> I can find only one > James Barron born in Rafford in the time frame likely to be > your James Barron; James Barron, son of Alexander Barron and > Margaret Barron, born in Lochnavando on the Altyre Estate, > baptized 28th April 1767.  However there is no evidence > that he had Penrose as a middle name. There are plenty of people who acquired a middle name after their baptism or their birth registration. I have also seen somewhere a suggestion that the church only regarded the first given name as the baptismal name and would disregard any addiotional names (can anyone verify that?) so the fact that the middle name is missing from the baptism doesn't mean it cannot be the right James Barron. Anne

Any Barron with Penrose as a middle name is likely to come from the Altyre Estate in the Parish of Rafford, Morayshire. Sir Alexander Penrose Cumming Gordon, who was Laird of this Estate from 1776 until his death in 1806, was generally known as "Penrose". The name Penrose comes from the Cumming family properties of that name in Cornwall, in the far south-west corner of England, which had come into the possession of Sir Alexander's father by marriage, so it is not a Scots name and therefore unlikely to have been given to a James Barron from anywhere else other than Altyre. Penrose was born in Cornwall and did not move to Scotland until shortly before he inherited the lairdship from his Great-Uncle in 1776. I can find only one James Barron born in Rafford in the time frame likely to be your James Barron; James Barron, son of Alexander Barron and Margaret Barron, born in Lochnavando on the Altyre Estate, baptized 28th April 1767. However there is no evidence that he had Penrose as a middle name. Regards, Alastair MacDonald

Bill, The following information is from the 1851 Lachute, Quebec census, with death dates and maiden names from Drouin records and the single marriage from familysearch.org William Barron, farmer, b abt 1797 Scotland Ann Barron, b abt 1809 Scotland Eliza b abt 1834 Canada Louisa b abt 1838 Canada Margaret b abt 1842 Canada Mary Ann b abt 1845 Canada ================== John Barron, laborer, b abt 1827 Scotland Jane Barron, b abt 1831 Scotland ==================== Robert Barron, shoemaker, b abt 1829 Scotland ============== Thomas Barron, farmer, b abt 1797 Scotland d 23 Jan 1864 Elizabeth (Hastings) Barron, b abt 1796 United States d 6 Apr 1868 =============== John Barron, laborer, b abt 1796 Scotland Margaret (Raff) Barron, b abt 1798 Scotland m. 25 Aug 1825, Forres, Moray, Scotland ================== -- Jo-Ann

Try Automated Genealogy.com for Canadian census info 1852, 1901, 1911........1881 census is at familysearch.org, the Latter Day Saints site in Salt Lake City. There is a Thomas Barron b 4 Jul 1786, c 7 Jul 1786 in Raddford, Morayshire. His father is John Barron and the mother is Christian Angus. Do you have any births, or ages for these folks........does Thomas have a son named John and a daughter named Christian? Scots traditionally carried on names of parents. Goldie in sunny Kamloops BC. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <barron-gen@comcast.net> To: <MORAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:09 AM Subject: [MORAY] James Penrose Barron > Greetings from Washington State USA where the air is clean, cool and > refreshing (like Morayshire's?): > > According to history books, James Penrose Barron was established at > Chute A Blondeau (Hawkesbury), Prescott, Ontario (Quebec at that > time), Canada when a nephew, Thomas Barron from Morayshire, lived with > him for awhile before moving to Lachute, QUE. in 1809, establishing a > Quebec Barron line by becoming the first Scottish Settler in that area > and whose family played a prominent part in Lachute's history for many > years. In 1832 it is reported that Thomas's brother, John, came from > Morayshire to help Thomas run his properties. Thomas and his wife > were childless but brother John started a small dynasty with at least > one named Thomas "Jr.", in each generation. The last trace I have of > the Quebec Barron line is the death of a last child in 1963 in the old > homestead in Lachute. I would like information to clarify these > families. > > As nephews Thomas and John were from Morayshire I am assuming that > uncle James Penrose was also (there has never been any mention of a > town or parish for those from Morayshire) and would like any help > tracing their lineages. James Penrose died 1819 at Chute A Blondeau > and had had more than one wife resulting in two sons, Joseph (b 1812 > married Mary Bloomer b 1817 Ireland) and James Barron. I am the > direct descendant of Joseph and Mary. > > I'm finding Scotland confusing to research and any help would be > appreciated and, of course I would be happy to share Barron family > information. > > Thank you > > Bill Barron > barron-gen@comcast.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Greetings from Washington State USA where the air is clean, cool and refreshing (like Morayshire's?): According to history books, James Penrose Barron was established at Chute A Blondeau (Hawkesbury), Prescott, Ontario (Quebec at that time), Canada when a nephew, Thomas Barron from Morayshire, lived with him for awhile before moving to Lachute, QUE. in 1809, establishing a Quebec Barron line by becoming the first Scottish Settler in that area and whose family played a prominent part in Lachute's history for many years. In 1832 it is reported that Thomas's brother, John, came from Morayshire to help Thomas run his properties. Thomas and his wife were childless but brother John started a small dynasty with at least one named Thomas "Jr.", in each generation. The last trace I have of the Quebec Barron line is the death of a last child in 1963 in the old homestead in Lachute. I would like information to clarify these families. As nephews Thomas and John were from Morayshire I am assuming that uncle James Penrose was also (there has never been any mention of a town or parish for those from Morayshire) and would like any help tracing their lineages. James Penrose died 1819 at Chute A Blondeau and had had more than one wife resulting in two sons, Joseph (b 1812 married Mary Bloomer b 1817 Ireland) and James Barron. I am the direct descendant of Joseph and Mary. I'm finding Scotland confusing to research and any help would be appreciated and, of course I would be happy to share Barron family information. Thank you Bill Barron barron-gen@comcast.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: GeorgeRose91 Surnames: Rose, McIntosh, Young Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2376/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Am interested in the marriage which of William Rose to Dorcas McIntosh on 22 Jan 1802 at Ardclach, Narinshire, Scotland. Their son William Rose was born on 18 July 1804, bapt. 20 July 1804 at Ardclach, Nairnshire. This William Rose (1804) believed to have married Margaret Young (1811)and both were located at Urquhart, Moray, Scotland on 16.05.1840 at birth of a son William (1840). Both families appear to have migrated south into Yorkshire, England circa. 1840 and then into Warwickshire where they are found in 1851 and 1861. Margaret Rose, aged 70, widowed and having been born in Urquhart, Scotland is seen in 1881 census as living in London. Very grateful for any information concerning these familes. Thank you. George Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Leonie Thanks for the response. There appears to have been quite a diaspora of Deys and related families in the latter half of the 19th century. There are Deys in Australia in different parts, New Zealand again different parts but mainly around Dunedin. Peter Dey (1836-1892) like most Deys a carpenter went in 1865 and was a successful building contractor and became the first Mayor of Mosgiel (established by a relative of Robert Burns hence the name), Dunedin.He was the son of Alexander Dey 1805 - 1865 who was carpenter and farmer at Forkins, Botriphnie and neighbour to George McWillie. Peter's cousin Jane Dey married William Keith in Nov 1859. They went to New Zealand and Australia but moved back to New Zealand where they died. There are also Deys from Mortlach who went to South Africa and one of them James Dey served in the South African Rifles and died in WWI, his folks were in Pretoria S.A.. He is commemorated on a memorial in Botriphnie Kirkyard I have information on James Dey and Elizabeth Mitchell (parents William Mitchell and Helen Clark) who were married at Mortlach in 1856. John Dey their son who married distant relative Hannah Grant was born at Mortlach and was baptised 30 March 1858. I will contact you direct. I am also looking for information on the Anderson family of Aberlour. Elizabeth Anderson (1771 -1850) who married James Dey (abt 1773-1850) was the daughter of James Anderson b Dec 1724 at Aberlour. If any Anderson researchers have any information I would welcome hearing from them. Best Regards George On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:28 AM, Leonie Oliver <gloliver@bigpond.net.au>wrote: > Hello George > I can't help you with going further back, but I do have a connection to the > DEY family- > John DEY married Hannah GRANT at her parents' house in Rothes on 29 June > 1889. John was the son of James DEY and Elizabeth MITCHELL. James DEY was > the son of James (2) DEY and Jane STEWART, James (2) DEY was the son of > James (3) DEY and Elizabeth ANDERSON. > John DEY was born in Dufftown about 1860 and died 12 Oct 1914 in Glasgow. > He too was a carpenter. He and Hannah had 2 sons-James (4) born 1890 and > John (2) born 1892. > John (2) married before WW1 but died in France on 1 July 1916. I don't > think he had any children, but from the death indexes it appears his widow > had at least 3. > James (4) married Amelia Isabella McGURK on 28 Feb 1913 and had 5 children > I > think. If you would like more information on them please contact me on > gloliver@bigpond.net.au. > My interest in the DEY family is through Hannah GRANT who was the daughter > of David Grant and Unnie Findlay. Four of Unnie's sisters and a brother > immigrated to Australia in the 1850s while Unnie and her sister Bathia and > a > brother James stayed at home in Scotland. > I am a descendant of one of Unnie's sisters. > Regards > Leonie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- George Brander Torre de la Horadada España

