Thank you so much Anne, sorry for the late thank you but I had filed your reply to my question & forgot to thank you then. I did find Sandymoss on the NLS Ordance Survey Historical Mapping 1840-80 map. It is close to College of Roseisle and Buthill and Charlestown. I am not sure how to read all the details on these maps but they are very interesting. I do have another query. I have not been able to find out much about my grandmother's side of the family, BARTLETTs and JEFFREYs. My great-grandfather was John BARTLETT born 1846, possibly in Burghead but not sure. There are some Bartletts in Banff area but have found no family info on John anywhere. He was a salmonfisherman and drowned off coast of Burghead, Moray on 14 Feb 1894. He had served as Bombardier in Royal Artillery but not sure what years. I don't know how to look up his military history, I've tried but got nowhere. His wife, my great-grandmother, was Jane JEFFREY born 1852 in Burghead and she died 16 Apr 1917 in Burghead. They married 01 Dec 1876 in Duffus and according to death notice, they had 7 children. All this info came from LIBINDEX death notices. I have not been able to find out any more about the Jeffrey's either. My grandmother was Elizabeth Bartlett dob 1886 and 1901 Scottish census shows her living with her widowed mother Jane and siblings Barbara, John and Alexander at # 1 Station Street, Burghead. I do not know the other children's names. I have found the birth notice for my grandmother Elizabeth but not for any other members of the family. Elizabeth emigrated from Scotland to Canada in 1906. I haven't found any marriage for my grandmother Elizabeth and James Laing either. Any help would be very appreciated. This family search is like a large snowball, family just keeps getting larger and larger--its fascinating. I thought I would just be satisfied knowing where my grandparents came from, etc but now I can't stop just there. Like a child in a candy store, I just want more and more--only information, dates and facts instead of candy. Thanks again Faye from Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <moray-request@rootsweb.com> To: <moray@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:00 AM Subject: MORAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 33 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Laing at Sandymoss (Anne Burgess) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:34:19 -0000 > From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [MORAY] Laing at Sandymoss > To: <moray@rootsweb.com>, <moray-request@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <D0506612F4934EDEBF9135AA946FC531@anneb> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; > reply-type=original > >> I am looking for Sandymoss, which I think is in Duffus area. >> I cannot find it on any > map. >> My great-great grandfather John Laing 1796 lived or was born >> at Sandymoss. I >> don't know if this was a place or a farm. > I think a farm is also a type of place <g> but there certainly > isn't a hamlet or village called Sandymoss. > > The 1841 census lists Sandy Moss in Enumeration District No 8, > and your Laings are the only household at this address (unless > Standmoss, a few pages earlier, is the same place with a > different version of the name). > > Other places listed in the same district are *College of > Roseisle, *Buthill, *Burntland, Williamsaugh, *Eastertown, > Starwood, Woodside, Standmoss, *Longhillock, *Kirkhill, > *Inskeil, *Northfield, *Standing Stone, Rosevally, *Wards, and > *Newton. All those marked * (with a few spelling variations) are > either on the modern 1:25,000 map or listed in the current post > code directory. > > There were two households at Sandymoss in 1881, and the other > places listed in 1881 are much the same as in 1841. > > So it seems clear enough that Sandymoss was somewhere west of > the road from Newton to Burghead and south of the road from > Roseisle to Kinloss. If the 1841 enumerator listed the addresses > is some sort of logical order, which he doesn't seem to have > done, it would be closer to Newton. If the 1881 enumerator did > so, Sandymoss would have been closer to Buthill and Wards. > Either way, you can narrow it down to an area of a few square > miles. > > I had a look on www.old-maps.co.uk but did not find anywhere > marked as Sandymoss on the 1873 six-inch map. With just one > household in 1841, and two in 1881, it was probably too small to > justify being named on the map. > > LIBINDX at http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp does not > list Sandymoss (or Sandy Moss). > > The only other possible line of investigation I can think of is > to see if Sandymoss is listed in a valuation roll in the late > 1800s, find out who owned it, and see whether there is an estate > archive somewhere which might mention it. > > Hope this helps. > > Anne > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MORAY list administrator, send an email to > MORAY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MORAY mailing list, send an email to MORAY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MORAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 33 > ************************************

> Thank you so much Anne, sorry for the late thank you but I > had filed your reply to my > question & forgot to thank you > then. I did find Sandymoss on the NLS Ordance > Survey Historical Mapping 1840-80 map. It is close to > College of Roseisle and > Buthill and Charlestown. I am not sure how to read all the > details on these maps but > they are very interesting. Excellent! I will have to have another look at the NLS map - I probably didn't cast the net far enough north and west. > I do have another query. I have not been able to find out > much about my > grandmother's side of the family, BARTLETTs and JEFFREYs. The 1881 census on CD lists at 4 Salmon HR Station, parish of Duffus John Bartlett, head, salmon fisher, aged 35, born Fyvie, Aberdeenshire with wife Jane, 29 born Burghead and daughter Jane, aged 2. The 1841 census at FreeCen lists at Bankhead, parish of Tarves a household including John Bartlett, aged 5, born Fyvie, with grandparents James Walker, 78, born Tarves and Barbara Walker, 71, born Methlick and their children Ann, 41, Patrick, 39 and William, 28, all born Tarves. This looks like the son of James Bartlett and Elspet Walker, who according to the International Genealogical Index was born in Fyvie on 9 December 1845 and baptised on 31 January 1846. James and Elspet were married at Fyvie on 17 December 1831. They also had Sarah, baptised 17 July 1834 James Walker, baptised 12 June 1836 Arthur, baptised 17 August 1838 John, baptised 13 February 1840 Elizabeth, baptised 31 May 1842 James Bartlet, 48, married, a shoemaker, born Fyvie, is at Woodhead, parish of Fyvie with daughters Sarah, 16 and Elizabeth, 8. James Bartlet, 14, is an errand boy on John Jamieson's farm at Treeroot, Millbrex. The first John presumably died young, and FreeCen doesn't list Elspet of Arthur. I suggest that you go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and invest in a few credits. Use these to find and view the image of the 1876 marriage certificate (6 credits). This will confirm the names of John's parents and tell you the names of Jane's parents. The items in LIBINDX aren't 'notices'. They are references to newspaper reports of the legal proceedings which followed the accidental death of John Bartlett. They probably won't tell you the names of all seven children - it will be more like 'he leaves a widow and seven of a family'. The online index at Scotland's People does not list the death of an Elspet Walker or Bartlet(t), so presumably she died before 1855, but it does list the death of a James Bartlet, aged 62, in Fyvie in 1863. His death certificate (cost 6 credits) should tell you the names of both his parents. A search for births, both sexes, in Moray from 1876 to 1895 finds 7 matches. If you look at the full index (cost 1 credit) it will list the names and years of birth of the 7 children. Broadly speaking military history is in the National Archives at Kew in London, England. I have been there once and did find some information, but I am no expert on finding things there and I can't really advise you. Try the National Archives web site for advice: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ All the foregoing, apart from the 1881 census information, was culled from one or other of the following web sites: (1) http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true (2) http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl (3) www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (4) http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp You might want to explore these web sites more thoroughly for yourself. Hope this helps Anne