There are only three Thomas Barron's in the OPR born between 1760 and 1795 in the whole of Morayshire and Nairnshire (The Altyre estate also included parts of Ardclach parish), and of these Goldie's suggestion of the Thomas Barron born 1786 is the only realistic one. Unfortunately though I can find no record on the OPR of him having a brother John. Perhaps Bill can give us more information about these Barrons to help our search. For instance, Bill, do you have the age at death of James Penrose in 1819, or any dates or ages for his nephews Thomas and John? Alastair MacDonald