Hi Listers, Can anyone please help with WILLIAM GRANT's Where Born listing in the 1851 Census? It is "Elgin, Cromdale"? Has anyone any idea which exact area this would encompass? Would "Cromdale" be north of the Old Spey Bridge, both sides of the Spey, to the boundary of Advie, which would be where?? Anyone with good knowledge of the area? On the IGI the parish is always given as "Cromdale Inverallan and Advie" and I presume Inverallan is south of Old Spey Bridge. I cannot find William Grant's birth, between 1798 and 1801. He was not home for the 1841 census but in 1851 William GRANT aged 50 was living at the Lots of Spey Bridge near Grantown with his wife Elspeth aged 42 whose entry in Where Born was "Elgin, Abernethy". She was born on the east side of the Spey at Sliamore near Nethy Bridge. Their children, ages 16-2, all born at or near Spey Bridge. are "Inverness, Cromdale". Any help gratefully received Helen Australia

> Can anyone please help with WILLIAM GRANT's Where Born listing > in the > 1851 Census? It is "Elgin, Cromdale"? Has anyone any idea > which exact > area this would encompass? > Would "Cromdale" be > north of the Old Spey Bridge, both sides of the Spey, to the > boundary of Advie, which would be where?? Hmmm. Lachlan Shaw (1775) says, "Cromdale, Inveralen, and Advie, are now united in one parish - how early they were so united, I find not." Fullarton's Gazetteer (1842) says, "Cromdale, a parish composed of the three ancient but now united parishes of Cromdale, Inverallan, and Advie .... situated in thecounties of Inverness and Elgin ... houses in Inverness-shire, in 1831, 484; in Elgin 117." In some censuses birthplaces are noted as being Inverallan or Advie as opposed to Cromdale; but in others Cromdale is used for the composite parish. For example I have a note of a family living at Ballinlagg (which is firmly in Inverallan); but in the 1851 census their birthplaces are all listed as Cromdale. So, while my answer to your question is that Cromdale is, generally speaking, on the right bank of the River Spey, downriver (north) of the Spey Bridge, and upriver (south) of Advie, I don't think that you can safely assume that a person whose birthplace is given as Cromdale in the 1851 census was actually born in the Cromdale area of the combined parish. > I presume Inverallan is south of Old Spey Bridge. Inverallan is actually on the left bank of the river, and mostly north of the bridge, not south of it. Grantown-on-Spey and Castle Grant are both in the Inverallan part of the combined parish. > I cannot find William Grant's birth, between 1798 and 1801. He was > not > home for the 1841 census but in 1851 William GRANT aged 50 > was living at > the Lots of Spey Bridge near Grantown with his wife > Elspeth aged 42 whose entry in Where Born was "Elgin, > Abernethy". She was born on the east side of the Spey at Sliamore > near > Nethy Bridge. Their children, ages 16-2, all born at or near > Spey Bridge. are "Inverness, Cromdale". The parish boundaries in this part of the world were not coincident with the county boundaries, and the greater part of the combined parish seems to have been in Inverness-shire at that time (see the extract from Fullarton, above). HTH Anne > Any help gratefully received > Helen > Australia > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or > report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be > found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Thank you very much, both Ed and Anne, for your clarification, and I may be back to you with further questions. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] 1851 Census "Elgin, Cromdale" >> Can anyone please help with WILLIAM GRANT's Where Born listing > in the >> 1851 Census? It is "Elgin, Cromdale"? Has anyone any idea > which exact >> area this would encompass? >> Would "Cromdale" be >> north of the Old Spey Bridge, both sides of the Spey, to the >> boundary of Advie, which would be where?? > > Hmmm. > > Lachlan Shaw (1775) says, "Cromdale, Inveralen, and Advie, are now united > in one parish - how early they were so united, I find not." > > Fullarton's Gazetteer (1842) says, "Cromdale, a parish composed of the > three ancient but now united parishes of Cromdale, Inverallan, and Advie > .... situated in thecounties of Inverness and Elgin ... houses in > Inverness-shire, in 1831, 484; in Elgin 117." > > In some censuses birthplaces are noted as being Inverallan or Advie as > opposed to Cromdale; but in others Cromdale is used for the composite > parish. > > For example I have a note of a family living at Ballinlagg (which is > firmly in Inverallan); but in the 1851 census their birthplaces are all > listed as Cromdale. > > So, while my answer to your question is that Cromdale is, generally > speaking, on the right bank of the River Spey, downriver (north) of the > Spey Bridge, and upriver (south) of Advie, I don't think that you can > safely assume that a person whose birthplace is given as Cromdale in the > 1851 census was actually born in the Cromdale area of the combined