now allows me to perhaps comprehend in some limited way what life was like for those distant forebears. I don't begrudge spending the money - he was worth every penny, but I would have liked it even better - as you suggest - for free.... :-) Bob On Jan 15, 2008 12:06 PM, Sherry Williamson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Had I known this was already on line it would have saved me hours of > work > and quite a few dollars! > > Do not be disheartened, I do not think it has been up for too long. I > think > this site now has three or four books relating Nairn / Moray. > > This is a good site if some of your Scots wandered into > Canada............. > > http://www.ourroots.ca/e/ > > My Nairn natives settled in Dumfries, Waterloo (Halton) Ontario in 1832 > and > my Ayr folks into Oneida, Haldimand, Ontario in 1842. This site had early > texts relating to both these locations. It was neat to get an insight > into > some of what my early family dealt with.........free of charge! > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Bob Hay at home at www.bobhay.net

Bob/Sherry et all, Although the people and history of Moray has been completely interrelated with that of Nairnshire for centuries, can I remind you all that there is a Strathnairn list which deals more specifically with Nairnshire. Coming back to Bob and Bain,I didn't realise it was now online as well but having borrowed a cousin's copy for 2 years, there is nothing to beat the hard copy. It is from my experience the most complete and comprehensive account of our Nairnshire ancestry and I think anyone with Moray ancestry would be hard pressed not to also have Nairnshire ancestry. Regarding the Hays of Lochloy,not only does Bain give quite some detail about this ancient family and its ups and downs, but as I may have mentioned before, my distant cousin Sarah Brodie of Lethen and I have been working on all the inter-related families of Ardclach and Auldearn for around 2 years now and the Hays feature extensively among them all. If I get time I will try and put some detail on to the list, but time is a rare commodity these days. Sarah has transcribed much of the 17th and 18th century OPR for both parishes and she has the advantage of owning all the Lethen estate papers which I uncovered at NAS a year ago and slowly but surely she is working her way trhough them. They include rent accounts from the mid 1600s with some incredible detail. Mark -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Hay Sent: 15 January 2008 02:42 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MORAY] A History of Nairnshire by George Bain 1893 Thank you, Sherry: your kind words make me feel a little less stupid. I did extensive searches but found nothing... but even then I was guzumped! Personally, I think it is only by reading books and other documents such as Bain or The Statistical Accounts of Scotland etc., that we actually construct a family history. The pursuit of names and vital dates alone only constructs a pedigree and that is useless unless it leads you into more information:- eg, you are heir to a ruined castle in Spain or are entitled to membership of a tribe or, in this case, what was happening around your ancestors in the aftermath of Culloden... That is all those rather funny "begats" in the bible achieved - established legitimacy of later characters but they don't not tell you anything about the men with unbelievable life-spans. For me, it is knowing where and when my ancestors were and what was happening in their lifetimes, how they lived, what their problems might have been, which makes my family history personally relevant to me and perhaps of interest to others. Bain certainly filled me in on heaps of local history which now allows me to perhaps comprehend in some limited way what life was like for those distant forebears. I don't begrudge spending the money - he was worth every penny, but I would have liked it even better - as you suggest - for free.... :-) Bob On Jan 15, 2008 12:06 PM, Sherry Williamson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Had I known this was already on line it would have saved me hours of > work > and quite a few dollars! > > Do not be disheartened, I do not think it has been up for too long. I > think > this site now has three or four books relating Nairn / Moray. > > This is a good site if some of your Scots wandered into > Canada............. > > http://www.ourroots.ca/e/ > > My Nairn natives settled in Dumfries, Waterloo (Halton) Ontario in 1832 > and > my Ayr folks into Oneida, Haldimand, Ontario in 1842. This site had early > texts relating to both these locations. It was neat to get an insight > into > some of what my early family dealt with.........free of charge! > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Bob Hay at home at www.bobhay.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mark, That is exciting news. I have been working towards consolidating all the information Bain gives on the Hays of Lochloy and Park plus any other information I have scrounged from other old books on line. Should I continue or will this only duplicate some of your work? As I have told you off-List I am interested not so much in following up any personal ancestry as I am in seeing if the Norman knight and his descendants might have been the means whereby the genetic mutation S28 came to Nairnshire and hence to my Hay forefathers and ultimately to me. The spread of this genetic mutation, found among Continental Celts and thought to be centred on the La Tène culture (haplogroup R1b1c10), is generally regarded as an "invader gene" in Britain and attributed to the Norse Vikings in northern Scotland, usually raiders from Orkney. However, the Normans could well be an alternative source and, because many of those old houses have known pedigrees, as "carriers" of the gene they have the potential to be better documented than the Vikings. It is just a hypothesis but a promising one in that, barring NPEs, some man named Hay must have brought this gene to Nairnshire/Morayshire sometime in the last thousand years or so or I would not be the proud possessor of a latter-day copy of it! Bob. On Jan 15, 2008 10:55 PM, Mark Sutherland-Fisher < [email protected]> wrote: > Bob/Sherry et all, > Although the