I want to thank Anne who on May 7th suggersted I go to LIBINDX for information on my Falconer line. Although I did not find the Falconers I wanted I did find some other infromation on my Trye and McCulloch lines. And amasing enough I found that the Ann Tyre that married John McCulloch was from Edinkillie, a parish that I had not examined Old Parish IGI records from. I also found that the marriage date differed from the IGI Old Parish record date I had. I think the LININDX date is most likely the correct one since they ae using a different source. I will still need to order the microfilms for the Edinkillie records to go through them rather than just examine the online fact. My questions would then be: 1. Have people found the IGI extracts to sometimes be incorrect? 2. The various parishes my ancestors are from are near each other, usually within 7 to 15 miles:. In the Falconer instance, 3 cildren were christened in New Spynie (about 1-2 miles north of Elgin), one in Rafford,(about 4 miles south of Forres) and 3 in Dyke (about 4 miles west of Forres). Did these families tend to move around alot? Or would he mother possibly been visiting relatives or something when she had the child and it was christened in the relatives's paish since the christening usually occurred within 2-3 days of the birth? I guess for some reason, I thought that people would tend to saty in one place and possibly meet their spouses in the same town especially in the era that there were no cars. But I now realize that people were fairly mobile in the 1700s and 1800s and I need to expand my horizons to many of the other parishes that I had been neglecting. Of course when one finds a couple of Ann Tyre' and a couple of John McCullochs in several parishes (and tha! t is using the parish record microfilms-not just the IGI online extracts) that are in the same time span, it really becomes confusing, especially when the mother is not listed for a christening. I would appreciate any comment others mikght have on christening locations. Thank you all again for help you give. Susan McClure

> I found that the Ann Tyre that married John McCulloch was from > Edinkillie, a parish that I had not examined Old Parish IGI records > > from. > I also found that the marriage date differed from the IGI Old Parish > > record date I had. I think the LININDX date is most likely the correct > > one since they ae using a different source. I will still need to order > the microfilms for the Edinkillie records to go through them rather > than just examine the online fact. It is always essential to look at the originals of anything you find online. In particular the date listed in the IGI is often the date of the proclamation of banns rather than the date of the wedding ceremony. However in this case the IGI date is later than the LIBINDX date so you need to try to get hold of both source documents to find out where the discrepancy comes from. > My questions would then be: > 1. Have people found the IGI extracts to sometimes be incorrect? Yes, especailly where the information is 'submitted' rather than 'extracted'. Remember that the IGI does not contain *records*, even though that is how it described them. The IGI is an *index* to the original records, and invaluable as a finding aid, but it is not original data. > 2. The various parishes my ancestors are from are near each other > Did these families tend to move around alot? They would have moved around a bit in the local area, notably if the father was a farm servant. Farm servants were usually hired for six months at a time, and might easily move several times during the early years of his marriage. Once he made the transition from farm servant to farmer or crofter, they would tend to stay put. > Or would he mother possibly been visiting relatives or something > when she had the child and it was christened in the relatives's > paish since the christening usually occurred within 2-3 days of the > > birth? There is no hard and fast rule about the interval between birth and christening. It seems to vary by parish, and in some it can be two months afterwards. In general the child would normally be baptised in the parents' parish of residence for the time being. HTH Anne

Susan McClure asked about date variations in the OPRs and the IGI Hi Susan Just one addition to Anne's input. Sometimes there are occasions when births are registered very late. We've found some families where four or five children were christened/baptized at the same time, several years after their birth. It often shows up as a Frame Reference [FR####] in the microfiche OPR indexes indicating that it is out of the sequential date order. I'm not sure what the reason is for these late entries, but a number of ideas have been aired: 1. The Minister's notes may be transcribed very much later than the event[s]. 2. The Minister has scoured the district for "missed" families in outlying areas. 3. A new Minister has decided to round up the strayed flock ignored by his predecessor. 4. The registering was a legal requirement even if one didn't attend the C of S, so it may have been a Bishop's or Sheriff's edict. This legality was so much ignored [due to the fees?] that the requirement is often not realised. 5. The family may have been away and wanted to set the record straight. 6. The family only just got round to it. Take your pick - there are probably other reasons. But one result is that the birth date was often recorded in these cases, although it is no more a guarantee for a date of birth than the christening records in most OPRs which seldom record the actual date of the birth. "Catching up" late recordings was not so frequent, I think, for marriages, but again it may have happened which could explain differing entries. The other reasons are : sometimes that the banns are recorded leading to multiple records or the banns in the bride's and groom's parishes may be on different dates giving multiple or confusing entries. As Anne says, you have to go back to the original films to try to get to the bottom of any confusion! I confess I don't really trust the IGI at all but it can be a useful starting point. Best wishes and good luck Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Falconer line >> I found that the Ann Tyre that married John McCulloch was from >> Edinkillie, a parish that I had not examined Old Parish IGI records >> > from. >> I also found that the marriage date differed from the IGI Old Parish >> > record date I had. I think the LININDX date is most likely the >> correct > one since they ae using a different source. I will still >> need to order >> the microfilms for the Edinkillie records to go through them rather >> than just examine the online fact. > It is always essential to look at the originals of anything you find > online. > > In particular the date listed in the IGI is often the date of the > proclamation of banns rather than the date of the wedding ceremony. > However in this case the IGI date is later than the LIBINDX date so > you need to try to get hold of both source documents to find out where > the discrepancy comes from. > >> My questions would then be: >> 1. Have people found the IGI extracts to sometimes be incorrect? > Yes, especailly where the information is 'submitted' rather than > 'extracted'. Remember that the IGI does not contain *records*, even > though that is how it described them. The IGI is an *index* to the > original records, and invaluable as a finding aid, but it is not > original data. > >> 2. The various parishes my ancestors are from are near each other > >> Did these families tend to move around alot? > They would have moved around a bit in the local area, notably if the > father was a farm servant. Farm servants were usually hired for six > months at a time, and might easily move several times during the early > years of his marriage. Once he made the transition from farm servant > to farmer or crofter, they would tend to stay put. > >> Or would he mother possibly been visiting relatives or something >> when she had the child and it was christened in the relatives's >> paish since the christening usually occurred within 2-3 days of the > >> birth? > There is no hard and fast rule about the interval between birth and > christening. It seems to vary by parish, and in some it can be two > months afterwards. In general the child would normally be baptised in > the parents' parish of residence for the time being. > > HTH > > Anne > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > " Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a > posted message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not > just the sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All > " Thank you ;-) > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >