Hello All…….am attempting to trace an Isabel Lamb who married William Calder (skip to the *** at the end of the message if you do not wish to view the background of this story). No record of the marriage; however, a James Calder (my 4th great) was born to this couple in 1785 Nairn, Nairnshire (the only “recorded” baptism indexed to this couple). Passed down information in my family indicates his parents as ?? Calder and Janet Lamb. He named his first son William so I assume this is the name of his father. All I know with certainty is that when he married Janet MacIntosh and had children, all events occurred in Nairn, Nairnshire. I am presently working on the theory that his mother - this Isabel Lamb was born to Peter Lamb and Florence Monroe in 1757 Nairn. No Peter’s or Florences’ in my early Calder family – actually all I have is James Calder mentioned above and Isabel Calder born about 1789. No other clues with regard to their roots. Isabella never married, came over to Canada with James in 1832. Although grasping at straws, I believe the progenitors of this Lamb family were Hugh Lamb / Lambie / Lammie and Isabel Montgomery. The task of proving is difficult as the mothers’ names were not recorded in earlier Nairn, Nairnshire baptismal records. The union is based on a circumstantial timeline….assuming every event was recorded….in a perfect world :-). As of yet, I have not viewed their marriage record from Auldearn - they were recorded as “contracted” in January 1706 Nairn, Nairnshire (testificate). At that time, Hugh was residing in Nairn and Isabel in Auldearn. A Peter / Patrick Lamb was born to this couple (Hugh Lamb / Isabel Mongomery) in 1718 Broadley, Nairn, Nairnshire and it is this Peter who may have married Florence Munro and may have parented my Isabel Lamb in 1757 Nairn……..too many “what ifs” to count. In looking at deaths on sp, I have run into Janet (1776-1855) and Elizabeth (1788–1863) Lamb – parents listed on these records are Peter Lamb and Anne McBain (although Janet was clearly born before they married in 1782). I am working on the possibility that this Peter was brother to my Isabel Lamb. A Peter is recorded to Peter Lamb and Florence Munro in 1753 Nairn, Nairnshire. So……assuming that they stay in the area…….and the son, Peter Lamb married Anne McBain…..I found four children; a Janet who never married; a Hugh who is MIA; an Elizabeth who never married and an Anne. Although I took the “scenic route” in this post, Elizabeth Lamb is the subject of this post. She seemed to be quite a harlot :-) *********** I believe that Elizabeth had one child out of wedlock with George McKay, an officer of excise in Alnes (?) Ross-shire. Their son, George baptized in 1822 Nairn, is listed as Janet Lamb’s nephew on her death record in 1855 Nairn, Nairnshire. Elizabeth is listed with Janet in the 1851 Census for Nairn as her sister. Another illegitimate entry exists for a Hugh Cameron born 1824 Nairn to John Cameron, mail coach driver and an Elizabeth Lamb. I am guessing that this is my Elizabeth as there were not that many Lamb’s in Nairn. In the 1841 Census for Nairn, Nairnshire, an Elizabeth Lamb is listed in the Nairn jail with “no prof occupation”. Does this wording allude to the fact that she had a shady occupation (professional) or that she had no "proof" of employment? Remember....the only stupid question is the one that is never asked :-) Would like to know your thoughts if you have some time. Kind regards, Sherry

I am trying to find out the parents of Alexander and George Riach and any siblings and to which branch of the Riach family they belong . It is said that their father tenanted the farm of Cairnty and his mother was a famous itinerant preacher. (So famous that I cannot find her!).From what I can find out Cairnty is in Boharm formerly part of Dundurcas parish. In 1829 Alex Riach was appointed assistant schoolmaster at Keith when James Smith became parish schoolmaster at the Tolbooth School. Prior to this both Alex Riach and his brother George are said to have taught in a private school in Aberdeen. Alex was not popular at Keith and left for Banff Academy from where he went abroad to be the minister in a church in the British colony of Berbice which became part of British Guiana. According to the Fasti Ecclesiae Scotanicae he was appointed to St Clements, Berbice in 13 March 1849 and died 19 April 1855 at New Amsterdam, Berbice. His wife Mary had died a few weeks earlier on 16 March 1855. I think I have found both brothers on the Roll of Alumni in Arts of the University and King’s College, Aberdeen. George appears in the section 1818-1822 as having been a first year student, and then in 1819-1823 as a second, third and fourth year student. Alex appears 1819-1823 doing these four years. My next trace of Alex is in the 1841 census where he is at Maggyknockater, Boharm a teacher age 55 born outside census county. Maggyknockater is in the bit of Banffshire Boharm . The Cairnty part of Boharm was formerly part of Dundurcas parish in Moray so if he was born Cairnty or thereabouts it would be out of the census county of Banffshire. It doesn’t help that the Boharm (including the Banffshire portions) are found on the census films for Moray. I cannot find any trace in Scotland of brother George. There is a George Riach appears on the 1852 Canadian census age 60 but I have no further details except that he was a member of the Kirk of Scotland. One of the challenges in tracing the Riachs is that the name appears in a variety of spellings. Reich, Reach, Reiach and Reaich being some of the more popular variations. However if any of the above information rings any bells with folk who have connections with Riachs from Rothes, Boharm, Keith etc. I would be grateful. regards George -- George Brander Torre de la Horadada España