people and history of Moray has been completely interrelated > with that of Nairnshire for centuries, can I remind you all that there is > a > Strathnairn list which deals more specifically with Nairnshire. > > Coming back to Bob and Bain,I didn't realise it was now online as well but > having borrowed a cousin's copy for 2 years, there is nothing to beat the > hard copy. It is from my experience the most complete and comprehensive > account of our Nairnshire ancestry and I think anyone with Moray ancestry > would be hard pressed not to also have Nairnshire ancestry. > > Regarding the Hays of Lochloy,not only does Bain give quite some detail > about this ancient family and its ups and downs, but as I may have > mentioned > before, my distant cousin Sarah Brodie of Lethen and I have been working > on > all the inter-related families of Ardclach and Auldearn for around 2 years > now and the Hays feature extensively among them all. If I get time I will > try and put some detail on to the list, but time is a rare commodity these > days. Sarah has transcribed much of the 17th and 18th century OPR for both > parishes and she has the advantage of owning all the Lethen estate papers > which I uncovered at NAS a year ago and slowly but surely she is working > her > way trhough them. They include rent accounts from the mid 1600s with some > incredible detail. > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Bob Hay > Sent: 15 January 2008 02:42 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MORAY] A History of Nairnshire by George Bain 1893 > > Thank you, Sherry: your kind words make me feel a little less stupid. I > did > extensive searches but found nothing... but even then I was guzumped! > Personally, I think it is only by reading books and other documents such > as > Bain or The Statistical Accounts of Scotland etc., that we actually > construct a family history. The pursuit of names and vital dates alone > only > constructs a pedigree and that is useless unless it leads you into more > information:- eg, you are heir to a ruined castle in Spain or are entitled > to membership of a tribe or, in this case, what was happening around your > ancestors in the aftermath of Culloden... That is all those rather funny > "begats" in the bible achieved - established legitimacy of later > characters > but they don't not tell you anything about the men with unbelievable > life-spans. For me, it is knowing where and when my ancestors were and > what > was happening in their lifetimes, how they lived, what their problems > might > have been, which makes my family history personally relevant to me and > perhaps of interest to others. Bain certainly filled me in on heaps of > local > history which now allows me to perhaps comprehend in some limited way what > life was like for those distant forebears. I don't begrudge spending the > money - he was worth every penny, but I would have liked it even better - > as > you suggest - for free.... :-) > > Bob > > On Jan 15, 2008 12:06 PM, Sherry Williamson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Had I known this was already on line it would have saved me hours of > > work > > and quite a few dollars! > > > > Do not be disheartened, I do not think it has been up for too long. I > > think > > this site now has three or four books relating Nairn / Moray. > > > > This is a good site if some of your Scots wandered into > > Canada............. > > > > http://www.ourroots.ca/e/ > > > > My Nairn natives settled in Dumfries, Waterloo (Halton) Ontario in 1832 > > and > > my Ayr folks into Oneida, Haldimand, Ontario in 1842. This site had > early > > texts relating to both these locations. It was neat to get an insight > > into > > some of what my early family dealt with.........free of charge! > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Bob Hay > at home at > www.bobhay.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Bob Hay at home at www.bobhay.net

There is also a great program called 'Text Aloud' that will vocally read the book to you, check it out Bev Hay Bob Hay wrote: >Thank you, Sherry: your kind words make me feel a little less stupid. I did >extensive searches but found nothing... but even then I was guzumped! >Personally, I think it is only by reading books and other documents such as >Bain or The Statistical Accounts of Scotland etc., that we actually >construct a family history. The pursuit of names and vital dates alone only >constructs a pedigree and that is useless unless it leads you into more >information:- eg, you are heir to a ruined castle in Spain or are entitled >to membership of a tribe or, in this case, what was happening around your >ancestors in the aftermath of Culloden... That is all those rather funny >"begats" in the bible achieved - established legitimacy of later characters >but they don't not tell you anything about the men with unbelievable >life-spans. For me, it is knowing where and when my ancestors were and what >was happening in their lifetimes, how they lived, what their problems might >have been, which makes my family history personally relevant to me and >perhaps of interest to others. Bain certainly filled me in on heaps of local >history which now allows me to perhaps comprehend in some limited way what >life was like for those distant forebears. I don't begrudge spending the >money - he was worth every penny, but I would have liked it even better - as >you suggest - for free.... :-) > >Bob > >On Jan 15, 2008 12:06 PM, Sherry Williamson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>Had I known this was already on line it would have saved me hours of >>> >>> >>work >>and quite a few dollars! >> >>Do not be disheartened, I do not think it has been up for too long. I >>think >>this site now has three or four books relating Nairn / Moray. >> >>This is a good site if some of your Scots wandered into >>Canada............. >> >>http://www.ourroots.ca/e/ >> >>My Nairn natives settled in Dumfries, Waterloo (Halton) Ontario in 1832 >>and >>my Ayr folks into Oneida, Haldimand, Ontario in 1842. This site had early >>texts relating to both these locations. It was neat to get an insight >>into >>some of what my early family dealt with.........free of charge! >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > > >