Hi Howard Thanks for all the information - majestic! I've dug through our files and the confusion over Janet GRAY's maiden surname is caused by the documentation. As you note, her name on the various OPR records is clearly GEDDES. When she died aged 85 at Tiffery, Longside on 19 Dec 1885, her son, Malcolm, registered her parents as Alexander GEDDIE and Isobel GEDDIE [m.s. CARLE]. That being the only "official" copy we have, I had taken it as definitive [how naive!!] and changed our early records from GEDDES to GEDDIE. I didn't know then how flaky certificates could be. Sorry about this but it makes connection between Janet and her daughter-in-law's step-mother even more interesting! We now have this tree: James WISELY married (1) Mary WATT; (2) Margaret GEDDES Daughter of (1) was Jane WISELY, m. Malcolm GRAY 14 Dec 1866 Malcolm GRAY was the son of Alexander GRAY and Isobel GEDDES Because Margaret GEDDES is not a direct part of this branch of Sheena's tree, I don't have the link between these two GEDDES women. Do you know if Margaret GEDDES & Isobel GEDDES were related? Any info gratefully received. Thanks for all the inputs Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Geddes" <hwg58lists@hwgeddes.freeserve.co.uk> To: "Ray Hennessy" <ray@whatsinaname.net>; <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Re: Falconer line, and Marjory GEDDES Keith and Portsoy > Hi Ray, > I think your latest confirms absolutely that your Janet GEDDIE > is in fact Janet GEDDES. > This flows from the IGI: > ALEXANDER GEDDES Spouse: ISABEL CARLE > Marriage: 29 AUG 1799 Longside, Aberdeen, Scotland M112185 > Father: Alex Geddes, Mother: Isabel Carle > 1. JOHN GEDDES Christening: 23 JAN 1802 Longside, > 2. ALEXANDER GEDDES - Christening: 19 JUN 1806 Longside, > No sign of Janet, but this is clearly her family. > > Why the variation? No idea! I should think it's just one of those > things, > and I personally wouldn't consider this a 'valid' occurrence of the > surname GEDDIE, it's just a less than perfect memory of family names. > > HTH > > Howard

Hi Ray, You said: > Malcolm GRAY was the son of 'Alexander GRAY and Isobel GEDDES' I think you meant 'John GRAY and Janet GEDDES'. This line leads back to Alexander GEDDES and Isabel CARLE who married 1799 Longside, ABN. Your other line leads back through William GEDDES and Margaret OGSTON to John GEDDES and Margaret CRUDEN who married 1802 Cruden, ABN. You'll have to go back even further to see if there's a connection! By the way, this is now firmly in Aberdeen, so with your permission, perhaps any further follow-up should be off-Moray-list? Regards Howard

Hello Howard, Ray and all Geddes researchers, I am still looking for the parents of Robert GORDON, Vintner in Elgin, who married Mary WILSON. Their children were born in Elgin from 1759 to 1768. Mary Wilson's maternal grandparents were John KELLIE in Newmill and Elizabeth FALCONAR, who married in Forres in 1707. Both are buried in the Alves churchyard. One possibility is that Robert is the son of Robert Gordon in Dundurcas and Margaret GEDDES, christened in Rothes in 1728. There are many other possibilities of course. Howard, I would be interested in viewing your OPRs for the baptisms of the children of Marjorie Geddes and Colin Falconar and for those of Mary Geddes and Alexander Thain. Perhaps something will jump out at me. Thanking you in anticipation, and regards from Denise Sydney, Australia . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Geddes" <hwg58lists@hwgeddes.freeserve.co.uk> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] GEDDES & GEDDIE > Hi Ray, > You said: >> Malcolm GRAY was the son of 'Alexander GRAY and Isobel GEDDES' > I think you meant 'John GRAY and Janet GEDDES'. > > This line leads back to Alexander GEDDES and Isabel CARLE who married 1799 > Longside, ABN. > Your other line leads back through William GEDDES and Margaret OGSTON to > John GEDDES and Margaret CRUDEN who married 1802 Cruden, ABN. > > You'll have to go back even further to see if there's a connection! > > By the way, this is now firmly in Aberdeen, so with your permission, > perhaps > any further follow-up should be off-Moray-list? > > Regards Howard > > ______________________________

Hi Denise, Here's the details. I've done the Fordyce OPR and Alyson Kelman has just kindly provided me all with the Keith ones she fortunately already had to hand. I'm sure she won't mind me passing these on. Colin FALCONER & Marjory GEDDES: Marriage: 22-6-1710 Keith Coline_ Falconar and Marjory Geddes (M111592 - no transcription) Details of their children all bpt Keith: 1. 2-10-1711 Andrew: b Keith 2nd bpt 3 Oct 1710. Wit.s "Mr Andrew Geddes Schoolmr at Esle and Andrew Mitchell in Westertown" 2. 12-4-1713 Mary: born & baptised 12 April 1713. Wit.s "Alexr Robertson younger in Keith and Hierom Spence in Haughs" 3. 26-7-1714 Margaret: b 20 bpt 21 July 1714. Wits "Mr Andrew Geddes Schoolmr at Esle & Alexr Rotson yr mert in Keith" 4. 10-9-1717 Alexander: "incomplete entry, no witnessess" 5. 24-12-1718 Barbara: b 23 bpt 24 Dec 1718. Wit.s "Alexr Robertson & Alexr Thain Merts there" [in Keith] 6. 11-2-1720 Colin: b 10 bpt 11 Feb 1720. Wits "Colin Falconar at Banff & Colin Petrie in Strathboggie, Katherine Gilchrist & Elizabeth Paterson" Details of their children all bpt Fordyce: 7. 21 Mar 1721 William: "21-3-1721 Colin Falconer & Marjory Geddes in Portsoy......Witnesses:,Wm Legg in Auchmore, & Mr Wm Robertson in Cullen." 8. 19 May 1723 Elspet: (no transcription) 9. 13 Jan 1725 Ann: "Colin Falconer & Marjory Geddes in Portsoy had a Lawful Daughter baptized called Ann. Witnesses: James Ogilvy James Robertson and James Martkis[?] all there." 10. 11 Aug 1727 David: "Colin Falconer & Marjory Geddes in Portsoy had a Lawful son baptized called David. Witnesses: David Brember & David Shand both there." I read the date as 21st, the IGI I think has 11th. 11. 22 Jan 1733 John: (no transcription) Andrew THAIN and Mary GEDDES, all Keith: 1. Alexander b 20 bpt 21 June 1709 Wit.s "Alexr Sutherland Elder of Kinminnity and Alexr Robertson elder and your Merts in Keith" 2. George b 23 bpt 24 March 1711. Wits "George Hamilton in Kmty [Kinminity], Geo: Sim elder in Newmilne, Geo: Frazer, Geo: Raphan & Geo: Thain there" 3. Andrew b 24 bpt 25 Sept 1712. Wits "Mr Andrew Geddes Schoolmr at Garmouth & Andrew Mitchell in Westertown" [mother's name written clearly as "Marjory"!] 4. Margaret b 3 bpt 4 Nov 1714. Wits "George Thain in Cuperhill & Hierom Spence in Haughs" 5. Marjory b 17 bpt 18 Nov 1716. Wits "Alexr Robertson in Keith & James Tarras mert there" 6. Janet b 21 bpt 24 Nov 1718. Wits "George Findlater officer of Excise & Alexr Tarras notar in Keith" 7. I've found another child found in the IGI, no transcription: JEAN THAIN b 02 DEC 1720 bpt 04 DEC 1720 Keith, Banff to ALEXR. THAIN and MARJORY GEDDES C111592 8. William b Edindaich 21 bpt Keith 22 Feb 1728. Wits "William Geddes mert in Elgin, Wm Taylor mert in Keith, Wm Taylor in Whitehillock, Janet Mitchell in Kirksel, Margaret Taylor in [illegible]" Note the gap 1720-1728. And another event: 15 April 1709 "Hugh Falconar in Keith had a child begotten in uncleaness to Margaret Henderson baptised and called Janet Witnesses George Thain in Couperhill and George Henderson in Ryrigs" 15 April 1709 (Blinschell copy) "Janett Falconer begotten in Fornication by Hugh Falconer was baptized. Witnesses George Thain in Cuperhill & George Henderson in Fordyce" [sic.] Many thanks to Alyson Kelman for all the Keith info. Regards Howard