Hello George I can't help you with going further back, but I do have a connection to the DEY family- John DEY married Hannah GRANT at her parents' house in Rothes on 29 June 1889. John was the son of James DEY and Elizabeth MITCHELL. James DEY was the son of James (2) DEY and Jane STEWART, James (2) DEY was the son of James (3) DEY and Elizabeth ANDERSON. John DEY was born in Dufftown about 1860 and died 12 Oct 1914 in Glasgow. He too was a carpenter. He and Hannah had 2 sons-James (4) born 1890 and John (2) born 1892. John (2) married before WW1 but died in France on 1 July 1916. I don't think he had any children, but from the death indexes it appears his widow had at least 3. James (4) married Amelia Isabella McGURK on 28 Feb 1913 and had 5 children I think. If you would like more information on them please contact me on gloliver@bigpond.net.au. My interest in the DEY family is through Hannah GRANT who was the daughter of David Grant and Unnie Findlay. Four of Unnie's sisters and a brother immigrated to Australia in the 1850s while Unnie and her sister Bathia and a brother James stayed at home in Scotland. I am a descendant of one of Unnie's sisters. Regards Leonie ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Brander" <george.brander@gmail.com> To: <moray@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:12 AM Subject: [MORAY] George Mc Willie - Diary of a tenant farmer 1826 -1876 Greetings from Spain. The last few days have seen the usual sunshine interrupted by violent rainstorms but I have spent the time profitably reading through the diaries of first George McWillie The Diary of a tenant farmer 1826 - 1876 in Botriphnie and that of William McWillie of the Backies, Deskford. The first can be found at http://www.botriphnie.org.uk/mcwillie_diary.htm They give a fascinating insight into life in the 1800s and George gives vivid accounts of the weather, preachers, crops, the cattle plaque of 1865, he even finds space to comment on the sending of the 20 ships of the British fleet to Russia and our American cousins may be interested in his asides about the American Civil War. Of great interest are his mentions of his travels not only locally to Keith, Dufftown and Aberdeen but also to Edinburgh, Glasgow and Greenock. But most interesting are his commentaries on the domestic and social life of the times where he records the joys and the grief of births and bereavements and he mentions local families. Ancestors of both my wife and self lived in this area and he mentions a number of the farms and families by name. One entry which I would like to share with you is about and Dey ancestor of my wife. The Deys have farmed at Forkins Botriphnie for generations and this is George's entry for March 1865. *March 1865.* Begins cold the 2nd and 3rd, rain and sleet. The 6th, 7th and 8th, frost and snow showrs, the plow going on some bear places and others guide keans whean for old wreaths of snow, all my old ricks of the 8th. Always frost at night and cold throug the day, onto the 9th, the night Alexr. Dey, wright at Forkins died. It was him that furnished my house. One of the best nighbours, and most joky man in the parish. The man that saw, thought he saw nothing and he saw althings almost through a stone, Oh, a great blank on the roadside, aged 59. High wind and verry cold the 17th, the day of his funeral to Mortlach. I bought a quoy at the calving from Mr. Longmure, banker, Keith the 16th. The 17th and 18th, both high wind and desperate frost. The 19th, 20th and 21st, hard frost and percing cold with showrs of small haill too hard for the plow. The 25th, about 3 inchs and the 26th, thair is 8 inchs. I was not at church, it snowed all day, but the 27th and 28th, quite fresh, the 30th and 31st beautiful. Thair is still many old snow wreaths on a dale of the land. Now I give my certificate that this book is all truth as fare as I know, or read from the papers, yours firmly George McWillie. What an epitaph for Alexander Dey (1805 -1865) He was the son of James Dey and Elizabeth Anderson who married at Aberlour 28 March 1795.James like most of the Deys was a carpenter. The Deys are fairly well documented back to James Dey (abt1773 -1850) and Elizabeth Anderson but would be interested in hearing from anyone who has got further back Regards George George Brander Torre de la Horadada España ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Further to my posting of 30 September re the diaries of George Mc Willie 1826 to 1876 in the parish of Botriphnie and those of William McWillie 1881 to 1886 at Deskford there is also a McWillie family hsitory website at http://users.accesscomm.ca/mcwillie/index.htm which will be of interest if you have ancestors in the Botriphnie, Boharm, inveravon, Keith or Deskford areas. regards george -- George Brander Torre de la Horadada España

