Hello. This is my first post to this list, and a very long shot. Looking to connect with family of a ROBERTSON man who married into my FREELOVE line in 1904, in Plumstead, Woolwich, Kent. I have little to go on except he states in Census that he is born Scotland. The reason why I appeal on this list for help and guidance is: Appearing on the English 1901C living at 6 Witherington Road, Islington. RG13 pc 202. are: 1. ROBERTSON, William G Head Married M 30 1871 Commercial Clerk Scotland ROBERTSON, Jessie E Wife Married F 27 1874 Scotland. Plus 2. George ROBERTSON m 31 Drapery Warehouseman b Scotland and Emma 31 pob Scotland. Margaret 4 pob Highbury Elsie 11 mos pob Highbury. I'm reasonably confident family no 1 appear in the 1911C with the added info of pob for William Gordon ROBERTSON as Garmouth, Elgin (Moray). Going back to the ROBERTSON/FREELOVE connection, the marriage took place in the Primitive Methodist Chapel, Robert Street, Plumstead. This was the first entry for a Methodist event I've made, and the bride was one of 9 children. Father of the groom was Donald ROBERTSON. A witness was William G ROBERTSON hence my interest in the William G in first paragraph. Hoping to follow on from the marriage and find children - disappointment! Donald ROBERTSON had died by 1911C, as his wife showed as a widow, domestic servant, with another household, only 25 yo. Several contacts have looked for his death entry in England for me with no success. However, it looks as though a son was born, but appears in 1911C with another family under their surname. Is there perhaps a death logged for a young Donald ROBERTSON between 1904 and 1911 in the county? If anyone can tell me that I have got the wrong family, it will at least point me in another direction. Obviously I will be making other searches. I've browsed the roberts-L@rootsweb archives but nothing there for me. Thank you for reading. Joan.

>A little help from the 1901 census on ancestry. > > Edinburgh family - It seems that Donald jr is married and > working as a joiner in > Edinburgh. > Dundee family - Donald jr not around and William George (a > baker) is still at > home. So maybe the William G Robertson who was the witness is William George Robertson, baker in Edinburgh, and William Gordon Robertson is a complete red herring. As is George Robertson next door to him. > Ancestry only has the England & Wales data from the FreeBMD > website, so that > was no help. No. Ancestry just mirrors the FreeBMD site. > You could probably find his death on findmypast, but it can > get expensive. Not to mention tedious. Anne

Hello I have on my family tree a George Riach b 1792 and Alexander Riach b 1787 who were born in Rothes. Alexander went on to marry Elizabeth Mitchell and I have reason to believe George married Helen Forsythe and had 5 children in Rothes before going to Ontario Canada before the 1841 with his wifes sister and husband. They had another child there. He was in Brant County Canada in 1851 census aged 60 and he and his wife are buried in Wentworth Ancaster. George and Helen's daughter Ann Riach b 1821 died after falling down a well at the family home just before she became engaged in 1843, husband to be is unknown Kind regards Lorraine ----- Original Message ----- From: <moray-request@rootsweb.com> To: <moray@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 4:00 PM Subject: MORAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 36 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Alex and George RIACH (George Brander) > 2. Lamb Family, Nairn - Elizabeth Lamb of Questionable Character > (Sherry) > 3. Re: Lamb Family, Nairn - Elizabeth Lamb of Questionable > Character (jecroft@att.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 15:23:21 +0100 > From: George Brander <george.brander@gmail.com> > Subject: [MORAY] Alex and George RIACH > To: Moray@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <eb9663161003060623h8351ee0k72d7741f412f4cb7@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > I am trying to find out the parents of Alexander and George Riach and any > siblings and to which branch of the Riach family they belong . It is said > that their father tenanted the farm of Cairnty and his mother was a famous > itinerant preacher. (So famous that I cannot find her!).From what I can > find > out Cairnty is in Boharm formerly part of Dundurcas parish. > > In 1829 Alex Riach was appointed assistant schoolmaster at Keith when > James > Smith became parish schoolmaster at the Tolbooth School. Prior to this > both > Alex Riach and his brother George are said to have taught in a private > school in Aberdeen. Alex was not popular at Keith and left for Banff > Academy > from where he went abroad to be the minister in a church in the British > colony of Berbice which became part of British Guiana. According to the > Fasti Ecclesiae Scotanicae he was appointed to St Clements, Berbice in 13 > March 1849 and died 19 April 1855 at New Amsterdam, Berbice. His wife Mary > had died a few weeks earlier on 16 March 1855. > > I think I have found both brothers on the Roll of Alumni in Arts of the > University and King?s College, Aberdeen. George appears in the section > 1818-1822 as having been a first year student, and then in 1819-1823 as a > second, third and fourth year student. Alex appears 1819-1823 doing these > four years. > > My next trace of Alex is in the 1841 census where he is at Maggyknockater, > Boharm a teacher age 55 born outside census county. Maggyknockater is in > the > bit of Banffshire Boharm . The Cairnty part of Boharm was formerly part of > Dundurcas parish in Moray so if he was born Cairnty or thereabouts it > would > be out of the census county of Banffshire. It doesn?t help that the Boharm > (including the Banffshire portions) are found on the census films for > Moray. > > I cannot find any trace in Scotland of brother George. There is a George > Riach appears on the 1852 Canadian census age 60 but I have no further > details except that he was a member of the Kirk of Scotland. > > One of the challenges in tracing the Riachs is that the name appears in a > variety of spellings. Reich, Reach, Reiach and Reaich being some of the > more > popular variations. However if any of the above information rings any > bells > with folk who have connections with Riachs from Rothes, Boharm, Keith etc. > I > would be grateful. > regards > George > -- > George Brander > Torre de la Horadada > Espa?a > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 16:50:45 -0500 > From: "Sherry" <wiccanpt2@netzero.net> > Subject: [MORAY] Lamb Family, Nairn - Elizabeth Lamb of Questionable > Character > To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com>, <sct-nairnshire@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000001cabd77$13912e40$3ab38ac0$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello All??.am attempting to trace an Isabel Lamb who married William > Calder (skip to the *** at the end of the message if you do not wish to > view the background of this story). No record of the marriage; however, a > James Calder (my 4th great) was born to this couple in 1785 Nairn, > Nairnshire (the only ?recorded? baptism indexed to this couple). Passed > down information in my family indicates his parents as ?? Calder and Janet > Lamb. He named his first son William so I assume this is the name of his > father. All I know with certainty is that when he married Janet MacIntosh > and had children, all events occurred in Nairn, Nairnshire. > > I am presently working on the theory that his mother - this Isabel Lamb > was born to Peter Lamb and Florence Monroe in 1757 Nairn. No Peter?s or > Florences? in my early Calder family ? actually all I have is James Calder > mentioned above and Isabel Calder born about 1789. No other clues with > regard to their roots. Isabella never married, came over to Canada with > James in 1832. > > Although grasping at straws, I believe the progenitors of this Lamb family > were Hugh Lamb / Lambie / Lammie and Isabel Montgomery. The task of > proving is difficult as the mothers? names were not recorded in earlier > Nairn, Nairnshire baptismal records. The union is based on a > circumstantial timeline?.assuming every event was recorded?.in a perfect > world :-). As of yet, I have not viewed their marriage record from > Auldearn - they were recorded as ?contracted? in January 1706 Nairn, > Nairnshire (testificate). At that time, Hugh was residing in Nairn and > Isabel in Auldearn. > > A Peter / Patrick Lamb was born to this couple (Hugh Lamb / Isabel > Mongomery) in 1718 Broadley, Nairn, Nairnshire and it is this Peter who > may have married Florence Munro and may have parented my Isabel Lamb in > 1757 Nairn??..too many ?what ifs? to count. > > In looking at deaths on sp, I have run into Janet (1776-1855) and > Elizabeth (1788?1863) Lamb ? parents listed on these records are Peter > Lamb and Anne McBain (although Janet was clearly born before they married > in 1782). I am working on the possibility that this Peter was brother to > my Isabel Lamb. A Peter is recorded to Peter Lamb and Florence Munro in > 1753 Nairn, Nairnshire. > > So??assuming that they stay in the area??.and the son, Peter Lamb married > Anne McBain?..I found four children; a Janet who never married; a Hugh who > is MIA; an Elizabeth who never married and an Anne. > > Although I took the ?scenic route? in this post, Elizabeth Lamb is the > subject of this post. She seemed to be quite a harlot :-) > > *********** > > I believe that Elizabeth had one child out of wedlock with George McKay, > an officer of excise in Alnes (?) Ross-shire. Their son, George baptized > in 1822 Nairn, is listed as Janet Lamb?s nephew on her death record in > 1855 Nairn, Nairnshire. Elizabeth is listed with Janet in the 1851 Census > for Nairn as her sister. > > Another illegitimate entry exists for a Hugh Cameron born 1824 Nairn to > John Cameron, mail coach driver and an Elizabeth Lamb. I am guessing that > this is my Elizabeth as there were not that many Lamb?s in Nairn. > > In the 1841 Census for Nairn, Nairnshire, an Elizabeth Lamb is listed in > the Nairn jail with ?no prof occupation?. Does this wording allude to the > fact that she had a shady occupation (professional) or that she had no > "proof" of employment? Remember....the only stupid question is the one > that is never asked :-) > > Would like to know your thoughts if you have some time. > > Kind regards, > > Sherry > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 02:02:56 +0000 > From: jecroft@att.net > Subject: Re: [MORAY] Lamb Family, Nairn - Elizabeth Lamb of > Questionable Character > To: moray@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <030720100202.26845.4B930950000B0F7F000068DD22193100029B0A02D29B9B0EBF9B00019D0C0A06@att.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > It simply means that she had "no profession or employment". > > -- > Jo-Ann > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Sherry" <wiccanpt2@netzero.net> >> In the 1841 Census for Nairn, Nairnshire, an Elizabeth Lamb is listed in >> the >> Nairn jail with ?no prof occupation?. Does this wording allude to the >> fact >> that she had a shady occupation (professional) or that she had no "proof" >> of >> employment? Remember....the only stupid question is the one that is >> never asked > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MORAY list administrator, send an email to > MORAY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MORAY mailing list, send an email to > MORAY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MORAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 36 > ************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Thanks for this, Chris, and Robin of course. Can you keep me posted on anything you have on the family of Alexander and Margaret? I collect any Burgesses from this area in the hope of one day being able to link them to mine. Alexander's brother Charles died in Elgin in 1863. Anne MacKinnon died in Ottawa in 1880. Is it possible that she was with Alexander in 1872, or did she follow him to Canada later? I have no information about his sister Anne after 1871. Did she too emigrate, perhaps with their mother? I also have a large tree of Alexander's relatives in Scotland if anyone is interested. Best wishes Anne