Hello Jo-Ann Most interested to hear of your search of the Forres records. John Taylor, married to Barbara Shaw were my gg grandparents and I did not know of this record of a birth of another brother for my John Taylor who came to Australia in the 1850s. I know there was a brother called Hugh who also came to Australia. Not sure what relationship there may be to the witness William Taylor, innkeeper - a new one to me. Haven't been able to find the death of either John Taylor or Barbara Shaw - do you know of any online sources that might be useful? If you are able to send me a copy of the page to: Ian Ball 19 Peacedale Grove, Nunawading 3131 Australia. It would be much appreciated. Where did you view the actual records? Best wishes for your family history research Ian Ball On 05/03/2010, at 11:28 AM, jecroft@att.net wrote: > Here is a page from the Forres Old Parish Records. My interest on > this page is CLARK. If anyone would like a copy, let me know. > > William, lawful son to John TAYLOR, Hostler to Wm MACQUEEN, Forres, > and Barbara SHAW, his spouse, was born 23d and baptized 29th June > 1832 ~ Witnesses, William TAYLOR, innkeeper, and George MacKINNON, > writer in Forres. > > Isabel, lawful daughter to Alexander CLARK, farmer in Balnageith, > and Ann CRUICKSHANKS, his spouse, was born 1st June and baptized 2d > July 1832 ~ Witnesses, John CLARK, miller at Mills of Forres, and > James GILLAN, son to John GILLAN, farmer, Balnageith. > > Agnes, lawful daughter to John WATSON, shoemaker in Fores, and Jane > MOOR, his spouse, was born 2d April, and baptized 18th June 1832 ~ > Witnesses, Lewis SMITH, farmer in Square of Grange, and John > WATSON, Forres > > Margaret, lawful daughter to Alexander SHEARER, mason in Forres, > and Janet GORDON, his spouse, was born 25th June and baptized 11th > July 1832 ~ Witnesses, Patrick DEWER, writer in Nairn, and Robert > SHEARER, mason in Forres > > Mary, lawful daughter to Hugh WHITEFORD, travelling merchant, and > Jane SIMPSON, his spouse, was born 15th and baptized 25th July 1832 > ~ Witnesses, Peter BLACK, umbrella maker, and Mary Mae COLL in Forres. > > Margaret, lawful daughter to Mr. William LAING, merchant in Forres, > and Mrs. Jane PAUL, his spouse, was born 16th July and baptized > 16th August 1832 ~ Witnesses, Mr. James STEWART, farrier, Gateside, > and Mr. John GRANT, residing in Forres. > > Robert, natural son to John ANDERSON, farm servant in Whiterow, and > Catherine GRANT, was born 1st June and baptized 28th August 1832 ~ > Witnesses, Peter CAMERON, kirk officer, and Robert ANDERSON, > residing in Forres. > > John, lawful son to William DAVIDSON, baker in Forres, and > Elisabeth WINCHESTER, his spouse, was born 1st and baptized 4th > September 1832 ~ Witnesses, John FRASER, watchmaker, and John ROSS, > merchant in Forres. > > James, lawful son to Alexander SHEPHERD, shoemaker in Forres, and > Margaret RITCHIE, his spouse, was born 1st July and baptized __ > September 1832 ~ Witnesses, James WILLIAMSON, mason, and James > HENDRY, shoemaker in Forres. > > Ann, lawful daughter to Alexander MacKENZIE, farm servant in > Bogtown, and Janet ROBERTSON, his spouse, was born 14th and > baptized 23d September 1832 ~ Witnesses, Charles SMITH and John > FALCONER in Forres. > > > -- > Jo-Ann Croft > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

To Ian and any others interested, The record page was downloaded from http://scotlandspeople.gov.uk and I will be sending a TIF format image of the page. If you have problems viewing the image I send, I will forward a printout via surface mail. -- Jo-Ann Croft

Here is a page from the Forres Old Parish Records. My interest on this page is CLARK. If anyone would like a copy, let me know. William, lawful son to John TAYLOR, Hostler to Wm MACQUEEN, Forres, and Barbara SHAW, his spouse, was born 23d and baptized 29th June 1832 ~ Witnesses, William TAYLOR, innkeeper, and George MacKINNON, writer in Forres. Isabel, lawful daughter to Alexander CLARK, farmer in Balnageith, and Ann CRUICKSHANKS, his spouse, was born 1st June and baptized 2d July 1832 ~ Witnesses, John CLARK, miller at Mills of Forres, and James GILLAN, son to John GILLAN, farmer, Balnageith. Agnes, lawful daughter to John WATSON, shoemaker in Fores, and Jane MOOR, his spouse, was born 2d April, and baptized 18th June 1832 ~ Witnesses, Lewis SMITH, farmer in Square of Grange, and John WATSON, Forres Margaret, lawful daughter to Alexander SHEARER, mason in Forres, and Janet GORDON, his spouse, was born 25th June and baptized 11th July 1832 ~ Witnesses, Patrick DEWER, writer in Nairn, and Robert SHEARER, mason in Forres Mary, lawful daughter to Hugh WHITEFORD, travelling merchant, and Jane SIMPSON, his spouse, was born 15th and baptized 25th July 1832 ~ Witnesses, Peter BLACK, umbrella maker, and Mary Mae COLL in Forres. Margaret, lawful daughter to Mr. William LAING, merchant in Forres, and Mrs. Jane PAUL, his spouse, was born 16th July and baptized 16th August 1832 ~ Witnesses, Mr. James STEWART, farrier, Gateside, and Mr. John GRANT, residing in Forres. Robert, natural son to John ANDERSON, farm servant in Whiterow, and Catherine GRANT, was born 1st June and baptized 28th August 1832 ~ Witnesses, Peter CAMERON, kirk officer, and Robert ANDERSON, residing in Forres. John, lawful son to William DAVIDSON, baker in Forres, and Elisabeth WINCHESTER, his spouse, was born 1st and baptized 4th September 1832 ~ Witnesses, John FRASER, watchmaker, and John ROSS, merchant in Forres. James, lawful son to Alexander SHEPHERD, shoemaker in Forres, and Margaret RITCHIE, his spouse, was born 1st July and baptized __ September 1832 ~ Witnesses, James WILLIAMSON, mason, and James HENDRY, shoemaker in Forres. Ann, lawful daughter to Alexander MacKENZIE, farm servant in Bogtown, and Janet ROBERTSON, his spouse, was born 14th and baptized 23d September 1832 ~ Witnesses, Charles SMITH and John FALCONER in Forres. -- Jo-Ann Croft

Hello List Members; Thought I would repost my interests in Alvah and Banff, Banffshire after a long hiatus. Hoping someone may be researching the family of James GEORGE and Helen CUMMING, married 9 Nov. 1806 in Alvah, Banff, Scotland as I am still trying to find their parents. F Children in birth order: Anne, Alexander both born Alvah - James, William and Jean all born Banff, Banffshire. William was the informant upon the death in 1875 of his sister Jean (our 3x grgrandmother). I found William, age 73, on the 1891 Census living in Banff with wife Margaret. Alexander never married. No info on the other siblings.

The second meeting of the Salmon Bothy Family History group will take place on 6th March when John R Barrett will talk about Banffshire's clearances and deserted settlements. John is well regarded as a historian and has appeared on TV when 'Who do you think you are' researched Fiona Bruce's roots in Hopeman. He has also written several books, has contributed articles to the Knock News, and has been heavily involved in Scotland's Rural Past. Scotland's Rural Past is a five year initiative, run by the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland (RCAHMS) with partnership funding. The project works with local communities to research, record and promote Scotland's vanishing historic rural settlements and landscapes. The session will start at 2pm and finish around 4pm. There is no membership fee but each session will be priced separately between £2-£6 depending on the activity or speaker- this includes refreshments. Come along and gain tips and techniques on how to pursue your family history research, listen to speakers, participate on hands-on activities and get to know other like-minded people!   Alison Smith Genealogy Coordinator Portsoy Salmon Bothy

> I am looking for Sandymoss, which I think is in Duffus area. > I cannot find it on any > map. > My great-great grandfather John Laing 1796 lived or was born > at Sandymoss. I > don't know if this was a place or a farm. I think a farm is also a type of place <g> but there certainly isn't a hamlet or village called Sandymoss. The 1841 census lists Sandy Moss in Enumeration District No 8, and your Laings are the only household at this address (unless Standmoss, a few pages earlier, is the same place with a different version of the name). Other places listed in the same district are *College of Roseisle, *Buthill, *Burntland, Williamsaugh, *Eastertown, Starwood, Woodside, Standmoss, *Longhillock, *Kirkhill, *Inskeil, *Northfield, *Standing Stone, Rosevally, *Wards, and *Newton. All those marked * (with a few spelling variations) are either on the modern 1:25,000 map or listed in the current post code directory. There were two households at Sandymoss in 1881, and the other places listed in 1881 are much the same as in 1841. So it seems clear enough that Sandymoss was somewhere west of the road from Newton to Burghead and south of the road from Roseisle to Kinloss. If the 1841 enumerator listed the addresses is some sort of logical order, which he doesn't seem to have done, it would be closer to Newton. If the 1881 enumerator did so, Sandymoss would have been closer to Buthill and Wards. Either way, you can narrow it down to an area of a few square miles. I had a look on www.old-maps.co.uk but did not find anywhere marked as Sandymoss on the 1873 six-inch map. With just one household in 1841, and two in 1881, it was probably too small to justify being named on the map. LIBINDX at http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp does not list Sandymoss (or Sandy Moss). The only other possible line of investigation I can think of is to see if Sandymoss is listed in a valuation roll in the late 1800s, find out who owned it, and see whether there is an estate archive somewhere which might mention it. Hope this helps. Anne

Message ID:868FCA278DBB4A32900B0C94636C0E74@GeorgeVostro < Thank you Anne Burgess for the pictures about Elgin, Urqhart and area. I have been doing genealogy research of the area, particularly Burghead, Duffus and Elgin and it is so nice to be able to see pictures of the different areas. I think some of my ancestors may have also been from Roseisle. I am looking for Sandymoss, which I think is in Duffus area. I cannot find it on any map. My great-great grandfather John Laing 1796 lived or was born at Sandymoss. I don't know if this was a place or a farm. Great-grandfather William,dob 1831, was born to John Laing and Elspet Cobban, one of 5 children as far as I know. My grandfather was James Laing dob 1876, born to Wiliam Laing and Elspet McHardy at Burghead, one of 5 children and he was a twin. He moved to Canada around 1903 and farmed in Saskatchewan. His wife, my grandmother, was Elizabeth Bartlett 1886 also born in Burghead and she left Scotland in 1910, I believe. Both grandparents died in Canada. Any info would be appreciated. It is hard when there was so little info to go on and no-one left to ask for details. Faye Graham Abbotsford, BC,Canada

> I guess the old Urquhart church is identical with that which > is now a guest > house per. the web adverts? Yes. The kirk was turned into a guest house about 15 years ago, but it has changed hands at least once since then and last time I looked it was on the market again so I am not sure if it is still a GH. Anne

Thank you Anne and Gavin for your help and guidance. It serves to help clarify an otherwise muddy perspective from a long way away. The photo's are a great asset Anne and much appreciated. I guess the old Urquhart church is identical with that which is now a guest house per. the web adverts? Grateful if you could keep these Roses in mind during your research in the area and let me know if you come across any information. Best regards George ----- Original Message ----- From: <moray-request@rootsweb.com> To: <moray@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:00 AM Subject: MORAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 30 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Location of Meft, Urquhart (George Rose) > 2. Re: Location of Meft, Urquhart (Gavin Bell) > 3. Re: Location of Meft, Urquhart (Anne Burgess) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:21:51 -0400 > From: "George Rose" <gfr@logic.bm> > Subject: [MORAY] Location of Meft, Urquhart > To: <moray@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <0902C2BF2DAD4976B294A57813C29B57@GeorgeVostro> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello everyone, > > I am tracking my Rose ancestors in Scotland and have some of them baptized > to my G.G.Gf William Rose and Margaret Young variously described in the > records as being "in Meft", and "at Upper Meft, Urquhart, > [Moray]. > > I am having difficulty identifying the precise location of Meft although I > have identified the following terms as likely references - all in > Urquhart, Morayshire. > > Meft Farm, Innes Estate, Urquhart: > > Nether Meft Farm, Urquhart: > > Moss of Meft Farm, Urquhart: > > Over Meft Farm, Urquhart: > > Upper Meft Farm, Urquhart: > > Blackhills of Meft Farm or Blackhills Farm, Fife Estate, Urquhart. > > > > My question is - can anyone help in identifying/locating the place named > as Meft - and its church ? > > Is it a village or hamlet and does the reference to "Upper Meft" in one > of the baptisms provide the clue > > as meaning Upper Meft Farm ? Does the word Meft actually have a > meaning. > > > > I would be most grateful for any explanation you can provide. > > George F. Rose > > Bermuda Islands > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:18:56 +0000 > From: Gavin Bell <g.bell@which.net> > Subject: Re: [MORAY] Location of Meft, Urquhart > To: moray@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4B82F4C0.1060301@which.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > George Rose wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> I am tracking my Rose ancestors in Scotland and have some of them >> baptized to my G.G.Gf William Rose and Margaret Young variously >> described in the records as being "in Meft", and "at Upper Meft, >> Urquhart, [Moray]. >> >> I am having difficulty identifying the precise location of Meft >> although I have identified the following terms as likely references - >> all in Urquhart, Morayshire. >> >> Meft Farm, Innes Estate, Urquhart: >> >> Nether Meft Farm, Urquhart: >> >> Moss of Meft Farm, Urquhart: >> >> Over Meft Farm, Urquhart: >> >> Upper Meft Farm, Urquhart: >> >> Blackhills of Meft Farm or Blackhills Farm, Fife Estate, Urquhart. >> >> >> >> My question is - can anyone help in identifying/locating the place >> named as Meft - and its church ? > > > I don't think there ever was a *single* place called "Meft". Rather, in > line with what seems to be standard pattern for Scottish placenames, the > name "Meft" will have applied to a stretch of country, within which some > of the variants you list above (and quite possibly others) will have > occurred. > > Studies I have carried out on placenames in the adjoining county of > Banffshire suggest that, while the base name ("Meft") probably remained > constant over a long period of time, the "qualifiers" ("Nether", "Upper" > etc.) are quite likely to have varied over the years. For example, the > 1851 Census includes a "Moss of Meft", which also appears on the 1st > edition (1876) of the Ordnance Survey 1" map. > >> >> Is it a village or hamlet and does the reference to "Upper Meft" in >> one of the baptisms provide the clue > > > I very much doubt if there was ever as much as a hamlet, and there > certainly won't have been a separate church. The name will have been > understood as applying to an area to the north-west of the village of > Urquhart, and people will not necessarily always have been too bothered > to distinguish between ""Upper", "Lower", "Moss of". > > > Gavin Bell > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:47:28 -0000 > From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [MORAY] Location of Meft, Urquhart > To: <moray@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <437B787207504DEE9F834132A10CB1DC@anneb> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; > reply-type=original > > Meft is almost on my doorstep (in fact I almost bought a house > there once), and I can confirm what Gavin said. There are > several places with 'Meft' in their names, all fairly close > together south of Innes House. Theye do not, in my opinion, > constitute either a village or a hamlet. Sorting out which > particular one > an ancestor lived in may not be easy. > > There is no church in Meft. The nearest would have been Urquhart > in one direction or St Andrews-Lhanbryd in the other. Most if > not all of Meft is in the parish of Urquhart. > > There are some photographs of Meft at > http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ2663 > http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ2764 > http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ2562 > http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ2863 > > Hope this helps. > > Anne > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MORAY list administrator, send an email to > MORAY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MORAY mailing list, send an email to > MORAY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MORAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 30 > ************************************ >

Meft is almost on my doorstep (in fact I almost bought a house there once), and I can confirm what Gavin said. There are several places with 'Meft' in their names, all fairly close together south of Innes House. Theye do not, in my opinion, constitute either a village or a hamlet. Sorting out which particular one an ancestor lived in may not be easy. There is no church in Meft. The nearest would have been Urquhart in one direction or St Andrews-Lhanbryd in the other. Most if not all of Meft is in the parish of Urquhart. There are some photographs of Meft at http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ2663 http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ2764 http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ2562 http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ2863 Hope this helps. Anne

