Thanks, Anne. I'll get on to Scotland's People soon and look up Isabella Fraser. Funnily enough, she did marry fairly far from home i.e. Auchterderran, Fife. I didn't realise the 1861 census was more difficult to access Regards, Linda > > From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> > Date: 2005/02/21 Mon PM 10:53:46 GMT > To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Re: [MORAY] Bakers in Lossie 1860 > > > Thanks for your reply. I did consider illegitimicy but presumed that the > > parents > were married because, on Isabella's marriage certificate, her > > mother is given > as Isabella Rhind, m.s. Fraser, ditto on her death > > certificate. > She would not be the first one to tell a little fib to hide the stigma of > illegitimacy, especially if she married far enough from home for no-one to > know the truth! > > > The other thing > > that made me think of the possibility of 2 Alexander Rhinds being bakers > > (though unlikely) was that her father was said to be deceased in 1887, the > > year > of her marriage, when I know that my Alexander Rhind was very much > > alive in > > 1891 census and on to his 3rd marriage, this time to his cousin, Marjory > > Rhind. > He didn't die until 1914, aged 78. > > > However, I do take on board that Isabella might have been illegitimate and > > this > would explain why I can find no records on Scotland's People. I > > presume that, > for decency, Isabella was called Rhind and, since > > Alexander went to > > Aberdeen, it might have been easier to presume him to be dead. > Possibly. It may also be that Isabella let it be known that Alexander Rhind > was the father - it was fairly common to do this, even if the errant dad had > declined to sign the birth certificate. > > > Anne, I would very much appreciate the 1861 census reference to Isabella > > Fraser. I had a look at the I.G.I. entry and it certainly fits, but I have > > no > > information about where she lived on her birth. > As I said, her birth certificate will tell you the exact address where she > was born. If you get this and let me know, I can find that address fairly > easily. The 1861 census isn't indexed and without that information it would > take a while to search the whole thing. > > > The family who are her descendants say that she was born in Lossiemouth > > and that she was brought up in same household as Ramsay MacDonald. In the > > > 1871 census it states: > > Isabella Ramsay, head, 60 years old, dressmaker, born Elgin > > Annie Ramsay, daughter, 22, dressmaker, b. Elgin > > Isabella Rhind, boarder, 10, scholar, b. Lossiemouth > > James MacDonald, grandson, 4, b. Lossiemouth. > > Unfortunately I don't have an address for this census entry as I got this > > info. > > from the family of Isabella. > I could get that one because I know exactly where Ramsay Macdonald was born > (Gregory Place) in 1867. There's a plaque outside commemorating the > occasion! > > Best wishes > > Anne > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual email address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the mailing list Admin. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >