This is a present day working farm in Kirkmichael, Banff, Scotland. How do I go about finding who the people are that are running this farm today. William Innes in Montreal

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Specialkg Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/1370.2.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Sorry to be a pain but wondered if you had sent the photos and I had not received them. I am really excited about seeing some photos of ancestors I have tried to get for ages. Thanks again for taking the time to reply to my query. All the best Keith Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Many thanks to Alastair and Gavin for ways to find this place. I may well go there next time I am in the area, even though there is probably nothing to see - get the feel for the area. Melvyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alastair Macdonald" <alastair@theoldhall.force9.co.uk> To: <Moray@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 7:37 AM Subject: [MORAY] Reverrand > > Hello Melvyn, > Reverrand was part of the Altyre Estate in the parish of Rafford. It gets > several mentions in the book "Lochnavando No More". Going by the diagram > in that book if you look at the current OS Explorer Map No. 423 then just > to the west of Blackhills where it says "Forestry Cottages" then that > roughly triangular shaped clearing in the Newtyle Forest is where it was. > Regards, Alastair MacDonald > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Melvyn Hunter wrote: > I am trying to locate Reverrand, a now demolished croft within Rafford > parish. The modern Aberdeen County Council refers to it, but does not > include a specific location. Can anyone give me a more specific location or > grid reference please? I have tried Old Maps without luck. Rather than waste your time (and possibly money) on Old-Maps, try the free-of-charge 19th century Ordnance Survey maps on the site of the National Library of Scotland: http://www.nls.uk Because of the way the site works, it is not possible to give a direct URL for the image you want, but if you work your way down the Menus as follows you will find it: Digital Library - Maps - Series Maps of Scotland - Ordnance Survey maps 1847-1930 - 25 inch to the mile ... Then pick "By zoomable map ..." From the drop-down lists pick "Moray" for County and "Rafford" for Parish/Burgh, enter "Blackhills" for place (Reverrand is not indexed) and click on search. This brings up a list of hits - click on "Blackhills, Moray NJ0654". This brings up a lo-res map covering the area. Click on the left-hand of the two "+" symbols above the map, then click on the map. Once you can see "Blackhills" (which is straight south of "Rafford") click on the "grabbing hand" and use that tool to centre the image on "Blackhills". Then use the "+" tool again to zoom further in, until you can read the legends. Finally, use the "grabbing hand" to pan west from Blackhills, and you will find Reverrand. Phew! Gavin Bell

Hello Melvyn, Reverrand was part of the Altyre Estate in the parish of Rafford. It gets several mentions in the book "Lochnavando No More". Going by the diagram in that book if you look at the current OS Explorer Map No. 423 then just to the west of Blackhills where it says "Forestry Cottages" then that roughly triangular shaped clearing in the Newtyle Forest is where it was. Regards, Alastair MacDonald

Dear listers, I am trying to locate Reverrand, a now demolished croft within Rafford parish. The modern Aberdeen County Council refers to it, but does not include a specific location. Can anyone give me a more specific location or grid reference please? I have tried Old Maps without luck. TIA Melvyn.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gcarrick27 Surnames: Hay, Young, Shaw, Ingram Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/984.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, not being able to find Duncan Young now makes sense! Marion Hay his mother is Margaret Shaws Aunt as far as I know, so Duncan and Margaret were cousins. I can only find 3 of Duncan and Margarets 8 childrens births listed in New Zealand. I'm trying to find their daughter Maud's birth details(who isn't listed in births NZ under the name young, but i'll seach Hay, I am a descendant of theirs. NZ has a website called papers past, there is information in there about Duncan Youngs death etc(he drowned). I'm happy to pass on that information to you, that I have located if you wish. But seeing how old your message is, you have likely found alot more information since then. The daughter Maud, became Maud Ingram when she married in 1888 to Andrew Ingram in New Zealand, but Andrew was also from Scotland Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mac_hawthorne Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/1370.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Steve, I am interested in seeing the photographs you have. Thanks, Catherine mac-hawthorne@shaw.ca Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Specialkg Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/1370.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Thanks so much for getting in touch. I would love to hear from you again and would love to see any photographs you have. My email is k.mackenzie09@btinternet.com Look forward to hearing from you. All the best Keith Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: stevejones1231 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/1370.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello I have the orginal photographs of the entire family outside the bakery. There were a stirng of brothers and my grandmother was a sister of George. It was only like yesterday that James and William were alive. I used to take hot rolls from the bakery in 1967 when I was only a very small boy and deliver them round the village. If you want the photographs of the family, please contact me. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JPurker123 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/1367.1.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Only sorry I could not help more Jean. I have had to give up on a few lines too. Managed to get back to 1725 on Paternal side in the Inverness-shire area because there was an existing family tree, and with the help of a Researcher who visited NAS to check the Estate Papers of the land they lived on. However she said it was a difficult because of un-indexed papers and that is where extra cost comes in. Funny how you say that Grandfathers met spouses because of the War. That happened with a few of ours too hence English cousins umpteen times removed. My own parents met at the start of WW2 ..... ? Do keep in touch though for you never know what can turn up. Regards JJ Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello Karen thanks for the ongoing info. Yes indeed, the Moray connections of my family seem very interesting. I have only just begun on the family history 'jigsaw', but pieces are beginning to fit already! Allan Jewell ________________________________ From: "genegenie2005-gen@yahoo.co.uk" <genegenie2005-gen@yahoo.co.uk> To: moray@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 10 November, 2009 12:45:00 Subject: Re: [MORAY] HEPBURN/HUNTER And look up the brillian,t free, Moray website LIBINDX. Aren't we lucky having folks from Moray !!! Regards Karen The Good You Do Comes Back To You. --- On Mon, 9/11/09, A JEWELL <ajewell534@btinternet.com> wrote: From: A JEWELL <ajewell534@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [MORAY] HEPBURN/HUNTER To: moray@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 9 November, 2009, 11:24 Hello George, thank you very much for the information, it is extremely useful. Much appreciated and hope to talk again. Allan Jewell. ________________________________ From: George Minty <geo.myrmint@virgin.net> To: moray@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 7 November, 2009 16:20:48 Subject: Re: [MORAY] HEPBURN/HUNTER Hi Allan, This is the family on the 1881 census. Jane is not on this family view however, she appears to be a domestic servant aged 18 at Mill Street, Duffus, Elgin working for a William Sutherland and family. Jane is shown as born in Drainie. If you haven't got the births of all of this family, go to the web site: familysearch.org. Also look out for Pedigree Resource files which other people have supplied on the family search site. There is one for Annie Hepburn who married a William Murray. There may be others but you have to check these at some point with the Scotlands People website at Scotlandspeople.gov.uk. George Dwelling: 2 King St Census Place: Drainie, Elgin, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203432 GRO Ref Volume 130 EnumDist 4 Page 23                                         Marr    Age    Sex    Birthplace James HEPBURN            M    54        M        Gardinstown, Banff, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Fisherman Jessie HEPBURN            M    44        F        Cuminstown, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Wife Alexander HEPBURN    U        21    M        Stotfield, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Fisherman Mary HEPBURN            U        19    F            Stotfield, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Fisherman Daur Ann HEPBURN                        13    F            Branderburgh, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Cathrine HEPBURN                    9    F            Branderburgh, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar William HEPBURN                    3    M            Branderburgh, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Son ----- Original Message ----- From: "A JEWELL" <ajewell534@btinternet.com> To: <MORAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:54 PM Subject: [MORAY] HEPBURN/HUNTER > Hello, > > I have recently started research of my family history and this is my first > contact to this mailing list. I have the birth certificate of my great > grandmother, JANE HEPBURN (born 9th April 1863 at STOTFIELD). Her parents > on the certificate are shown as JAMES HEPBURN and JESSIE HUNTER (married > in DRAINIE parish on 6th April 1854). > Given these details, I would greatly appreciate any further information > that anyone might have. > > Allan Jewell. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jeanbarker52 Surnames: winchester Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/1367.1.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: thanks for the information on this as i have been looking for some time for them and had no luck, so i think i will leave this one for now and look up some more on the winchester in new zealand which i started and found more than i expected as barbara said there are maouri connections we found, so i will let my sister do hers.and i will do more on the relatives in new zealand see how many more i can find .our grandfather james winchester was stationed here in hull in ww1 and married our grandma her name was louise, they had 3 children and where all brought up here,by her while he was in france. i still live in hull with my family. if you want my email address i will send it to you. i do appreciate the help you have given me.and really very grateful to you. bye for now......jean....... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ironmann60 Surnames: Winchester Mackintosh Whyte Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/1367.1.1.1.3.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Small world, my Gr-grandfather Alexander Mackintosh, was the 'Tailor of Culcabock' at his wedding there in Aug 1849 to Isabella Whyte. Later to Tomnarroch, near Ardlach. Well, enough of that - I'm certain we all cross ancestral paths more often than we know. Best Regards, and good 'rooting' Ron Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JPurker123 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/1367.1.1.1.3.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Winchester was Elspet Winchester b1863 Elgin who came down the line I listed earlier, a daughter of my GrGrandmother Winchester's brother Alexander, all in Moray. She married Donald Mann - b 1861-d 1951. His Parents - William MANN, Railway Signalman & Margaret Mann nee MUNRO. Parents married 17 July 1868 Culcabock, Inverness. William Mann a Saw Miller at time of Donald's birth. Never pursued past this on Donald, only the two daughters they had. I think one can attribute some movement to military services but I am not very conversant with that type of research. It's funny though how you always find the one's you are NOT looking for easily and usually on the female line. Thanks again. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ironmann60 Surnames: Winchester Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/1367.1.1.1.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: JP, I think I had crossed that path also, some time back while researching 'Mann'. My Mann lineage is from Kent, England, although we had thought for years that our 'root' was Scotland. I did receive a couple of stray Winchesters however: ***************** Pioneer Families USA: Lois WINCHESTER {There are two 'disconnected by many years' Winchesters groups listed}: Catherine, born about 1340 in Great Parndon, England, her father Richard, born 1324. John, born 1672, his daughter Sarah, born 1704 and our Lois. Perhaps these may someday be of use to you. R. Mann Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JPurker123 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/1367.1.1.1.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It's all grist for the mill, Ron. There were a few Winchesters in Glasgow and some of my Morayshire line moved there too in the late 19th century but I have never found a link between the two. Funnily enough I have a Winchester marrying a Mann in 1889 in Duffus, Moray! Many thanks, JP Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ironmann60 Surnames: Winchester Stewart Mann Bresse Wright Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/1367.1.1.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a possible connection to your list at the name of William Aaron Winchester, apparently the youngest s/o William Winchester and Mary Stewart, both parents born abt 1770 at Glasgow, and William Aaron possibly born {bet. 1811-1820} in Canada. I have no documentation for this 'remote limb' of my Family Tree as I received same from 'drnancy' )who recently died. Her Winchesters also had connections into the USA. The visual format may be distorted due to the 'narrow' page format of this message board. ********************* Descendants of William Winchester 1 William Winchester 1770 - b: Abt. 1770 in Glasgow, Scotland d: in prob Canada .. Mary Stewart 1770 - b: Abt. 1770 in Glasgow, Scotland d: in prob Canada ... 2 John Winchester 1797 - b: Abt. 1797 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland d: in prob Canada ... 2 Elizabeth Winchester 1797 - b: 25 Jan 1797 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland d: in prob Canada ... 2 Janet Winchester 1800 - b: Abt. 1800 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland d: in prob Canada ... 2 Jean Winchester 1802 - b: Abt. 1802 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland d: in prob Canada ... 2 Robert Winchester 1808 - b: Abt. 1808 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland d: in prob Canada ... 2 Chid 7 Winchester 1808 - b: Aft. 1808 in prob Scotland d: in prob Canada ... 2 child 8 Winchester 1809 - b: Aft. 1809 in prob Scotland d: in prob Canada ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ... 2 William Aaron Winchester 1811 - b: Bet. 1811 - 1820 in child #9 in OPR - Ontario, Canada d: in Canada ....... Elizabeth (Bessie/Betsy) Mann 1824 - 1910 b: Abt. 1824 in Southwold Twp, Elgin County, Ontario, Canada d: 1910 ........ 3 Lois Winchester 1853 - b: 19 Jan 1853 in Walpole, Kent Cty or Yarmouth, Elgin County, Ontario, Canada ............ Charles N. BRESSE 1846 - b: 1846 in Yarmouth, Bastard, Elgin Cty, Ontario, Canada ........ 3 Phebe Winchester 1854 - b: 1854 in prob Ontario, Canada ........ 3 Mary Winchester 1859 - b: 20 Sep 1859 in Millbank, Perth Cty, Ontario, Canada ........ 3 Lucy Marion Winchester 1850 - 1939 b: 24 Aug 1850 d: 02 Mar 1939 ............ Horace Huson Wright 1850 - b: 06 Apr 1850 in Aylmer, Malahide Twp, Ontario, Canada This area in Canada has a plethora of good infromation and {usually rather good search engines} Hope this is benefit to you. Ron Mann Canada Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JPurker123 Surnames: Winchester Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/1367.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Jean, William Winchester & Elspet Juncan/Junken/Jenkin/Duncan, all spellings linked to this family, are the farthest back I have gone on this line. Born respectively 1768 &1772. Be aware also the Winchester surname is sometimes entered as Winster in Census records and I have even seen Vinchester. In my honest opinion, and I am no expert, I doubt any of us will get further back than we have on the OPR because registration (or any kind of written record) was not the norm back then for working/normal class people and unless an ancestor was landed gentry there will be no records of them. The only way to find out more is if their farm or land were rented from a Landowner and then they would be named and entered in the Estate Accounts. The Family Research Centre in Elgin would be able to inform you of potential Landowners. Not sure who was the Landowner back then but I suspect it was the Grants of Rothimurchus/Grantown on Spey. Estate papers are held at the National Archives for Scotland in Edinburgh and most are NOT indexed. You have to hire a researcher to look if you cannot go yourself and this is usually the best way as they know their way around the place. Not all researchers are familiar with NAS work so you have to chose someone well experienced in NAS researching. I have found that using a researcher in many instances works out cheaper than the cost of visiting or searching on-line. And I would also caution that good as the IGI (familysearch.org) is in assisting research prior to 1875, entries must be treated with caution if an LDS member has submitted the information because the research involved for their particular needs are not always infallible to any subsequent authentication. Regards JP Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jeanbarker52 Surnames: winchester Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/1367.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi. i hope you dont mind me getting in touch with you, but while looking on message boards i came across yours and my sister barbara,s. about the winchester family. i wondered if you could help me find out who william winchester born 21/1/1677 in urquhart. who his mother was i have her as being called marjorie stronach and married to william winchester.making him our 9xgreatgrandfather. this one ido not seem to get no further with. i would appreciate any help you could give me.thank you .............jean.............. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.