George Rose wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I am tracking my Rose ancestors in Scotland and have some of them > baptized to my G.G.Gf William Rose and Margaret Young variously > described in the records as being "in Meft", and "at Upper Meft, > Urquhart, [Moray]. > > I am having difficulty identifying the precise location of Meft > although I have identified the following terms as likely references - > all in Urquhart, Morayshire. > > Meft Farm, Innes Estate, Urquhart: > > Nether Meft Farm, Urquhart: > > Moss of Meft Farm, Urquhart: > > Over Meft Farm, Urquhart: > > Upper Meft Farm, Urquhart: > > Blackhills of Meft Farm or Blackhills Farm, Fife Estate, Urquhart. > > > > My question is - can anyone help in identifying/locating the place > named as Meft - and its church ? I don't think there ever was a *single* place called "Meft". Rather, in line with what seems to be standard pattern for Scottish placenames, the name "Meft" will have applied to a stretch of country, within which some of the variants you list above (and quite possibly others) will have occurred. Studies I have carried out on placenames in the adjoining county of Banffshire suggest that, while the base name ("Meft") probably remained constant over a long period of time, the "qualifiers" ("Nether", "Upper" etc.) are quite likely to have varied over the years. For example, the 1851 Census includes a "Moss of Meft", which also appears on the 1st edition (1876) of the Ordnance Survey 1" map. > > Is it a village or hamlet and does the reference to "Upper Meft" in > one of the baptisms provide the clue I very much doubt if there was ever as much as a hamlet, and there certainly won't have been a separate church. The name will have been understood as applying to an area to the north-west of the village of Urquhart, and people will not necessarily always have been too bothered to distinguish between ""Upper", "Lower", "Moss of". Gavin Bell

Hello everyone, I am tracking my Rose ancestors in Scotland and have some of them baptized to my G.G.Gf William Rose and Margaret Young variously described in the records as being "in Meft", and "at Upper Meft, Urquhart, [Moray]. I am having difficulty identifying the precise location of Meft although I have identified the following terms as likely references - all in Urquhart, Morayshire. Meft Farm, Innes Estate, Urquhart: Nether Meft Farm, Urquhart: Moss of Meft Farm, Urquhart: Over Meft Farm, Urquhart: Upper Meft Farm, Urquhart: Blackhills of Meft Farm or Blackhills Farm, Fife Estate, Urquhart. My question is - can anyone help in identifying/locating the place named as Meft - and its church ? Is it a village or hamlet and does the reference to "Upper Meft" in one of the baptisms provide the clue as meaning Upper Meft Farm ? Does the word Meft actually have a meaning. I would be most grateful for any explanation you can provide. George F. Rose Bermuda Islands

Hello John I read the message that was addressed to the Aberdeen list, I think it was, when it should have been to the Moray listso I forwarded it. I later read the same message, having been sent with an apology to the Moray list. I didn't realise that my forwarded message didn't contain the main body! A copy does not come to me, on Sky, the way it did when I was with AOL so I never know if a message has gone to the varying lists. It is late at night so I hope this message is clear! I checked the MILNES out as I have some in my line. Sheila. John Milne wrote: > To Pentlands, please repeat your message as the main body was not included. > John Milne enlimjr7@sympatico.ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pentlands" <fmckinnear@sky.com> > To: <moray@rootsweb.com> > >

According to the "History of the Burgh of Canongate" the NW boundary ran along Leith Wynd. I cannot find that street on a current street map, but looking at the 1870-1877 city map on the National Library website http://geo.nls.uk/ostowns, the boundary line is quite a ways SE of Register House. And the Burgh of Canongate became part of Edinburgh in 1865. -- Jo-Ann -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> > > Unless of course General Register House and New Register House > are actually in the parish of Canongate, and thus Canongate > became the repository for all the neglected entries after the > parish registers were gathered into the keeping of the Registrar > General. I don't have a detailed map of which streets were in > which parish in the City of Edinburgh. >