I would also like to add that crofter John Murison (c1690-c1760) and his descendants kept a large number of documents and correspondence relating to their life, work and businesses in the Gamrie and Alvah parishes for close on 200 years. The Murison family handed this little goldmine over to the National Archives of Scotland some years ago for safe keeping. These documents are filed under RefNo GD1/808 and title "Murison (Morrison) Family, Troup, Banffshire and Canada", dated 1732-1881, and they can be read online in precis form. I'm not sure how "Morrison" got into the title, but one of old John's sons did register all his children as Morison and he sent back from Edinburgh comments on life in that city in the mid-1700s. A hundred years later, another member of this Murison family, along with a few Dufftown Garrows, emigrated to Canada and sent back detailed letters describing his farming life in Ontario. Chris Duff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Geddes" <hw_02-lst-mor@hwg59lists.waitrose.com> To: "List Moray" <MORAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] [Moray] Geo McWillie & James Wilson diaries >I would remind everyone, too, that the diaries of Willie McWILLIE's good > friend James WILSON are also published - covers from 1879-1892, in > hardback > book by the Scottish History Society, so you'll have to pay. > > "Journal of My Life, and Everyday Doings" ISBN 978-0-906245-27-0. 400pp > and > indexed. > > WILSON farmed Knowes, Deskford; McWILLIE farmed Backies, Deskford > > Howard Geddes > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I would remind everyone, too, that the diaries of Willie McWILLIE's good friend James WILSON are also published - covers from 1879-1892, in hardback book by the Scottish History Society, so you'll have to pay. "Journal of My Life, and Everyday Doings" ISBN 978-0-906245-27-0. 400pp and indexed. WILSON farmed Knowes, Deskford; McWILLIE farmed Backies, Deskford Howard Geddes

Greetings from Spain. The last few days have seen the usual sunshine interrupted by violent rainstorms but I have spent the time profitably reading through the diaries of first George McWillie The Diary of a tenant farmer 1826 - 1876 in Botriphnie and that of William McWillie of the Backies, Deskford. The first can be found at http://www.botriphnie.org.uk/mcwillie_diary.htm They give a fascinating insight into life in the 1800s and George gives vivid accounts of the weather, preachers, crops, the cattle plaque of 1865, he even finds space to comment on the sending of the 20 ships of the British fleet to Russia and our American cousins may be interested in his asides about the American Civil War. Of great interest are his mentions of his travels not only locally to Keith, Dufftown and Aberdeen but also to Edinburgh, Glasgow and Greenock. But most interesting are his commentaries on the domestic and social life of the times where he records the joys and the grief of births and bereavements and he mentions local families. Ancestors of both my wife and self lived in this area and he mentions a number of the farms and families by name. One entry which I would like to share with you is about and Dey ancestor of my wife. The Deys have farmed at Forkins Botriphnie for generations and this is George's entry for March 1865. *March 1865.* Begins cold the 2nd and 3rd, rain and sleet. The 6th, 7th and 8th, frost and snow showrs, the plow going on some bear places and others guide keans whean for old wreaths of snow, all my old ricks of the 8th. Always frost at night and cold throug the day, onto the 9th, the night Alexr. Dey, wright at Forkins died. It was him that furnished my house. One of the best nighbours, and most joky man in the parish. The man that saw, thought he saw nothing and he saw althings almost through a stone, Oh, a great blank on the roadside, aged 59. High wind and verry cold the 17th, the day of his funeral to Mortlach. I bought a quoy at the calving from Mr. Longmure, banker, Keith the 16th. The 17th and 18th, both high wind and desperate frost. The 19th, 20th and 21st, hard frost and percing cold with showrs of small haill too hard for the plow. The 25th, about 3 inchs and the 26th, thair is 8 inchs. I was not at church, it snowed all day, but the 27th and 28th, quite fresh, the 30th and 31st beautiful. Thair is still many old snow wreaths on a dale of the land. Now I give my certificate that this book is all truth as fare as I know, or read from the papers, yours firmly George McWillie. What an epitaph for Alexander Dey (1805 -1865) He was the son of James Dey and Elizabeth Anderson who married at Aberlour 28 March 1795.James like most of the Deys was a carpenter. The Deys are fairly well documented back to James Dey (abt1773 -1850) and Elizabeth Anderson but would be interested in hearing from anyone who has got further back Regards George George Brander Torre de la Horadada España