Liz, I have them in my tree, although I haven't done any other research on George or the children. Margaret LEAL's mother was Anne ROBB which is my link. -- Jo-Ann Croft -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: liza stuart <lizastart@yahoo.ca> > HiIs anyone else researching the Falconer(Fawkner) family: George Falconer married Margaret Leal and ha several children: John, Ann, Margaret, Elizabeth, > George and JeanThanksLiz

My children are descended from Margaret RIACH, b 7 May 1727, Botrephiric, Banffshire, who married Patrick TAYLOR, bapt 29 Apr 1725, Rathven, Keith, sometime before 1744. Margaret was the daughter of Janet (n BREMNER) & William RIACH. Does this ring any bells? shalom Chris Christopher Ridings cnridings@gmail.com http://chrisridings.blogspot.com/ P.S. Please note that my email address has changed from cnridings@exemail.com.au to cnridings@gmail.com. > Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 15:23:21 +0100 > From: George Brander <george.brander@gmail.com> > Subject: [MORAY] Alex and George RIACH > To: Moray@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <eb9663161003060623h8351ee0k72d7741f412f4cb7@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > I am trying to find out the parents of Alexander and George Riach > and any > siblings and to which branch of the Riach family they belong . It is > said > that their father tenanted the farm of Cairnty and his mother was a > famous > itinerant preacher. (So famous that I cannot find her!).From what I > can find > out Cairnty is in Boharm formerly part of Dundurcas parish. > > In 1829 Alex Riach was appointed assistant schoolmaster at Keith > when James > Smith became parish schoolmaster at the Tolbooth School. Prior to > this both > Alex Riach and his brother George are said to have taught in a private > school in Aberdeen. Alex was not popular at Keith and left for Banff > Academy > from where he went abroad to be the minister in a church in the > British > colony of Berbice which became part of British Guiana. According to > the > Fasti Ecclesiae Scotanicae he was appointed to St Clements, Berbice > in 13 > March 1849 and died 19 April 1855 at New Amsterdam, Berbice. His > wife Mary > had died a few weeks earlier on 16 March 1855. > > I think I have found both brothers on the Roll of Alumni in Arts of > the > University and King?s College, Aberdeen. George appears in the section > 1818-1822 as having been a first year student, and then in 1819-1823 > as a > second, third and fourth year student. Alex appears 1819-1823 doing > these > four years. > > My next trace of Alex is in the 1841 census where he is at > Maggyknockater, > Boharm a teacher age 55 born outside census county. Maggyknockater > is in the > bit of Banffshire Boharm . The Cairnty part of Boharm was formerly > part of > Dundurcas parish in Moray so if he was born Cairnty or thereabouts > it would > be out of the census county of Banffshire. It doesn?t help that the > Boharm > (including the Banffshire portions) are found on the census films > for Moray. > > I cannot find any trace in Scotland of brother George. There is a > George > Riach appears on the 1852 Canadian census age 60 but I have no further > details except that he was a member of the Kirk of Scotland. > > One of the challenges in tracing the Riachs is that the name appears > in a > variety of spellings. Reich, Reach, Reiach and Reaich being some of > the more > popular variations. However if any of the above information rings > any bells > with folk who have connections with Riachs from Rothes, Boharm, > Keith etc. I > would be grateful. > regards > George > -- > George Brander > Torre de la Horadada > Espa?a > > ************************************

> Before James Murison emigrated, he worked on the railway at > Portsoy and made > friends with a fellow worker, Alexander > Mackinnon BURGESS. Alexander also > emigrated at about the same time and he and James worked on > the railway in > Ontario before going their separate ways, but retaining a > close friendship. > Alexander became a reporter, then a newspaper owner, and > finally became a > member of the federal government in Ottawa. James mentioned > in his letters > home that he was hoping to get (but never did) a copy of > Alexander's journal > describing his voyage to Canada. It is possible they were on > the same boat, but > again, I can't find them. > > If anyone has access to shipping manifests, I would be most > grateful if they could > take a look and see if my MURISONs and GARROWs can be found. > Also > Alexander Mackinnon BURGESS. I can help to narrow the dates down a bit. Alexander Mackinnon Burgess was in Portsoy in the 1871 census, and is said to have arrived in Canada later that same year. He went to work for the Toronto 'Globe' and attended sessions of Parliament as a reporter from 1872 onwards. Anne

> It was Donald ROBERTSON who married in > 1904 in Plumstead. His age at marriage 25 (dob prob 1879). The marriage was in the third quarter, so if he was 25 then, he would have been born in the end of 1878 or the early part of 1879, the exact dates depending on the wedding date. > Father was > another Donald ROBERTSON. In 1901C Donald Jr was lodging with > his bride's > family in Plumstead so no other family to work on. What was Donald Sr's occupation according to Donald Jr's marriage certificate? According to the LDS CD-ROMs there were seven Donald Robertsons of roughly the right age in the 1881 census in Scotland with a father also named Donald. The fathers' occupations were Provision merchant in Dundee, Angus Crofter in Canisbay, Caithness Mason in Forfar, Angus Gamekeeper in Killin, Perthshire Joiner in Dundee (who also had a son William George) Another joiner in Edinburgh Farm labourer in Glasgow All of those except the crofter and the labourer were the sort of skilled trades which you would expect them to continue working at throughout their lives. So the father's occupation on the 1904 marriage certificate could be very useful. Anne

