> I can forward the OPR page if desired. > Jo-Ann Croft Please do. I'll see if I can decipher it. Anne

I have a Margaret INNES who married John WINSTER (Winchester) in 1771 in Drainie, both of this parish. At the baptism of their son Alexander in 1777, the witnesses were Alexander Paul in Plewland & Alexander Innes in ? House Do any of the INNES researchers know what the house name would be. It is split between two lines and the first part looks like "oven" and on the next line is "-ale", which is very clear. I can forward the OPR page if desired. -- Jo-Ann Croft

This is an extract from the 'Northern Scot', dated 6 November 2009. The article is headed 'The Great Savings Plan' and outlines a whole range of cuts intended to reduce Moray Council's expenditure. "Libraries and Museums. Reduce budget by various staff reductions, including the local heritage officer post .... reductions in hours and closures .... increase income generation by local heritage service (£5,500) .... transfer archives .... from Forres Tolbooth .... " The article does not say specifically how the 'reductions in hours and closures' would affect the local heritage centre, but is is hard to see how the centre could function at all, let alone at its present level, without someone in charge of it. And how do they propose to increase income without an officer to do the work? There is a consultation period during which members of the public can respond to the proposals. Responses must be submitted by December 15 and can be emailed (sic) to budget@moray.gov.uk I have written a letter to the Chief Executive, Moray Council, Council Headquarters, Elgin IV30 1BX to express my shock and outrage at, and strong opposition to, this proposal. Anne You don't stop laughing because you grow old. You grow old because you stop laughing. (Michael Pritchard) Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never fail to be amused (Joachim Verhagen)

Might be Innes House, but there were other Innes homes in the area as well. If you send me some info I will attempt to find these folks in my books on Innes.......I'm an Innes by birth, Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: <jecroft@att.net> To: <Moray@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 5:18 AM Subject: [MORAY] Where did this Innes live? >I have a Margaret INNES who married John WINSTER (Winchester) in 1771 in >Drainie, both of this parish. At the baptism of their son Alexander in >1777, the witnesses were Alexander Paul in Plewland & Alexander Innes in ? >House > > Do any of the INNES researchers know what the house name would be. It is > split between two lines and the first part looks like "oven" and on the > next line is "-ale", which is very clear. > > I can forward the OPR page if desired. > > -- > Jo-Ann Croft > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Anne, Thank you for sending the article on "The Great Savings Plan". My trip to Scotland and of course my extended stay to the Moray Heritage Centre was postponed this year but still plan to make the visit. I am sure the Moray Council has considered the economic spin off from visitors who come to the region to learn more about their heritage, such as supporting accommodations, artisans, restaurants & pubs. My wish would be that the council will look at preserving the services that are being offered at present but will also explore how perhaps an investment in expansion of services could be a revenue generator. Libraries and Museums are an investment not an expense. Researching family roots is a growing industry and is set to be even bigger if you look at the demographics of the baby boomers just starting to retire. This is the ideal time to ensure that the region is ready to accommodate visitors and ensure that their experience will result in repeat visits and referrals. Researching best practices of other worldwide communities where a strategic decision was made to ensure that libraries and museums were accessible and a place of learning for the community and visitors thus preserving a communities' culture would be my goal. Deb Hamilton Canada -----Original Message----- From: moray-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:moray-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Burgess Sent: November 12, 2009 5:54 AM To: Moray@rootsweb.com; Sct-Banffshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [MORAY] OT? - Elgin Local Heritage Centre threatened This is an extract from the 'Northern Scot', dated 6 November 2009. The article is headed 'The Great Savings Plan' and outlines a whole range of cuts intended to reduce Moray Council's expenditure. "Libraries and Museums. Reduce budget by various staff reductions, including the local heritage officer post .... reductions in hours and closures .... increase income generation by local heritage service (£5,500) .... transfer archives .... from Forres Tolbooth .... " The article does not say specifically how the 'reductions in hours and closures' would affect the local heritage centre, but is is hard to see how the centre could function at all, let alone at its present level, without someone in charge of it. And how do they propose to increase income without an officer to do the work? There is a consultation period during which members of the public can respond to the proposals. Responses must be submitted by December 15 and can be emailed (sic) to budget@moray.gov.uk I have written a letter to the Chief Executive, Moray Council, Council Headquarters, Elgin IV30 1BX to express my shock and outrage at, and strong opposition to, this proposal. Anne You don't stop laughing because you grow old. You grow old because you stop laughing. (Michael Pritchard) Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never fail to be amused (Joachim Verhagen) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.60/2496 - Release Date: 11/11/09 07:40:00