Thanks for the picture, Ann, of my old home - now Animal Country Hotel - was Smithfield up to 1967ish when the farm land went on to Millhill's (formerly Trochelhill) and the house and steading were sold separately. Goldie - years ago I went to Charlotte Square in Edinburgh to look up the estate rent books (Duke of Gordon's first and later Crown Estate) and remember seeing Doulsburn in the ledger - unfortunately I don't think I noted anything down about it but also wondered where it was. Linda Boyd ---- Anne Burgess <anne.listmail@btinternet.com> wrote: > > pinpointing the croft of DOULSBURN, parish of > > Speymouth?  > > I live near there and I have driven, walked and cycled around Speymouth, but I do not recognise the name Doulsburn. > > However in the 1841 census it is listed with Blackburn and Bads. The latter will be the area including Easter and Wester Bauds, which is south of the main A96 road west of Mosstodloch. Blackburn is a little further south, beside the railway line. > > See http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ3059, which I reckon must be pretty close to Doulsburn > > I can find Blackburn and Easter and Wester Bauds on the 1870s six-inch Ordnance Survey maps, but not Doulsburn. > > So I think that Doulsburn must have disappeared, perhaps under some of the forest plantations. There is a slim chance that it could be a mistranscription in FreeCen, because the rest of the same enumeration district has some truly weird-looking transcriptions of place names. > > Hope this helps. > > Anne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

goldie and Lido Doratti wrote: >Can any Lister help me out pinpointing the croft of DOULSBURN, parish of Speymouth? I'm doing some Innes research in the area and cannot find it on the Land Ranger map #28. > I eventually ran it to earth in Thomson's "Atlas of Scotland" published in 1832. This shows Doulburn to the southwest of Mosstodloch, and south of Bauds. You can see this on the NLS site at: http://www.nls.uk/maps/atlas/thomson/566.html (click on the map to view) I estimate that this would be in map square NJ3059, and its disappearance may be due to the fact that the former branch railway line from Orbliston Junction to Fochabers runs pretty close to that location. Gavin Bell

Anne Burgess wrote: >>pinpointing the croft of DOULSBURN, parish of >>Speymouth? >> >> > >... > >So I think that Doulsburn must have disappeared, perhaps under some of the forest plantations. There is a slim chance that it could be a mistranscription in FreeCen, because the rest of the same enumeration district has some truly weird-looking transcriptions of place names. > > I think we can absolve FreeCEN in this instance, as the name appears (as "Douls Burn") in the 1851 Census, too - but in a transcription that predates FreeCEN and which was carried out by people with good local knowledge. I would be tempted to look at the Census for a number of succeeding Censuses, and look for one of two possible scenarios: (1) an entire group of names or families found in 1841 and/or 1851 which vanish entirely between one Census and the next - that would suggest that the place was abandoned (eg by becoming forest). (2) some, at least, of the families/names found in 1841/1851 reappearing in the equivalent Enumeration District in later Censuses, but with a different "address" - that would suggest that the place changed its name (not unknown) This is probably most easily done using the Census *films*. Gavin Bell

Thanks Gavin, I wasn't far off, but close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades!!! Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Bell" <g.bell@which.net> To: <moray@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Croft of DOULSBURN - found at last! > goldie and Lido Doratti wrote: > >>Can any Lister help me out pinpointing the croft of DOULSBURN, parish of >>Speymouth? I'm doing some Innes research in the area and cannot find it >>on the Land Ranger map #28. >> > > I eventually ran it to earth in Thomson's "Atlas of Scotland" published > in 1832. This shows Doulburn to the southwest of Mosstodloch, and south > of Bauds. You can see this on the NLS site at: > > http://www.nls.uk/maps/atlas/thomson/566.html > > (click on the map to view) > > I estimate that this would be in map square NJ3059, and its > disappearance may be due to the fact that the former branch railway line > from Orbliston Junction to Fochabers runs pretty close to that location. > > > Gavin Bell > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