George, 1841 & 1851 census show James RIACH as farmer at Mains of Cairnty in Boharm. In 1841, a possible son, James, aged 40, is shown in the household. James age 65 Jean age 45 (current wife, Jean NEWLANDS) James age 40 (son from 1st marriage) William age 17 (son from current marriage) Jean age 15 Elspet age 12 Mary age 10 ------------------------ In 1851, James sr is shown as born in Rothes. In Rothes OPR, a James married a Margaret ADAMS in Dundurcas 1795 and had the following children. James 1797 Isobel 1799 Alexander 1800 George 1802 John 1803 Janet 1807 Katherine 1807 There is a possibility that this James is the same as the tenant at Cairnty. Regretfully, James died in 1858 when they did not list the names of wives. -- Jo-Ann Croft

This is a copy of a posting I sent to the SCOTS-IN-CANADA Rootsweb message board on 5 March 2010. I've just sent a message directly to Hayley Doyle asking about her GARROW connections. I'm a MURISON on my mother's side. I have them going back to the parish of Gamrie in Banffshire in the 1700s and moving down the road to Alvah to run the smithy. They married into the GARROW family of Dufftown and a bunch of them decided to emigrate. James MURISON (1833-1908) and his wife Isabella GARROW (1824-1896), together with their children, sailed around 1871-2 from, I believe, Glasgow, but for the life of me I can't find them in any manifests. I do know that James GARROW (1848-1930) and his wife Isabella MURISON (1852-1933) sailed on the 'Manitoban' out of Glasgow on 27 June 1872 (list #53, Ref: RG76, Film C-4527), but I had believed the aforementioned James Murison and Isabella Garrow were on this boat as well. I can't find them anywhere. They all settled in Elgin County, Ontario and James eventually became a successful farmer. The families eventually spread out to Windsor (Ontario), Winnipeg (Manitoba), Powell River (British Columbia) and America. Before James Murison emigrated, he worked on the railway at Portsoy and made friends with a fellow worker, Alexander Mackinnon BURGESS. Alexander also emigrated at about the same time and he and James worked on the railway in Ontario before going their separate ways, but retaining a close friendship. Alexander became a reporter, then a newspaper owner, and finally became a member of the federal government in Ottawa. James mentioned in his letters home that he was hoping to get (but never did) a copy of Alexander's journal describing his voyage to Canada. It is possible they were on the same boat, but again, I can't find them. If anyone has access to shipping manifests, I would be most grateful if they could take a look and see if my MURISONs and GARROWs can be found. Also Alexander Mackinnon BURGESS. I would also be happy to hear from anyone with connections to my MURISON and GARROW families. Chris Duff (in Canada since 1982)

Maggie Barron wrote: > Hi George > > While browsing through familysearch, I came across an earlier > marriage record for a couple in Boharm (but this record lists Boharm > as in Moray rather than Banff). Until 1891, the parish of Boharm lay partly in Banffshire and partly in Moray. This is part of a very complex story, involving the parishes of Boharm, Dundurcas and Tothes, and the counties of Banffshire and Moray. I have tried to unravel this, and to tease out the implications for genealogical research, at: http://www.abdnet.co.uk/genuki/BAN/Boharm/index.html#HistGeog and the related Gazetteer pages. Gavin Bell

