This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JPurker123 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/1367.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Barbara - I did this line back in 2002 and concentrated on James Winchester, brother of your John as he is a maternal line from my Father. I have more than I am including but enough for you to garner dates and follow up. I do have an image of John and Alexander Winchesters birth in 1796 - they were twins - and can send you other images if it is possible off board. Please ignore the numbers after some of the names; my genealogy programme inserts them. My side of the family moved to Ardclach in Nairnshire and from there to Inverness. I have followed my Gr.Grandmother's siblings a fair bit and some went down to Glasgow and quite a few to Australia. Please contact me anytime if you want more info or futher help .... I think this makes us 2nd cousins once removed ....Best regards Joan (1) 1 William WINCHESTER1, 519, M ---------------------------------------- Birth Date: 1768 These parent names are taken from the death cert of James Winchester (Winster). There are WIN*STER entries and sometimes these apply - note these names can be found also under Urquhart & Glenmoriston, not the same as Urquhart, Elgin. The remaining children's names, apart from James, are taken from GROS and IGI searches for parent names WILLIAM WINCHESTER & ELSPET JENKINS. Spouse: Elspet JENKINS, 518, F Birth Date: 1772 Children:Helen, 520, F (1789-) JAMES, 514, M (1791-1865) William, 521, M (1794-) John (Twin), 522, M (1796-) Alexander (Twin), 523, M (1796-) Margaret, 524, F (1798-) Elspet, 859, F (1800-) Sometimes JUNCAN, JUNKIN, JUNKENS, JENKIN. The above birth date for Elspet is from IGI submitted record under name DUNCAN. Names of children match with other entries for same parents. ??? (2) 1.2 JAMES WINCHESTER 514, M ---------------------------------------- Birth Date: 17 Nov 17914 Birth Place: Urquhart, Moray, Scotland Birth Memo: Witnesses: James Russel & Elspet Winchester Bapt Date: 20 Nov 1791 Death Date: 21 Jan 1865, age: 73 Death Place: Gray's Hospital, Elgin Death Memo: Usual Res: Murdoch's Wynd ; reg by son-in-law John Fraser, 47 North College Street, Elgin Occ: Labourer NOTE - Birth registered under WINSTER- you will find this with several Winchester entries both in GROS and Census records. Spouse: Agnes MACKENZIE nee FORSYTH6, 282, F Birth Memo: Mother a FORSYTH Death Date: 10 Jul 1861 Death Place: Bank St, Elgin - age given as 58 ? Death Memo: aged 58 cause of death 'unknown' Marr Date: 26 Dec 18117 Marr Place: Parish Church, Elgin NOTE - There is no Father's name given on Agnes's death Certificate. Death Ref.No. 1865 135 15 James Winchester, 72 years, Labourer, Widower of Agnes Mackenzie 21st January 1865 0h 30m pm Gray's Hospital, Elgin Us.Res. Murdoch's Wynd Father: William Winchester, Farmer (deceased) Mother: Elspet Winchester ms Jenkins (deceased) Cause: Disease of bladder years as certified by George Whyte MD Reg.By John Fraser (son-in-law) 47 North College Street, Elgin 21.1.1865 (3) 1.2.1 JAMES WINCHESTER, 5, M ---------------------------------------- Birth Date: 28 Oct 1816 Birth Place: Mosstower, Moray Bapt Date: 30 Nov 18166,2 Bapt Place: Elgin Death Date: 24 Oct 1867, age: 508 Death Place: Bught Mills, Inverness Burial Place: Tomnahurich Cemetery, Inverness Section A, Lair # 62. No memorial OPR 135/5 Frame 1309 "James Winchester, Farmer Mosstower (?) and Agnes McKenzie his spouse had a child born 28th Octr baptized (30 Nov1816 ex GROS) called James. Witnesses James Russell & Elspet Winchester. 1. James WINCHESTER - Gender: M Christening: 30 Nov 1816 Elgin, Moray, Scotland Spouse: Joanna MILLAR, 6, F Birth Date: 14 Oct 1809 Birth Place: Auldearn, Nairn, Scotland Bapt Date: 19 Oct 1809 Death Date: 9 Jul 1878, age: 689 Death Place: 11 Bridge Street, Bishopmill, Elgin Death Memo: Reg by daughter Jemima Winchester Burial Place: Tomnahurich Cemetery, Inverness Section A, Lair # 62. No memorial Father: Alexander MILLAR, 260, M Mother: Catharine DAVIDSON, 261, F Marr Date: 8 Dec 1837 Marr Place: Auldearn, Nairn, Scotland Marr Memo: GROS # 8090351 1841 Census Registration District 120 Enumeration District 5 Page 8 Auchnabechon James Winchester 20 ag.lab. Y Joanna 30 Y Alexr 2 Y & 1851 Census Registration District 120 Enumeration District 2 Page 5 Glenairnie, Ardclach James Winster Head Mar 34 Farm servant Moray, Elgin Joanna Wife Mar 40 Nairn, Auldearn Alexander Son 12 Scholar Nairn, Ardclach ANN Dau 9 ditto Joanna Dau 7 ditto Mary Dau 4 ditto Catharine Dau 1 ditto Only Alexander was a scholar, and they are listed as Winster. Children:ANNE, 2, F (1841-1919) My Gr.Grandmother Alexander, 89, M (1838-1891) Catherine (1), 90, F (1840-) Johanna, 92, F (1843-1919) Mary, 93, F (1847-) Catherine (2), 94, F (1850-) Jemima Margaret, 95, F (1852-1914) NOTE - Two Catherines born to this family - in the case of the first named child dying a second is often named after them. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.