> Might he have been applying for some pension or other fund to > assist his > living expenses and found he was not registered ? I can only > think he > was somehow needing legal documentation that he was born in > Elgin [or > somewhere] and found he wasn't originally registered in the > county of > his birth. If he wrote to Edinburgh with evidence of his > birthplace, > perhaps they registered him there [Edinburgh] ? Possibly, but he doesn't seem to have had any other connections there. The logical place to write to would have been to Elgin so that he could have been included in the Register of Neglected Entries there. Unless of course General Register House and New Register House are actually in the parish of Canongate, and thus Canongate became the repository for all the neglected entries after the parish registers were gathered into the keeping of the Registrar General. I don't have a detailed map of which streets were in which parish in the City of Edinburgh. > Is that the parish > where Edinburgh sits ? The Canongate was originally a separate burgh and parish next door to the parish of Edinburgh, but it is now within the City of Edinburgh. > Its Midlothian County County of Midlothian, not Midlothian County; and for a time it was called the County of Edinburgh, or Edinburghshire. Anne

Wow...thank you so much for this site. This may come in extremely handy very soon! -----Original Message----- >From: suedog@tesco.net >Sent: Feb 20, 2010 5:04 AM >To: moray@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MORAY] Canongate OPRs, mention of Elgin man, John Milne > >If you're interested in John Milne, here is info. from Libindx > > > >LIBINDX ONLINE GENEALOGICAL SEARCH > >If your roots are in Moray and you have some basic facts to build on, you can employ the resources of The Moray Council’s Local Heritage Centre to help trace your family tree. The Local Heritage Centre at Grant Lodge holds a comprehensive collection of unique records. These can make the difference between success and failure in your search. > > > > > > >Biography Details > > >Reference No.: NM006850 >Surname: MILNE >Forename(s): JOHN >Maiden Name: >Occupation: ARCHITECT & BURGH SURVEYOR & ASSESSOR & SANITARY INSPECTOR >Date of Birth: 05 NOV 1843 >Place of Birth: ELGIN >Father's Name: >Mother's Name: >Biography: WORKED IN ELGIN & FORRES & LIVERPOOL > >Marriage Details > >Spouse's Name: >Date of Marriage: >Place of Marriage: >Married by: >Marriage Narrative: > >Death Details > >Date of Death: 10 JUL 1912 >Age: 68 >Headstone Ref: Ec517 >Place of Death: 12 ABBEY STREET ELGIN >Parish Register: >Death Narrative: > > > >Newspaper Articles > >Newspaper Description Date Page/Column >FG contract for designing new Free Church at Dallas 01/06/1870 2/3 >FG opening of business at 2 Milnes Wynd, Forres 08/02/1871 1/1 >FG opening of business 08/02/1871 2/4 >MNE move of business to 219 High Street, Elgin 06/02/1886 1/1 >COURANT death 12/07/1912 1/1 >COURANT obituary 12/07/1912 5/3 >FN death 13/07/1912 1/1 >FN death 13/07/1912 1/1 >FN obituary 13/07/1912 4/1 >FN obituary 13/07/1912 4/1 >FG obituary 17/07/1912 3/6 >FG death 17/07/1912 2/6 > > > >Miscellaneous Articles > >Date Description >Miscellaneous >1878 report on repairs to ecclesiastical buildings in Forres - DBA HFo77/878/1 >Photographs & Illustrations >1912 "Northern Scot Christmas number" p40 - L 079 > >---- Meg Greenwood <scotquester@bartnet.net> wrote: >> These OPRs were amazing to read in that there was so much detail in >> them. Here is an entry in the Canongate Neglected Entries book . It >> mentions an Elgin man. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA >> -------------------------- >> >> Neglected Entry dated 3 April, 1890 >> Entry 554, Birth. John MILNE, Architect in Elgin, son of James MILNE, >> Blacksmith and Catherine WILSON or MILNE, his wife both now deceased was >> born on the 5th day of November, 1843 at Number 39 North College Street >> in the Parish and County of Elgin. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Joanie

Could it be Sheriffston which is between Elgin and Lhanbryde? ---- Anne Burgess <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> wrote: > > I have a Margaret SHAND, age 29, unmarried, in the 1851 census > > who is shown > > as born in Shearerstown, Morayshire. Does anyone have any > > idea where that > > was? > > None at all. (I have heard of Shandstown, which is in Boharm). > > Is this from FreeCEN or have you seen the original? > > I note with interest that a Margaret Shand, aged 15, born Moray, > was a servant at Arndilly in Boharm in the 1841 census. > > Anne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message