> pinpointing the croft of DOULSBURN, parish of > Speymouth?  I live near there and I have driven, walked and cycled around Speymouth, but I do not recognise the name Doulsburn. However in the 1841 census it is listed with Blackburn and Bads. The latter will be the area including Easter and Wester Bauds, which is south of the main A96 road west of Mosstodloch. Blackburn is a little further south, beside the railway line. See http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ3059, which I reckon must be pretty close to Doulsburn I can find Blackburn and Easter and Wester Bauds on the 1870s six-inch Ordnance Survey maps, but not Doulsburn. So I think that Doulsburn must have disappeared, perhaps under some of the forest plantations. There is a slim chance that it could be a mistranscription in FreeCen, because the rest of the same enumeration district has some truly weird-looking transcriptions of place names. Hope this helps. Anne

Thanks for this, Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: <suedog@tesco.net> To: <moray@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Croft of DOULSBURN > Thanks for the picture, Ann, of my old home - now Animal Country Hotel - > was Smithfield up to 1967ish when the farm land went on to Millhill's > (formerly Trochelhill) and the house and steading were sold separately. > Goldie - years ago I went to Charlotte Square in Edinburgh to look up the > estate rent books (Duke of Gordon's first and later Crown Estate) and > remember seeing Doulsburn in the ledger - unfortunately I don't think I > noted anything down about it but also wondered where it was. > Linda Boyd > > > > ---- Anne Burgess <anne.listmail@btinternet.com> wrote: >> > pinpointing the croft of DOULSBURN, parish of >> > Speymouth? >> >> I live near there and I have driven, walked and cycled around Speymouth, >> but I do not recognise the name Doulsburn. >> >> However in the 1841 census it is listed with Blackburn and Bads. The >> latter will be the area including Easter and Wester Bauds, which is south >> of the main A96 road west of Mosstodloch. Blackburn is a little further >> south, beside the railway line. >> >> See http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ3059, which I reckon must be >> pretty close to Doulsburn >> >> I can find Blackburn and Easter and Wester Bauds on the 1870s six-inch >> Ordnance Survey maps, but not Doulsburn. >> >> So I think that Doulsburn must have disappeared, perhaps under some of >> the forest plantations. There is a slim chance that it could be a >> mistranscription in FreeCen, because the rest of the same enumeration >> district has some truly weird-looking transcriptions of place names. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Anne >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

goldie and Lido Doratti wrote: >Can any Lister help me out pinpointing the croft of DOULSBURN, parish of Speymouth? I'm doing some Innes research in the area and cannot find it on the Land Ranger map #28. I do know Speymouth parish was made up from the parishes of Essil and Dipple, so I think it must be the same general area, but cannot find it. I also know not all crofts are on the map, but I'm taking a chance that someone who lives in the NE of Scotland is on line. > > It doesn't even appear on the ca. 1870 Ordnance Survey large-scale maps. I don't have the 1841 Census to hand, but in the 1851, "Douls Burn" appears as the residence of some 33 souls, in a dozen separate housholds, spread over two separate Enumeration Districts, so I rather think it is the name of an area, not of a single location. The only other "address" which appears in the same Enumeration Districts is "Bauds", a name which is applied on the map to a single "fairmtoun", but which was probably also the name of an area. One thought occurs: there is a watercourse near the farm of Bauds which is labelled as "the Black Burn" - perhaps the "Douls Burn" was an alternative name for it. Gavin Bell

JUst to add -- it is given on the OPR's as well. But likely you are right and it was a small croft which has disappeared or taken into a larger one. On one of the baptism records Bauds was mentioned, so I thought it must be close by, but I couldn't be sure. With thanks for all your help........GOldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.listmail@btinternet.com> To: <moray@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Croft of DOULSBURN > pinpointing the croft of DOULSBURN, parish of > Speymouth? I live near there and I have driven, walked and cycled around Speymouth, but I do not recognise the name Doulsburn. However in the 1841 census it is listed with Blackburn and Bads. The latter will be the area including Easter and Wester Bauds, which is south of the main A96 road west of Mosstodloch. Blackburn is a little further south, beside the railway line. See http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ3059, which I reckon must be pretty close to Doulsburn I can find Blackburn and Easter and Wester Bauds on the 1870s six-inch Ordnance Survey maps, but not Doulsburn. So I think that Doulsburn must have disappeared, perhaps under some of the forest plantations. There is a slim chance that it could be a mistranscription in FreeCen, because the rest of the same enumeration district has some truly weird-looking transcriptions of place names. Hope this helps. Anne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message