This is from the Moray list and a tireless geneology resource, Anne Burgess.  Please write and email the Moray Council to tell them how valuable an asset the Local Heritage Center is.  I have.  John Anderson Pflugerville, TX ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Anne Burgess <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> To: Moray@rootsweb.com; Sct-Banffshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 4:53:44 AM Subject: [MORAY] OT? - Elgin Local Heritage Centre threatened This is an extract from the 'Northern Scot', dated 6 November 2009. The article is headed 'The Great Savings Plan' and outlines a whole range of cuts intended to reduce Moray Council's expenditure. "Libraries and Museums. Reduce budget by various staff reductions, including the local heritage officer post .... reductions in hours and closures .... increase income generation by local heritage service (£5,500)  .... transfer archives .... from Forres Tolbooth .... " The article does not say specifically how the 'reductions in hours and closures' would affect the local heritage centre, but is is hard to see how the centre could function at all, let alone at its present level, without someone in charge of it. And how do they propose to increase income without an officer to do the work? There is a consultation period during which members of the public can respond to the proposals. Responses must be submitted by December 15 and can be emailed (sic) to budget@moray.gov.uk I have written a letter to the Chief Executive, Moray Council, Council Headquarters, Elgin IV30 1BX to express my shock and outrage at, and strong opposition to, this proposal. Anne You don't stop laughing because you grow old. You grow old because you stop laughing. (Michael Pritchard) Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never fail to be amused (Joachim Verhagen) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Anne and John for making this public. I too have sent a letter of protest to Moray Council. Genealogy is a great money spinner, especially for a country as small as Scotland. We are a proud nation and people around the world are proud of their ancestry. Scotland should look to America on how best to make a fortune from their history. Perhaps a heap of letters from listers will help change their minds. Thank you again Anne and John. Sheila. John Anderson wrote: > This is from the Moray list and a tireless geneology resource, Anne Burgess. Please write and email the Moray Council to tell them how valuable an asset the Local Heritage Center is. I have. > John Anderson > Pflugerville, TX > > > Subject: [MORAY] OT? - Elgin Local Heritage Centre threatened > > This is an extract from the 'Northern Scot', dated 6 November > 2009. The article is headed 'The Great Savings Plan' and > outlines a whole range of cuts intended to reduce Moray > Council's expenditure. > > "Libraries and Museums. Reduce budget by various staff > reductions, including the local heritage officer post .... > reductions in hours and closures .... increase income generation > by local heritage service (£5,500) .... transfer archives .... > from Forres Tolbooth .... " > > The article does not say specifically how the 'reductions in > hours and closures' would affect the local heritage centre, but > is is hard to see how the centre could function at all, let > alone at its present level, without someone in charge of it. And > how do they propose to increase income without an officer to do > the work? > > There is a consultation period during which members of the > public can respond to the proposals. Responses must be submitted > by December 15 and can be emailed (sic) to budget@moray.gov.uk > > I have written a letter to the Chief Executive, Moray Council, > Council Headquarters, Elgin IV30 1BX to express my shock and > outrage at, and strong opposition to, this proposal. > > Anne > >

> Leonie...Rothes Records have been filmed but you can also see > them in > Edinburgh. All the Old Parish Records that exsist were to be > turned in, and > not left with the Parish. Some parishes after 1855 still > recorded things, > but mostly by the 1870's this had petered out. But most > anything after 1855 > you will find at Scotland's People. Sorry to have to contradict you, Goldie, but I think most if not all churches still do keep records of baptisms for purely religious purposes. In the eyes of the churches baptism is an important life event, and just because the older parish registers had been gathered in for safe keeping of their content for civil purposes did not mean that the baptismal registers were discontinued. I remember seeing my name and my brother's on the cradle roll of the kirk whose minister baptised us and I know that at least some kirks still have the cradle roll on display. It's just that the post-1855 ones have never been centrally collected. This was no longer necessary, because statutory civil registration removed the need to use the church records for civil purposes. Anne

I have seen some post 1855 parish records ...original volumes ...which had been collected and were in the National Archives in Edinburgh ...but this was for south west Scotland. I don't know how widespread the collection of registers was. Might be worth a phone call to Edinburgh to find out. Irene 2009/11/10 Leonie Oliver <gloliver@bigpond.net.au> > Hi all > I am familiar with OPRs and civil registration records, but my query is > regarding the parish records AFTER 1855. > What happened to them? Do they remain with the church of origin, or are > they sent off to a central repository? > Surely the churches still kept records of baptisms, marriages etc after > 1855, but where can I find them? > I am most interested in Forres and Rothes records. > Leonie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Leonie A few years ago I wrote to a church in Midlothian, hoping for information. The reply was that records were sent to Edinburgh for archiving. This was safer as the records were then kept at the right temperature, with no risk from dampness. Churches were often less secure and temperatures varied. Some churches did not partake in sending their records to Edinburgh but I suggest you do as Irene suggested and write to New Register House, Princes Street, Edinburgh, EH1 3YT. Sheila. Irene Macleod wrote: > I have seen some post 1855 parish records ...original volumes ...which had > been collected and were in the National Archives in Edinburgh ...but this > was for south west Scotland. I don't know how widespread the collection of > registers was. > > Might be worth a phone call to Edinburgh to find out. > > Irene > > > Surely the churches still kept records of baptisms, marriages etc after > 1855, but where can I find them? > I am most interested in Forres and Rothes records. > Leonie > >

You are right, of course. What I meant was that there was civil registration beginning in 1855, so there is no access to the Kirk records after 1870 or so for most of us not in Scotland. (I have seen some records later on that than, but it seems to be rare indeed). A person should be checking Kirk Registry's (OPR's) before 1855, then SP or Edinburgh after. I do know some of the Old Registers are missing in some parishes, that they are not ALL found. I would expect that to be explained by fire, loss or decay. But it so good we have what we have, available to us. Most of us would be sunk without what we do have available. Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> To: <moray@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] parish records-NOT OPRs >> Leonie...Rothes Records have been filmed but you can also see >> them in >> Edinburgh. All the Old Parish Records that exsist were to be >> turned in, and >> not left with the Parish. Some parishes after 1855 still >> recorded things, >> but mostly by the 1870's this had petered out. But most >> anything after 1855 >> you will find at Scotland's People. > Sorry to have to contradict you, Goldie, but I think most if not > all churches still do keep records of baptisms for purely > religious purposes. In the eyes of the churches baptism is an > important life event, and just because the older parish > registers had been gathered in for safe keeping of their content > for civil purposes did not mean that the baptismal registers > were discontinued. > > I remember seeing my name and my brother's on the cradle roll of > the kirk whose minister baptised us and I know that at least > some kirks still have the cradle roll on display. > > It's just that the post-1855 ones have never been centrally > collected. This was no longer necessary, because statutory civil > registration removed the need to use the church records for > civil purposes. > > Anne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Leonie...Rothes Records have been filmed but you can also see them in Edinburgh. All the Old Parish Records that exsist were to be turned in, and not left with the Parish. Some parishes after 1855 still recorded things, but mostly by the 1870's this had petered out. But most anything after 1855 you will find at Scotland's People. I have never seen the Forres info, but have viewed the Rothes records which I have some info on. If you send me a message on who you are looking for there, I'll see if I have anything. Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene Macleod" <lowlandscot@sky.com> To: <moray@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] parish records-NOT OPRs >I have seen some post 1855 parish records ...original volumes ...which had > been collected and were in the National Archives in Edinburgh ...but this > was for south west Scotland. I don't know how widespread the collection of > registers was. > > Might be worth a phone call to Edinburgh to find out. > > Irene > > 2009/11/10 Leonie Oliver <gloliver@bigpond.net.au> > >> Hi all >> I am familiar with OPRs and civil registration records, but my query is >> regarding the parish records AFTER 1855. >> What happened to them? Do they remain with the church of origin, or are >> they sent off to a central repository? >> Surely the churches still kept records of baptisms, marriages etc after >> 1855, but where can I find them? >> I am most interested in Forres and Rothes records. >> Leonie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Anne Thank you for this. Leonie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> To: <moray@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] parish records-NOT OPRs >> I am familiar with OPRs and civil registration records, but my >> query is regarding >> the parish records AFTER 1855. >> What happened to them? Do they remain with the church of >> origin, or are they >> sent off to a central repository? >> Surely the churches still kept records of baptisms, marriages >> etc after 1855, but >> where can I find them? >> I am most interested in Forres and Rothes records. > > As far as I am aware the post-1855 ones were never collected > centrally. I would expect them still to be with the original > churches. I rang the Session Clerk of Rothes, but he is away > from home, and there was no reply from the minister's number. > You could e-mail the minister, Mr Robert Anderson, at > robert@carmanse.freeserve.co.uk. > > There are two Church of Scotland kirks in Forres. The Session > Clerk of St Leonard's Church is Mr Roy Anderson > royand@btinternet.com and the minister at St Laurence's is Mr > Barry Boyd barryj.boydstlaurence@btinternet.com > > For other kirks in the Presbytery of Moray see > http://www.moraypresbytery.org.uk/churches/index.php > > HTH > > Anne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all I am familiar with OPRs and civil registration records, but my query is regarding the parish records AFTER 1855. What happened to them? Do they remain with the church of origin, or are they sent off to a central repository? Surely the churches still kept records of baptisms, marriages etc after 1855, but where can I find them? I am most interested in Forres and Rothes records. Leonie

And look up the brillian,t free, Moray website LIBINDX. Aren't we lucky having folks from Moray !!! Regards Karen The Good You Do Comes Back To You. --- On Mon, 9/11/09, A JEWELL <ajewell534@btinternet.com> wrote: From: A JEWELL <ajewell534@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [MORAY] HEPBURN/HUNTER To: moray@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 9 November, 2009, 11:24 Hello George, thank you very much for the information, it is extremely useful. Much appreciated and hope to talk again. Allan Jewell. ________________________________ From: George Minty <geo.myrmint@virgin.net> To: moray@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 7 November, 2009 16:20:48 Subject: Re: [MORAY] HEPBURN/HUNTER Hi Allan, This is the family on the 1881 census. Jane is not on this family view however, she appears to be a domestic servant aged 18 at Mill Street, Duffus, Elgin working for a William Sutherland and family. Jane is shown as born in Drainie. If you haven't got the births of all of this family, go to the web site: familysearch.org. Also look out for Pedigree Resource files which other people have supplied on the family search site. There is one for Annie Hepburn who married a William Murray. There may be others but you have to check these at some point with the Scotlands People website at Scotlandspeople.gov.uk. George Dwelling: 2 King St Census Place: Drainie, Elgin, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203432 GRO Ref Volume 130 EnumDist 4 Page 23                                         Marr    Age    Sex    Birthplace James HEPBURN            M    54        M        Gardinstown, Banff, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Fisherman Jessie HEPBURN            M    44        F        Cuminstown, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Wife Alexander HEPBURN    U        21    M        Stotfield, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Fisherman Mary HEPBURN            U        19    F            Stotfield, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Fisherman Daur Ann HEPBURN                        13    F            Branderburgh, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Cathrine HEPBURN                    9    F            Branderburgh, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar William HEPBURN                    3    M            Branderburgh, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Son ----- Original Message ----- From: "A JEWELL" <ajewell534@btinternet.com> To: <MORAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:54 PM Subject: [MORAY] HEPBURN/HUNTER > Hello, > > I have recently started research of my family history and this is my first > contact to this mailing list. I have the birth certificate of my great > grandmother, JANE HEPBURN (born 9th April 1863 at STOTFIELD). Her parents > on the certificate are shown as JAMES HEPBURN and JESSIE HUNTER (married > in DRAINIE parish on 6th April 1854). > Given these details, I would greatly appreciate any further information > that anyone might have. > > Allan Jewell. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> I am familiar with OPRs and civil registration records, but my > query is regarding > the parish records AFTER 1855. > What happened to them? Do they remain with the church of > origin, or are they > sent off to a central repository? > Surely the churches still kept records of baptisms, marriages > etc after 1855, but > where can I find them? > I am most interested in Forres and Rothes records. As far as I am aware the post-1855 ones were never collected centrally. I would expect them still to be with the original churches. I rang the Session Clerk of Rothes, but he is away from home, and there was no reply from the minister's number. You could e-mail the minister, Mr Robert Anderson, at robert@carmanse.freeserve.co.uk. There are two Church of Scotland kirks in Forres. The Session Clerk of St Leonard's Church is Mr Roy Anderson royand@btinternet.com and the minister at St Laurence's is Mr Barry Boyd barryj.boydstlaurence@btinternet.com For other kirks in the Presbytery of Moray see http://www.moraypresbytery.org.uk/churches/index.php HTH Anne

Hello George, thank you very much for the information, it is extremely useful. Much appreciated and hope to talk again. Allan Jewell. ________________________________ From: George Minty <geo.myrmint@virgin.net> To: moray@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 7 November, 2009 16:20:48 Subject: Re: [MORAY] HEPBURN/HUNTER Hi Allan, This is the family on the 1881 census. Jane is not on this family view however, she appears to be a domestic servant aged 18 at Mill Street, Duffus, Elgin working for a William Sutherland and family. Jane is shown as born in Drainie. If you haven't got the births of all of this family, go to the web site: familysearch.org. Also look out for Pedigree Resource files which other people have supplied on the family search site. There is one for Annie Hepburn who married a William Murray. There may be others but you have to check these at some point with the Scotlands People website at Scotlandspeople.gov.uk. George Dwelling: 2 King St Census Place: Drainie, Elgin, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203432 GRO Ref Volume 130 EnumDist 4 Page 23                                         Marr    Age    Sex    Birthplace James HEPBURN            M    54        M        Gardinstown, Banff, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Fisherman Jessie HEPBURN            M    44        F        Cuminstown, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Wife Alexander HEPBURN    U        21    M        Stotfield, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Fisherman Mary HEPBURN            U        19    F            Stotfield, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Fisherman Daur Ann HEPBURN                        13    F            Branderburgh, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Cathrine HEPBURN                    9    F            Branderburgh, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar William HEPBURN                    3    M            Branderburgh, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Son ----- Original Message ----- From: "A JEWELL" <ajewell534@btinternet.com> To: <MORAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:54 PM Subject: [MORAY] HEPBURN/HUNTER > Hello, > > I have recently started research of my family history and this is my first > contact to this mailing list. I have the birth certificate of my great > grandmother, JANE HEPBURN (born 9th April 1863 at STOTFIELD). Her parents > on the certificate are shown as JAMES HEPBURN and JESSIE HUNTER (married > in DRAINIE parish on 6th April 1854). > Given these details, I would greatly appreciate any further information > that anyone might have. > > Allan Jewell. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/1367.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: What is the name of the place in Inchberry? Mosstowie is south-west of Elgin. See http://www.geograph.org.uk/browse.php?p=774377 and adjacent squares. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bapkas Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/1367.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Joan This is great info i had a wee bit but not as much as you thanks for sending it to me i am realy chuffed i realy would like you to send me the image of john & alexander please. my grandad was the son of john & janet his name was James. grandad was b in Edinburgh his dad was a ships carpenter my g grandad was b 1853 so he was very young when his father married isobella. Did you know Mary Ann Winchester daughter of James & Agnes m James Rhind they lived in inverness then emigrated to new zealand i have just recently found this info and the family married into the maori clan. We have family in Canada also will go into that another time. if ever you want to e mail me my e addy is bapkas@hotmail.com I am so glad i have at last found a relative. i went to elgin a few years ago and loved it there only prob was i never had as much info then. did try to find the farm in inchberry were grandad stayed with his gran. are you living in Scotland.? i found [Mosstowie] is in Elgin. will e mail you soon joan take care barbara. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JPurker123 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/1367.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Barbara - I did this line back in 2002 and concentrated on James Winchester, brother of your John as he is a maternal line from my Father. I have more than I am including but enough for you to garner dates and follow up. I do have an image of John and Alexander Winchesters birth in 1796 - they were twins - and can send you other images if it is possible off board. Please ignore the numbers after some of the names; my genealogy programme inserts them. My side of the family moved to Ardclach in Nairnshire and from there to Inverness. I have followed my Gr.Grandmother's siblings a fair bit and some went down to Glasgow and quite a few to Australia. Please contact me anytime if you want more info or futher help .... I think this makes us 2nd cousins once removed ....Best regards Joan (1) 1 William WINCHESTER1, 519, M ---------------------------------------- Birth Date: 1768 These parent names are taken from the death cert of James Winchester (Winster). There are WIN*STER entries and sometimes these apply - note these names can be found also under Urquhart & Glenmoriston, not the same as Urquhart, Elgin. The remaining children's names, apart from James, are taken from GROS and IGI searches for parent names WILLIAM WINCHESTER & ELSPET JENKINS. Spouse: Elspet JENKINS, 518, F Birth Date: 1772 Children:Helen, 520, F (1789-) JAMES, 514, M (1791-1865) William, 521, M (1794-) John (Twin), 522, M (1796-) Alexander (Twin), 523, M (1796-) Margaret, 524, F (1798-) Elspet, 859, F (1800-) Sometimes JUNCAN, JUNKIN, JUNKENS, JENKIN. The above birth date for Elspet is from IGI submitted record under name DUNCAN. Names of children match with other entries for same parents. ??? (2) 1.2 JAMES WINCHESTER 514, M ---------------------------------------- Birth Date: 17 Nov 17914 Birth Place: Urquhart, Moray, Scotland Birth Memo: Witnesses: James Russel & Elspet Winchester Bapt Date: 20 Nov 1791 Death Date: 21 Jan 1865, age: 73 Death Place: Gray's Hospital, Elgin Death Memo: Usual Res: Murdoch's Wynd ; reg by son-in-law John Fraser, 47 North College Street, Elgin Occ: Labourer NOTE - Birth registered under WINSTER- you will find this with several Winchester entries both in GROS and Census records. Spouse: Agnes MACKENZIE nee FORSYTH6, 282, F Birth Memo: Mother a FORSYTH Death Date: 10 Jul 1861 Death Place: Bank St, Elgin - age given as 58 ? Death Memo: aged 58 cause of death 'unknown' Marr Date: 26 Dec 18117 Marr Place: Parish Church, Elgin NOTE - There is no Father's name given on Agnes's death Certificate. Death Ref.No. 1865 135 15 James Winchester, 72 years, Labourer, Widower of Agnes Mackenzie 21st January 1865 0h 30m pm Gray's Hospital, Elgin Us.Res. Murdoch's Wynd Father: William Winchester, Farmer (deceased) Mother: Elspet Winchester ms Jenkins (deceased) Cause: Disease of bladder years as certified by George Whyte MD Reg.By John Fraser (son-in-law) 47 North College Street, Elgin 21.1.1865 (3) 1.2.1 JAMES WINCHESTER, 5, M ---------------------------------------- Birth Date: 28 Oct 1816 Birth Place: Mosstower, Moray Bapt Date: 30 Nov 18166,2 Bapt Place: Elgin Death Date: 24 Oct 1867, age: 508 Death Place: Bught Mills, Inverness Burial Place: Tomnahurich Cemetery, Inverness Section A, Lair # 62. No memorial OPR 135/5 Frame 1309 "James Winchester, Farmer Mosstower (?) and Agnes McKenzie his spouse had a child born 28th Octr baptized (30 Nov1816 ex GROS) called James. Witnesses James Russell & Elspet Winchester. 1. James WINCHESTER - Gender: M Christening: 30 Nov 1816 Elgin, Moray, Scotland Spouse: Joanna MILLAR, 6, F Birth Date: 14 Oct 1809 Birth Place: Auldearn, Nairn, Scotland Bapt Date: 19 Oct 1809 Death Date: 9 Jul 1878, age: 689 Death Place: 11 Bridge Street, Bishopmill, Elgin Death Memo: Reg by daughter Jemima Winchester Burial Place: Tomnahurich Cemetery, Inverness Section A, Lair # 62. No memorial Father: Alexander MILLAR, 260, M Mother: Catharine DAVIDSON, 261, F Marr Date: 8 Dec 1837 Marr Place: Auldearn, Nairn, Scotland Marr Memo: GROS # 8090351 1841 Census Registration District 120 Enumeration District 5 Page 8 Auchnabechon James Winchester 20 ag.lab. Y Joanna 30 Y Alexr 2 Y & 1851 Census Registration District 120 Enumeration District 2 Page 5 Glenairnie, Ardclach James Winster Head Mar 34 Farm servant Moray, Elgin Joanna Wife Mar 40 Nairn, Auldearn Alexander Son 12 Scholar Nairn, Ardclach ANN Dau 9 ditto Joanna Dau 7 ditto Mary Dau 4 ditto Catharine Dau 1 ditto Only Alexander was a scholar, and they are listed as Winster. Children:ANNE, 2, F (1841-1919) My Gr.Grandmother Alexander, 89, M (1838-1891) Catherine (1), 90, F (1840-) Johanna, 92, F (1843-1919) Mary, 93, F (1847-) Catherine (2), 94, F (1850-) Jemima Margaret, 95, F (1852-1914) NOTE - Two Catherines born to this family - in the case of the first named child dying a second is often named after them. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.