> Hello. This is my first post to this list, and a very long > shot. Hello Joan, and welcome to the list. > Looking to connect with family of a ROBERTSON man who married > into my > FREELOVE line in 1904, in Plumstead, Woolwich, Kent. >From FreeBMD, I take it that this is Donald Robertson and Elice Ethel Freelove, and you say that he has the same name as his father? How old was he in 1904 according to his marriage certificate? > I have little to go on except he states in Census that he is > born Scotland. Which census was this? If the 1901, before he was married, how can you be sure he is the right Donald Robertson? > Appearing on the English 1901C living at 6 Witherington Road, > Islington > ROBERTSON, William G Head Married M 30 1871 Commercial Clerk > Scotland > ROBERTSON, Jessie E Wife Married F 27 1874 Scotland. > Plus > George ROBERTSON m 31 Drapery Warehouseman b Scotland and > Emma 31 pob Scotland. > Margaret 4 pob Highbury > Elsie 11 mos pob Highbury. I presume this information is from Ancestry? The reason I ask is that the original census does not give a DoB. The DoB is calculated by subtracting the age from the census year. Because the census is held three months into the year, this means that three DoBs out of four are wrong. Someone aged 30 on 31 March 1901 would have been born between 1 April 1870 and 31 March 1871. I wish Ancestry wouldn't give these estimated DoBs as they are potentially misleading! Unfortunately the International Genealogical Index at www.familysearch.org doesn't list a William Gordon Robertson among the many William Robertsons born in Scotland between1868 and1872. Nor, though there are 7 William Robertsons born 1868-72 in Moray, is there one born in Garmouth. Armed with the 1891 information from Rhoda's message, I found Annie Robertson, wife of a ship carpenter, at High Street, parish of Urquhart in the 1881 census CD, with son William, 10, and daughters Mary Ann, 4 and Helen, 2. The children's PoB is given as Speymouth. I think that this is in fact High Street, Garmouth, parish of Urquhart, because the LDS omitted all the town and village names when they transcribed the 1881 census on to CD-ROM. Now, the IGI lists four Williams born in Speymouth between 1868 and 1872 named William with a mother named Ann. Three of the four (William Cameron, William Newlands and William Rhynes) are in the 1881 census but the fourth one, William Cruickshanks Ellies, is not. His birth reference gives his mother's name as Ann Ellies, but no father. I ***speculate*** that William Robertson might possibly perhaps be William Ellies, his mother having married a Robertson who gave his stepson his name. The way to check this would be to use six of the 30 credits Rhoda advised you to buy on Scotland's People to find the birth certificate of Helen Robertson in Speymouth in 1878-9, and find out the maiden surname of her mother and the name of her father. If her mother's surname was not Elli(e)s, then I am wrong, but at least you will have his mother's correct name. (I would not bother looking at the 1891 census extract until you are sure you have the right William.) I see from FreeBMD that William Gordon Robertson married in the fourth quarter of 1899 in Islington, and that the bride was either Jessie Elizabeth Macdonald or Edith Mary Dawson. You could get this certificate and see what it says about William's father's name. I also see that George William Robertson married in the second quarter of 1895 in Islington. The bride was either Emma Allan or Minnie Elizabeth Marshall. You could get this certificate and see what it says about George's father. > Is there perhaps a death logged for a young Donald ROBERTSON > between 1904 > and 1911 in the county? FreeBMD doesn't list a likely-looking death of a Donald Robertson 1904-1911. There are four, but two are too young and the other two are probably too old and in the wrong places. It is possible that the relevant death has not been transcribed yet. There are 39 Donald Robertsons in the Scottish death indexes from 1904 to 1911, so that isn't a very profitable line of enquiry unless you can narrow down his age from his marriage certificate. As for the expense alluded to by Rhoda, you can download instantly from Scotland's People up to five images of birth, death and marriage or census records for less than the price of sending away for one English certificate which will take about a week to reach you. Does this help? Anne

Christopher Ridings wrote: > My children are descended from Margaret RIACH, b 7 May 1727, > Botrephiric, Banffshire, who married Patrick TAYLOR, bapt 29 Apr 1725, > Rathven, Keith, sometime before 1744. > Margaret was the daughter of Janet (n BREMNER) & William RIACH. > > Does this ring any bells? I have not got as far back as the early 1700s in linking up the Riachs, Christopher. However I am aware from my general Riach notes that the Testament and Inventory of William Riach husband of Janet Bremner was lodged with the Moray Commissary Court in 9 August 1768. It is available for downloading from the Scotlandspeople site at a cost of £5. he is described as living at Drum. William and Janet were also parents of Isobel and Beatrix Riach. Other notes say he died in 1759. Without looking it up I think I got that from the Moray Libindx site. regards George -- George Brander Torre de la Horadada España

Thanks Anne for these leads. I intend to visit Scotland this coming August, spending some time at Cairnie then on the coast at Sandend staying in cottages very close to where my forebears lived and worked, so a visit to the Library at Keith and to the Heritage Centre at Elgin are musts. Browsing the library cataloque on the Moray website has shown some other reference books which might be of interest to me. Thanks again. regards George On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Anne Burgess <anne.listmail@btinternet.com>wrote: > A couple of possible avenues to pursue. > > One is that the Roll of Graduates of the University of Aberdeen normally > lists the name of a graduate's father, so if your George and Alexander did > graduate from there, you might get their father's name. > > The other is a book, 'Banffshire Schools and Schoolmasters' which might > mention Maggieknockater. > > There are copies of both in various libraries including the Moray Local > Heritage Centre in Elgin > http://www.moray.gov.uk/LocalHeritage/Assets/html_pages/morayheritage.html > > HTH > > Anne > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- George Brander Torre de la Horadada España

