Hi Sue & Howard, I too have an ongoing interest in the Roses of Moray - not much seems to be known about them in general but I believe my lot to be a cadet line of the Kilravocks' (adjacent shire in Inverness) before they migrated into England in the 1840's. I am a private reseacher and DNA tested as a descendant of a Kilravock cadet line. I have a lot of general information and many cadet lineages from the Barons' - quite willing to share should you have a further interest. Sue, the Roses of Urquhart (otherwise recorded, we believe, in the 1861 English census as OUHORT) are of interest to me. If you have anything further on this/these Urquhart families I would appreciate learning of them. (I also believe there are a number of geographical references to different Urquharts' in more than one shire in Scotland). I have a pencilled note in my records of an Ann Rose as the child of Patrick Rose the son of (John Rose of Wester Alves & Lochiehills b. abt 1666 in Wester Alves d. 13.04.1724. + 03.03.1698 Margaret Grant, only dau. of Parrick Grant of Whytree and of the Ballindalloch family. This John Rose was the son of Patrick Rose of Logie ' of whom Rose of Lochiehills in descended' 'in Lochiehills' b.1633-34, d.31.03.1727 = (1650?) Margaret or Isabel Tulloch dau. of Robert Tuclloch of Bogtown.) There is more lineage leading back to Hugh Rose 8th of Kilravock. Another son of the above John Rose of Lochiehills was named John who married Anne Cumming dau. of William Cumming of Craigmill and he took part in the '45 rebellion and d. in Virginia, 1762. This John Rose had issue including the well know William Rose of Gask b.11.08.1740 = Mary "The Fair Rose of Montcoffer" Robinson. eldest dau. of William Robinson. They had much issue. William Rose of Cask, Aberdeenshire, d. 1807. Howard, with you being a Geddes you will already know of a likely strong connection with the Roses of Kilravock. If you think it worthwhile I'd be glad to correspond about the deep ancestry of this family and can be contacted at gfr@ibl.bm Regards George F. Rose

Hi George, I'm sorry to take the thread off on a bit of a tangent but the transcript of the baptism of my ggggrandfather John Yule and his twin brother Lewis mentions the Rose family and has intrigued me for quite some time. The text of the baptism record is: “Nairn August 29th 1769. James Yule in town and Anne Petrekin his wife ¬had twins baptized. The eldest named John. Witnessed John McIntosh wheelerwright, John Rose wright, John Rhind wheelerwright, John Petrekin in Moy, Anne McIntosh and Jane Shepherd (wife of Alexander Rose) all in town. The youngest called Lewis after Lewis Rose of Culmeny and Lewis Grant of Grange-green Esquires. Witnessed Elizabeth Petrekin in Culmeny Elspet Rose in Nairn. The children were born the 27th." I would like to know why Lewis was named after Lewis Grant and Lewis Yule. Is this just "cap-doffing" to the local gentry or does it imply some other relationship? Also I assume Anne Petrekin, John petrekin in Moy and Elizabeth Petrekin in Culmeny are all related; if so what was Elizabeth's role in Culmeny? Finally might the Elspet Rose in Nairn be related to Lewis Rose if she is the witness to the son named after him? Any light that can shed would be gratefully received. Brian ---- George Rose <gfr@logic.bm> wrote: > Hi Sue & Howard, > I too have an ongoing interest in the Roses of Moray - not much seems to be known about them in general but I believe my lot to be a cadet line of the Kilravocks' (adjacent shire in Inverness) before they migrated into England in the 1840's. > > I am a private reseacher and DNA tested as a descendant of a Kilravock cadet line. > I have a lot of general information and many cadet lineages from the Barons' - quite willing to share should you have a further interest. > > Sue, the Roses of Urquhart (otherwise recorded, we believe, in the 1861 English census as OUHORT) are of interest to me. If you have anything further on this/these Urquhart families I would appreciate learning of them. > (I also believe there are a number of geographical references to different Urquharts' in more than one shire in Scotland). > I have a pencilled note in my records of an Ann Rose as the child of Patrick Rose the son of > (John Rose of Wester Alves & Lochiehills b. abt 1666 in Wester Alves d. 13.04.1724. + 03.03.1698 Margaret Grant, only dau. of Parrick Grant of Whytree and of the Ballindalloch family. This John Rose was the son of > Patrick Rose of Logie ' of whom Rose of Lochiehills in descended' 'in Lochiehills' b.1633-34, d.31.03.1727 = (1650?) Margaret or Isabel Tulloch dau. of Robert Tuclloch of Bogtown.) > There is more lineage leading back to Hugh Rose 8th of Kilravock. > > Another son of the above John Rose of Lochiehills was named John who married Anne Cumming dau. of William Cumming of Craigmill and he took part in the '45 rebellion and d. in Virginia, 1762. > This John Rose had issue including the well know William Rose of Gask > b.11.08.1740 = Mary "The Fair Rose of Montcoffer" Robinson. eldest dau. of William Robinson. They had much issue. William Rose of Cask, Aberdeenshire, d. 1807. > > Howard, with you being a Geddes you will already know of a likely strong connection with the Roses of Kilravock. If you think it worthwhile I'd be glad to correspond about the deep ancestry of this family and can be contacted at gfr@ibl.bm > Regards > George F. Rose > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message