parish. > >> I presume Inverallan is south of Old Spey Bridge. > Inverallan is actually on the left bank of the river, and mostly north of > the bridge, not south of it. Grantown-on-Spey and Castle Grant are both in > the Inverallan part of the combined parish. > >> I cannot find William Grant's birth, between 1798 and 1801. He was > not >> home for the 1841 census but in 1851 William GRANT aged 50 > was living >> at the Lots of Spey Bridge near Grantown with his wife >> Elspeth aged 42 whose entry in Where Born was "Elgin, >> Abernethy". She was born on the east side of the Spey at Sliamore > near >> Nethy Bridge. Their children, ages 16-2, all born at or near >> Spey Bridge. are "Inverness, Cromdale". > The parish boundaries in this part of the world were not coincident with > the county boundaries, and the greater part of the combined parish seems > to have been in Inverness-shire at that time (see the extract from > Fullarton, above). > > HTH > > Anne > > > >> Any help gratefully received >> Helen >> Australia >> >> >> ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >> If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or >> report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be >> found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the > archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. The > archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or established > lister. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

At 05:36 PM 1/04/2005, you wrote: >Hi Listers, >Can anyone please help with WILLIAM GRANT's Where Born listing in the 1851 >Census? It is "Elgin, Cromdale"? Has anyone any idea which exact area >this would encompass? Would "Cromdale" be north of the Old Spey Bridge, >both sides of the Spey, to the boundary of Advie, which would be >where?? Anyone with good knowledge of the area? On the IGI the parish is >always given as "Cromdale Inverallan and Advie" and I presume Inverallan >is south of Old Spey Bridge. > >I cannot find William Grant's birth, between 1798 and 1801. He was not >home for the 1841 census but in 1851 William GRANT aged 50 was living at >the Lots of Spey Bridge near Grantown with his wife Elspeth aged 42 whose >entry in Where Born was "Elgin, Abernethy". She was born on the east side >of the Spey at Sliamore near Nethy Bridge. Their children, ages 16-2, all >born at or near Spey Bridge. are "Inverness, Cromdale". >Any help gratefully received >Helen >Australia > Hi Helen, The following is a print out of the parishes around Cromdale Inverallen and Advie, which together formed a single parish. Parish Locator Report ===================== The following list of Parishes are within a 10 Mile Radius of Cromdale,Inverallen and Advie, P, INV, SCT. Parish Name Type,County,Country,OsRef Distance & Direction =========== ========================= ==================== Abernethy and Kincardine P INV SCT NJ0715 8.1 South Advie P INV SCT NJ0728 0.0 Cromdale,Inverallen and Advie P INV SCT NJ0728 0.0 Inverallan P INV SCT NJ0728 0.0 Inverallan P INV SCT NJ0226 3.3 West by South West Inveravon P BAN SCT NJ2028 8.1 East Kincardine (see Abernethy) P INV SCT NJ0715 8.1 South Kirkmichael P BAN SCT NJ1320 6.2 South East This is taken from Parish Locator, a programme which you can download free from http://web.onetel.net.uk/~gdlawson/parfind.htm - I think that this is the program I use, but it is years since I downloaded it, so I cannot be absolutely sure that it is the same one. It will be an experiment for you!. You could do a search for "ParLoc" which is the name that it bears on my computer. Cromdale is a small village just outside Granton on Spey. You can see it iin this map by clicking on the URL: <http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=307500&Y=828500&A=Y&Z=5>http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=307500&Y=828500&A=Y&Z=5 I would have put the situation as "Cromdale in Elginshire" rather than Elgin in Cromdale! You will see Advie a few miles to the north-east of Cromdale near the River Spey, and Inverallan is beside Granton, and is seen in the following map:<http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=302500&Y=826500&A=Y&Z=3>http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=302500&Y=826500&A=Y&Z=3 If you wish to look at the same areas as they appeared in 1874 then click on http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.htm then enter the co-ordinates from the above URLs in the Search box (307500, 828500) and (302500, 826500), Click on Co-ordinate then on Search. You will be given three choices on each occasion - chose "Elginshire" (No.2) and you will see the old Ordnance Survey maps of the same region as the modern maps. If you click on Enlarged view, you will get a newmap which shows a greater area more clearly. With the modern maps you can zoom and zoom out, and get a better idea of the region. You can also re-centre the maps by double clicking on the area which you wish to be at the centre of the new map. Hope this assists you! _ _ Regards, Ed Barron <ejbarron@netspace.net.au>