HiIs anyone else researching the Falconer(Fawkner) family: George Falconer married Margaret Leal and ha several children: John, Ann, Margaret, Elizabeth, George and JeanThanksLiz __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/

A couple of possible avenues to pursue. One is that the Roll of Graduates of the University of Aberdeen normally lists the name of a graduate's father, so if your George and Alexander did graduate from there, you might get their father's name. The other is a book, 'Banffshire Schools and Schoolmasters' which might mention Maggieknockater. There are copies of both in various libraries including the Moray Local Heritage Centre in Elgin http://www.moray.gov.uk/LocalHeritage/Assets/html_pages/morayheritage.html HTH Anne

Hi George While browsing through familysearch, I came across an earlier marriage record for a couple in Boharm (but this record lists Boharm as in Moray rather than Banff). They may be related to your RIACH family: Alexander RIACH & Jean GORDON married 01 AUG 1765 Boharm, Moray, Scotland Thanks and good luck! Maggie > > Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 15:23:21 +0100 > > From: George Brander <george.brander@gmail.com> > > Subject: [MORAY] Alex and George RIACH > > To: Moray@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: > > <eb9663161003060623h8351ee0k72d7741f412f4cb7@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > > I am trying to find out the parents of Alexander and George Riach > > and any > > siblings and to which branch of the Riach family they belong . It is > > said > > that their father tenanted the farm of Cairnty and his mother was a > > famous > > itinerant preacher. (So famous that I cannot find her!).From what I > > can find > > out Cairnty is in Boharm formerly part of Dundurcas parish. > > > > In 1829 Alex Riach was appointed assistant schoolmaster at Keith > > when James > > Smith became parish schoolmaster at the Tolbooth School. Prior to > > this both > > Alex Riach and his brother George are said to have taught in a private > > school in Aberdeen. Alex was not popular at Keith and left for Banff > > Academy > > from where he went abroad to be the minister in a church in the > > British > > colony of Berbice which became part of British Guiana. According to > > the > > Fasti Ecclesiae Scotanicae he was appointed to St Clements, Berbice > > in 13 > > March 1849 and died 19 April 1855 at New Amsterdam, Berbice. His > > wife Mary > > had died a few weeks earlier on 16 March 1855. > > > > I think I have found both brothers on the Roll of Alumni in Arts of > > the > > University and King?s College, Aberdeen. George appears in the section > > 1818-1822 as having been a first year student, and then in 1819-1823 > > as a > > second, third and fourth year student. Alex appears 1819-1823 doing > > these > > four years. > > > > My next trace of Alex is in the 1841 census where he is at > > Maggyknockater, > > Boharm a teacher age 55 born outside census county. Maggyknockater > > is in the > > bit of Banffshire Boharm . The Cairnty part of Boharm was formerly > > part of > > Dundurcas parish in Moray so if he was born Cairnty or thereabouts > > it would > > be out of the census county of Banffshire. It doesn?t help that the > > Boharm > > (including the Banffshire portions) are found on the census films > > for Moray. > > > > I cannot find any trace in Scotland of brother George. There is a > > George > > Riach appears on the 1852 Canadian census age 60 but I have no further > > details except that he was a member of the Kirk of Scotland. > > > > One of the challenges in tracing the Riachs is that the name appears > > in a > > variety of spellings. Reich, Reach, Reiach and Reaich being some of > > the more > > popular variations. However if any of the above information rings > > any bells > > with folk who have connections with Riachs from Rothes, Boharm, > > Keith etc. I > > would be grateful. > > regards > > George > > -- > > George Brander > > Torre de la Horadada > > Espa?a > > > > ************************************ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712959

