Ray, For those of us "o'er the water", how much can we glean from ANESFHS via computer? I'm interested in BMD's in Brechin & Inverurie, to early 1800's. While I've not been active of late, I'm no less interested in all that transpires on this List. I've been busy with Catskill Mt families and history, here in NY. I've found some 'cousins' here, and have been hooking them up with each other. If this is not too off-topic: Robert Livingston wanted to name the Catskills after the Lothians, from whence his family came. The Dutch name won out. What can you tell me of Loch Katrine? There is one here in the Kingston, NY area, and I'd like to try and pinpoint that naming. Also, there is a community called "Toodlum", and I believe there is a dance with that name in it, Tilllie Toodlum Castle? While Toodlum, in the 1850-1900, was mostly Irish quarryworkers, I'm thinking there may be a Scots influence as well. Cheers, Peigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hennessy" <ray@whatsinaname.net> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] GRANT/Blacksmith > Hi Judy > > Further to Anne's reply on the trade, if you want to find the location > of a particular blacksmith, have a look at the 1896 Ordnance Survey maps > [re-published by Caledonian Maps]. These are all held at ANESFHS [who > will sell you copies] and probably in Elgin Library. Ferness would be > on Sheet 84, which I don't have. > > The maps show the location of each "Smithy", usually about 2-4 miles > apart. This was the equivalent of the UK Automobile Association showing > the location of AA-authorised garages in the inter-war years. As the > main means of personal transport in Victorian times was by horse, > travellers would need to know the nearest Smithy should they suffer the > equivalent of a mechanical breakdown - shedding a horse-shoe or breaking > a carriage wheel! > > Best wishes > > Ray Hennessy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> > To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:11 AM > Subject: Re: [MORAY] GRANT/Blacksmith > > > >> Is there anyone who knows anything of the blacksmith trade? > >> Would they be > >> indentured? Apprenticed? Would they travel around the country? > > > > A blacksmith did have to serve an apprenticeship, though I doubt that > > all apprentice blacksmiths in rural areas would have been formally > > indentured. Just as with other skilled trades, sons are often found in > > the census as apprentices to their fathers. > > > > Once he had served his apprenticeship, he would become a journeyman. > > However this has nothing to do with travelling, though many journeymen > > did exactly that. It is from French 'journée' maning '[the duration of > > a] day' and meant that, having completed his apprenticeship, he was a > > skilled man and could work for a master and be paid by the day. > > > > Many young men took the opportunity to go and find paid work with a > > master in another part of the country, and though some subsequently > > returned to their home parish, many did not. (Girls did the same > > thing, entering into domestic service away from home, and often > > marrying where they worked.) > > > > After working as a journeyman for a time, a man could then decide that > > it was time to set up his own business. In some trades there were > > restrictions on who could and could not become a master, but I doubt > > if these restrictions could have been readily enforced among country > > blacksmiths. > > > > Once established as a master, he could then employ journeymen, and > > take on and train apprentices in his turn. > > > > Ferness Bridge, incidentally, is about 10 miles from the town of > > Nairn, though still (just) in the County of Nairn. It is where the > > road from Nairn to Grantown crosses the River Findhorn. You can see it > > on www.streetmap.co.uk if you search for Ferness and zoom in (use the > > third 'house' symbol in the box below the map to get the best scale). > > > > HTH > > > > Anne > > > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > > Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the > > archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. > > The archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or > > established lister. > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be transcribed and volunteers are needed. 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> For those of us "o'er the water", how much can we glean from > ANESFHS via computer? Quite a lot; but it pales into insignificance by comparison with the resources they have in the Family History Shop. > I'm interested in BMD's in Brechin & Inverurie, to early 1800's. You won't find those on the ANESFHS or any online site. There is an index on www.familysearch.org and a better index at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. You need to look at the original parish registers to get the details; but Brechin is in Angus, which is covered by Tay Valley FHS rather than ANESFHS. > What can you tell me of Loch Katrine?There is one here in the > Kingston, NY area, and I'd like to try and pinpoint that naming. I'm willing to bet that it ws named by immigrants after Loch Katrine in the Trossachs - it is one of the best-known of Scottish Lochs, having been 'immortalised' (horrible expression!) by Sir Walter Scott in his poem 'The Lady of the Lake'. A google search will peovide everything you could wish to know about Loch Katrine. > Also, there is a community called "Toodlum", and I believe there is > a > dance with that name in it, Tilllie Toodlum Castle? Yes, but it's just Tillietudlum. Here are the instructions: TILLIETUDLUM (J8x32) 3C (4C set) H Foss Waverly Fugues 1-16 1L followed by partner casts off 2 places, 1L crosses to opposite side, set, lead to top, cross Lady in front into prom hold & Promenade to 2M's place & stand for 4 bars WHILE 2s stand for 2, dance up for 2, 2L followed by partner casts off 2 places, 2L crosses to opposite side, set, lead up to 2L place & face in prom hold WHILE 3s stand for 2, dance up for 2, stand for 2, dance up for 2, 3L followed by partner casts off 2 places, cross to opposite side, set, lead to top & face 1s in prom hold 17-24 3s dance LSh reels of 3 across set with 1s+2s to end facing up 3 1 2 24-32 3s+1s+2s Promenade for 6bars, 3s cast to 3rd place as 1s lead to top & cast to 2nd place as 2s dance to top As you can see it was written by Hugh Foss, but as I don't have a copyof his book I can't tell you why he gave it this name. Tilliietudlem is near Lanark. You can find it on www.streetmap.co.uk at OS Grid Reference 280500,645500. The nearby castle is Craignethan. James B Johnston, in his 'Place Names of Scotland', says that Tillietudlem is a fanciful name found in Scott's 'Old Mortality'. However Johnston is not regarded as reliable by modern place name scholars, so I can't say whether the name was borrowed by Scott for his book, or bestowed by someone who had read the book! HTH Anne