Hi everyone! I have some RIACH's in my tree as well. They were mostly from Keith. Here are a few, let me know if any of you may be related: Charles RIACH, born c.1684 Of Haughs, Keith, Banff. He married Margaret MILNE (also of Keith), daughter of John & Margaret (MATHESON) MILNE on 2 January 1707 in Keith, Banff. Charles & Margaret (MILNE) RIACH had (at least) the following children (and very possibly more): 1. Jean RIACH, born c.1710 Of Haughs, Keith, Banff. 2. Alexander RIACH, born c.1713 at Edindaich, Keith, Banff.*** Alexander RIACH, born c.1713 Of Edindaich, Keith, Banff (baptised 29 March 1713). He married Margaret BENNETT (born c.1733 in Keith), daughter of John & Anne (FERGUSON) BENNETT on 4 April 1764 in Keith, Banff. I'm thinking that this was likely a second marriage since he was older at the time of the marriage, but I have yet to find a record for an earlier marriage. Alexander & Margaret (BENNETT) RIACH had (at least) the following children (and very possibly more): 1. Elspet (Elizabeth) RIACH, born c.1765 at Keith, Banff.*** 2. Alexander RIACH, born c.1768 at Keith, Banff. Elspet (Elizabeth) RIACH, born c.1765 at Keith, Banff (baptised 29 May 1765). She married James SKINNER (born c.1757 at Keith), son of James & Beatrix or Elizabeth (MORRISON) SKINNER on 21 December 1790 in Keith, Banff. James & Elspet/Elizabeth (RIACH) SKINNER had (at least) the following children (and very possibly more): 1. Alexander SKINNER, born c.1791 at Keith. 2. Katharine SKINNER, born c.1794 at Keith (married George M(a)cHattie). 3. Elizabeth SKINNER, born c.1796 at Keith. 4. Helen SKINNER, born c.1798 at Keith. 5. Peter SKINNER, born c.1801 at Keith. Thanks! Maggie Barron > Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 10:15:53 +0000 > From: g.bell@which.net > To: moray@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MORAY] Alex and George RIACH > > Christopher Ridings wrote: > > > My children are descended from Margaret RIACH, b 7 May 1727, > > Botrephiric, Banffshire, who married Patrick TAYLOR, bapt 29 Apr 1725, > > Rathven, Keith, sometime before 1744. > > Margaret was the daughter of Janet (n BREMNER) & William RIACH. > > > > Does this ring any bells? > > > Nothing jangling, I'm afraid - but I would be fairly sure that: > > (a) Margaret Keith's birthplace was not "Botrephiric" but the parish of > Botriphnie. > > (b) Patrick Taylor was not baptised in "Rathven, Keith" because these > are two quite separate parishes. > > You will find information on the names, locations and chief archival > records on all Banffshire parishes, and an extensive gazetteer of > placenames in each parish, at: > > http://www.abdnet.co.uk/genuki/BAN/index.html > > > Gavin Bell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ IM on the go with Messenger on your phone http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712960

Christopher Ridings wrote: > My children are descended from Margaret RIACH, b 7 May 1727, > Botrephiric, Banffshire, who married Patrick TAYLOR, bapt 29 Apr 1725, > Rathven, Keith, sometime before 1744. > Margaret was the daughter of Janet (n BREMNER) & William RIACH. > > Does this ring any bells? Nothing jangling, I'm afraid - but I would be fairly sure that: (a) Margaret Keith's birthplace was not "Botrephiric" but the parish of Botriphnie. (b) Patrick Taylor was not baptised in "Rathven, Keith" because these are two quite separate parishes. You will find information on the names, locations and chief archival records on all Banffshire parishes, and an extensive gazetteer of placenames in each parish, at: http://www.abdnet.co.uk/genuki/BAN/index.html Gavin Bell

It simply means that she had "no profession or employment". -- Jo-Ann -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Sherry" <wiccanpt2@netzero.net> > In the 1841 Census for Nairn, Nairnshire, an Elizabeth Lamb is listed in the > Nairn jail with “no prof occupation”. Does this wording allude to the fact > that she had a shady occupation (professional) or that she had no "proof" of > employment? Remember....the only stupid question is the one that is never asked